You're actually right, I had 3D World on the brain. It was actually even BETTER in those other NSMB games because things like the star coins just unlocked optional content and you could always play the next level no matter what.
It was not better in those other NSMB games. Also star coins did not unlock optional content and no you can always place the next level in this game too
@@firestriker3580 The star coins did unlock extra contend, In New Super Mario Bros DS, and 2 they unlock signs that give you different paths and extra levels. In New Super Mario Bros Wii/U/Luigi U collecting all the star coins in a world unlocked another stage in the 9th world.
@@firestriker3580 Star Coins always unlocked optional content, whether that be alternate levels and Toad Houses (by rooting up Star Coin Signs and creating new paths on the world map) or extra-challenging post-game levels (in World 9).
Counterpoint: If you want each character to have unique abilities, you can just equip the appropriate badges. Or, alternatively, for players who don’t want that, they can just not do this. In other words, optionality! Just like you wanted!
Would be great if you could 1. Have multiple badges on a character at once. 2. Not play with a gimped Yoshi (or nabbit for that matter) and 3. Have different players in co op choose what badges they want, because right now everyone shares one badge. Yea, that'd be great!
@@xaviermakesart I will fully admit that this game did fumble the ball when it comes to multiplayer. But, speaking as someone who only plays single-player, it doesn’t affect me at all. :P
@@GoldenSandslash15 I respect that. For me, even for single player, I'd love more customizable options for the characters and for Yoshi to be normal even MORE so.
Yoshi was not gimped. And nabbit was not bad. Also there were different players in co-op that can choose badges that they want. And everyone does not share 1 badge
Not liking the Godfather is a matter of opinion. This game objectively blows. It looks nice, but plays the worst out of any 2D Mario and is filled with tons of challengeless fluff.
@@WalterFoog-fn7hi and that my friend is the nail in the coffin. I'd say being like "I won't come back to this game" is one of the worst things you can say about a game
@@andersonsansonowski5644 but that set up is an issue for multiplayer since all players share the same badge. It also doesn't solve the problem of Yoshi and nabbit being stuck to baby mode.
@@xaviermakesart that multiplayer part probrably sucks but the problem with the yoshis and nabbit could be easily fixed by simply getting them hit without punishment instead of NOT taking hits or even nerfing their stats
@@andersonsansonowski5644 right now Yoshi does get hit without punishment it's Nabbit who just isn't affected by enemies. But I hear you there's a million better ways they could've chosen to do this
@@xaviermakesart This reminded me of a story: I was in best buy just playing a demo of mario wonder I played the game in multiplayer so the others in the line could play, a very young kid played as yoshi and he was playing the game much better and it wold have been so annoying if we had to save him every time he got hit, so I now understand why they did it like this
@@andersonsansonowski5644 yea but why not just the features of Yoshi be another badge a kid like that could put on so they can use any character and not die? What if that kid wanted to be Peach?
I think a lot of issues you mentioned are valid, altough there are some things that didn't click with me. Firstly, (this is my personal opinion) tying characters with abilities is worse compared to the badge system. It makes the characters unique but this system allows players to choose both their character and their ability. (but the badge system could definitely be reworked.) To put it in another way, If my favorite character is Luigi, I can't glide. 06:04 I don't understand the problem with Wonder Seeds and them being progression keys. They give players a reason to explore more. It doesn't matter if it's a Green Star or a Wonder Seed as long as it serves its purpose as a collectible. 06:13 Does this mean every platformer Mario game that has progression keys is the same game? 09:50 This game is much more than a reskinned Mario Bros Wii. It adds so many new enemies, new locations, a (slightly) different story, new gameplay mechanics, new powerups and cool level design. I am not saying this is the best Mario game in the franchise, but it certainly doesn't suck.
It's not that the wonder seeds or flower coins are a problem, I even say they're fine. I'm mainly trying to stress that compared to the last 2D Mario this game is not ALL that different or innovative, at least to me. I could take the characters being a blank slate but having about 3 slots to add whatever badge you want. Then your fav Luigi could glide. Thatd be better than what we have Enemies in Mario games are never of any consequence in my opinion. I'd even say the same for Sonic. And having the wonder seeds as progression is fine too, just pointing out how again, this game is not wildly different to what came before, as a lot of reviews will claim it is.
@@xaviermakesart I guess you are right about the collectibles, but wonder seeds are at least slightly different as they make the Wonder sections of the game more rewarding. Without them, there is no goal and the effect would end abruptly. You are also completely right about the badges being limited, but this doesn't make the system THAT bad. Badges are easy to change and I guess it adds a bit of importance to your badge selection. To be honest, yes, Wonder isn't vastly different as you said, but it doesn't make the game worse because it is similar to its predecessors, as there are still things that make this game unique, in my opinion.
@@Tea-zv7jv i feel like I gotta call it worse because not only does this game take steps forward that I think hurt 2d Mario as a whole, it also has way less content than a lot of the other 2D Mario's. I played this one once, and there just isn't a reason to go back to it :/
@@UltraMarioBrothers I really wanna hear this one. What replay value do we have in this game compared to other Mario's? Are you still playing this game?
