Got mine yesterday. Can confirm they fixed the keyboard layout. The arrow keys are smaller now, with the pgup and pgdn buttons on either side of the up arrow.
@@kdietz65 A laptop manufacturer who produces and sells laptops don't have control over their laptops? Why are they present in the business? They should stop their business, go and never come back.
As a student and photographer, I was getting frustrated with my laptop having issues with Windows, and my friend installed Pop OS on it (I let him), and I absolutely love it! It just works, and is very buttery smooth. I am considering getting either the Lemur or Pangolin. Great review!
This will be my first Linux laptop. I can't wait to buy this in about one month. I have been a Linux user for years but bought other laptops and switch to Linux. I then try Windows for a while and get sick and tired of it. I mean I just can't stand it! How people use this is beyond me. And I will not put myself through this torture.
I would have liked more performance tests, especially sustained loads and if it throttles and loses a lot of performance, mainly because: this is a U-series processor! It only comes with 2 Performance cores, 8 Efficiency cores (perform much less) and 2 ultra efficient cores for any low resource background tasks. This basically has no hyperthreading either with 14 threads (HT on P-cores). This is very different from the Core Ultra 7 155-H for example, which comes with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, 2-UE cores and I believe 22 threads instead. I am personally interested in this CPU since I believe it will deliver excellent battery life, but I wish we could see more performance tests.
@@LinuxBTW not sure but I think Cinebench R23/24 should be on Linux? I personally also like to use R15 back to back since its a short run, after 5 to 10 runs you can see the loss in performance pretty quickly. I noticed a 15 to 20% loss on a new Zenbook this way. Thanks btw!
Aren’t these still clevos rebranded? I have been wanting one of their laptops, i’d rather not pay the extra for a rebrand Chinese laptop, I liked their OS but I’m going to install a diff distro. The hardware is the main selling point for me with their order config
They are rebranded but System76 does a lot of open source work (such as the upcoming Cosmic Rust based DE) and they also ship this with System76's open firmware and tools such as system76-power where it lets you set battery thresholds (which I think is the most important feature for a Linux laptop)
Clevo is Taiwannese and the basis of many laptop brands. Alienware, Dell, Eurocom and many others. They make military grade as well. What's your problem?
Speedometer consistently uses less than 10% of desktop CPUs capacity for it's javascript tests so it's very weird seeing it used as a benchmark for anything but the barest minimum of a chromebook. Basically all decent keyboards are fully reprogrammable, especially on linux. Being impressed that HDMI works "out of the box" is also a very sad state of affairs, why wouldn't it?
Just found your channel so subbed now - good review, arrow keys don’t bother me but I can definitely see how that would get on a lot of people’s nerves… (I use Arch BTW 😉) 👍
Hey man, got a question for you. I saw a video a months back where Linux got installed to a Macbook Air. I ended up plunging into this and purchased a MacBook Air 2017, installed EndeavourOS on it. The thing I always look for is the clickpad. I hate to love MacBook's clickpad cause on EOS it works perfectly, in my humble opinion. I've kept my eye on the Lemur Pro for its battery life on System76's site, and I want to spend some money and a laptop that comes with Linux already. The thing is that I got a 2016 Gazelle and the touchpad (not clickpad) is pretty bad. What's your opinion on this? Is it a good laptop clickpad? Loved the clip, really nice, well done.
Yeah the tricky part is having to adjust to the shift / up arrow. You can keep it as is (up arrow all the way on the right) or swap them but then you have to remember that shift is the right most, and to the left of that is the up arrow. I think most of the complaints are that it isn't clear this tradeoff needed to be made
Interesting. Like, I want to know, how did that happen with the keyboard? Like, there was a guy who said "let's break arrow keys?" And someone said "Yeah, sounds like a good idea...". What is in their heads? Do they realise they are idiots? Who decided to give them permission to design anything? How did they pass probation period and interviews? So many questions...
