Thank you so much for sharing this. Brings back many childhood memories. I was born in 1992. The DD Tulloch cars were my favourite carriages. The Silver set doors closed so fast! Another thing I liked about the good old days is trains never had traction interlocking.so the doors opened and closed while the train was moving. Thanks again! :)
+Sydney Trains Vlogs in the old days the trains had sliding doors which were not motored so that the passengers had to open and close them - and in hot weather they could be left open between stations. London used to have doors like this too (before I was born) but although no-one ever fell out they were thought of as being dangerous.
Yes - You are right : You are a good judge : And that was a more sophisticated society - And the subsequent changes are not an improvement - The subsequent changes are the creation of a refuge for the shitty men - The weak : And I can assure you that no matter how long it takes - perhaps not in our lifetime - perhaps not for ten thousand years - but the FAKE “modern” will be washed away - You will triumph Your ideal will predominate -Your sensibility will be universally shared - Exactly as you have it!
At 3:08 the voice heard is my dear old colleague Mark B. I worked with him at Museum station from 1996-1998. Mark continued working at Museum until last month when he sadly passed away. R.I.P Mark
This warmed my heart seeing this. I remember thinking how boring things were getting compared to the 80s at thus time as an 18 yo but it looks so classic now. Unbelievable.
This video is pure gold! Like a time machine! C Sets and Tangaras all shiny with their original livery. Station signs with the line colours underneath the name. Doors staying open. The indicator board with the little lights infront of each stopping station. Kids just crossing the tracks. The male voice for announcements. I could go on and on! Most train footage on YT is recent and doesn't interest me. But this early 90s stuff is brilliant! BTW, did you take any footage *inside* a C set?
I was 25 in 1991 working in Kent st i would catch the train everyday i can still feel the cold in winter in the trains.Sydney was so laid back then i wish it could be like that now.
..But it was the 1990's,you could get away with anything back then. I loved the beep beep beep beep noise you used to hear when you left the Tangara trains when they first came out in the 1990's. I used to get a real thrill as a child.😊😁
When I lived in Sydney in the early 90s I remember the trains with the old manual doors which nobody bothered to close. Sometimes you were on a more modern train and the door was stuck open but the train just went anyway...it was great.
@eshay disdat Couldn't come up with a constructive argument against my feelings so go for the sledge? Clearly you have an IQ lower than your shoe size.
@Klingl3r I was in Sydney in 1991 and I'm pretty sure I traveled on all those. The red rattlers were an experience but at least the breeze running through them was nice in the summer. Loved the Tangara's at the time.
Very interesting to see how Sydney's public transport was back then... I wanted to see what a Tangara looked like back then, Also the S sets and how they where in all sorts of carriage arrangements.
I visited Sydney at the start of 1991, they operated 4 and 6 car trains back on those days on top of the 8 car trains. The Tangara trains (4 car sets) amazed me as a kid back then. The red trains were still running back then as well but I never got to ride on one. (Only Tangaras and Comengs)
@citytransportinfo The first 4 cars(The Blue striped train) of the first train and last train at Town hall is the expermental Citydecker refurb. Two 4 car trains were done. S77 and S78.
Until shortly after WW2 London also had some trains with hand operated sliding doors, I'm told by someone who still remembers them that no-one ever fell out. I wish that camcorders had existed back then!
In terms of stations, St James and Museum is as close as it gets to London. Wynyard and Town Hall had a very New York subway feel to them, except for the tube style signage (bar + circle). Circular Quay could equal the Chicago elevated railway.
Another great vid! I can almost feel the wind and smell that classic sydney subway burn't rubber smell (a bi-product from the electric motors?). Love the whining sound from the red rattler when pulling out from the platform at then end too. Damn I'd love to ride one of those again
"Daaay Oh! DA aa aay OH Dere de Lite an' I wanna go home." Its called THE BANANNA BOAT SONG. BTW all the people crossing the tracks were Indian as was the person getting into the train near the camera just after.
It's a shame you never got around to revisiting Wynyard, or do St. James, because for the latter station, you would have taped some footage of the two abandoned platforms that were started, but never completed. Since then, the abandoned platforms were hidden and a walkway between platforms 1 and 2 (which used to be platform 4) was constructed. Only a small section of the abandoned platforms exist, only made available to Sydney Trains (as they are now called) staff.
Bruce Laing I agree with you about not having filmed anything at St James, whilst passing through I remember seeing that half the station was not used, and had I known then what I know now I would have filmed something. From what you say it sounds like this station has changed more than most. I was only in Sydney for three and a bit days... I arrived early on Friday morning, on the overnight train from Melbourne. I left Sydney mid-morning on the Monday, flying back to London. With hindsight I should have stayed longer and had I known that the "red rattlers" were not used at weekends I probably would have stayed an extra day, as for that visit these were the trains I wanted to see the most. I was also planning to return when there were more than just a few Tangaras, however for various reasons this did not happen.