@@xaviermakesart it’s unique, the wonder flower abilities make me want to explore the game more, try out different badges, try to 100% the game, and to have fun with my friends. It’s fun to play this game multiplayer and single player which gives it its charm. There’s 1 bad part about the game and it’s the bosses.
@@UltraMarioBrothers I can't tell you that doesn't work for you but man it does not work for me. Luckily I still have plenty of other Mario games I can enjoy
Yeah, I was kind of pissed about the score and the timer not being there. Some other person who actually scolded the games for HAVING the time in there because they can't explore the level as well as they want to. They're levels that go from left to right, and very rarely offer any linear paths in them. What do you expect? Also, I guess that person wasn't a fan of challenges. A lot of the issues I agree with, but I think the most annoying problem to me was the length of the game itself. I have Sonic Superstars as well, and I'm enjoying the hell out of that game.
@@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate hell yea I'll always appreciate some Sonic Superstars love in this comment section. Timer is important and the score is important. This game took its on replay value out back and shot it, I don't see anyone in these comments mentioning how they still play Wonder in 2024 after 100%ing it at launch
@@xaviermakesart I didn't even 100% complete Wonder, but I don't see myself going back to it, honestly. I've been playing Sonic Superstars, Paper Mario TTYD on the Switch, and I even go back to Super Luigi U as well. I like challenges because I like to learn from my mistakes whenever I make any, and it's also better to adapt instead of having your hand held all the time. So I agree with you, man. It's like another case of style over substance instead of having an equal balance.
@@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate you hold on to that perspective. Youre one of the lucky ones my friend. The video on Sonic 1 / Sonic's foundational gameplay is this months video so be sure to subscribe so you don't miss it 👍🏿
I think super Mario bros wonder is a pretty great game but this video is one of the only negative reviews that actually make sense because it pointed out lots of stuff that was wrong that I didn’t even think of looking at before. Noice video!
This video also helped me finally realized why i even prefered nsmbu over wonder. Yea its not perfect compared to it but it still had elemants that made it enjoyable and didnt rely on hardcore fans of the mario community. It and the other new soup series were all just simple 2D platformers with lots of replayabilities. Only collectables you would have to collect were star coins. that was it, and i personally loved the star coins.
@@jonathanwade3882 something else to consider in the whole star coin / flower coin debate is that in Wonder if you touch a coin, even if you die after,you still get it. In NSMB you have to actually find a way to get the coin safely. It's a little thing I prefer how nsmb did it. Thanks for watching!
This game was over hyped and i was really excited about playing a new side scrolling game cause i prefer them over open world mario games. 1. It's way to easy including the final boss and stages 2. Barley an power ups like a blue shell and gigantic mushroom. Also the elephant power up is just a worse version of racoon Mario. 3. Soundtrack is ass besides Bowser's theme 4. Way to short ( passed it in two days) 5. Plot is stupid 🤦 6. Not worth 100 percenting 7. Very few enemies 8. No mini games and local vs mode like in NSMB Conclusion It was a waste of $60 and NSMB 2 and 3D Land is the best hands down I really need to start looking into games more carefully before i buy them cause the same thing happened when I buyed the Skywalker Saga ☹️
@@jaredporter2228 great comment, I feel you. It's interesting, the soundtrack really is pretty forgettable outside of that level with the singing enemies.
I'm actually glad that Wonders is not just a glorified "New" Super Mario Bros again from the DS up to Wii U/Switch. From art Direction to gameplay, Wonders gave a new breath on 2D side scrolling Mario.. If im going to rank this, it's on #2 on my list as the Best 2D Super Mario Bros next to my all time favorite Super Mario Bros 3.
@@jptizon22 that's high praise, but do you really think you can go back to this 2d Mario as much as something like a Mario 3? Idk man, if you really feel that way that's reeeeeal high praise
@@xaviermakesartas i love the original Super Mario Bros (my #3) that revolutionized the video games it will not hold up today unlike SMB3. i Put above Wonders against "New" SMB because that series doesn't change since it's original release on the DS, maybe it has more complex platform but Wonders is a complete reinvention and modern take of a 2D SMB since the Original SMB on NES/Famicom. I think the next series will also be Brandnew experience and i love that kind of route to this series after the stagnant of "New" SMB. i do understand some of your points but Wonders doesn't sucks and it's actually one the best entry in the series just don't compare it to other games like Sonic, it's a different story and way different type of gameplay.
