Surron vs Talaria Sting .....is the Talaria REALLY better?? 

I just found the perfect video for me to play when I can’t fall asleep at night.

this was the exact kind of extremely thorough walkthrough i was looking for, thank you.

This was the most informative comparison that I have seen. Thanks for doing this.

Absolutely excellent comparison, thanks! One critical piece of advice it to make sure you adjust the audio leveling between clips. I had to go from absolutely maxing my speakers (which can at any moment cause literal ear damage from other sound sources) to quickly turning them back down to less than one third of max. Even when maxed out the audio was a whisper at one point. Most editors should have an auto leveling feature to try and make sure most of the video is roughly the same volume. Other than that, super great information and pacing. I love the attention to detail that you've provided in this.

You answered a lot of questions that I was looking for. I really appreciate the three of you and this video. 🏁

Wow killer video! Y’all had so much info I’m super happy I found this one

Shiite ONE YEAR AGO!! MX3! vs. Sur-Ron. We need the MX4 vs todays Sur-Ron excellent content subbed and liked and well commented too! Light upgrade for MX4, please. or noticed the rear Sur-Ron shock mud flap, no Talaria flap? Any TECH info is good info. In Comments so many want to be owners are spectators. I did the same until Talaria MX4 arrived. Now the li'l biotch brother arrives 3X for 3k. Now Sur-Rons move. Hope they step it up cuz the MX5 may have the 72 V batt. stock?!?!? Next Summer. hahaha get off the fence and ride. Buy used, buy last years, build BUT Ride!

Great video!! Big power upgrade kit for Talaria is now available from us.

Thanks for the overview! I've watched a half dozen other reviews of the bike, and they all say the same things, I assume they are all reading off a manufacture supplied bullet point marketing leaflet, "Hey we got a wider fork and swingarm for wider tires, the single battery plugin is awesome, its a bigger bike, and its got a gear drive.....You've given the best review by a long shot, you got my sub. (edited, I see this was answered elsewhere).... Also, I did see mention elsewhere the mapping on the throttle response was just as you described, real punchy but then it goes super-flat, personally speaking for myself, this is probably my biggest concern, I have the resources to address most of the hardware issues you shared, but when things are off with software that's not anywhere near my wheelhouse, you have a feel or opinion on how responsive Talaria will be in getting out updates for something like this? The last thing, do you have an opinion on the Talaria's rear swing arm linkage? not the arm itself, and not the poor tolerance in need of a larger bolt or bushing sleeve, but that linkage arm, I'm not sure how I feel about the geometry and the linkage arm between the shock and swingarm, maybe it's just the limited angles I am seeing from the video, but it looks like there could be some unnecessary(questionable) load points there where that linkage will be taking some abuse that the suspension should be dealing with.

Amazing details! Thanks!

Thank you for this!

Very Informative video thank you def going to sub

... is the Talaria REALLY better? YES

Just makes me feel better about owning a surron x hell yeah baby

13:34 sur ron has this issue where the shock is mounted, I had even more play, one of the two mounting holes where missing a bushing...

The blade type plugs are fine. I believe you'd want to consider surface area of the contactors

Good info. What size are the talarias spoke lugs?

It's possible that I was distracted at the time, but I don't remember hearing you mention anything about ride quality regarding suspension and the general feel of each bike. Could you possibly provide a little feedback on that? Thank you... And great video.

Looking at generalities this was a great video. The platform availabilities byway of mods is currently the major difference for me. Much like the battle between Microsoft and Apple came down to the number of applications available to the two different platforms. Each player (Talaria vs Surron) needs to decide what it wants to specialize in...right now it appears that the players are competing against each other which is often the case when designeers (and engineers) originate from the same company. I'd prefer them pick a specialty.

