Sword Master Reacts To Star Wars: Jedi Survivor's Combat & Lightsaber Styles 

There's really only one correct answer and it's Obi-Wan Kenobi. :) #GameSpotGiveaway

#GameSpotGiveaway. Yoda all day.

Obi-wan Kenobi of course #GameSpotGiveaway

#GameSpotGiveaway 100% my vote is for Kyle Katarn. Luke couldn’t do it all himself post-Endor especially with what was to come

"Hello There" Obi Wan Kenobi for sure #GamespotGiveaway

The instant he said cortosis, I knew this man was the right pick for this video!

Came here to say exactly this.

Yeah, that deep cut made me smile and glad that I clicked on the video. Well done.

So Cortosis itself didn't impress me (it appeared in KOTOR) but knowing that the original incarnation of Cortosis shorted out lightsaber was impressive. He got the book wrong, it was introduced in either Specter of the Past or Vision of the Future but he did get Cortosis right and Shatterpoint needs the occasional name drop.

“Cortosis” impressive, most impressive

Its the exact same way with the Gun Expert from Royal Armories.

@@bat32391 Fully agreed. You can tell that they enjoy video games and understand it. Yet, they are still picking at some silly things games can do in jest.

Not really ScholarGladiatoria aka Matt is very nice too.

That and he realizes that Force users are using the Force to enhance their swordplay. like with the turning the saber on and off. people have been saying that for years but they fail to take in the split second decisions the Force allows you to use.

@@scttydsntknw turning the saber on and off during a duel is considered a sign of weakness by the sith and dishonourable by the jedi, in case you didn't know

Shatterpoint (good book) didn't feature cortosis, just an unnamed superconductor used in twin vibroshields. It could bounce blaster bolts, and lightsabers couldn't cut through it. They could theoretically melt, with enough time. Also, the edge was sharpened. "We use our swords as shields. They use their shields as swords." -Mace Windu

@@EGRJ Actually, it did have a name, "Ultrachrome." But I am not sure if they say it in the book or not. Good catch that Shatterpoint wasn't cortosis!

@@EGRJ The first time I remember reading about Cortosis was the Jedi Council: Acts of War comics in the early 2000s, but I think I, Jedi was the first time it was published (in Legends). That said, the name drop with cortosis and Shatterpoint was amazing!

Facts

Honestly there’s so much in Star Wars that I’m not surprised a fan can get confused as to where something originated from, the name drop of shatter point and cortosis is awesome, and since cortosis isn’t really brought up in any of the films or tv series, it means he knows at least a small amount of lore from legends and that’s awesome, he could’ve literally just read it from ‘the Jedi path’ which is a great book for explaining different saber styles, and Cal uses just about all of them with possibly the exception of either form 3 or 7 (I say this because I’m not sure which form he’s using for double bladed lightsaber stance, as the only one I’ve seen on screen is Juyo used by darth maul, and some of the abilities in the upgrade tree use the same tricks, for example spinning the blade in front of you as you go into a roll. Maul does this in animation at least once. Meanwhile the description of form 3 is that it’s extremely focused on defense and endurance, game mechanics wise Cal has the most stamina in double bladed stance and a main use for it is to redirect multiple blaster bolts quickly in succession, and it has great crowd control use but isn’t great for a 1v1 which describes soresu almost to a T from the descriptions in ‘the Jedi path’. Djem or shiien is what I’m assuming cal is using for dual lightsaber stance as the movements are very similar to Anakins movements when he uses two sabers at once in live action and animation. Ataru or Niiman is probably what Cal uses for one lightsaber stance, given how much of its upgrade tree is force enhanced movement, to close the gap with ranged enemies, which is what Ataru was built for. An arguement can be made for Niiman since the upgrade tree does include a stab chain, combined with the movement from Ataru, and the upgrade allowing you to reflect two blaster bolts back in rapid succession, it could be Niman which is essentially a blend of the previous 5 lightsaber forms. Makashi or form 2 is definitely used in blaster stance, the stabing, and the way he guards is super similar to count Dooku a master of Makashi. It’s meant for one on one duels, and it does really well in 1 on 1, but supplemented with a blaster it does well for crowd control as well in game. Now for the crossguard, given that the standard combo is a basic and slow one and two and three chops, which is pretty basic for lightsabers right? I think Cal is using Form 1 Shii-Cho for the crossguard lightsaber, which makes sense given that it’s an unfamiliar stance, and it is an ancient lightsaber type, so would likely be better utilized with an older form. Going back to basics with Shii-Cho which is the first form taught to every young king at the temple and the other lightsaber forms are built on only makes sense, as he’s still figuring out a style for it. Now the upgraded combos, one chop and then hold the attack button for a stab, followed up with another chop. Still pretty basic but does help with the distancing problem pointed out in the video. Do two basic chops and then hold the attack button to do a flip carrying the blade into an overhead swing to slam the opponent into the ground. Then there’s the basic charged attack which is one big over head swing. I can’t quite tell if Cal is experimenting with different lightsaber forms with this blade or if it’s all form 1, as the upgraded combos appear to be form V for the basic chop, which form V is described as meant for physically stronger species like Wookiees, but Anakin does note that you can use this form as a physically weaker species by enhancing your strength with the force (which given that form V is anakins favored form he presumably does this all the time, and could partially be why we don’t see him tearing apart environments and causing absolute havoc until he becomes Vader as the cybernetic suit is physically stronger than anakin was as a baseline human), the stab could be Makashi, and the flip is probably Ataru, given that it does kinda close the gap a little. I just realized this comment has gone on too long.

