Long comment alert. In case anyone needs a refresher, the oxygen destroyer brought Godzilla’s level so low that monarch’s dedicated tracking systems couldn’t pick him up, meaning he was at basically zero. Serizawa’s nuke was a hydrogen bomb, meaning that both Boston and Roman goji contained 1 h-bombs worth of radioactive energy. Boston Godzilla was about to go thermonuclear from that amount of energy, but Roman goji wasn’t. After BosGoji is dropped from the stratosphere, it appears that he uses a very strong pulse to break his fall, and the fact that he didn’t get up confirms that his levels were really low again. After absorbing mothra’s ashes, he instantly begins overcharging, meaning that mothra also contained a similar amount of energy. Once he achieves the full MosuraGoji Thermonuclear state, he’s melting ENTIRE CITY BLOCKS BY SIMPLY EXISTING. In contrast, Supercharged Evolved was wielding the combined power of pre-mothra sacrifice BosGoji, Scylla, Tiamat, 2 or 3 nuclear power plants, and the most powerful source of energy on earth. So, yes, thermo is more dangerous to everyone and everything around it, but evolved is miles above in terms of raw power.
I think you can also add this but Serizawa also nuked Godzilla’s entire stash of radioactive material too. Meaning, Godzilla may have had more than just hydrogen bomb upgrade.
@@juiceekay7428 So it's same story as Castle Bravo nuclear test: nuke was supposed to be "only" 6 megatons of TNT, but ended up swelling to 15 Megatons due to radioactive Lithium, subsequently contaminating the fishermen.
@@toainsully I’m actually hoping that’s the case, although I want it to happen at the very end of the monster verse. I’ve heard a lot of talk about how the next movie is going to be a Godzilla solo film that will develop him as a character. While destoroyah is an awesome villain concept, I would definitely prefer to have space Godzilla for a film like this.
Ghidorah was screaming in pain from blue atomic breath as stated in the novel. Shimo was unfazed by any spiral breaths. And as stated in the novel. Shimo was only getting angrier as the fight went on. Oh yeah btw Shimo didn't go all out as it was stated she didn't wish to hurt Kong or Godzilla It's also stated that evolved is far stronger than thermo
Agree on everything you said but the 5th statement is driving me literal crazy from how stupid people are. Without the control she's a puppy right, WITH the control skar is forcing her to not hold back as we see she tries to not kill kong but then she does try to kill kong. Even in the rio fight we actually see shimo not caring anymore and is actually just tryna finish skar job even trying to kill kong lol but godzilla saves him. So yes she was not holding back she actually went full power mode AS SHE WAS in control and was forced to not hold back so she is litteraly at her best trying to kill kong and godzilla. So dont say she was not going all out. Its really annoying
@@HMLz6maybe she was not holding back in terms of physical prowess, but she was definately holding back with her ice breath because she froze greenland, caused the ice age and froze ghidorah.
Exactly! Thermonuclear Godzilla is what happens then he exceeds his maximum power level. Evolved Godzilla can hold 20 times as much power as he did in KotM, which probably already exceeds Thermo’s power level. This also means that Evolved Godzilla can also go Thermonuclear, but he’ll be at least 20 times stronger.
Evolved! Only fda could argue against thermo getting a nuke and evolved getting two titans worth and evolving with the most radioactivity on earth's surface
Ah yes, cuz the statement that Godzilla's power was rising by the minute for an 8 hour fight, and he wastes it in 30 seconds, meanwhile evolved holds wastes all that energy in 2 days.
@@JustaDuckGames he exceeds it tho, it was stated since the begging of Boston battle that his power was leaking and exceeding his capacity, and thus he was killing himself since the space occupied by radiation storing elements was overflown with more radiation, but he kept it in, and killed himself in the process, or at least that would be true of he didn't get mothra's essence, which gave him both s power boost and the power to survive the overload, you can do some math with the lowest numbers possible and thermo's number still comes higher than evolved's x20
I think it's helpful to imagine Godzilla's radioactive capacity (and its "spillover" limits) as a muscle. It's something he's expanded over time by pushing his limits farther and farther. Every time we see him brimming with so much power it starts to bleed from every crack in his body we know he's about at his tipping point, but that threshold keeps going up over time too.
