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SWTP Tigersaurus amplifier modification completed 

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After modifying the output stage to not have gain (be a buffer), I modded the input and VAS stage to run at full rail voltage and then fix the bias circuit to work with the mods.
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@FindLiberty
@FindLiberty Год назад
Nice! I miss SWTP and those good old days...
@gn_electronics
@gn_electronics Год назад
Nice work John! You have invested so much time for this project so I hope you will be well paid for such a work!
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts Год назад
Awesome work John. This was so interesting. It's nice to see a redesign of a production amp with your explanations at each step. I once had an amp that I'd repaired and it blew up once per month. I worked with a technician from the parent company for hours, trying to sort out the instability. It turns out, it didn't like the mica insulators I had used on the output pair. Went back to silicone types and it behaved. It was so close to oscillation all the time.
@peterlarkin762
@peterlarkin762 Год назад
That's really nuts. You sure it wasn't just a bad mica sheet? Im all for resurrecting amps but some stuff is inhernetly badly designed. Top marks for perseverence!
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts Год назад
@@peterlarkin762 It was a horribly designed FET amp that had a real problem with capacitance. It even had specialist values of resistors, like 16.1k ohms. Red flags when they don't even use off the shelf values for passives.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
@@tenmillionvolts Interesting problem. Probably only a few pf of capacitance difference between the insulating sheets. When my JAT501 amp had a 40MHz oscillation, just touching the tabs of the output transistors could make it stop. Fixing the ground layout and bypassing the supply near the outputs made it stable. I added base stopper resistors for insurance. I wonder if your amp used gate stoppers?
@jonlaws4493
@jonlaws4493 Год назад
Parts shortages should reduce significantly in the near future, lots of capacity coming on line.
@peterlarkin762
@peterlarkin762 Год назад
I really hope thats true. Started buying parts maybe 7 years ago and cant even get a bc560 these days. It's actually quite hard to build a lot of amp designs at the moment without transistor alternatives or multiple vendors. Im just glad Exicon are making lateral mosfets.
@jakubczajka4275
@jakubczajka4275 Год назад
@@peterlarkin762 It seems that pretty much all of old "low noise" transistors are no longer manufactured. The best I have managed to find recently are KSA992/1845 and SMT Toshibas similar to sa970/sc2240. With worse noise spec, despite datasheets using noise figure graphs from old 970/2240 datasheets.
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
John, sorry. The problem of the excessive heating of the power transistors with very low voltage in the PSU (±20VDC), was that I had the BIAS control in the ZERO OHMS position (maximum current conduction). I moved it towards 1k max resistance and the voltage issues were fixed and the power transistors cooled down for my peace of mind.  Feedbac
@andymouse
@andymouse Год назад
Great work fascinating process...cheers.
@electronash
@electronash Год назад
You again! lol We have to stop meeting like this. ;)
@andymouse
@andymouse Год назад
@@electronash Squeak !
@overbuiltautomotive1299
@overbuiltautomotive1299 Год назад
congratulations
@Alex.M.S.
@Alex.M.S. 2 месяца назад
You should ask the owner if he's willing to invest in making new PCBs for both amps with the modifications you made, to have them matched.
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
excellent analysis that eliminates possible oscillations, excellent video. I have a question about the changes .... the transistors Q3 and Q7 remain the original ones ??? . Thank you so much . Pedro .
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
I changed them as well as the voltage stress on them would be at the limit.
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
@@JohnAudioTech , thank you .
@HillsWorkbench
@HillsWorkbench Год назад
Would like to see some tests VS the unmodified one as these two are a stereo pair. S/n, distortion, can the original pass the cap test, etc.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
I'll work on this. I'll bulb limit the other amp during the cap test. Bursting into oscillation could blow the outputs.
@kurtsvids5529
@kurtsvids5529 Год назад
Glad to hear you got things sorted John. I will work on getting a Dayton trip on the calendar for pickup. I am with Anton on the testing. How about a head to head on the two units it isn't too much trouble?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
Fair request. I'll see what I can setup. Probably a "null" test where the difference between the output signals is shown.
@kurtsvids5529
@kurtsvids5529 Год назад
Sounds good. Anton and I have been noodling with these units for a while. It would be fun to see how they measure up.
@jakubczajka4275
@jakubczajka4275 Год назад
I wonder if "FNIRSI toy scope" is good enough to display crossover notch. I remember Audio Expert from British "Practical Electonics" claiming a few years ago that only analog scopes can do it.
@peterlarkin762
@peterlarkin762 Год назад
Fnirsi looks better than my old kenwood tbh!
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
I see no reason why it couldn't. Just zoom in on the crossover area and it should be clearly visible.
@CoquiAudio
@CoquiAudio Год назад
happy to see this completed so Q9 can be placed to Q10 driver thermally bound? I can do that I think
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
Yes. You might need to fine tune the heatsink size on the drivers.