For sure, I'm not interested in hearing why magic doesn't work, I'm interested in an honest assessment of the fighting technique :)

Jedi have literally been proven to see the future, what’s to say they can’t have reaction times faster than any normal person.

​@Anonymous 73 it's Canon in the movies that Jedi have faster reflexes than normal people. Anakin would not be able to pod race without this ability, for example. It's part of what tipped Qui gon off to him being force sensitive.

And it's not so unrealistic anymore - at least when you're talking about vehicles. Modern military vehicles are starting to be outfitted with APS, or Active Protection Systems. These are computer controlled systems that can track incoming missiles and tank rounds, usually between the speeds of 700m/s and 1700m/s, calculate which ones are going to hit the vehicle, and fire an explosive at them, either outright destroying the incoming round or at least deflecting it away, all within a span of milliseconds.

@@Khotetsu *happy Iron Knight noises*

I never knew this. Thanks for sharing \

I think more specifically the Jedi found it dishonorable, and the Sith found it cowardly?

​@@camomurf5182 Not really cowardly, honestly dishonorable is closer. There would be no glory for killing your enemy that way, any fledgling Sith acolyte could defeat a Jedi using a tactic like that meaning you're not truly defeating your enemy. A part of that comes from it being kind of an underhanded tactic, which some Sith are fine with, but most of the Sith want to prove their superiority and their strength and they can't do that by just tricking the enemy with a tactic like this one. This is why even cowardly and underhanded Sith like Sidious won't use this tactic, you're not proving anything by winning that way.

​@@NottherealLuciferDepending on the duel however and the circumstance, the Jedi or sith might need to use that move to preserve their life. Like say they're pretty outmatched by their opponent and have no way to escape. Then I think using that move is justified, because when you're outmatched like that you don't care about proving something, you care about living.

The bounty hunters in the game are neither sith nor Jedi. Which is why you may see them do it

Yeah that’s the main problem with other experts rating the saber combat it’s fantasy and the force users can wield them much differently to someone that can’t use the force

In the setting of Star Wars, the Jedi have the help of the force to get away with some of the less "usefull" things they do with a light saber.

@@Raz0rking for instance not giving themselves a in prompt to surgery with the double blades

Me_Who_Else see that's not a good excuse. Getting away with a bad move still makes it a bad move, they could do soemthing better and be even more effective.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Then it would not be Star Wars because it is full of bad moves ;)

i think that was the inspiration of the stance cause in the debug menu for the game, the stance is literally named ‘pirate’

When the gunslinger stuff comes out it's super satisfying like being able to parry someone with a quick draw. But they also do a great job of remembering it very much is still a lightsaber stance and so most of it's move set reflects that.

It also does a good job telling the player that cal is using form 2, which is based in fencing already

​@AshenNyx I love Form 2 in general so I've been rocking Blaster as much as possible.

It is literally called the piratestance in debug/code. :D

i definitely see the effort they made with the combat, and its completely understandable that they made the crossguard the way it is from a gameplay perspective, it has the sole purpose of being the strongest but for balancing they obviously had to make it slow, so the fact they cant really make it accurate AND balanced is fine and its awesome that they at least made some effort to keep what they could accurate with it

flashiness is a necessity because the jedi and sith ability to see into the future. the flashiness is required to be able to counter your enemies precognition and land a strike

@@connorgarvin2056 the crossguard saber being slow makes no sense. its not like the lightsaber is heavy. the weight of a lightsaber is evenly distributed across the blade. the weight of the hilt itself is almost magically redistributed

@@houseofaction I think they made it that way because if it is fast, then it is too good and doesn't stand out from the other stances in combat, although it does more damage.

@@houseofaction tell that to strong style from jedi academy

Yes , but it still does not solve the fact that u can not get in any bind using the cross guard as it will cut the metal of the saber hilt breaking it

The crossguard comes with some inherent flaws (as all hilts & guards do), but there are ways it can work to some level of practicality even if it still ultimately strikes me personally as more of a novelty than a necessity for the lightsaber. To elaborate, I do believe guards in some form would have benefitted lightsabers from the beginning but a crossguard is not the solution I'd use to provide hand protection and/or prevent the opponent's blade from sliding down your own.