@@jptizon22 I personally feel like the only thing in this game moving the series forward is the badge system, they could really flesh that out in the future, but for the rest of it I feel like it's just typical 2d Mario and the replay value has been gutted from it for me
first of all, I agree with some of the points you’re making but to say that wonder is a bad game is very incorrect. It’s only been out for a few months and people are already saying oh this game is so bad. like chill and also, I know people have their own opinions when it comes to games and other stuff but they say that Mario wonder is bad is a Huge understatement of course you have your opinions and I have mine and I’ll say it again to say that Mario wonder is a bad game and it is a very ridiculous understatement. This is just my opinion btw could they have done better on the game absolutely but they did what some of the people wanted and that’s a change to 2d Mario Also, in my opinion, sonic superstars is a very mid game. I mean it’s not terrible but you’re praising it like it’s better💀
Sonic superstars is great and does more for 2D sonic than this game does for 2D Mario. It also has plenty of replay value with an extra hard mode campaign with a secret 5th character and a full fledged time attack mode. But also one of the first things I say at the very beginning of this video is "What do you do with a game that isn't bad on paper?" It's not a bad game, as I say many times. That doesnt mean I dont think it sucks. Ive been playing Mario for over 30 years and this isn't what I want from the series going forward, it to abandon so much of its arcade style design and replay value. You can be technically impressive and still suck. I'd say the same thing about a game like GoW 2018. Beautiful game, great art direction, great performances, terrible action game. Anyway, still I thank you for watching my video
I'm not sure why RU-vid won't show me your other comment so I will respond here: Its not me turning on the game. I'm a new channel and this is my first time speaking on the game, I always play these games with my fiancé and we both felt this one was really lacking compared to the older ones we still play regularly. Yes, the game is new, and since the game is new I SHOULD still be playing it. If it didnt make the design decisions I point out in the video I WOULD still be playing it. I'd be going for high scores, faster times, runs with different characters, stuff like that. But, I can't, because the game decided my clear time didnt matter and won't track it, my score doesnt matter and won't track it, and that all the characters should be the same, so why pick a different character to play the game again. Outside of allllllll that, the wonder effects are neat, but like I say in the video they aren't lighting my world on fire. They dont change the basic platforming THAT much, and to me they are just way more visually interesting than they are to actually play. I didnt see a single Wonder effect where I was like "OH MAN I wanna experience that AGAIN" I am harsh on this game because Mario is the Platformer golden boy, and I do not want other platformers to look at this game and be like "Well....Mario dropped a timer and score, so lets do that too" I hope all that made sense, and again thanks for watching, and the sub!
@@silverthefox5363 hasn't Kirby not had a traditional 2d platformer in quite some time? The last I played was forgotten land so I may be mistaken. As for indies, there's literally zero on my radar. Metroidvania sure, but traditional 2d platformers? With traditional level by level progression? What games come to mind?
@@xaviermakesartactually no Forgotten Land is the only main line 3D game. All of the other ones including Return to Dreamland DX from last year are either 2D or 2.5D.
@@king-of-a-thing well in that case props to Kirby for holding it down. But Kirby to me always felt almost like a "game for gaming beginners" . I don't recall time attack or score attack gameplay being a thing in that series but I could be wrong
Yeah because the criticism was usually not good. Also the fact that this game is still love almost a year ago and still up to this day should tell you something
@@xaviermakesart I didn't play Mario Wonder but I'll definitely give it a try. I'm way more casual than I used to honestly so even if the game is shit if I have fun it's good for me
Agree with some points and disagree with others the thing I disagree most with is the removal of the timer being a bad thing. It’s not sonic it’s Mario. I want to take my time in Mario and not be rushed and the timer did exactly that if I want to play a game that encourages speed influence than I’ll play sonic. Removal of the timer was the best change for me. Overall I do think your being too harsh and I would say I think I would rather play new ds or u over wonder but I would definitely rather play wonder over new Wii and new 2. Great video even if I don’t fully agree with you.
Was not born until 2002 and first 2D mario I played was land 2 later when back and played 3 and world through the all stars collection on wii. I just dont think the timer fits mario as mario is not about going on fast as possible and beating the level quickly thats just how i feel. Wonder worse than new and new wii but better than new 2 and new u. Also have you heard of newer wii and ds mods as I think they are better than the official new wii and ds as they are far more creative plus hammer suit.
While i disagree with most of your opinions, one thing i can say that i don’t like about the game is the talking flowers. They say nothing interesting. All they say is, ‘hi there!’’ Or, ‘’that was something!’’ Can they say something original?
The talking flowers are not a problem. Also none of the Mario characters are saying anything interesting either and yet they're still good characters so why should the flowers talk.
Me and my friends have different play styles and it bummed me out when everyone shares the same badge. I like using the skills to their advantage. My friends like to take it slow, and explore every nook and cranny. The camera might’ve been the biggest turn off for me. I like to run through levels (kind of a habit I picked up from classic sonic) and it leads me to dying a lot. This means someone else gets control and it throws me off every time. Idk might just be me being impatient.
For me I was just thrilled to see Nintendo doing something other than a sandbox. Mario, Zelda and Pokémon had all been going that route and it was just nice to get a solid 2D platformer again. I don’t think the game is bad at all, but I don’t think it’s better or worse than the “New” games. Mixed on the character thing. I think having them all the same would have worked better for 3D World. Peach is so slow in that game that she’s not fun to play as, but in 2D it wouldn’t be a huge deal.
