Sydney just got a new rail map - and a lot's changed! 

The design of the new map makes me think they wanted to spend an absolute minimum of time on it. The city section is exactly the same size, despite the three new stations now crammed into the already cramped space. Putting the light rail on the map would mean a pretty significant redesign of this section, which it already needs, but they clearly don’t want to.

9:20 The extra capacity created by removing the Bankstown line from other lines, primarily the city circle, is one of the main justifications for converting the current line.

The brown color comments make me laugh because it's really a non-issue. Both Chicago and NYC have brown colored lines. Chicago's brown is darker than NYC's and is one of the city's more popular lines serving Chicago's upscale north side. You're right about the M1 color and line treatment. I don't like different styles of lines unless the difference is really an important distinction for the public. I don't believe the difference between the M1 line and the other Sydney train lines is an important one for riders and the hollow line treatment for M1 begs more questions than it answers. You're also right about the map needing to show the light rail lines. Looking at Chicago again with many L lines in the Loop, the Chicago L map does have a large Loop inset to more clearly show the many rail lines through it. Sydney should do the same thing.

Just a reminder there had already been trains from the city to Liverpool (and even Campbelltown) via Regents Park in the 80s and 90s, until successive governments (both Labor and Libs) rekt the whole train line. It's kinda just going back to what it should have been, just like 30-40 years ago.

I’m from Melbourne, where the very idea of overlaying a ‘light rail’ (tram) map on top of the train map, makes my head spin. Great to see Sydney investing in new lines, though. And thanks Moose for another excellent video.

Good Video. They should have taken the opportunity to rename the airport stations. On the metro, the new airport station is called ‘Airport, whereas the existing stations on the T8 are called ‘Domestic’ and ‘International.’ Maybe the airport identifiers should have been included to avoid confusion, especially for visitors & tourists. For example the metro station could be Western Sydney Airport, and the T8 stations could be Sydney Domestic and Sydney International

Thank you for your comment on Sydney getting a second airport rail line before Melbourne even gets one! It's maddening. The owners of Melbourne Carpark... sorry, Melbourne Airport seem to have far too much say and if they have their way a train line will never be built. They insist it must go underground. They say so the airport can be expanded, but really it's because if it is underground people can't see it and might think there isn't a train to the airport. Anyway, it really annoys me that Sydney, Brisbane and now Perth have an airport rail line with there being no sign we will ever see one in Melbourne. OK, off my high horse now. Thanks for the video, very interesting thoughts.

Thanks for this, much appreciated.

Thanks for the most interesting video. I have a special interest in the Bankstown line, as my previous family home was in Marrickville and I lived there, until moving to Melbourne in mid 1981. As a young child, I even remember riding trams along Illawarra Road in Marrickville, prior to their closure in 1957. It will be interesting to see how they cope with no train service on the Bankstown line for twelve months and then having the Metro take over. Anyway, thanks for keeping us updated on the progress there.

Yeah, I agree with you especially with the light rail needing to be apart of the maps because I know some of the stations have BOTH a light rail AND train lines - parra, central, westmead etc

Excellent and very informative video, thank you very much.

Super good critique about the design! More people should pay attention to this!

I remember being really confused when I first saw the map with the grey line for metro city & southwest as it looked like Crows Nest & Victoria Cross were infill stations being built along the existing corridor.

The North West Metro needs to be extended to St Marys. Then it can go to the new airport. This would relieve the congestion on the existing western rail line.

I agree with you regarding the light rail lines. If you have time would love to see how you would style the Metro white space & Light rail into the new maps.

That brown is probably closer to the brown used way back in the 80's

The Route 67 tram line in Melbourne is a brown line colour too. I don't mind it at all for the Bankstown shuttle!

We're making progress! I sure hope they continue to put money into these projects. They are so necessary.

excited for the new metro services 🔥

I wish they would link the new western Sydney airport line further south with the Leppington line instead of stopping at Aerotropolis.

The new T6 between Bankstown and Lidcombe should be a branch of the Liverpool and Inner West Line. An Inner West service could be an all stops Redfern to Bankstown via Lidcombe. The Liverpool service could then run all stops Liverpool to Lidcombe and then limited services to Redfern. It could make a stop at Ashfield so passengers can interchange between the 2. Similarly the T2 could do all stops between Liverpool and Lidcombe via Granville, and then fill in the gaps between the T3 Liverpool service. The major interchanges like Granville, Lidcombe, and Strathfield already have the luxury of using the Western Line which does not stop at any Inner West stations.

