Systems Alliance Navy | Mass Effect 

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Citadel: "You can only have this many dreadnoughts." Human 1: "Wait didn't we already figure out how to get around this in the 1900-" Human 2: "Shut up SHUT UP!"

The Citadel: "You can only build this many battleships." Systems Alliance: "You know we already found a loophole to this one, right? Back in the 1930s. We had the Washington Treaty back on earth that imposed similar limitations. We just built Carriers and this shift put Dreadnaughts out of service from our oceans." The Citadel: "I'm sorry, what are Carriers?" Systems Alliance: "Not Dreadnaughts."

"I'm Commander Sheperd and this is my favorite channel on the Citadel."

“Who’s like us?” “Damn few, and they’re all dead!”

One thing has to be said for Systems Alliance navy, unlike most of the similiar counter-parts in sci-fi, they were quite competent in what they did. I always liked, especially in ME 1 where the love was biggest, to read about their ships, ect. in the game. Humanity trully kicked ass.

Fuck yeah, MASS EFFECT! Edit: You're gonna milk that audio byte at the end for forever, aren't ye, Marc?

It's cool to see Mass Effect tackles how humanity's constant infighting and differing ideas led to the unorthodoxy and pragmatism of its interstellar military. Unlike the other galactic species which has united centuries earlier and thus remain to their tried and tested formulas the humans who only united recently allowed them to formulate better strategies and innovate new ideas other species have not utilized or even acknowledged in the first place.

Me : Starts playing Mass Effect again Templin Institute : Here's some lore homie

I'm always a sucker for any sci-fi organization that has at least somewhat of a blue aesthetic going for them 😊

"Don't put all your eggs in one basket" *discovers mass effect* *proceeds to make literally every piece of technology using mass effect*

I love the lore on the initial conflict between humans and turians where they pushed humanity off a colony and then humanity showed up with a sector fleet or something and the turians were about to escalate it further but the council was like.... Maybe we should have these guys join us

i love how the humans in mass effect are all about adapting, its both a very good characteristic for an underdog story and also a very human quality

"Congratulations humans. As council members, you are now permitted to have 3 times as many dreadnaughts" Alliance looks at massive fleet of carriers "no thanks, we're good"

I may be partial to the Mass Effect universe but, this may be one of your best videos ever.

Gotta hand it to Mass Effect. They did some research on naval doctrines, and history. As a naval historian, I really appreciated their nods to real history. From my perspective, using the Island Hopping campaigns of the Pacific War as inspirations for space combat doctrine is inspired. That and I just love the Alliance.

Humanity kicked itself so hard for so long, when it introduce itself to the alien races they went "Oh crap."

Council:You can build limited number of dreadnoughts... System Alliance:Carrier building go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

"You can only have limited numbers of Battleships or dreadboughts" Humans: "Ok" "Ok?" Humans:"OK. We're good with that." Earth looks at the US: Soon Carriers? USA: How Big and how many? Earth: Yes USA: Less Gooooooo

The System Alliance Navy I have found to be one of the coolest and most fascinating Human Sci-Fi space navies. Especially when _"The Fleets Arrive"_ plays in the background. I will enjoying seeing these designs again in Legendary edition. It would also be cool if there was a game on the SAN specifically, lot's of potential there.

Love how the Alliance Navy pulled a Japan Self defense force "It's not an airceaft carrier, it is a helicopter destroyer", or Starfleet's "It's not a warship, it's an advanced tactical escort"

A very underrated science fiction Navy, as far as I'm concerned. Bravo, Templin Institute!

It may not be anywhere close to being the most powerful in Sci-Fi, but the Alliance Navy holds a special place in my hearts.

With Legendary Edition finally released, it's time to replay this masterpiece of a saga and kick some reaper butt once more!

Gotta say, I love the use of historical realism and naval politics. Not often a scifi AU makes me think of the Anglo-German naval arms race

Incidentally, Systems Alliance is a great name. It is above all forward thinking, to a time when Earth is not the total hegemon of human space, and inclusive (systems) without being exclusive (X systems).

I freaking love the fact that we’re not push-overs in the M.E lore ! We may not be as strong as the Turians (on paper) but our military doctrine and our resourcefulness is truly impressive.