@@thelastwindwaker7948 as far as 2D Mario goes though this game is very open, that philosophy is still here. You can go to whatever world you want whenever you want. I get what you mean though. Like I say at the start the games not "bad" but all the praise around it seemed really shallow. Like people saw some color and just lost their minds. For the characters I could take unique characters or I could take badge loadouts separate for each character. What we got right now is the worst option I think.
this intro of this whole thing has to be bait 3:32 one thing i got to clarify, the idea of badges existed because devs wanted players to have any ability regardless of character (as evidenced by interviews and by the fact physics that are altered by badges can be changed per character or might just be a consequence of the framework being very flexible), however i do understand your sentiment, and i kinda feel like having nabbit and yoshi with their abilities is a bit ironic, even if they're supposed to be easy mode anyway 4:30 yoshis have the same issue as toads, where the only difference are colors, and should've been turned into a single character, just with alts system like you said, which would bring classic toad back too 7:07 if i'm being very honest, i'm glad that they didn't bring timer back, since it the player set their own pace, timer is just a game design piece that is inherited from the arcade era to make it a viable business, and doesn't make sense outside of optional challenges and postgame stuff, so timers could be implemented in stuff such as badge challenges, or heck maybe instead they should've implemented a time attack, akin to the sonic games, tough, if you wanna challenge yourself in terms of speed, just use a speedrunner counter however i do agree with score since that adds replayability 8:30 i feel like they should've given multiple options for player interaction like, no interactions, nsmbwii style interactions and friendly fire, sometimes interactions can be annoying but sometimes they can be fun 9:05 at this point, everyone should just adopt split screening 9:34 i feel like wonder did some steps in terms of options (it lets you mute talking flowers for example, and more) but we ain't just there yet
@@ssg-eggunner great comment, but regarding the timer that's not all it was for. The timer was a mechanic that worked with the score mechanic and incentivized the player to replay stages faster while collecting as much as possible. Without a timer and score, the incentive is gone, and at least for me, the replay value is gone
@@xaviermakesart then the ideal solution would be to adopt crash style time attacks but instead of just rewards like crash's crystals, the game would calculate your score relative to the highest time value and convert it to score, so on that way it'd simulate that same downward timer system without having to kill the player
@@xaviermakesartwell to me it does take replay value out but the time just puts more pressure on the player itself including my self especially when I play NSMB I never come back to it because of the timer pressure so u can’t really explore level and find secrets because u have to replace a level and I found that not really fun at all especially the low visibility level and underwater levels.
@@mk8-mkwil117 what's interesting is you are describing a sort of "I'm gonna play this level ONE time and one time only so I don't wanna be rushed through it " mindset Back in my day, we would actually replay stages! And games as a whole!
It's the most fun I've had with a 2D Mario my entire life. I true 100%ed the game and had a blast. Even with all that said I respect your opinion and you have every right to voice it. Peace✌🏼
@@xaviermakesart I actually bought and fully beat the game just a few months ago. As for 100% completing it again, I rarely do that with games in general. I don't have a lot of free time so I prefer playing new titles over replaying old ones.
I agree with most of the points. I find it disappointing that they tried to make the game more suiting for a younger audience, ignoring the millions of fans that are more experienced.
You've summed up every single mainline Mario game for the past 20 years, congratulations. They didn't change with Wonder, they just made it more of an experience instead of New Soup clone number 5
@@woobgamer5210 I think Mario U actually struck a good balance of content for all ages, those classic game elements like score attack, and content with all the special worlds. 3D world too actually, even though that one isn't 2D Mario I suppose
I mean kids have been the target audience for years ever since the first game on the NES tho i do don't like that nintendo made yoshi a baby mode character
@@user-hk8sd5pz8o I feel like Mario's appeal has always been a game everyone can play not just kids. A series for kids I feel like are the Yoshi branded games, or even most Kirby games.
@@xaviermakesart yeah while that is true Kirby can get dark and messed up sometimes like the zero 2 boss from crystal shards and don't get me started on Kirby lore
Look.. sonic isn't a rival of Mario but, they are sometimes boring like.. everytime I play Mario galaxy it just doesn't click man I hope sega gets better I really see potential in sonic (and yes i still have ptsd from forces)
@@duck6811 they're definitely still rivals, as far as I can tell they're the two oldest remaining 2D platformers out here and they both still have massive fan bases and clout in the industry. Mario's games do better but Sonic has had more success with multimedia. Although the Mario movie did make gangbusters that's for sure
When I saw the reveal for the game, I thought it looked pretty good, but that it was essentially just NSMB again but with a few more twists. I think if the game didn't LOOK different, waaaaaaay more people would have compared the two and complained even harder. Also, my issue with the Wonder Flowers is... why would you NOT want to collect them? Who'd want to play through a stage normally when they could play through it in a way more interesting manner? Why not just design all stages like that in the first place? It's like if Super Mario Odyssey gave you the option to never use captures. That's the main gimmick!!!
@@GermanPeter that's a good point. Partly the wonder flower is something you need to find in the level from exploring, but other times it's just right there in plan view.
Personally I liked the level design more in NSMBU. I feel like Wonder, while flashy and cool looking, is a little too brain dead easy and is too light on content. IMO each level should have a time trial, and there should be a challenge mode that makes use of the badges similar to NSMBU. Wonder is good, but I hope this isn’t the direction they keep taking 2D Mario. 2D Mario can be a lot more than a breezy 8 hour experience with little replay value.