Looks like this is the best option right now for lightweight, good battery, usb-c charging and linux. Many would-be candidates are all going towards snapdragon now which arch is not ready for.
It looks like they've upgrade this keyboard layout since your video. I checked Internet Time Machine back 2 months ago and it has the old layout, but the website has a newer one.
I’d love for System 76 to make a Surface Pro / ROG Z13 flow competitor. I have the previous gen Lemur Pro and enjoy it but use it 90% in clam shell mode.
@@puguan3355 it looks like they updated it. I checked the internet Time Machine and the website, 2 months ago, showed the layout shown in this video. Now, the website has the updated version. I just ordered one after finding out this has been fixed.
They switched to a more standard keyboard. I'd bought one before the change and couldn't ever hit the right-shift even after using it for a week. If it weren't for the original keyboard, I would have kept it, but had to return it solely for that reason. Good thing for satisfaction guarantee! Then I was checking the System 76 site to show someone how wonky the keyboard was and noticed that the keyboard had changed. I contacted them to ensure that it was real and went and bought another with the better keyboard.
Yeah they have good support for this via system76.com/accessories/launch/download - it works for the Lemur + Launch Keyboards and writes to firmware so it persists
So far I find that when I switch between keyboards it is an issue, but if I just use the Lemur for a few hours then I remember it (but I also have quite a few different keyboards such as the Kinesis)
Does the 76 system have software in pop os to configure the CPU, such as clock speed etc, because Linux was always hopeless in this respect and you had to install various software and learn how to use it, today it is a bit better. What I care most about is the ability to control the fan speed I practically turn off my fan on windows on the laptop while webrowsing, watch video/youtube, listen music etc. fans only run when I gaming.
Still way too expensive to import. I can buy a Windows laptop for ⅓ of the price, get 3y wty and just either dual-boot or simply wipe the SSD and install Linux. System76 laptops lack 4K Screens and GPU capable of editing 4K+ video.
Might be able to use the arrow keys,, but I really do need a laptop with dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdown keys, as I also use my function keys and don't want to have to use the fn modififer key to get to them... Unless I'm using an external keyboard, but then the size and light weignt isn't as important Just want something slightly bigger without going up to something that can fit a full keyboard with numpad
Since the keyboard is programmable you could change the arrow keys to be page up/down, home/end. If you use vim keybindings you can set the function key to switch h,j,k,l to be your arrow keys or wasd. I've been doing this for years with custom mechanical keyboards and cannot go back now. Arrow keys suck!
Great idea - I am already finding a few different things that would make good content, might do a 30 day follow up and see if I can fit the VM in. The monitor is the MSI G272QPF which is a pretty affordable QHD IPS with 170hz refresh and a decent stand: amzn.to/3JdWaiX
Desperate for a European distributor! Please System 76 if you are reading consider finding a distributor in mainland Europe. Our office would purchase several units (Looking at the Adder). For us in Portugal Customs would murder delivery. Making it totally unfeasible.
The ultimate Linux laptop? Bs... Why do they lock down their bios/firmware, and what about supporting the install of any Linux distro besides their own PopOs. These are trash.
Of course you can boot a USB device and install other distros. It might not be "supported" but any of their systems will run any distro. If I want to run Arch on it, why should System76 help me if I run into a problem related to the OS?
@@bstrac77 from my experience their laptops do not allow booting an external USB, which by extension means they do not support the install of 3rd party linux distributions. Obviously they don't offer product support for anything besides Pop. But you seem confused, because you seem to incorrectly believe system76 laptop allow the installation of anything besides Pop via an external boot drive, and they don't. That's because the bios/firmware does not allow USB booting, which is exactly what I wrote.
No it's not haha, my laptop has 10 cores and 16 threads and it's way more powerful than this laptop, why ? Because its laptop only have 2 performance core and 8 efficiency cores ans 2 ultra efficiency cores, my laptop has 6 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, peformance cores matters a lot.