There's a reason that carriers were not used by aliens before humans came along. It's the fact the alien fighters couldn't reliably harm big ships. And due to the proliferation of GARDIAN lasers starfighters became tools for scouting and orbital support rather than contesting enemy ships. Then came the alliance with the new disruptor torpedoes and the whole naval doctrine , changed on its head and suddenly starfighters became relevant once more. To clarify disruptor torpedoes and their more advanced cousins javelin torpedoes were extremely fast torpedoes with a mass effect warhead that can damage armour and sheilds by causing rapid changes in space and time. Essentially it replicated the biotic singularity. To clarify on how fast the torpedoes were in a ME2 mission it took only 5 min for them to get from a moon to the planet below. Despite this speed they needed to launch in mass (as in macross missile massacre style) where each fighter would dump the equivalent payload of a Sherman calliope (as in 36 to 60) and pull up. The torpedoes got their cute little nickname "Callie's" from this tactic. So in a strike wing it would result in 300 - 600 torpedoes. And yet despite all this the first few wings were nothing more than cannon fodder because enemy defences are 100% accurate and work at light speed. It's a actual laser after all. It's only through over saturation and subsequent over heating of enemy laser defences , is there a possibility of getting hit iin. Imagine seeing hundreds of star fighters attacking a single Imperial star destroyer with thousands of torpedoes , and you might get what I am pointing at. The council had experienced thousand of years of peace with turians being the premier military power with no one coming even close to challenge them. They probably allocated that R&D money to some place else.

I remember how the System Alliance got around the Dreadnaught treaty by being crazy enough to develop massive carrier fleets, just couldn’t seem to casually find it in any lore entry.

The system alliance navy and unsc navy have to be my favorite human navies from sci fi. Both have to fight enemies far stronger then them. Yet they still never give up. That shows humanity is the best

One of the most well-thought out military forces in any alternate universe. I wish we could have seen more of its ships in action! ... now that all the fanboys are gone, can we talk about the ridiculous rank structure and titles? "Staff Lieutenant?" Seriously???

I'd like to see what the bridge of a regular SA ship looks like, since the Normandy was and backwards. 😎

2:55 That actually is taken from history. In the 1929 Washinton naval treaty the Japanese navy size was restricted to 60% of either the American or British one. To combat this Japan put most of it's resources into aircraft carriers.

I don't know why, but I love the idea that in 5,000 years of Galactic history, none of the Council races figured out Carriers until humanity showed up on the scene and bamboozled them. Somewhere on Shaanxi, there was a Turian Admiral smacking his forehead thinking "Damn it, why didn't we think of that?"

Last time I was this early, the Alliance just re-captured Shanxi.

I love the reaction of the galaxy when humanity essentially says "fine we don't need dreadnoughts, here is our carriers with more guns and tiny ships!" They collectively went "wait what? How did this happen?"

Mass Effect is still my favorite fictional universe. It's just so well-designed and in-universe everything makes sense

I'm surprised there are no miniature games for Mass Effect. It seems like the perfect setting for a fleet game or something of the sort.

Now, this is how you do a lore video! Gamespot was a more gamers perspective. This is more a in-universe perspective. Also, nice touch about the Carriers. That was Larissa's piece and didn't change it.

I had to choose between a Templin Institute and a Spacedock notification (on mass effect and bsg nonetheless) :'(

As a massive mass effect fan, well done. As always.

Ngl, Mass Effect 2 had a huge impact on me that I spent days just listening and reading the codex in the game. Amazingly rich lore.

I just left Mass Effect Legendary Edition 5 minutes ago and I see a video on the Alliance Navy. God I love this franchise. Ad Astra Per Aspera. Looks like I live in Mass Effect. I wake up, I play ME, then I eat, then I play again and finally, I eat and play again until I want to sleep. That will be my life for the next 3 weeks : Mass Effect Legendary Edition.

*topic suggestion* Are the Skaven a metaphor for Corporatist society? 1:Highly competitive but won't abide real merit in underlings without taking credit 2:serves the ultra 1% who are frequently themselves incapable of leading their societies 3: like McDonalds ubiquitous in every human city 4:doom of kavzar can be interpreted as exchanging the good old ways for hubristic efficiency, only to be corrupted by the bargain and destroyed, creating a new corrupting society in the process *Please* don't waagh me guys I am not a WH lore fan I was just playing TW and was thinking about it.