I use the map on the app because sometimes a station is closed but if you look at the map you can find other routes that might include a little walk

With St Peters and Erskinville stations, it would be interesting to see if there will be frequent services accompanying those two stations if the trains are coming from the East Hills line again after nearly 25 years. The NSW government should have created an all stations to Hurstville service stopping at those two stations as well as Tempe and Banksia which not many trains stop at. I'd like to see a direct train from Hurstville to City Circle again as I haven't seen such a service since 1979 when the Eastern Suburbs line had opened, but that's not likely to happen.

As awful as rail replacement buses are, and as much complaining there is about it, the people impacted are about to get the most modern, direct and likely reliable train line to the CBD…. 😊 8:00

Back in the 1980s, the Inner West (Loop) Line was coloured brown on the map, before it was split into two lines (coloured lilac and tan).

on all the new tracks how far are the stops apart? in perth all the tracks over the last 30 years have built stations 3 to 6 km apart on Joondalup, Airport, Ellenbrook and Mandurah lines. In fact on the Mandurah line you're even seeing distances up to 10km apart.

T6 could be connected via a tunnel to T7 to further improve access to Olympic Park. The new St Mary's to the airport metro line should be extended to connect to T5 at Leppington. Network maps are important for travellers and including as many modes as possible on one map is worth aiming for.

The bigger issue is why they haven’t joined the Martin Place stations on the map! Makes no sense.

I had been wondering about the fate of Erskineville and St. Peters once the Bankstown line is converted to Metro. Thanks for the update It also means that trains will run at Erskineville and St Peters out to East Hills for the first time since 1989.

For what My 2 cents is worth on the map the metro line should be placed east of the current north shore line , I have heard numerous complaints about the new T3 line the thing is that we don’t what the stopping patterns will be east of Lidcombe yet and we want find out until the new timetable is released until metro starts operating to Sydenham and apparently the Bankstown to Lidcombe line is only promised till at least until 2030 according to some reports, also I think the light rail lines should be kept off the map as it would become very crowded in my opinion

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Think they could easily add the light rail to the map by making a zoomed section of Sydney City and Parramatta off to the side of the main network map. Sort of how all Australian electoral maps have Sydney and Melbourne on a separate page

I always thought the Bankstown line was brown but I must be remembering the old Sydney System days. I just checked the previous map and it’s … ORANGE? Heh. Surprise surprise. I guess the 1980s signage must have had an oversize impact - they always put the line colours on the station sign, in stripes beneath the name.

Recently , when travelling on the Metro between Chatswood and Castle Hill , I hear an announcement as follows: " this is an all stations service to Tallawong " I have not noticed this previously , so does this imply that there will be express services once the city extension is operational ? I brought up the subject of the fact that the stations on the Bankstown line are numerous and closely spaced , and that the speed of a Metro train would be compromised due to this fact , with a senior guide at the Victoria Cross Station open day. The reply was that the train would not be stopping at every station , which I assumed meant running express services . How can this be possible without passing loops?

Nice vid

The T6 now is gonna change to the T2 in the future rail plan. Until then they're just using it as a stop gap whenever they can lol. And it really is kinda inconvenient that Light Rails aren't shown in the maps would make things way easier.

It’s better to just turn some of these into north south crosstown lines like T7 replacing the T3 and overhaul the T5 making them segregated high frequency lines

I think T7 and the new T6 should be a single line, providing a smooth connection from the growing Olympic Park to the extended Inner West via Metro

If London can use brown for the Bakerloo I don't see any problem with using brown in Sydney (The inner Ring line in Moscow is brown)

During a the shut down all T3 trains run limited stops so I assume this new timetable will be very similar to

I always get irrationally angry at the lack of light rail lines on our rail map. There's no reason for them not to be there.

Will the T9 still "continue as" T1 north of Gordon? This is so confusing.

The brown T line colour is a great colour. 👍💚

buses do actually get called out on metro line trains

GET BLOODY PARRAMATTA OFF T2 & GIVE ALL STATION TO CITY VIA STRATHFIELD BACK TO BANKSTOWN T6.

12 months of bus replacement during conversion is pretty good going - took a good 4 years to change the East London Line from 'Tube' to 'Overground' spec \m/

You show a map where the physical Metro and Sydney Rail not only run more or less parallel but overlap. Abstracted that legitimately would be parallel lines. The stations of the two systems on the map are not shown in proximity to each other. There is no hint of cross station interchange where there is none. Barangaroo station is in fact on the edge of the CBD. If you pick that up from the abstraction the map is working.

Good video. Extensively explains the map. Could use "Chocolate color" instead of Brown if it's so bad :D

They can't even manage and have the trains come on time without all the new lines. Pretty crazy how they think they can add all these things.

Seriously the new airport like can’t be real, I went to Penrith at the weekend and including the three stops on the lite rail was 1:35min. That would be a 2 hour journey on the train from Sydney.