See this guy gets it. Imagine a secret world where each badge had 3 special levels that were all about it and used them in creative ways. Thatd be pretty sick. What hurts the most is the lack of a timer and score though, at least for me
@@xaviermakesart I saw a lot of people saying "Yay the timer's gone" thinking it was just some stupid leftover relic of the arcades that they somehow forgot to remove for every single game until Wonder or some crap (except they DID remove it in Yoshi's Island and specifically spoke about why in interviews, meaning they were aware of it and intentionally added it back in for later games, and that counts because Yoshi's Island was indeed developed with the intention of being the next installment in 2D Mario, that "Super Mario World 2" title was not a mere marketing thing like RU-vidrs like to baselessly parrot, but I'd be here forever if I went into the details supporting my claim here), and were saying things like "imagine defending the timer, how could you defend that?" And I always felt like these people simply don't understand the purpose of why the timer is there in the first place, it's there for a reason (and the score relates to that too though I'd say it's less important). But it seems a lot of regular Mario fans don't get it, and just say "timer bad" because it "just gets in the way of exploring the levels," when...maybe exploring the levels isn't the only point and objective of the game? I mean it certainly wasn't in Mario 1 because there was barely any exploration to do there in the first place. They miss a whole second component of 2D Mario beyond mere exploration.
@@legoboy7107 keep in mind that games must have 3 important pillars of game design competence, autonomy, and relatedness when you take something like a timer and turn it into an optional challenge, you leave the option to play the game by blasting through everything or by exploring, making the autonomy aspect stronger autonomy is something mario had in many games, hence why challenges such "beat the game without collecting coins" for example, are come up with and increases replayability further on the same way "beat the game as fast as you can" does, even if those goals aren't the point heck, taking time is not just for cautious platforming, and exploring, theorically i could use all the time to defeat every single enemy possible and every brick possible (which would've been nicer with a score counter) as xaviermakesart said in the video "give us options" so instead of getting rid of time challenges altogether or forcing it in, give players the option to do time trial challenges akin to the crash bandicoot games and if i'm being very honest, downward timers only work in arcade, it doesn't have to be old and new
Gotta love how whenever something new/modern is popular or trending, there'll always be that one killjoy on RU-vid making a video with a rage-bait title all like "aCtUaLy iT sUckS"
I get were your getting at but, you been giving away some events that your a die heart sonic fan. And you should that this is basically a game for all ages from 6 to 60 year Olds. But hey if you didn't like it, don't play it then.
Very fair, and you're right. I'm not playing it anymore. I normally play all these 2D Mario's with my fiance in co op and this one just did not hit for either of us. Thanks for watching the video!
Thanks for being respectful to me. But if you didn't like the game was it really that necessary to say it sucks, even though we both know a lot of other people don't think that, because that's a bit much to me.
@@tuckerbass2196 well that's the thing, this life has room for all kinds. There are plenty of people glazing this game on RU-vid but I just think this game deserves way more criticism and I want to see Nintendo do better than this for 2D Mario. Both him and Sonic need to lead by example in this space. If Sonic drops a new game with no timer you'd bet I'd give him even harsher criticism! He's gotta go fast, after all. This game isn't bad, but to me, it's just not too good either. There's something pivotal missing and it needed more content / replay value.
Wonder was going to be named “Super Mario Bros 4” which i found disrespectful to Super Mario World. SM World is better than Wonder but you saying this game sucks? You just trying to rage bait views and comments. You know this is a good mario 2d platformer, but its definitely not the best. You know deep down this is a great game
And a lot of your points are dumb and something a lot of people would never even think of while playing. Maybe it just took you a year to come up with stuff to hate about this game 💀 the main issue is boss battles but otherwise this game is just fine 🤣
Ya gotta play the algorithm game. But yea I even say at the beginning the game isn't bad on paper. For me though, I'm really glad they didn't call this Mario 4 if that's true. For me this game is super disappointing.
Wait, they were planning to call this Mario 4? Is that real? You not confusing it with Super Mario World? Because Super Mario World was going to be called "Super Mario Bros. 4" (I think it even was to some extent in Japan), that's a well known fact, and that was the same guys at the head (and lesser known fact, Yoshi's Island was Super Mario Bros. 5 in development). If they were thinking of calling THIS Super Mario Bros. 4 too, that would be REALLY bizarre and weird and make no sense.
Just stumbled upon your video and really enjoyed. Your critique for options is valid like hell! However you seem to completely skip over strengths of the game! I dont know if its fair to call your video a review! Its just a criticism video which is totally fine but then dont put the word review in the title!
Thanks I appreciate it. I'm curious what good parts of the game I glossed over? Story is par for the course, I mentioned the game looks great and even in the intro I flat out say it's not a bad game at all. I just have my personal gripes with it and would like a few more gameplay options.