I'm so glad Mass Effect is being talked about again; it's been so long.

The two dislikes are harbinger and sovereign

How large is the Alliance Navy? In 2157, the Alliance had 200 ships, divided into at least 2 fleets. The Alliance has 3 Everest-class Dreadnoughts. The class has been discontinued, indicating that these are most likely First Contract War era vessels. Giving a maximum of 3 Dreadnoughts in 2157. I'd say, 2 active and 1 under construction. So 1 Dreadnought per 100 ships seems accurate. As for composition, it's stated that all Cruisers have a dedicated escort of 4 to 6 Frigates. So a ratio of 1 Cruiser to 5 Frigates in a fleet seems accurate. Plus carriers. Carriers are stated to be the size of Dreadnoughts so I'd say that there wouldn't be more than 1 or 2 in each fleet. In conclusion A standard Alliance fleet would most likely consist of 98 vessels. 1 Dreadnought, 1 Carrier, 16 Cruisers and 80 Frigates. The 1st Fleet possess 2 Dreadnoughts, so it stands to reason that they possess twice the number of ships. 2157 - 194 Ships divided into 2 Fleets 2 Everest-class Dreadnoughts, 2 Einstein-Class Carriers, 32 Berlin-class Cruisers, 160 Frigates. The Carrier used by the Alliance is said to be called the Einstein-Class, but I don't know if this is canon. The Frigates used at this time would all be the Berlin-class Light Cruiser seen in Mass Effect 1. 2183 - 588 ships divided into 5 fleets 3 Everest-class Dreadnoughts, 3 Kilimanjaro-class Dreadnoughts, 6 Einstein-Class Carriers, 96 Cruisers(Berlin and York class), 480 Frigates. At this point the Berlin-class would have begun to be phased out for the new York-class Heavy Cruiser seen in Mass Effect 3. 2186 - 882 ships divided into 8 fleets. 3 Everest-class Dreadnoughts, 6 Kilimanjaro-class Dreadnoughts, 9 Einstein-Class Carriers, 144 York-class Cruisers, 720 Frigates. At this point the Berlin-class would have been completely phased out or at least almost phased out.

I've played Commander Sheperd and this is my favorite channel on the internet!

I always loved the alliance ship’s design, though I might like the Turian’s a little more!

‘Relatively bloodless incident’ - Turians on Shanxi levelling entire blocks from orbit if resistance was even suspected to be present.

I got a genuine interesting Sci Fi question that relates to economics. What would have the national debt of the UNSC looked like after the Human-Covenant war and would have the aggressive re-armorment of the UNSC navy as seen in Halo 4 made the national debt worse in the long run? Something similar happened with the Germany leading up to Ww2 where the massive government spending was causing massive strain on their economy before they invaded Poland to claim it's resources. This is quite intriguing to think about because when it comes to national debt it's hardly mentioned in fictional universes. I can only think of a few that specifically mentions national debt having a major negative effect on a nation (or kingdom if you will) for years to come say like from massive government spending and what not.

Wait, someone describes the Shanxi Conflict as the relatively small affair it actually was and being a case of ignorance on both sides rather than "hurr durr turian oppression!"? Nice to see someone say it as it was!

I can't wait for more lore about the Templin Institute

This channel deserve million subscribers you can see their works it's super perfect plus putting efforts on it

They really need to expand more on this series Its too fucking great for 3 games and a shitty spin off.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the Mass Effect universe needs more games in it in different genres. Namely strategy

I just knew that a sound byte was coming at the end. Always love hearing about the alliance navy. Keep up the good work 🖖

When council banned dreadnaughts, Human created Carriers which are much more dangerous than dreadnaughts when use correctly.

I absolutely loved this video

Council be like: Ok you can only have this many dreadnoughts. Humans: We now introduce carrier warfare. Fleet Air Arm, I wonder if the namers were British. So the Alliance uses blitzkerig tactics whereas the other races uses trench warfare as an example.

Who needs to re read the codex when we have the templin institute!!

After the Reaper War the Alliance could potentially build more Dreadnoughts

Me waiting for the new Mass Effect Legendary Edition update to install on my ps4, and meanwhile watching a Templin Institute video on the System Alliance Navy. Perfection.