I thought the tunnels were used for growing mushrooms. Not sure if this is true. By the way, at ARHS book shop in Redfern theres a FANTASTIC book called, By muscle of Man and Horse, by Bill Phippen. It has a lot on how the track was made. Most of it open cut which I didn't realise. I thought only the stations were.
It would be really cool if you could revisit the Sydney Train system and maybe put together a video showing the contrasts between 1991 and the late 2010s.
Having used Town Hall for 38 years (went to school there), I would argue that contrast between the years is sadly the same for most government institutions based on promotion by change. Low management competance, political correctness, and it's disregard of station staff and safety.
I get the T4 from Platform 4, Went down the escalators one day to find two CSA's (station staff) An old lady with a leg bandage and a pool of dark red stuff. I do not know how, but I suspect a fall from the escalators. but that red stuff was a metre circumference. Yes please comfort the injured lady, but 1. COVER THE DAMN BLOOD !!! 2. STOP THE ESCALATOR so people who have a bad turn at the sight of blood do not ALSO fall down the escalator and add to the problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to blame people for this.. now I wonder if it is just that we talk to phones and electronic stuff so much, AND there are so many rules about everything that we've lost the ability to think of anyone else as human. :(
@citytransportinfo The C set is the train with the red, yellow & orange (also known as "candy") fibreglass livery, seen at 7:45. They were similar inside to the silver unpainted trains but to me as a kid I thought they looked futuristic. They were a lot brighter inside & they had non reversible vandal proof orange seats. The 1st time I rode one was in the 80s, where they actually had button operated doors (which I think confused everyone) and an opening door indicator complete with melody.
The red rattlers and their open doors amaze me, not even just the safety factor but people travelling in a poorly ventilated tunnel breathing in all the fumes. Sydney was a different place back then! I don't personally remember going on a red rattler, I was born in 89 so I'm guessing they must have been decommissioned shortly after 91. I can remember a trip to the city riding a train and a bus in Wynyard as far back as 94.
Apart from brake dust there would have been very little in the way of fumes, after all the trains were electrically powered. As for safety, I cannot speak for Sydney but here in the UK the London Underground had some trains with hand operated doors that were frequently left open and knowing the dangers passengers took responsibility for their own safety - which is why no-one fell out.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Also given that when these trains were running the homogeneous population had a higher avg iq than those that have replaced them
@Bails992 We have door closing alarms etc on trains here too. But on many routes we do not have guards anymore. In some cities (eg: Berlin, Germany) the trains have flashing lights as well as audable alarms. This was standard on East Berlin trains and after unification was extended to West Berlin trains as well. Simon
C3805 at 11:40 . C3805 was the first Comeng double deck power car and was built in 1972. It is still around today. In 1969 there were four experimental double deck power cars built by Tulloch which were of the same design as the double deck carriages on the red rattler towards the end of the video. The Tulloch power cars were in service until around 1980 when they were withdrawn. C3801 and C3803 were converted to trailers T4797 and T4799. T4797 was scrapped after a mishap on the bridge in 1982.
After watching this video again I now realize that the tangaras have a beep while the doors are open. They've never had that in recent years, my guess is they probably got rid of it when they were putting in traction interlocking back in the early 2000's.
They used to have a slow beep that activated every few seconds whilst the doors were open, followed by the faster multiple beeps as the doors closed. There were a lot of complaints from passengers & staff, especially if a train had terminated or waiting a long period of time before departing. From memory they were deactivated in the late 90's.
@cityraildude I think that the different liveries were just rebranding / marketing exercises. Hopefully someone who knows more will be able to answer better than I can. I'm pleased you liked it - I liked being able to film it and now, many years later, be able to share it. If I had of known 'then' what I know 'now' about computers, the Internet and youtube I would probably have filmed even more!!!
I use to ride in these trains, sure was loud with the doors open but was great fun, no way would a train be able to leave a station these days with the doors open, some people were hurt or killed falling out the doors.
@JoeRoss1993 Some trains had hand operated sliding doors, so they could be open between stations. For many years the same applied on some British trains - eg: in London, on Tyneside.
@Klingl3r When I was there the old trains (the red ones) were being used all day Monday - Friday. But not at weekends, which explains why I have so little film of them.
@CMCHRYSLERVALIANT I think that one train has been preserved, maybe a good place to ask is the Australian Railway Historical Society. RU-vid dont allow links in these comments, but a quick web search will point you to their website. Hope this helps Simon
C sets were retired in 2022 due to lack of computer components for the 'Chopper' control equipment. The air conditioned K sets are still in limited service in 2024 although older than the C sets.
nowadays trains have fancy electronics which ensure the train has stopped before the doors open and are fully closed before it departs - this adds time to overall station stop durations and reduces train capacity on that route, which at busy times is a problem
+citytransportinfo I really enjoy these videos of the Cityrail system in its early years. I am currently making a video for my channel on the Hustory of Cityrail and was wondering if you would allow me to use some parts of this footage. If you agree you will be credited in the video and comments.
