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Symphony No.10 in E flat major - Ludwig van Beethoven / Barry Cooper 

Sergio Cánovas
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London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Wyn Morris
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Before Beethoven had completed his Ninth Symphony in 1824, he had already started jotting down ideas for a Tenth (a similar overlap had occurred in his Fifth and Sixth symphonies). He worked on this new symphony sporadically from 1822 onwards, with the latest known sketches dating from October 1825; but at the time of his death in March 1827 only the first movement had been worked on in any detail. His friend Karl Holz later reported having heard him play it on the piano and gave a brief description: a gentle introduction in E-flat major followed by a powerful Allegro in C minor. But even this movement was evidently far from being completely written down and there are no clear indications of what was to follow in later movements.
Like most of Beethoven't sketches for other works, those for the Tenth symphony are scattered in several different sketch manuscripts (four main ones plus a number of subsidiary ones have so far been identified). As usual, they are unlabelled and almost illegible to anyone not well acquainted with Beethoven's idiosyncratic handwriting. Consequently, it was not until the 1980s that any of them were identified with any certainty. In the meantime, rumours about the Tenth Symphony, started mainly by Holz and Anton Schindler, had fuelled speculation that there might be a complete manuscript hidden away somewhere or alternatively that the symphony had never been begun and that the rumours were without foundation.
Now, however, we are a little clearer and more than 50 sketches are known, although many questions remain unanswered and it is possible that more sketches may yet be discovered. All the sketches are very fragmentary, with none containing more than about 30 bars of continuous music; but to someone familiar with Beethoven's normal sketching methods they do give a clear idea of the sort of movement he had in mind. Moreover, they contain some very good material. It therefore seems very well worthwhile to try and make them available for performances by filling them out into a performing version, rather than leaving them in archives where they can be of use only to a few specialists. After all, the sketches represent sound rather than shapes on paper, and they cannot be fully assessed until they have been heard, and preferably heard in an appropriate orchestral setting.
Barry Cooper had already studied Beethoven's sketches for numerous other works, in connection with a book he was writing (Beethoven and the Creative Process), and therefore felt he was in a better position than most scholars to attempt a completion of the first movement, even though the task at first seemed impossibly daunting. Altogether there are around 250 bars of sketches for the first movement. Some duplicate or contradict each other, leaving less than 200 usable; but many of these can be used more than once, by means of repetitions and reprises such as occur in all of Beethoven's symphonies (for example, a theme sketched for the exposition will recur in the recapitulation). The sketches thereby provide us with well over 300 bars, while the remaining 200 bars or so (out of 531) have had to be adapted from the same basic themes by various means (e.g. by transposition and sequence) and developed in the way Beethoven normally did. Thus, all the basic thematic material is Beethoven's; but appropriate harmony has had to be added in places where it is missing, the movement has had to be orchestrated in Beethoven's style (with the aid of only a few clues in the sketches), and linking passages based on Beethoven's themes have been inserted where necessary.
The result is obviously not exactly what Beethoven would have written, and in certain places in particular he would probably have been more imaginative. It also sounds more typical of middle period than late Beethoven, although this may be due to the close connections with the early piano sonatas. Nevertheless, it does provide at least a rough impression of the movement he had in mind at the time of the sketches and is certainly far closer to Beethoven's Tenth symphony than anything previously heard. It is therefore likely to be found extremely interesting by anyone wanting to know what he planned for the symphony that was to have followed the Ninth; moreover it can also be appreciated as a piece of music, in a way that the fragmentary sketches on their own could never be.
Picture: [To the left] "Portrait of Ludwig van Beethoven when composing the Missa Solemnis" (1820) by the German painter Joseph Karl Stieler. [To the right] "Beethoven" (1987) by the American artist Andy Warhol.
Source: web.archive.org/web/200902032...

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Комментарии : 33   
@arielrgh
@arielrgh 3 года назад
I first learnt of this piece when I was in high school, back in the late 90s. It has blown my mind since, it has remained a favourite. I know it's not pure genuine Beethoven music, but I still love it, about as much as the rest of his music.
@ikennaonyegbula6062
@ikennaonyegbula6062 2 года назад
When I first heard this, I didn't fully appreciate it, but after listening to the AI version of this symphony, I appreciate this a lot more.
@SergioCánovasCM
@SergioCánovasCM 2 года назад
I couldn't agree more, to listen to that attempt was a complete embarrassment.
@pizzacheeto
@pizzacheeto 2 года назад
I think that the AI completion should be viewed only as some sort of experiment that holds little to no musicological value. It seems that it's really an exercise for the AI to see whether or not it's going to produce any valuable output that incorporates some Beethoven (which is interesting, to say the least). Completions like Cooper's should be viewed a little differently, as an exploration into Beethoven's style of composition rather than what the great master may have done. We know for sure that no one is ever going to get anywhere close.
