SUPREME COMMANDER EPIC #70 - Custom - 4v4 on Setons 

@Max RV On a building, unit or rough terrain.

I was also curious, and pulled up the replay. I uploaded the part where Kuhwa met his unfortunate demise for anyone wondering: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TeMSxD-gbhw.html

@@SangheiliSpecOp big kudos! thank you!

@@tatsuuuuuu you're welcome c:

Yep. Dropped straight onto a building. What a way to go. LoL :)

Dude same lol.

I watched his casts 8-9 years ago. I can hardly believe he’s still doing them lol

Just got recommended it now

They should've timed their scathis instead of the two firing at once

sometimes I wonder if this game is a strategic command RTS or a cockroach simulator as you take 1000 nuclear strikes and somehow manage to hang on by a thread

@@ummmhelp One has to wonder how radioactive nukes are in Supreme Commander. This many weapons, many of which of have exotic properties. I think nukes at this point are optimized to the point of having no fallout, that or they just don't care anymore.

Ah yes, classic Supcom head. Games can feel very different to the veiwer than the player, especially without the lag.

Well played BTW. A joy to watch.

That shield micro was awesome.

@@GyleCast For the viewer i can say it was a real pleasure to watch , iv always wondered if id see a game with such insanity and now i finally have , truly blessed , still cant believe Th3-11 managed to pull that of just remarkable , but i have to also say much kudos to all players it was a herculean effort to hold back so much incoming destruction and finally to Gyle to making this cast if i imagine what the original game devs had in mind for this game i still don't think it would be the THIS EPIC

Stellar game mate, seen it a year ago, but i think the quarter of a million youtube views confirm this thought ;)

It wants you to play too...

Nice

Algorithm brought me here to, and after buying Forged Alliance I don't wanna play StarCraft or Planetary Annihilation again lol. Planetary Annihilation was made by some of the devs from Supreme Commander, but it just misses some of the touches that SC has and multiple factions. Have to download a mod to play something else.

@@Vevvev8 Sadly it does. It was fun on it's own for some time, but FAF was polished for so long, it's just too good.

Bless you sir. Top info.

@@GyleCast it's not uef

what are u doing here? go play satisfactory! lol

Didn't expect to see you around these here parts.

@@Armarnis watching Supreme Commander replays is my addiction

ImKibitz kibz, PLEASE do a series on this game, it’s so fun and needs more players

@@ImKibitz loving the factorio series

Love me some setons clutch. I know its overplayed but its such a guilty pleasure

The trend of RTS came to an end.

@@musizlover2008 I mostly think its because the past recent titles were really, really mediocre and some of it was streamlined for newer audience. I mean, look at starcraft 2. 10 years has passed yet thousands still play it now. I seriously hope a company out there would release an rts game that'll surpass the other previous games like what CDPR is to single player games.

Apparently RTSes are hard to make on multi threaded processors because the main thread has to handle pretty much everything. So computers killed RTSes

Age of empires 2 is still being played, check out t90 official for good casted games

@@mattweger437 ????? thats crap, its more on the fact that the model isnt as profitable as say FPS or other genres, also apart from blizzard that does startcraft, 2 of the major ones that did RTS was ensemble studios and westwood. ES got bought by microsoft and was shutdown after they made halo wars. EA bought westwood and EA was a company that wanted profits and so the RTS games they made were good but also had pressure from EA and so after CNC 4 they shut down, or tho EA have just released CNC and Red Alert remastered. my two cents ^_^

and butcher doing all the work basically killing everything :D

I'm not very familiar with this game so forgive my ignorance, but couldn't Team 1 have redirected their artillery fire to the rest of the map to try to take out Team 2's power generators so Team 2 could no longer afford all the shield generators?

@@dylanwilson2292 i'm no more knowledeable than you, but maybe they for sure should have just blew up other stuff. even the boats in the bay maybe?

@@nrask8727 ​ @Dillo Hills I don't play this particular game myself, but I assume they have the same issue as any other game with fog of war. They can't really see what they are shooting at, so until they get a recon plane overhead for another glimpse. This lack of intel makes targeting the weak spots hard.