i have a few tips, 1. Get a mic 2. Use a green screen for some of the parts where you’re showing something 3. (not saying you didn’t) But plan out your videos, like make scripts and stuff. (IF YOU DONT ALREADY, DONT THREATEN TO SEND TYPE 2 KIRYU AT MY DOOR)
So your making Godzilla in Kaioken x20 pit against God ki Godzilla??? Dayum thats hard. Evolved wins since his Kaioken is 20x more stronger than god ki
My Guy Godzilla before evolving which we refer to as supercharged was approaching the meltpoint then he goes and absorbs parts of Tiamat and his entire lair and evolves increasing his capacity by 20x from the Super Charged state, but he also grew over time since KoTM so very likely his limit before evolving was slightly higher than the limit in boston which made him go thermo. So it's more like this. Supercharged Pre-Evo=Thermo (Boston)
THIS WAS ACTUALLY FUN TO SEE (u should do these more) THANK U AS WELL FOR ANSWERING THIS FOR THE PEOPLE GLAZING THERMO AND (in part) GHIDORA. I have been in constant debates abt this and they never accept that it’s a FACT and not an OPINION that Thermo is weaker and literally worse in every aspect than Evolved. Love this explanation of this concept. I am a visual learner. Even tho I knew he was much greater in power. Seeing it like this makes it EVEN MORE obvious for me. Shout out to u for doing this, fda fucked up really bad with his Thermo vs Shimo video and I was getting annoyed at the possibility of people using the vid to justify they’re inner fanboy.
fda lmfao biggest Godzilla fan boy for inaccurate information on RU-vid He's wrong, he made every tiny point he could to hand off thermos, its stated by the novel which is cannon that evolved is stronger he can Denie this all he wants but the novel is cannon not his opinion's. Fda just makes every little detail and makes a untrue Stroy about it. When they done said his new breath is the most powerful ever and Shimo shrugged it off, when before thermo his breath was causing Ghidorah insane pain just in his base form.
thermo is Godzilla unevolved in his old form not being able to hold the energy so he has to release it, evolved has the same energy but can he can contain it. so YES Evolved is STRONGER! Thermo is a leaking nuke so more deadly to surroundings like people and buildings. Evolved way stronger because he has all the energy stored in himself at will..
@@andreakarish7526 well damn exactly like me🤯😅that’s wild this mf as the same age as me n is popping out hella good content w 100,000 subs bravo m8🥳but real shit tho when we’re the other times he revealed it?
@@ghosted5996 A announcement that he is going to G fest Final Wars VS Legendary ( I think ) A Gfest short in which he met the screen capturer of godzilla. and a few other vids these are just off the top of my head
FACE REVAL AND ITS NOT JUST A SCRENE, wow you fixed all my complaints, I would love to pay you in some way, but I’m broke as all broke I only have 96 dollars
Well, now that they went Showa era silly, nothing wrong with that, they have to make him as powerful as possible for his next enemies. If the monsterverse continues to have the legs it has now Goji will eventually fight Destoroyah, and he'll have to be ludicrously powerful to fight that monster. So, they clearly want Goji juiced up, and for the most part the films have gradually stepped up his power levels. GvK was sort of the odd film where it seems Godzilla's power level remained the same from KoM; although boring a hole through a good chunk of the earth is pretty insane. Shimo was arguably supposed to be the oldest and most powerful titan, and Evolved G pretty much stalemated Shimo. For me that's enough proof this form was more powerful than any previous versions. Hopefully Adam Wingard, or some other producer/writer, gives more clarity as to what was intended.
This is a pretty good example, and i have another good one for this. So, for any DBZ fans, this will be easy to understand. in the Frieza saga goku turns super saiyan for the first time, its a lil destructive and goku doesn’t how to control it properly. After that, in the Cell Saga, Goku and Gohan train the super saiyan by simply, living transformed as one, Goku is stronger than when he faced frieza, but he now controls MUCH better this power. I think this is a good analogy for Evolved and Thermo, so hopefully you liked it.
I have seen you face before so that wasn’t the big suprise of the video for me it was the godzilla lab this is such and upgrade from before the explanation is so creative this type of video has so many potential and possibilyties you could do experiments or minifigure stop motion and stuff great video keep it up
I love the way you explained this. Imo thermo is far more dangerous then both evolved and supercharged, I also think that he beats evolved but supercharged being able to beat thermo makes the most sense.
@@GhidorahFan64no thermo is weaker then evolved but is more dangerus because his radiation is leaking sooo much that it's evaporating everything around it there's the currect answer watch the whole video if you need to then your gain the same answer.