@@santi_super_stunts2573 I believe saber handles are made of saber resistant metals

@@Wishuponapancake I don’t wanna spoil anything but a certain character in Star Wars rebels cuts some else’s handle destroying his saber. And another certain sith character is killed after his is cut thru and hits him. The only known lightsaber “resistant” is possible the dark saber since it’s mandolorian

@@santi_super_stunts2573 it really is interesting how sabers work cause youd wonder how the hilt is exposed to the blade and how it remains intact is just fascinatingly inconsistent

Had to check my Jedi Path handbook before commenting: Niman doesn't require mastery of other forms. It is simply a more relaxed forms that diplomats preferred to use. The primary asks of Niman are a willingness to use the Force more frequently, or usage of dual sabers. It's essentially the middle ground of all saber forms and is the most balanced of all saber forms. I do believe some of the most notable Jedi and Sith who were a huge threat would utilize Niman over other forms for that reason (Revan was a practitioner of Niman, for example).

I was thinking that regular bolts would be more effortless, while those from light cannons like a Heavy Gunner, AT-ST, or Droideka would require the batting.

Yeah, I will say one of the issues is the combatant's inability to grab it at various points along the length of the weapon, eliminating a lot of the reach advantage. This is one of those weird jedi things though because part of why humans are SO obsessed with reach is we don't wanna die (weird) and even a little distance gives us room to think and react. Jedi being psychic makes reach far less vital. It's still important of course, but it's not AS important as it is for normal people.

@@KaleRylan wow.. I am a nerd and I didn't think of that part...thanks dude or miss! :D (of the jedi being psycic and thus being less required to have reach)

@@KaleRylan I think the loss of reach can be made up by saber throws, and for cal especially, seeing as he can split his saber in two parts, he’s got throw plus defensive ability(Ik in survivor he keeps double blade throws completely together, but think back to fallen order for me. He does it there)

@@poseidenforceccj2528 He's also just got a gun in this, which due to game mechanics of course you have to choose if you can even pull, but in reality he could just shoot someone if it became a problem.

... and younglings.

@@WraithWriter hey, that’s just an anakin thing

@@poseidenforceccj2528 still true.

Most people don’t like to bring the roof down on their heads

Everyone but Shadiversity, he's the worst among the ones you mentioned.

​@@nicolobraghini1546 Really?

​@@nicolobraghini1546shad is awesome

@@Bibitybopitybacon well, he's a pretty bad person from what I hear

I watch the same people as well, I feel like this guy really loosened up his expectations in terms of not expecting total realism from a fantasy space wizard with a laser sword, because most of the people you mentioned would be immediately pointing out the telegraphed maneuvers, spinning and putting the back to the opponent, the jedi leaving themselves hideously open during his maneuvers, and the ineffectiveness of stuff like duel wielded swords (although not impossible to use.) Obviously im in love with Star Wars and Jedi survivor particularly, it’s my main game I’m playing right now, and I’m not thinking of all those realism things when playing, but this is not a criticism, I am a fan of someone that just accepts unrealistic things and shows how they would function in real application. Lightsaber dueling is a flashy choreographed dance for the cameras, a theoretical fight between saber wielders would be much less flashy, but exponentially more brutal. I love the idea of a realistic Star Wars concept where the Jedi and with incorporate more grappling, combat force abilities, and intense, focused blade maneuvers to try to best the other. A lot less cinematic cutting of limbs and more brutal maiming with those blades.

also lightsabers are tied to the force, leading to their properties depending somewhat on their users

I mean Anakin's issue was that he had the star wars version of the devil constantly tempting him.

Clone wars paints a much darker picture, where Anakin engages in things like torture casually.

@@Justanotherconsumer War will make you do things you'd never think of doing. This fits Anakin perfectly. Anakin was a padawan and became a jedi knight in the midst of a coldwar/ actual war. War will change people and change your principles. You see it through popular media like band of brothers and saving private ryan. It was the perfect storm for anakin to become the very thing he never could have imagined. OFC Palpatine's manipulations did Anakin no favors. He was probably already hanging by a very thin wire.

Clone Wars 2008 is not canon, so no.

@@Justanotherconsumer Clone Wars 2008 is not canon, so no.

The others really don't do that.

FYI, try searching the HEMA Alliance Club Finder if you're legitimately interested in finding a historical fencing club near you.

pretty sure Dave just made the video so he could get paid to have a HEMA lesson

Most Jedi learn anti saber combat forms which is why there styles reflect that. As well as the fact that historically there were way more anti lightsaber weapons (melee) that they had to contend with. There current combat forms mirror this but you are right they are not the most efficient form the lightsaber could take for current fighting.

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