Patiently waiting for the new vid about the updated/upgraded Talaria you have eluded to in other comments. I’m on the fence and am at the point to where I finally am able to pull the trigger on either, just can’t decide. (I’m coming from riding/racing 250s and 450s all my life and while I know neither will replace that feeling, I’m just wanting the best option possible between these 2. I’ve ridden a sur ron with battery bypassed and emoto Bros controller upgrade (If I could get even close to this kind of power out of the Talaria with the same mods, I’m leaning this direction mainly due to the Talaria size difference)

Very good video

Very good, deffinatly a tough call between the two, I'm on the fence still. That turning radius is kind of a big deal though, I can probably forgive the rest. I'd love to hear more on these two compared.

Really happy with your video I’m really struggling to figure out which I want Im wanting to upgrade a lot on the bike I think the surron has more options for upgrades? Im 5’6 150 pounds Im really wanting to like the talaria but idkkkk😭

So with one would you recommend?

I think I'm going to wait and save more, hoping they will fix the issues with the sting that are cheap and easier to do while still saving for more modifications for it.

That rear linkage bolt is not correct for the bike. The shank of the bolt only goes half to 3/4 of the way through the swingarm/linkage. The shank should be full length, less a couple of threads into the outer swingarm mount casting. Still there is slop in the bolt shank to inner bearing/bush clearance.

Gooooood job! Thx

I was wondering about the rear fender.. Please give some info on them. Super interested

Where’d you get that rear fender?

great channel, the only reason I dont buy a Suron..etc. Cant lift it over fences 😛

Good data. Still thinking Surron because they are more established.

hello to you I have a question what is the model of your rear wheel guard ?

Just ordered a Talaria. Cant wait to get it

You mention you could make the rear shock smaller to lower the seat, would this affect the bike in anyway? make it worse? is having longer shocks better compared to shorter ones?

may have already been said, but at 13.28 standard bolt shafts are not precision diameter and often undersized, may be worth replacing the bolt with a precision diameter shoulder bolt

Hey do you think I could fit the Talaria Sting's rear tail fender on a Sur ron? or would it require modification? Thank you :)

So it's pretty much clear that a great change on the Talaria would be the controller because of the powercurve, or am I wrong there?

How can we buy that fender?

how did u get the talaria in the U.S.?

I appreciate the effort of the video, but I cant help feel this was a bias attempt to shine a light back on the Surron after many others have praised the Talaria so much. There are obviously good and bad points for both, but the obvious negativity and the almost forced acceptance of Talaria "pros" was disappointing. Especially for a new bike vs one that has been on the market for a few years. Not so much of a review, more of a bashing.

Seeing you guys standing next to bikes, did you mention how tall you are. Trying to get an idea of its size im 5' 8". 160 lbs.

Also, set playback to 1.25

Good point about peg to seat height, I thought the frame was just strictly bigger on the talaria, really wanted the talaria but I like the surron size a lot more, maybe I'll just swap the shock after then, ty!

13:30 why does the swing arm looks like it has a sharp edge and laser cutting marks on it ?

is that the MX3?

The Bob Ross' of bike reviewers

I was ready to buy a Surron but with all this info , definitely I will consider the telaria

Wow that suspension issue... I mean I could make a brass bushing but still...

The Sur Ron is a Segway x260 And what's with all the adds on FB selling Segway x260 for under 100$ .

I’d brass shim that linkage asap that will ruin the bearing in real short order

26:16 my onyx gets 68 amps of regen power lol. the regen on the onyx is crazy.

12:42 go in the bolts box in garage n fit a fatter one or sleeve from the surron parts its L55 m8 half thread,

I have what I think is a very important question when regarding electric vehicles, and that is efficiency. Timing belts are not very lossy, but churning (gear?) oil in a gearbox can be. I would like to see a GPS verified comparison of range, riding side by side around town until both bikes hit limp home and shut off. Does the Sting even have a limp home, does it also trigger at 10%? Questions lead to questions I'm afraid. I feel that the additional battery capacity will not even make up for the potential loss in the gearbox. I would like to see it in the real world though!

oh, what a high steering wheel, like mine 😎

how long is the talaria

Wake me up when it’s over lol

What bike is that talaria? Mx3 or mx4

No disrespect, yet you were talking so slowly I felt like getting out my lawn chair and my fishing rod casting out into the lake pulling my hat down taking a little nap until I heard the little bell on my fishing pole go jingle Lingle ling😂

To me the biggest thing is upgrading. I know from having two sur rons that most will upgrade. The battery/controller are the most important/desirable upgrades and you just can't do this very easy with the Talaria.

thanks!