I'm rather familiar with this game but not nearly as good as these guys. I honestly do think team 1's downfall was focusing on the T4 arty. Team 2 was putting so much effort into micro, they should have kept pressure up with one scathis and then direct the other arty units to less guarded sides of the map, ocassionally retargeting team 2s arty from time to time. That would wipe out power production and it would also make it really hard for team 2 to micro. But hindsight 20/20 and all that. They didn't even know about the micro until long after that stage of the battle.

it's definitely a known exploit. I think FAF tried and failed to remove sub stacking. we could also try to identify nukes as stacked and make the smd revert to old behavior of "fire at will" in that case.

@@tatsuuuuuu what about defence missile splash damage with range of 5? I mean it would be pretty dumb from there on to stack missiles :)

@@Squee7e this is the answer

@@Squee7e I vote for this.

Yep. I love the older games but stuff like this is definitely why I usually stick to games like Planetary Annihilation for online play.

im pretty sure gyle of all people already planned to do this, but yea that'd be a dope vid

@@deeznuttes9340 Yeah that would be great, is there replay packs? Can you post a link to the tourney?

Welcome to 2023 😅

That, and cybran shields are absolute doodoo.

The northern team switched the targets too much also IMO.

Thanks for watching and welcome!

Welcome aboard!

The wrecks in the middle should just be replaced by a Mavor.

That moment when one of the people you watch (ghost) comments on a video of another person you watch (Gyle) and you realize it’s a smaller world than you think.

@@MrFinntabulous Been playing this game since I was like 8 years old. Good shit. Almost makes me wanna do a video on it and completely have people bum rush the FAF community.

CS Ghost Animation I say do it! For being a 13 year old game, the community is still growing thanks to FAF and RU-vidrs like Gyle. You can’t say the same about many other titles.

@@Don1772 was wondering that myself. Is it even in the video? I like seeing the firing arc of a good arty barrage :)

@@CSGhostAnimation YOU SHOULD! LoL Gyle is a good caster. He deserves a decent flood of views.

Do you reclaim the same amount rather than reclaiming it while its still active?

@@Zefurion1988 yes

@TheEsotericZebra been a fan of gyle for years, never thought id get on a cast! :) (even if i did fail and kind of give up due to needing some sleep lol, i would have tried harder if i knew if was gonna be on gylecast!)

they dont bug out, but it means the nukes are harder to shoot down, if they are spread out a nuke def can shoot down 4 or 5 if they are clumped together its 3

It's not a bug at all, what happens is that sometimes they confuse SMD's and a bunch of them tries to shoot the same nuke because their AI targets the first one that enters the range in case of equidistance, thus wasting precious ammo and firing time. You need to do have spammed nukes for this to work anyway, so it's a tactic instead of an abuse if my understanding does not fail me.

This is on the border of glitch using then and i can understand why ppl would ban it. I mean off-mapping or transporter blocking could also be considered a tactic but is frowned upon. If the multi-nuke was just to deceive the enemy i would be fine with it but if it wastes smd missles it is stronger than it should be.

@@jx4219 Correct and not so at the same time so it is a bit of a gray area. In order for this to work you have to have enough nukes fired at the same time to breach a given number of SMD's anyway this tactic simply increases your chances instead of outright using a loophole. How SMD's will react is completely down to the case, however, it being frowned upon is completely justifiable. There is no saying if the SMD's will be deceived or not, due to SupCom's engine the ballistics work in sort of mysterious ways. Off-mapping isnt really a glitch either, just a massive dick move. Transporter blocking on the other hand simply abuses a loophole in the game engine. If your opponent puts two SMD's too close to each other the SMD's will react to a single nuke the same way anyway, as in both of them will try to shoot a single nuke simultaneously with one succeeding and the other wasting it's ammo, this happens due to the travel speed and rate of fire disparity between a slowing nuke and SMDs as can be seen in the later stages of this particular GyleCast. Stacking nukes can only take advantage of poor SMD placing, or there's such a sheer number of nukes present that it HAS to be done, because SupCom has a terrible tendency to devolve into hour-long turtling wars with no way to effectively breach each others' defenses. Funnily enough, if you just do a 2x2 land nuke formation instead of nuke subs it will effectively become nuke stacking in and of itself anyway. If the fight devolves into nukes and smds, it becomes less of a tactic or choice and more of an eventuality. Then again, here we are discussing ethics for a game that came out in 2008 or so, make of that what you will lol.