@@GhidorahFan64 You didnt watch the video did you bud. He just explained it so well and simple and his statement is thermo is more dangerous due to not controlling it, but evo is actually more powerful but we just dont see it as hes not releasing his energy all at once
Logically, thermo became thermonuclear by one warhead nuke Evolved was needed about a few France nuclear power plants, Scylla’s radiation, and the solar radiation in the arctic where Tiamat was. It’s obvious evolved would win thermo, if not logically.
i do agree with this, base evolved prob loses to thermo but thermo loses to supercharged evolved, although i do think that when he absorbed scylla and then the nuke that was him in the overflowing state you mentioned, it was just mothra that gave an extra amp yknow, another thing is that in his blue supercharged form he does seem to beable to hold it, otherwise the second he gets the form he would lose it in about an hour or so or somethin idk how much he leaks radiation, i would say that supercharged godzilla from gxk is about equal to evolved goji might be weaker or stronger but thermo is stronger than evolved but evolved supercharged is stronger than thermo. or i might be dumb idk
I’d honestly say that even base Evolved is stronger, since he came out twice as powerful as he was before absorbing the energy of the North Pole, and he was already at thermonuclear levels of power before that.
its more like a water balloon where the water will eventually make it bigger and bigger till it pops however if you make the water balloon 20x bigger it will not have that issue however that doesn’t mean it has more water in it
I get what you're saying but to me, burning godzilla is a bit stronger based on the face he's a bit more unhinged, but evolved is much more concentrated. As for supercharged evolved, honestly idk. Whole dispute aside I'd really like to see a burning evolved godzilla
When judging by purley onscreen feats,yk what thermo would scale to? *multi city block level* ,his pulse was only shown to take up a small portion of a city.Only being like his area x5 around him.
I find it hilarious how all the thermo glazers in comment sections or debates will deny any true evidence we provide of Evolved being stronger and more powerful and dismiss canon sources as not canon. Like I get you love Thermo Godzilla and he is cool if not cooler, but just accept that he loses this time.
How does he lose though I’m kinda confused about that statement. Thermo has simply shown better feats of durability and attack power even if he wasn’t on screen for that long. He was able to 2 shot Ghidorah and simply ignore his gravity beams. I agree Evolved is probably physically stronger, definitely more agile and lean but Thermo definitely takes durability abilities and attack power. I think thermo would win high difficulty
@@KreKrexlerevolved has WAAAAAY more power than thermo, but he is able to control this power unlike thermo who was about to explode like an overcharged battery, also, evolved godzilla survived shimo’s frostbite blast which froze ghidorah as stated in the official GxK novelization, if you want an even more in depth explanation that is true. Watch godzilla guy’s new vid that came out 1-2 days ago
Interesting vid I like seeing you do vids in person and I found it easy to understand since I am a VERY VERY visual learner lol Do you think you could make something like this going into mechagodzilla 21 energy levels and how strong he would be with pure hollow earth energy instead of the synthesized energy?
Keep clowning ThermoGoji is stronger. His durability is leagues higher, he tanked gravity beams which made him LAUGH. And also now we know that EvoGoji is 2x to the rome godzilla, and supercharged is likely 2x that amount again. so a 4x boost 4x boost would do NOTHING to the amp ghidorah that thermogoji eviscerated easily.
First of all he never was x20 more powerful, and it was never implied, he only had the capacity increased, and I believe we can assume that the evolution took up some radiation to become reality, also the statement "his power is rising by the minute" is cannon, and also there is no evidence that Godzilla can absorb other titan's radiation from their bodies, and he never did what he did to the power plants, so we can't count that, he only got tiamat's glow because he evolved in her layer, also you have to take into account that Godzilla wastes radiation to maintain this form as stated by the designer, so much so that he burns his own fat to stay pink, so the visual example you just showed must be constantly getting little portions removed, also based on feats alone Thermo stomps since Ghidorah gets better regeneration the more radiation there is in the atmosphere, as seen when he stood above Rodan's volcano, regenerating a whole head in seconds, so him being this close to Thermo who as I explained holds WAY more radiation than you give him credit for, means his regenerative abilities were at an all time high, and Thermo still outpaced that, btw monarch left around halfway through the battle where Godzilla's power was constantly rising, some of the cast remained, but they didn't have the equipment or the mindset to calculate goji's power while running for their lives, so begging of gxk goji, who is also considered peak pre evolution goji, is relative to mid of Boston fight goji, and kong is relative to goji, so relative could have a big difference between person 1 and person 2. Btw they never stated Godzilla being at an all time high when he went blue thermo or base evolved, that's not to say these are inferior to mid of Boston fight goji, but they are never stated to be directly superior, only supercharged evolved is, and that's of course when monarch has no data on thermonuclear goji, there's just too many flaws in this logic to say supercharged evolved is stronger, even if he looks cooler.
