You wouldn't survive a day in any big city around the world then it seems... Try going to Tokyo and on their trains, packed in, but extremely safe, and you still get to your destination right on time.
Yes, the milestone of when Sydney threw it's principles out the window and had to fix the mistakes it made years later. Metro trains aren't suited for this line, just the government has no patience and decided to turn the next proposed line into a metro, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is not a good idea.
I cannot ignore the fact that these trains look great, and they are probably the most "cutting edge" "metro" trains in the world right now, top of the line best of the best. Yet I also cannot ignore that they have assumed way too much about them. First of all they will not ever be the backbone of the Sydney public transport system, as it is obvious the improvements will be made to make the existing system, and it will certainly make the metro completely obsolete if they decide to add an automatic train operation system (and yes this is part of the ideas mentioned by the head, Howard Collins) I agree that metro trains have their place, but a metro trains' place has always been, and will always be - a system to move passengers around THE CBD, not take them in to the CBD for far away suburbs. If Sydney wants single deck trains they need to make the city circle a metro and have all trains (except north shore and Bondi Junction) terminate at Central from the south. If I look into the future all I can see happening in the North West Metro being shortened and replaced with more suitable trains, then it will revolve it's self more around the city.
@@christelledeo7528 actually parts are manufactured by local ancillary companies. Integrated coach factory is just the assembly point India has long history of rail and automobile manufacturing .
D G That’s the good thing as we have double decker trains which are the best option for Sydney as Double Decker trains carry more people and seat more than stand
I have been travelling on the sliver trains between Newcastle and Central station for about 2-3 decades. Will the 'new trains' replace the old trains that travel between Hamilton & Wickham to Sydney? Facing backwards for the trip to and from Cnetral is terrible, Will the sets be able to change to face the direction the train is travelling?
No, these trains are running on one line that does not go anywhere near Newcastle. Also the seats face sideways, and you cannot change their direction. The new trains that will replace those silver ones you are talking about are coming in 2019.
Robert S. Lamborn The New Intercity Trains will unfortunately cease the operation of the V Sets. And yes the D sets will have fixed seating unfortunately. Ps D Sets are the New Intercity Fleet.
What is everyone taking about. First of all: When someone says it would have been better if it was double decker, we literally mean it would have been better if the trains in this video had a second deck, EVERYTHING else can remain the same. It CAN be segregated from the rest of the network as long as the LOADING GAUGE and the ability to change the path of the lines remains possible in the future. I fully agree with everything about the north west metro, except for the fact that they think these trains can carry more people than the exact same thing, just with, the space between the doors split into two decks, one on the other. You cannot argue that the same thing just double deck would have more physical space, yet the same amount of doors, acceleration, top speed, loading time, headways, almost everything. The government failed to do their homework properly, or they purposely did it wrong for what ever reason. SECONDLY: Double deck trains does not always mean more seats, it can also mean more standing space depending on the layout. A while ago Sydney Trains did testing where they added more standing space to some tangaras on the western line. It was unsuccessful as people purposely avoided the standing space because they did not want to stand. If find it extremely wishful thinking that these trains will ever carry more passengers than the low number of seats they will have. Passengers are likely to purposely avoid trains without seats, and if they have to stand for more than three days in a row they will drive instead. -Even if it takes an hour longer.
I live in a city with single deckers (Brisbane) and Sydney is noticeably slower to load when visiting. The moment people step inside a Sydney train they seem to hesitate just inside the door, and look up and down the two staircases to find a spot, wasting time and clogging the door.
Just got back from visiting Sydney. After the 26th November time table change they have massively increased efficiency with entering and exiting the trains. I counted a stop time of 32 seconds, including door opening, closing and break release times. This was during a highly congested period at town hall. That is extremely good even when compared to London, where during peak trains wait for up to 45 seconds. Also I live in Brisbane and can say that Sydney's trains now load just as quickly.
El Emeno Pea So true, if you see these days people have stopped catching the metro as they have barely any seats and only standing room, the metros aren’t the right thing for Sydney and hopefully they scrap it like the monorail. We need an actual train system in the hills!
This is simply the wrong way to approach moving people in Sydney. Metros are for physically small densely populated cities like London, Paris, Moscow, etc. This metro is by far the biggest in the world in terms of the length of the line. It should be a double decker because they have a greater line capacity than single deckers (with upgraded signalling their headways can be the same as singe decker). Would be compatible with the rest of the network. And if they want to the can make them driverless. Wrong solution for the wrong place.
You are wrong in your presumptions, firstly Sydney is growing fast, so this will futureproof Sydney in having population growth form along major serviced transport nodes. You can't grow Sydney on areas not serviced, so this will pull in development along the route, which will take care of ridership in the long run. Secondly, the double deckers are woefully equipped for fast turnaround times in peak hour. Even having everyone sitting on such trains is not the most efficient configuration for a speedy commuter line to manage itself. Yes, alot complain about the lack of comfort, but Sydney wants to become one of the big boys, with its population set to increase by another million in just over a decades time, so this is what is needed to meet the demand and scalable for future Sydney. It also resolves having the system clogged up with dependencies as seen on the existing Tangara lines which are a spaghettified mess, one breakdown slows everything down. The future is single deck driverless trains gradually replacing many of the existing lines and making them segregated tracks with turn up and go schedules, forever doing away with timetables on busy segments of our train network.