@@DefconLives I meant deceiving as in the enemy thinks there is only one nuke which he can shoot down and then doesn't move his commander. So if the misfires are counterable by smd placement then it's fine again. I just hate exploity stuff. And sure it's from 2008 but it's still my most played online game and for many others as well.

not anymore

First two days are pretty rough lol :)

yup, the rapid fire artillery would make short process with the anti-nukes etc. but nova spam with mavor is brutal to. scathis is kind of bad with that, but good vs a lot of small stuff etc.

Some day when we can run this on quantum CPUs that can handle the massive parallel computation of this game, we are going to see a renaissance of Supreme Commander.

Assuming it is compatible with a quantum's instrunction set, which is either going to be a massive pain for the community to make this compatibility patch OR the computer comes with an automatic "translator" of sorts, so that normal stuff can run on it ... and of course i'm ignoring the probably massive price tag as new tech tend to be for the first decade of existence

Well, it's about StarCraft being more "competitive", while SupCom is about being fun. You can guess three times which one I prefer

@@Pho7on no need for this, you just have do some tricks for the massiv numbers. why should you do real physical tracing if you fire a huge amount of the same shell? some skillful math and a better engine...i do miss this kind of rts game with massive amounts of small units and swarm intelligence. there is a lot you can improve. :/

total annihilation was meant to be the spiritual successor to this game. it didn't really live up to it imo. TA was still better than SupCom 2 though.

You mean planetary annihilation, total annihilation was the game that supcom is a successor to

@@alexmcaree7854 oop you're right my bad. I saw annihilation and my brain filled in the rest haha

Second?

@@1989ElLoco fixed

Thrawnmulus Ah yes. SupCom 2 maps are tiny. FAF is the real deal mate. At least for me.

81x81km I believe.

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 lol no, setons is 20x20 it nowhere near the size of frostmill ruins/betrayal ocean

And the royally fucked up the Aeon :'( made them a niche kind-of-joke faction

@@Land967 they also removed Seraphin. Turned the campaign into a military story from hard fantasy sci fi. Made experimental units into basically the T2, T3 of a game where only T1 exists, where in Sup Com 1 it was T1 T2 T3 and T3993838839390 (Experimental). Made graphics nice but barren. Did a lot of changes to turn an rts classic to an XBOX strategy game.

@@crimsonlanceman7882 I know I played it a lot in multiplayer games were a lot shorter. a youtuber friend of mine posted out supcom2 games (his name was stnp255) but he sadly deleted all of his videos a few months ago :( and he was a popular-at-the-time supcom2 uploader

This video made me pick up the collection on Steam... SC2 is just so dumbed down compared to the first.

SC2 is a pretty good game. I like that it is faster paced, but it isn't SC1.

Pick it up on steam and come join us!

@@GyleCast I'll definitely look into it!

First I've heard of it. But FAFs whole existence is at Square Enixs pleasure (the company that now owns the IP). They let us function because we keep the game alive and keep more copies moving off the steam store. Even if this story about the crack is real, it would be doubtful we would be able to take advantage of it legitimately.

Thats must be a myth. Yes there have been binary exe patches made by some FAF folks, which patched some desyncs and other smaller problems. Those were only "small" patches, because making these patches without screwing up the engine is extremely hard. And there is nothing to crack, just reverse engineering.

Called the Loud project and it makes the sim run ALOT better but also changes some gameplay.....

Liable issues I guess?

nah, the shields did

That was fun. I think the FAF developers made shields deflect those now though.

They deflect smaller aircraft, but the big UFO? probably not Worth a test though

Thats bassically how nukes work IRL. Just a bunch of missiles waiting to be launched at once.

Made Demigod, SupCom2 and they bombed hard, took AoE Online, it went badly. Failed kickstarter campaing and were absorbed by Wargaming. Went fivish years without a game released and were disbanded when Wargaming money became tighter.

@@ezariogerion3138 Chris Taylor was doing an interview a few months back now with FAF and were talking hypotheticals might be a good watch for you ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gNafyqUsSqQ.html&ab_channel=ForgedAllianceForever

Most important thing is there is very accurate ranking on faf. When you play against players of your skill level it just creates a much better game.

Thats very smart

Wait the scathing can go under water? WTF

@@patrickbick2064 it's not amphibious according to the Supcom wiki, which makes me think it's a FAF feature

@@pt8306 It was always amphibious. I remember sending it on 20 minutes underwater missions playing against the AI on 80x80km maps as a kid in SC1.

Completely agree. I am trying on the diversity front but it's tough at the moment with the replay vault suffering from its filtering issues since pagination a couple of patches ago.