@@xaviermakesart Probably the entire gimmick of the game, the Wonder segments? Those are so inventive and creative, and enrich the experience instead of just being 'New Soup Clone Number 5'
@@woobgamer5210 like I said in the review, they're more visually interesting than they are to actually play. Half the time your platforming isn't changed all that much, and I don't think every single wonder segment is a home run either.
i convinced this is clickbait so this man can become the biggest meat rider that people hate but still giving him money...... also I'll come up with a counterclaim later
I played mario wonder with my father and i found it more fun than any other Mario multiplayer. The nsmb game make it a chore to play together when it should be a fun cooperative experience not one of anger. The anger in games should come from competition, and 2d mario is not a game of competition its a game of getting to the end. Competition in 2d mario games only happen on time based mesuments like speedrunning. This can not exist when you are with another person. You need your partner as a means to an end. Also i find different players having different abilities is not a great idea. It means they would have to make different level design for different characters. Therefore making the single player not as fun because you would have to play the same level multiple time's even if you did not like the level because they would have to make the playeble characters abilities have a point. This game does fail on that also because there is no point to using the badge's anyway but if you locked them behind characters they would matter less. Also it would make picking a character less fun because for instance you want to play as luigi because you like his character design the best but you like the moves of Yoshi the best then that would be a tough decision. I find the game already does have this problem but locking the moves based on characterwould make it worse. This game is not as good as mario world but it fixes a lot of the problems with nsmb. I also disagree with your point with how the game is not fun to come back to because why does a game have to be fun forever. Why can't a game be a one and done. Yes a game that is just shock value is not fun but most games are not fun the second time around because they are impactful. This is a thing with movies and books too. How do you see it as possible to create something that is impactful every time you play it or watch it or read it. It has never been done. Would you want something old that of course will get old faster or something new that will get old later. This fundamentally is not nsmb switch because it has a completely different new structure it cant be compared to anything. It isn't just more of the same and can be improved with the next 2d mario game. While sonic superstars cant really be improved without adding more stuff. Thats why i dont compare mario wonder to sonic superstars because they are doing two different strategies because they are it two different problems. Mario has not had a interesting 2d mario in a while so the make mario Wonder. Sonic has not had a original 2d sonic game in a while so the make sonic superstars. Also no one plays for score its doesn't do anything.
@@sonarabit you said a lot here but I wanna focus in on "why should a game not be a one and done" First thanks for watching tho! But for me, video games are a step above a movie or a book because they are interactive, they don't have to play out the same way every time. It's not to say that a video game that is one and done should never exist, some games I really enjoy are that way, but considering the Mario series never had this problem before, and considering the Mario series is the industry leader in this genre, the game exhibits things that I would be very upset if other platformers copied from it. One more thing, I don't think there's anything wrong with friends competing for score during multiplayer sessions. 3D world does this very well, tracking each players individual score and giving a crown to the winner. It was a really cool system and something I am upset to see the Mario series walk backwards on. Mario is the golden boy, so pretty much I want these devs to make all the best decisions to put being a great video game that stands the test of time above all else. This game has already soured.
@@xaviermakesart this is a interesting point. I just think yes I too wish the game was replayable but if I want to replay a game I will go play Mario world I don't need a game to be replayable when I already could replay so much. I don't think of this as the true sequel to the old 2d Mario games but does it have to be. Does 2d Mario have to be one thing why can't it be a shooter or a puzzle game just with the premise of it being a new 2d Mario game. A sequel should build off of the last but this is not super Mario bros 5 it's Mario wonder. Maybe you make a good point because people are saying it's the next good 2d Mario game after Mario world. But I don't because they are two different things to me. So to get to the point of score I think it's useless because you don't get anything from it to have something in the actual game then I believe a game like Mario that is mainly a single player game should have a carrot at the end of the stick. Like it may be fun for multiplayer but it's useless in single player. You would need the score to serve a purpose to have it be useful. Because skill should not be a number it should have more thought put into it like you know actual game play. Like the one game I can point to is sonic adventure 2 you get a rank based on score and if you do them all you get a secret level. You can make a carrot at the end of the stick yourself with things like who can get the best time or the best score but I don't think it helps a lot with the game itself if you just want to play single player. But you know what I have realized you are sort of right in one aspect. It's the toggle idea. While I wish the game would have a skill test that gets you more gameplay for every aspect. I think if it was something that was just a toggle than why should I care as much. It may be useless but why do I have to care if I can turn it off.
@@sonarabit you're touching on a point I'm gonna cover in a future video so I won't say all my thoughts here but I think you're absolutely right that both Mario and Sonic should offer more in game incentives for players to shoot for high scores or low times. Sonic adventure 2 is a great example and I can guarantee a lot of people engaged with more content in that game for way longer because of a ranking system. Whenever I see a ranking system in a game I get excited because immediately I'm like "oh so naturally I'll wanna try this again later" Good chat, but subscribe so you don't miss the future video on that! I got a lot to say to these devs lol
If we wanna really fix the system, there should be in-game rewards tied to beating stages quickly or with high scores, just like how right now there are rewards for exploring all of a stage
sounds like ur nitpicking about details that make the game different from its predecessor, its not supposed to be another nsmb then you complain about the things that make it different.