WE don't know what will happen to population. My hope is that it stabilises as there is no benefit in haveig a larger city (considering both positive and negative externalities). Here are some figures for you to digest. Double decker always beats single deck in line capacity (when headways are similar, which they can be) Metro and urban trains are completely different and should be implemented as appropriate. Sydney’s population and topography are suited to urban trains not metros. Metro Sydney Metro Cudgegong Rd to Bankstown 65 km, line capacity 42,000 per hour Paris Metro: 16 lines, 300 stations, total route length 218km, headways of 85 seconds; total area covered about 60sq. km, roughly an area covered by Maroubra- Earlwood-Macquarie Park-Manly. Just one line of the Sydney metro is about a quarter of the total length of the total Paris Metro Urban lines (compare Paris RER and Sydney Trains) Paris RER Line A 108.5 km, 46 stations Headway: 2 minutes Trainset eg MI09, 2,600 passengers per set, five cars, each has three large doors on both sides, 2,600 seated and standing passengers or 23 pax per metre Line capacity one direction at 3 minute headways= 52,000 (greater if 2 min headway) Transposed to Sydney: line A would be the equivalent of Cowan to Campbelltown via Central. Sydney Trains Headway 3 minutes, A-Set 896 seated, crush capacity 1,750 or 10.5 per metre of trainset, line capacity one direction 35,000 per hour (Sydney trains says only 23,000 but this may be for seated only) Try this article images.smh.com.au/file/2013/09/23/4770519/trains.pdf See this article which describes how headways for RER line A were reduced to 2 minutes w5.siemens.com/france/web/fr/sts/en_france/Documents/Fiche_RER_A_en_2012.pdf TfNSW / LNP gov't opted for single deck metro so they could get around the union, but it is an inferior system!
Chris O'Rourke: Completely correct Chris, the Single deck metro is a bit of a joke, but if you really think about it, the Metro will not be that popular anyway, it is being built in a currently very empty area, and even if it does become more popular there is no way it will overtake the western line in passenger numbers, so really it doesn't need double deck trains. Although they could have solved so many problems if they were double deck.
It's not just us: read the report on front page of Sydney Morning Herald (19Dec): four rail experts say "Metro trains are best suited to highly populated, densely trafficked areas ...not to long park-and-ride journeys?
RATP have given up on 2 min headways and have reverted back to 2.5 min intervals. They were basically never able to achieve 2 min headways consistently, and reliably.
NSW Transport Photographer just real shambolic. Even Wade Noonan just pointed out how you got to ensure the trains will cater for the Australian conditions and the environment. If you’re wondering how to achieve that grandeur, it’s for one thing. Top safety standards!
How is it going to put drivers out of work. It's a brand new line, so there were no drivers in the first place. 2nd, what matters is that this part of Sydney will have much improved mobility, and the trains will be more frequent around the clock than any other line (None of this BS of waiting 15 mins or longer between trains) The economic activity of the thousands upon thousands of NW residents using the lineeach day is more significant than the handful of jobs that might have existed if it these trains were manually driven.
Gavin Seipelt I will not refute the second point, I never said it wouldn’t improve Sydney’s public transport, because it will without question. But this also sets a precedent for the future where there is scope to replace more and more lines with this technology. So yes, my original point still stands. It has the potential to put drivers out of work in the future.
I'd rather have the transport wage budget spent on increasing the frequency and coverage of station feeder buses. A lot of Sydney suburbs will never have rail on their doorstep. Automating train lines allows this to happen.
But that's the point, you aren't putting people out of work, you are employing people as bus drivers, which at this stage, is a bit of a way off automation. Or do you view bus drivers as 2nd class or something? The bus frequencies in outer suburbs are even more of a joke than off peak rail frequencies...Often 30 to 60 minute waits between buses, and often nothing after 7pm. If it's a choice between having more train drivers, or having more bus drivers, then clearly the public benefit more if we have them driving buses, and automating the trains as the backbone. As for empathy, well given I'm concerned with maximising the number of people who are within easy reach of frequent, environmentally friendly transport, I've got more empathy than you!
It is the trendy name at the moment...and i hate trends for the sake of name changing. But if it works, it works. Sydney used to pride itself sometimes on originality. See what happens. Most of the time the word trendy, and commonsense don't mix. A trend is just that. Short term.
The government is having to alter the entire Blue Mountains line to fit trains which it bought off the shelf (but don't' fit it by a few cm). Their justification is that this will upgrade the Blue Mountains line to the same standard as the rest of the Sydney system and it can then be fully integrated with the rest of the Sydney system. This Metro Line shows what nonsense all that is, as the Metro trains are completely different from the rest of the Sydney system and can't be integrated with it. This shows that. in fact, the government doesn't care about integration with the system. Actually the Government made a mistake when it bought the new Blue Mountains trains and should have had them made in NSW. Now they will have to spend who knows how much money upgrading the Blue Mountains line (at great inconvenience to Blue Mountains commuters), which will surely be more costly than buying the trains to fit the line in NSW. The truth about the Metro line is that the tunnels are very expensive and that by making the rail line narrow gauge they made the tunnels a llot cheaper to build - but a narrow gauge line has nothing like the capacity or the comfort possible with the standard gauge line on the rest of the Sydney system. The Metro line is quickly going to be full to capacity with people who have to stand up all the way because of the smaller carriages and lack of seating.
Sydney Metro IS integrated! There will be and interchange with the primary system, which is good enough for me! Same with ticketing, as it will use Opal!
I definitely don't want to see Sydney loose it's iconic suburban/metro hybrid, but this Metro system is also GREAT! Sydney Metro/Trains for the win in an integrated and coexisting system!
Should be 100% made in Australia! We need some of that new American spirit here. We dont need to put Chinese to work when we can spend on our people and give them jobs as well
@@pixelplayz8950 lol please don't be so much ignorant and do some research and accept the fact that this train and all other future Australia metro trains will be made in India
@@prabarau2531 it's NO INDIAN technology, like a Mazda Factory in Thailand produce car using Japanese car technology and export to other country include to India Please shut up your comment if you don't know about fact don't be a OVERPROUD to your country!!!!!