This video really needs to specify the exact models tested. Maybe it was obvious when the video was new...?

That rear suspension slop issue is a deal breaker for me for sure. Like you said a huge miss !

I went straight to speed and power.

*Of course the SurRon is quicker off the line being lighter and have a higher tooth sprocket?!*

I'm sure there is a lot of good info here, but nearly all of it is missed because of poor audio.

Just for parts availability I would think the sur ron would be the smart choice.

yes plz level the audio, also you should try not to directly compare or make definitive statements on the fact front shocks are not as good, you should please save that until you actually get the bike into the hills, different riders and many other factors before making a statement that one bikes suspension isn't as good without ever even actually testing them for real... that was just a brand name or a quick look at how it physically looks and making a huge statement without ever riding it or showing clips of how the suspension is better on one or the other, should really never be done.. main thing tho volume leveling, and just ride the bike before u say battery life is better on one or the other, also ride before you say something about ones suspension being better.. otherwise friiggin awesome review vid ill check in on others I am sure.. thanks

such a hard decision, I can't make up my mind 😩

As a taller ish person the height difference was enough for me to pull the trigger on the talaria

This is the old model Sting, the new 2023 Sting MXr is better and faster than the LBX and has a 60v battery.

I really do not like the Gear Oil ? If you bash that motor, your looking at leaks or worse ?? IDK ?? The Sur On is tried and tested while the talaria is still to be determined !

Talaria might be better all round in what I’ve seen on a lot of vids “but it looks bulky and ugly + heavy” compared to my awesome little surron as I’m only 5’7 and 160lbs😉lol.. Only thing i think they could do with the surron is to make it better to fit a bigger back wheel+tire when stock🤷‍♂️ just my opinion but I’m well happy with my stock surron and upgrading forks + Bac4000 or nucular with 60v 50ah battery very soon🔥🔥🔥❤️👌🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🤙🤙🤙🤙

I still prefer a surron the ride is way more comfortable talarias feel weird lol

So in conclusion the talaria wins. It I clearly a better bike

Couple Sur Ron fan boys lol

sur ron it is much more reworked today unlike this wonder.

Just called it surron 2.0 lol 😂

clearly the talaria is better but these guys seem to be biased towards the surron

The Talaria is the better machine. Period. No disrespect to the Sur Ron, it's why the Talaria is what it is today and it is the platform from which the Talaria started but the Talaria out shines the Sur Ron in so many ways.

Here’s the real question get one of these or save up for a storm bee.

The talaria is ugly im js

Any electric bike without liquid cooling are junk

You need a dead cat on your mic. The wind noise is horrible, and not enough inflection in voice.

Racing towards that little kid is pretty stupid

talaria It's a scumbag and it still looks bad in terms of design there will still be 1,000,000 problems I'd rather not buy it in 3 years if I didn't withdraw it from the market at all. The same components as on sur ron The very lousy processing of the flashlight cover has a large clearance also shows large transmission errors cracks. It's a failure and even so it looks bad looking clumsy no performance just inflated it

ummm.....ummm..ummmmm.....ummmmmmm.. I had to stop watching

They both suck.... no regen and you waste half your battery power spinning the tires for no effect... sure rooster tails look cool but it's a waste of energy... now a 2 wheel drive with hub motors like I build... will roxors your boxors....

Great job on the video, solid good info compared to some of these youngsters review . Holy smokes , some of these kids reviews are horrible & out of touch with specs & clueless. I subscribed.

Surron all the way. One should be significantly less expensive. I'm just happy that there are so many awesome new dirt e bikes. Can't wait until fusion batteries hit the market. Lol.