The things that make it different are better than what we have before and you are making over exaggerated points because you cannot admit the fact that super Mario brothers wonder does not suck and is actually the greatest 2D Mario game to ever exist, in fact it could be even the greatest Mario game to ever exist. Also again the things that make it different are better than what we have before it's even close and way above above it
He isn't picking and always will, he made a video about how sonic was always amazing when he wasn't, half if not a good massive trunk of the sonic fan base are bad, the others are good but a large chunk of the sonic fan base are terrible, I would say about 60% of the sonic fan base are bad while the others are good to okay
As soon as I saw the title I clicked on... I purchased Mario Wonder about a week after it was released. Completed it in about 3 days. Another 2 days to 95 percent completion. Didn't get to 100 percent though... this is very difficult to describe but the game is good but it sucked exactly like the title of this video says... 1st of all it's waaaaaay too short. 2nd it's waaaaay too easy.next ....the elephant sucks. Last...it feels like this game could have been on the Wii. It feels dated .Mario Odyssey is waaaaay better .
The first "sane" person I've seen who actually likes the timer, when there are SO many platformers, 2D or 3D, that didn't have a timer unless it was a time attack mode. Crash Bandicoot Warped did this in 1998.
It's great you bring this up because I'm gonna be bringing up Crash in a future video where I reprimand both Mario and Sonic in this regard. Crash has a separate time attack for every stage with times SET by the devs. The devs went in and made challenging times to push the player and they also tied the rewards from those challenges to the 100% requirements. It's something they really want players to do. Crash is also a game that doesn't have "score" in the arcade sense so going fast through a stage outside of the time trial is not something the player is incentivized to do. With Mario and Sonic, that's how it's always been from the start, simply because of the era of game they are. Mario removed it here, and I really feel like it was a huge mistake. I appreciate the view!
i feel like that timer with score reward doesn't work really well outside of like specific time challenges because of two things: bricks and enemies considering how mario levels are designed, it's not possible to defeat every enemy or break every brick whilst having all time score so instead of having a goal for completionism on levels, you're left with 3 choices (break and destroy everything, rush through the stage like a speedrunner, or find the inbeetween which is the most ideal, but too hard) it's possible to achieve very high scores, but it's impossible to truly complete and perfect a level
It’s not just games like Crash that have time trial modes, today. It’s a platforming genre staple that’s in most platformer games. So it’s kinda lame that Wonder didn’t bother to include this mode when majority of platformers include this.
This is the Sonic fan that does not want to admit that the Sonic franchise has some of the worst games in general. Trust me I also love Sonic but. There are some airing issues in actual games. Sonic 06. Hint
@@xaviermakesart Without going into specifics there are thousands of games worse than 06. I would wager that 80% of the N64 library is worse than 06, for example.
I agree that the characters could be handled better. I like the use of customizable badges, but when in multiplayer everyone is forced to use the same one, it loses a lot of potential. I also agree that the lack of player interaction is kind of lame, and that the camera doesn't zoom out anymore when players are far apart. I also think they should just get rid of lives like in Odyssey, they don't mean anything anymore, when you lose all of them you lose your checkpoint at worst, what's the deal with that? They only made sense in arcades when extra lives meant you didn't have to invest an extra coin to keep playing just yet. I feel similar about the score and timer, they all make more sense in an arcade where other people are waiting and where you share your core with your friends or whatever, who actually competed for score in a Mario game, like ever? And the timer was always quite forgiving anyway, If you played normally it's hardly noticable, just when you want to explore it says nuh-uh. It's just annoying, not challenging. I do think the unskippable scenes during the game where the characters keep yapping about nothing are stupid and keep me from replaying the game tho, 2D Mario really doesn't need that. (The Sonic glazing is crazy tho, not even the fan-favorite 2D games are all that well designed imo. I love running into a spike appearing within a split-second because I'm not a damn psychic and I'm also forced to run fast because I have to pass one of these loops. Yeah sorry, but there's a reason most Sonic fans grew up with it, they've played it lots because it was all they had as children and now they know all the stage layouts so they're actually allowed to pull off crazy movements. Their nostalgia tells them they have always been fun, but new players are unfairly punished for playing the game and can't get into it. The reason why Mario games are superior is simple: they allow everyone to play at their own pace.)
@@geschnitztekiste4111 firstly thanks for watching. I agree with you on lives for the most part, although it can be nice collecting as many as you can in a game you're really familiar with just as another way to show your growth as a player. As a kid I could barely beat Sonic 1. Now I can beat it with like over 10 lives and a bunch of continues. It's neat. Regarding Sonic, I love that series and there's sooooo much I could say here about what you said but you're just gonna have to wait for the Sonic video for my breakdown on that. I think you'll find it very interesting. Subscribe so you don't miss it! Now, when it comes to the timer and score, both score attack and time attack for Mario games are pretty popular things with community's around them. It's also just straight up replay value. With Wonder as it is right now, I have no reason to play it again. But, if every stage had an optional time trial to complete, and if every stage had my best time and best score saved, you can bet I'd come back and go for fast times or higher scores. For a guy like me it only helps the game live longer and if you've never tried it before, playing for score in Mario is a lot of fun. It gets you to think about the game in a way it sounds like you never have before, so tbh I recommend you give it a try in your 2D Mario of choice. Just not Wonder I suppose 😅
@@xaviermakesart What you said at the end of the video is true, they should make it a toggle. Regarding Sonic again, I don’t want to straight up shit on the series, since there’s cool things about it, the sprites are neat and the music is nice, but the gameplay is just horribly unfun for me. I also can’t imagine how multiplayer is even supposed to work in these games, I tried it out once in Mania, and the other guy kept getting off-screened lol
When Sonic Mania released, loads of non-Sonic fans played it and most of them enjoyed it. There’s a reason it has high scores across the board. Assuming people only enjoy it because they’re nostalgia blind is pretty silly.