@jakubczajka4275
@jakubczajka4275 Год назад
Well done! Is 3M tape or any other type of thermal pad better for power transistors than mica/grease?
@peterlarkin762
@peterlarkin762 Год назад
Aluminum oxide pads and mica has the best thermal dissipation, BUT mica has the least quality control... It should be maximum 0.05mm thick, and uniform in appearance. Kapton is used much on output transistors for various reasons. Silicon pads measure very badly compared to good mica. Edit: I used Ultimiflux pads last time, no issues since. They're made with phase change compound so what you need to do is get your amp nice and hot and tighten the outputs down further after initial install.
@paulb4661
@paulb4661 Год назад
I second the Wakefield Vette Ultimiflux pads, they're doing a great job with highly biased lateral mosfets and polished copper heatsinks. What I did was to place the entire heatsinks with transistors mounted into the oven and tightened the bolts while they were still hot.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
The 3M tapes are good when you don't need to transfer a lot of heat and use lightweight parts. Thermal characteristics are shown on the datasheet. I bought it to mount 1cm^2 5 watt COB LEDs to a heatsink. Rather expensive for a roll, but it will last a while. It is not adequate for higher power devices using conventional mounting techniques.
@user-uc5vr8le7y
@user-uc5vr8le7y 10 месяцев назад
What did the rails sag to under full output on this? Did you just test power at 8ohms? My 3 pair k134 j49 saggs to 59v rails from 69v idle at 4ohm i got 306w unclipped. This seems a bit more manly than mine. Thanks
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
Hi John, I don't want to make a long and boring letter. I am 61 years old and I have been a Piano Teacher all my life but my hobby has been electronics. When I saw the videos of the Tigersaurus modification, I was excited to repeat that modification on a Tigersaurus that had been broken I suppose by oscillations. I did everything as you showed it in the video. Using a Variac today , I was able to bring the voltage across the power supply filters down to just ± 20 vdc and touching the power transistors with my hand , I felt them get hot . It surprised me with so little voltage. Making measurements with the multimeter, with ±20vdc in PSU, in the Collectors of q20 and q22, q17 and q19 there was ±10VDC, but in the Collectors of the rest of the transistors it had voltage when in another Tigersaurus that is working it has ZERO Volt. I have a question: do you remember in the BIAS circuit in which position the 1k control was (maximum resistance or minimum resistance) when applying voltage??? . Answer me please. Thank you . Pedro .
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
Hi John , finally when you connect the amplifier to full voltage of +/- 74 vdc , both resistors R30 and R31 are replaced by two wires ??? . My question is because I don't see clearly in the final video of the anti-oscillation modifications the wires that would be used as jumpers of R30 and R31. Answer me please. Thank you so much . Pedro .
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
I used a piece of wire to short the traces together on the foil side of the board since they run next to each other to short R30, 31 out of the circuit. Of course, you could replace R30 and 31 with jumpers. C6 and C7 are no longer needed either.
@pedropianista
@pedropianista Год назад
@@JohnAudioTech You are the best .
@richardmassoth8237
@richardmassoth8237 Год назад
The SWTPC Tiger and Tigersaurus amps had strong "thumps" when coming up from the voltage drop (or power surge). Have you eliminated that problem with some of your modifications. Or do you have a soft-start circuit in the power supply for the finals. I keep worrying that I'm going to either blow my speakers or burn up the drivers on my Tiger pair. Have you resolved that issue with your mods?
@HillsWorkbench
@HillsWorkbench Год назад
Actually the .01 Tiger and the Tigersaurus tend to come up with a fairly minimal turn on pop, being that the circuit is balanced throughout, no DC level to sort out between a single-ended input stage and symmetrical output stages. If they do pop bad on turn on then I'd check that things are well balanced, no DC offset on the output when quiet.
@kurtsvids5529
@kurtsvids5529 Год назад
I concur with Hill's. No pop on any of mine.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
I don't notice a thump or pop sound either. The balanced design of these amps should keep the output quiet during powerup/down or other rail voltage transients.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred Год назад
By Jove John I think you've done it. I still say you should have just thrown a class D amplifier in the chassis and called it a day.
@andymouse
@andymouse Год назад
Philistine ! :)
@1pcfred
@1pcfred Год назад
@@andymouse It'd still say SWTPC on the outside and that's what counts.
@kurtsvids5529
@kurtsvids5529 Год назад
Heresy! But your comment made me smile.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech Год назад
Class D? EEEEEUUUUUUUUWWWW. I say fill it full of TOOOOOOOOOOBS!
@1pcfred
@1pcfred Год назад
@@JohnAudioTech that'd be so totally tubular!
@electronash
@electronash Год назад
I realize this is super nitpicky, but just in case it might help visibility of the vid: I believe you have a typo in TigersAUrus in the title. ;)
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