Evolved has more energy and uses it better But Thermonuclear just outputs it more, making him TECHNICALLY more powerful Like, not in energy store, but due to how strong his pulses are
i think burning has the more devastating blast attack but can only do it a couple times before running dry. supercharged evolved may not have the peak output of burning (that we know of) but can do many more pink atomic breaths and from further away. pink evolved seems faster anyways so i say he can keep the distance, atomic breath from far away and win that way or just keep enough distance before burning can get to him and wait for the burning to wear off from excessive energy leaking without even needing to do anything. however if both burning and pink evolved godzilla existed at the same time, in reality pink evolved should just be able to absorb the burning radiation and be able to hold it easily then just kaboom the other one lol
What’s funny to me is that people don’t even realize that blue is literally hotter and more radiant than orange, evolved Godzilla is completely out of the spectrum too
@@edwarddanza5468 … Did you not read my comment? I was obviously talking about the supercharged Godzilla that would release blue radioactive energy out of his body the same way thermonuclear Godzilla can, and blue is more radiant than orange… and with Godzilla being evolved now, he’s out of the spectrum, and will easily demolish his thermonuclear form
@@crymeariver512 Ok, I thought you meant that Purple wasn't even on the spectrum, which it technically is and is the most radiated something could be. Sorry for the confusion.
@@edwarddanza5468 ok, sorry if I sounded aggressive there, but Godzilla looks more of bit of a pink/magenta color now (which those are out of the spectrum) but yes, purple works too But yeah, evolved Godzilla would just clap thermonuclear Godzilla
@@crymeariver512 pretty much. People glaze Thermo so badly it's annoying. If both Godzilla's were to battle. Evolved would absorb everything Thermo would throw at him and Thermo would just melt/implode from his body trying to absorb an attack from Evolved. Supercharged is just overkill at that point.
I have an epic suggestion, Godzillasaurus vs King kong 2005 Although I think it would be hard because we barely got to see godzillasaurus and he also tanked a nuke, i'm starting to think this is a bad idea
I personally think that while thermo Godzilla is more destructive, evolved is way more energy efficient and equally as powerful. It’s like thermo Godzilla is him releasing all that energy at once while evolved is using it in a more sustainable way.
I think Base evolved has the same amount of energy as Thermo, but Supercharged evolved definitely has more. Anyways, you should do more of these lab videos cause I'm also a visual learner
2:29 little thing: godzilla wasn’t going to die from this via melting down or go thermo nuclear. he was actually going to straight up explode a shit ton of radiation which was non-lethal to him. mothra sustained that and just gave him a new form at the time: thermonuclear
It wouldn’t have probably killed him but it probably would’ve left him pretty drained since he would’ve exploded out most of his radiation he wouldn’t have died but it definitely would’ve left him pretty weakened
This is kinda accurate but not completely Keizer as the time of final wars was indeed meant to be the most powerful ghidorah along with final wars goji but that was because they were planned to be the final Godzilla movie from toho but it wasn’t Godzilla contained having more movies so Keizer and final wars were no longer the strongest but Keizer does probably lose to monster zero not without doing some damage of course Keizer isn’t the strongest anymore but doesn’t mean he’s weak
Bassicaly short argument on how the burning gojis/unstable goji always win Red and orange combination + unstable: stronk Any color combination + unstable but can be controlled: weak
There is a big difference between the two Evolved Godzilla used much more radiation for a permanent evolution Thermonuclear Godzilla used Mothra and a nuke for a 2 minute powerup Scylla also needs radiation to exist. Scylla didn't hold all that in. This next part is a bit of my head canon. Evolved Godzilla can go "Supercharged" anytime, but it is extremely exhausting. He isn't spewing out the radiation. He is just using a buttload of it at once. After Godzilla evolved he was at critically low levels of radiation as he used it all to evolve. I don't think he got much more. He was likely 10-20% his max radiation during the fight. Evolved could fight for much longer without losing radiation as he has more, but he can't use it very quickly like Thermo Evolved Godzilla is better at controlling radiation, but his max attack power didn't go up too much without super charge. Evolved Godzilla most likely used "Supercharged" form for serious battles only. Radiation doesn't change too much physical stats. Thermonuclear Godzilla was likely 200-300% his max radiation. The nuke brought him over 100% and I believe Mothra has much more than that nuke. (Personally I believe he was at 400-600% radiation.) If he didn't exert his energy with those pulses he would've self destructed. I'm not saying evolved would lose to Thermo. If evolved can last until Thermo weakens I don't see Thermo winning. It all depends if Evolved could take a few pulses of Thermo. Oh yeah. If Evolved Godzilla achieved a true supercharged state it would crush Thermo easily. Destoroyah, Space Godzilla, Shimo, Thermo, Burning Godzilla all at the same time wouldn't stand a candle to supercharged evolved. (I'M SORRY HEISEI FANS) I still think Thermo is stronger, but that is my opinion
Another great video as always Godzilla Guy! While I personally don't agree, I got to say I enjoyed this style of video and really appreciated the visual aids.