@rolandmeyer3729
@rolandmeyer3729 11 месяцев назад
You underestimate the power of future A.I.
@joyis9638
@joyis9638 11 месяцев назад
Thank you and great background information in your video intro section.
@danielalexander5693
@danielalexander5693 9 месяцев назад
Betthoven est connu pour incorporer son génie tout au long de l’élaboration de ses œuvres jusqu’à la dernière main qui fait souvent la différence. Ce qu’on entend là c’est bien du Beethoven mais comme si on lui avait retiré 60% de son génie, de cette touche finale inimitable. Gros travail qui permet de se faire une bonne idée du processus de création.
@canman5060
@canman5060 2 года назад
I came across the sketches of the 10th symphonies in the early 1970's and the CD presentation lecture and performance did not come about until 1988.
@ClassicalMusic-ds9yt
@ClassicalMusic-ds9yt 2 года назад
very beautiful
@jasonyang9653
@jasonyang9653 3 года назад
Very interesting!
@luden6794
@luden6794 4 года назад
Charming
@nobodytooimportant3621
@nobodytooimportant3621 Год назад
Adante 1-0:00 Allegro- 6:00 Adante 2-15:18
@SelectCircle
@SelectCircle 2 года назад
I totally dig it - no reservations whatsoever.
@joyis9638
@joyis9638 11 месяцев назад
I have a 2nd movement of the 10th performed by the City of Birmingham Orchestra and conducted by Walter Weller. I will upload in the not so far future. Their 1st movement is about a minute shorter than the one you have posted here.
@SamuelFurse
@SamuelFurse 3 года назад
An interesting realisation. Sounds a lot like Mendelssohn in places.
@douglasklein9790
@douglasklein9790 2 года назад
Sounds like Brahms Serenade No. 1 and somewhat like Haydn
@raymondgood6555
@raymondgood6555 8 месяцев назад
@@douglasklein9790yes, Brahms!
@ivanboskovic1260
@ivanboskovic1260 3 года назад
Never enough B.
@areloTET
@areloTET 8 месяцев назад
We were lucky we got our hands on more sketches by Beethoven than by Mozart. Mozart’s wife wanted to preserve the myth of Mozart’s musical superpowers by destroying his sketches. At least we got like 10% of Mozart’s sketches (pathetic amount but still remarkable)
@walterpadelford8512
@walterpadelford8512 2 года назад
El himno de la papa..
@BlendedMozart
@BlendedMozart 9 месяцев назад
Update: As of October 2021, AI helped complete the Symphony
@SergioCánovasCM
@SergioCánovasCM 9 месяцев назад
I checked that completion and it was extremely underwhelming. AI technology still has a long way to go, even if we are starting to see the huge amount of potential it has.
@BlendedMozart
@BlendedMozart 9 месяцев назад
@@SergioCánovasCM they only did movements 3 and 4, but not movement 2 from what I could find
@captainpugwash6889
@captainpugwash6889 4 года назад
10th? I thought he only scored 9???
@SergioCánovasCM
@SergioCánovasCM 4 года назад
Please, read carefully the notes I leave in the description. Beethoven only left sketches about this work. This first movement was reconstructed by the musicologist and Beethoven expert Barry Cooper
@SergioCánovasCM
@SergioCánovasCM 3 года назад
@@harrygraham9690 No. Why you ask? Is there something wrong?
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 2 года назад
Harry Graham i've never heard of the guy apart from this, and his reconstruction of the Beethoven hymn they discovered like a decade ago. What else has he done?
@geoffthedonkey2295
@geoffthedonkey2295 2 года назад
@@mahatmarandy5977 written the best-researched biography of LVB, and compiled the Beethoven Compendium, and produced a definitive urtext of the piano sonatas, etc etc etc etc
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 2 года назад
@@geoffthedonkey2295 Thank you for explaining. I appreciate it. There's just so many people doing so many things, and it's surprisingly hard to find information if you don't know where to look for it. (I generally don't)
@chris93703
@chris93703 3 года назад
I just don't get the feel of Beethoven in this piece. I don't hear any of his genius unlike his other symphonies. Nice try, though.
@nelsonsaiers9109
@nelsonsaiers9109 3 года назад
its quite good, but i agree it doesn't seem to hit me as hard as some of his other symphonies
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 2 года назад
I see it as more as a kind of orchestral b-sides-and-outtakes project, rather than an attempt to capture his genius. It is, as he said, taking stuff no one ever would have heard, and giving it form. It's amazing to hear what no one has heard in 250 years, and then apparently only one guy in a piano version, assuming he wasn't lying. Lost music is fascinating, even when it isn't from a genius, and this is more fascinating than most, even if it's just a ghost of an unfinished piece. I'm very happy I got to hear it.
@aleksandersaski5387
@aleksandersaski5387 Год назад
I do. I think it's a good effort. Much better than the recent AI one.
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