I don't even think the art direction is that good. It's still 3D models on 2D tiles, it's just that this time around the tiles look trippier and the 3D model of Mario looks like something out of a mobile game. I really hate how he looks and moves in this game. Trying to emulate the sprite animations on a 3D model just looks gross to me. I really wanted either a real 3D sidescroller, like Kirby 64 or Klanoa, or a hand drawn sidescroller, like Wario Land Shake It or the Shantae games. This game barely looks different from the NSMB games visually, I really don't get the hype behind the art style shift. Disclaimer that I haven't played the game yet so I can only comment on the visuals, but your review here just confirmed what I was afraid of, the gameplay just didn't look like anything special in the trailers and ranged from NSMB to gimmicky NSMB.
Nobody cares about what you think. The art direction is good. It is not 3D models on 2D tiles. Also the tiles look actually greater and more animated in the 3D model Mario does not look anything out of a mobile game. It looks something out of an animated 3D cartoon which is good. Also how we move and looks in this game is not bad...
They're not trying to emulate anything. And recreating sprite animations on a 3D model does not look gross. Nobody wanted a Kirby 64 or Canova or hand drawn size scroller. Those are over used and done. And nobody want a shante game. This game looks vastly different from the NSMB game visually. Also there is a lot of height for the games visuals because it looks great and cartoony and fits the Mario ethecitic.
The fact that you never tried the game just let me know that you have no right to say if this game is bad or not. Also his review did not confirm what you were afraid of. The gameplay did look like everything special for in the trailers and did not rain from NSA to gimme the NSB. It actually rained to a complete vastly different 3D Mario game. Actually it ranged from a great and beautiful 3D2D Mario game so no everything that you say is wrong
@@firestriker3580 Reread my comment. I did not say anything about whether or not the game is good or bad. I only said that I thought the visuals were lacking, which is one of the few things you can judge just fine without playing a game because, well, if you have eyes then you can see the visuals.
@@firestriker3580 Also are you telling me that this game is not clearly 3D models and 2D tiles? You're actually stupid, I don't waste time arguing with stupid people. Sorry you're too insecure about your own enjoyment of this game to understand why someone else might not like the visuals :/
If im a shill I really hope I get some of that Nintendo money soon because then I could buy Sonic X Shadow Generations with it >_>; still, thanks for watching!
it's honestly baffling that Wonder has the deepest settings menu out of every Nintendo game ever I think. that's always the thing, they could just have options so people can play how they want to and yet they don't do it. I wanted to like Wonder but I didn't really and I didn't really know why although I'm more of a celeste is the best platformer person myself
I see Celeste as more of a puzzle platformer but I hear you. To me Mario and Sonic are the only ones really holding down classic arcade style 2D platformers, and seeing Mario choose this route is just disappointing
fr celeste is one of the best 2d games ever in terms of game design and gameplay it's challenging but has no BS inherited from arcades that don't make any sense in its context
I haven't played a Mario title, since Mario 64 came out, so that was my last title. Seeing this, I'm asking myself why adult people bother with such super childish, over the top cheesy titles? Do you really enjoy such stuff? Weird.
Good question heres my take 1. People like things they grew up with, a few generations now have grown up with Mario 2. There are other games like Sonic that build off of what Mario started, some of those games or series are more mature or have more mechanical depth, so then you come back to Mario and hope it adopts some of that 3. If you like other games, you don't want the bad things Mario does to impact those games because he's so popular 4. Stuff like Mario party and Mario kart exist and are a lot of fun with friends so there's a lot of attachment to these characters 5. Generally the games are well made and fun to play. Your comment is kinda the same energy as something like "why are adults still watching Disney movies?" It's because they're good movies. For Mario, it's because they're good games...usually
@@xaviermakesart Well I think companys such as Disney and their agendas and Hollywood with their unoriginal productions are something too, that I can't wrap my head around. On a side note, I don't even play games anymore. I used to have a PSP and a 120something collection, but sold it all and didn't played most of it. I guess I just moved on, which was already 10 years ago. I recently played some SNES via PC, but it feels just like a waste of time and mind numbing. I now understand why some adults back then couldn't get into such stuff and also lacked the energy to invest time in it.
@@xaviermakesart I searched for opinions on Super Mario 2 (nes/snes) and somehow found my way on your video. I guess because you used the s-word in you title. ;^)
I think some characters look better than others, the yoshis and peach and daisy are really cute and Luigi looks ok, Mario looks the most off if I had to pick