The map is only a relic of the past if the network is a relic of the past. In cities with great transport infrastructure, the map is all you will ever need.

Anyone know what the journey time will be into the city from the new rail line from the Western Sydney airport?

When I was a kid, I was hooked on maps and Lonely Planet guidebooks. I had a Sydney guidebook and the map in the back was that CityRail map with the lilac line. I used to ogle that map all the time, I was such a nerd 😅 you’ve made my day showing that old map with the old plan to run trains from Chatswood to parramatta. How long have you been in Australia for? I imagine you never experienced those maps. 😊

My Plan for T8 is that Train Services to Macarthur & Campbelltown will use the Line Via Sydenham and Revesby and East Hills Services will go Via the Airport Link. So the Bottleneck between Turrella and Wolli Creek will be Reduced.

yeah they should make a close up map of sydney cbd

The Sydney Metro airport rail link makes no sense at all. Why can't they just connect Paramatta and St Mary's station using the metro line since they have taken so much effort to build the two lines already? Nobody is going to take a long T1 train journey to Airport West to transfer here and there and it's just going to end up like Montréal-Mirabel International Airport.

I hope they build commuter carparks at the suburban metro stops

Light Rail stations are too close together to be put on a map with the scale of trains and the metro. they should remain from being there. Imagine squeezing all the stops from central to dulwich hill (L1 Line) on that map

My guess for the M1 line being shown parallel to T1 is CN and VC metro stations are a short walk from STL and NS train stations. Debatable and certainly not an ideal walk... I hope the new T6 becomes more than just a shuttle. If it's a near pointless line then no doubt government will look to close or replace it with trams as they did the Carlingford line (should have been a metro line!).

Instead of putting light rail on train maps, I’d rather see a map combining T-way buses, Lightrail and B-line buses. But I know that’s weird.

Re M1 motorway: You described the F3, not the M1. The M1 goes anywhere the Highway 1 used to, which means: - The F1 is the M1 (Warringah Freeway) - The ED is the M1 (Eastern Distributor) - The F6 is the M1 (Southern Freeway) - The Pacific Highway is the M1 (North Coast where it’s upgraded) - The Gore Hill Freeway is the M1 They should probably make the M11 and M2 down to Lane Cove into the M1 too, but the M2 should also extend to Castlereagh and that’s a whole other story. At least the M11 has any label at all, finally.

Victoria Cross and North Sydney Stations are a 5 Minute Walk.

the t6 brown color is fitting for the demographic of the area lol

all double deck train lines makes sydney unique.

What about ferries?

Such a waste that the T6 is just going to be a shuttle. At the very least they could combine it with the T7. I think ideally it should go to parramatta alongside the T2. It makes a lot of sense actually, to have one line (the T3) going into the city, and one (the T6) going to parramatta, as a lot of western sydney residents are more likely to go to the latter. At the very least I hope some peak hour services will run such a route. Alternatively, they could turn it into an additional route up the main north line, however I'd rather that such a line go to parramatta. Also, some train announcements do mention local buses.

I live in yagoona, my mum lives in birrong lol

When metro coming T4 bro

I feel like they should make erskinville and st peters metro/train station and not make them and Sydenham park of the T8

What is the point of the stupid shuttle why not have the metro reach the rerouted T3?

I have nothing against brown, I just don't know why they didn't use purple

I suspect the particular shade of brown is to make it easier for colour-blind (5% of the population).

are you from australia? your voice is confusing. great video as always though. terrific content on this channel

Why not just build a new metro line instead of converting the perfectly functioning bankstown line?

is this guy an AI? not sure if its the frequent head movements which are exaggerated when i watch at 2x speed, but it looks generated.

why not unify t6 and t7 into on slightly longer line.

Totally correct, I agree show it as it reflects whats on the ground. Some public servant TRANSPORT NSW employed has small voice or dominated by a gorilla of an ego.

show me the map

Only 41k views in 2 weeks. They really fell off

is it just me or he kind of looks like robot

Mister City Moose - you are looking very cute!

The T8 splitting between two paths in the middle of the route just sounds very confusing as a user. So many people are gonna hop on the wrong train and get confused when their T8 doesn't go to where the T8 is meant to go. I would much prefer to see Erskineville and St Peters solely served by the T4, and the T8 only go through the airport tunnel

Why they're converting the Bankstown line when so many other places need it more is truly beyond me. Such a waste of money and resources.

Please lose the background music, it's distracting

A very messy map but worst of all UNAESTHETIC!

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Very out of date video footage. You need to actually research what the Sydney area looks like NOW!

melbourne already has a train to the airport (almost) take the train to Broadmeadows then the 901 bus to the airport.

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