I been in many stations and subways all over the world, but Museum station has always been one of my favourites. The architecture was so unique. Does it still exist?
The general ambience of the platform area and its roof tiling at Museum station reminded me of the older Paris Metro stations. With hindsight I should have spent a little less time at Museum and also filmed at St James! re: your question as to whether it still exists, I think it does - as I am in London England it is not possible for me to visit the station to see for myself
@paulhill7928 yes, Museum station still exists and is in regular use to this day. It has old vintage posters on the walls to replicate how it would've been last century, it really is frozen in time and you should totally check it out if you can.
No interlocking on these older trains. Recently a teenager died in Melbourne. when his mates held the train door for him, for like a minute or 2. The interlocking safety timed out, enabling the driver to leave the station. 2 of the lads mates made it onto the moving train but he fell. I like trains but man, ya gotta respect them, they are massive & dangerous.
yeah.. A kid from my school St Andrews tried getting on an accelerating Town Hall train with his cricket bag, school bag and his bat in the other hand. The guard saw what was coming and Held the bell down, so the train was already slowing when the kid missed the step up, and put his leg between train and platform. He got a scrape or two and shock, but the worst was the blackening from the platform side covered most of his leg. The blackening was probably from the steam era and was like tar :P
almost all of my filming was at the weekend when traffic is usually much lighter, often I filmed underground locations in the evenings - I tended to avoid busy times (especially rush hours) as I wanted to see the trains - and this is not possible when the platforms are full of people!
It's so good to hear the different sets of electric trains blowing their horns when leaving the platform. And certain parts of this great video, bring back many memories including the announcer too. Makes today's etr trains seem quite boring. And how stupid to basically phase out blowing the horn when leaving a platform and now it seems that there are no whistle signs for the Town Hall dive and Waverton and North Sydney tunnels. How about safety and what trains sound like ?
In London trains railway blow their horns when leaving a station, when I was in Sydney I never quite understood why this was necessary on high-frequency urban rail services.
I see where trains blowing their horns is for safety reasons. Any track workers ahead would know that a train is approaching, blind people would be more aware of a train leaving the platform. Gives the train some character and gives the driver something to do!
@slugnbozo Thanks! btw, which is the C Set? The train with the unpainted ribbed side? One of the unfinished films includes footage inside some of the trains, although I am not sure which type. I also have still images which will be in one of the films - I was going to use them in the film which also has some 1988 Super 8 cine film, but 2 nights ago my film projector broke, so until its repaired I cannot digitise any of my cine films :-( Simon [now trying to find someone to repair it!]
What is the difference between the silver trains with the blue stripe and the ones without? Also, the text is a bit too fast and I can't read it but other than that 6 stars out of 5!
Did Tangara Trains run the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra line back then? When did the Tangara's first get their upgrade? I was born in 2001 so I'm asking all about it I'm interested, and thanks for sharing this :)
They did. When introduced into service, the Tangara's were operating out of Mortdale Depot which serviced and still services the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line. Back then however, S sets were really common on the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra lines, while Tangaras were commonly seen on the East Hills, Bankstown, South, Western, North Shore and Northern Lines.
No, not even train guard announcements. Ya just got sandwhiched. Slow & primitive compared to today, but 20 years earlier, it would've mostly single deckers & everything ( inc the few double deck trailers) painted dark red.
I think the announcement was "Station whistle" "Guard whistle" "Station Whistle" (at this point sometimes one of them would shout "all aboard" or something like that) Doors close.
The trains used to go to cowan now they go to past hornsby towards i forgot like the T1 line past Asquith towards some where idk where the waratahs go now
thats how it should be (doors close - start travelling), as every second of delay reduces track capacity - which means that at busy times fewer trains can be run and overcrowding results
You don't hear music at the trian stations these days as most if not ALL people have music on their phones or have earphones in their ears obvilous to the world around them.
it was found that young people disliked certain types of music and actually went somewhere else to hang out. This reduced the vandalism and hooliganism.
After the renovations were almost complete at Museum in 1997, Cityrail had to obtain a commercial broadcasting license to play Mix-FM on the station. The name was misleading - they would often play the same songs every day of the week & sometimes particular songs up to 6 times each 24hr period. It got irritating real quick. One Friday night we had a relief Assistant Station Master - when he went home I changed it to Wild-FM. The younger passengers my age going clubbing in the city that night appreciated it, but executive management weren't happy when they found out 🤣
The crossers at 3:57 and the guy getting in at 4:22 were indian or more likely Jamaicans.. Reason why is my answer to another question.. The song DAY OH which someone is singing here is the Jamaican 'The Bananna Boat' song.