Good vid. Researched and straightforward as expected

In the lore, the population of Earth by itself is 11.4 billion. If we applied the 3% of people who volunteer for military service just from Earth that means there are 342 Million people serving in the systems alliance navy. Just goes to show how much smaller Earth's forces are when compared to the Asari and Turians. who effectively have billions.

Ah, the alliance navy.. Ah Shepard there is a problem, only you can resolve moltiplicated x1000.

god damn alliance navy, it ain't perfect but fought toe-to-toe with the turians (1st Contact War) and has the capacity to dominate the system ala Warhammer 40k or Star War's Empire. Those aliens will respect humans by sheer firepower.

Not only do we get a new upload, it lines up with the Mass Effect remastered release! Someone at the institute is paying attention 😉

"I am Commander Shepard and I ask myself: when it come out the second part of fixing the First Order?"

Am I the only onw who thinks the narrator sounds like a Salarian speaking to us? Anyway wonderful video!

Can you imagine a mass effect 4 where commander shepheard survives and the game is just about defeating the last of the reapers in the galaxy. Like you won the battle for Earth but there are still hundreds to thousands of reapers left in the galaxy. The game can span years in which Earth trys to rebuild while holding the line while the whole time you are dropping behind enemy lines to disrupt and stall the other reapers advance and try to prevent them from reorganizing for another attack. You decide which planets to save while others are destroyed. Like Gaurus leaves you if you decide to save the asari homeworld over the turians and vise versa for Liara.

I wonder if they will ever cover the Endless universe?

*A Sci Fi faction request vid:* "The Xeelee" from *(Xeelee Sequence).*

Ah yes, my favourite battleclass *Carriers*

I'm still salty about ME 3's handling of all this lore lol. Love this channel!

Thank you for this

can't build dreadnought, so we will build carriers... There is nothing more human than finding the loopholes to exploit within treaties.

Thank you the English subtitle.

Mass Effect: Legendary Edition

00:59 yeah its science

Save the Destiny Ascension!

Didn't realize the Aliiance military was organized British-style. 👌

The Alliance is like the Republic from SW or Starfleet from ST.

I remember when I learned about the technology of the mass effect universe some of their ship capabilities were bafflingly underpowered. The basis of the setting is on mass manipulation, it powers both their propulsion systems and weapon systems. While the ships are capable of ftl speeds their primary weapons are mass drivers that only impact in the kiloton range. Any vessels built to withstand the stresses of space travel should be able to endure stresses within a megaton range and preferable in the gigaton range. Since they should be able to fire projectiles at sublight or FTL speeds according to their own lore it _would_ place their weapons within mega or giga range. There is also a kind of torpedo in this universe that has an unstable mass effect field as it's warhead. A mini black hole that pulls and pushes at random until "burning out". Such a devastating weapon _should_ already make the mass driver cannons obsolete. Then there is the weapons the reapers use. Streams of irradiated metal traveling faster than light. The lore never says how powerful the yield of these weapons are or the much weaker knock version of these weapons the citadel races come up with after reverse engineering sovereign (they call them thanix cannons). It is only stated the knockoff version is much weaker than the original although multiple vessels firing at a reaper at point blank range with this weapon can destroy it.

Now to go find Vigil again...to let him know that their sacrifice was not in vain.

in what year will u guys be able to make a video about a white ship from a japonese anime call lost universe. amazing, i think i ask for this video for aover a year ago and still no answer from u guys.

I never accepted the timeline.... Humans wouldn't be as integrated into the Galactic community as we see in games after barely three decades time. It feels more like a century.

You mentioned at ~5:48 that the SI used AI. AI is banned in citidel space

"The result of the battle of earth was lost" lol

LONG LIVE THE ALLIANCE!

Humanity. F*ck yeah!

Island Hopping doesn't make any sense in Mass Effect: if you hold the Relays, everything that can't be supplied entirely in-system loses almost all value, and every shipyard that *can* so supply itself is an obvious target. Everything else doesn't matter, because it couldn't be used. The emphasis should either be on Blitzkrieg style warfare (take critical enemy objectives before they can react, then slowly mop up,) or siege style warfare from camping the Relays.

YEAH! HUMANITY NUMBER 1!

*Who's like us?!*

When humans get to this level where we have a space navy and advanced technology I would like to believe we are at an advantage compared to other species. Say the current ruling society among the interstellar community is a hostile one from a desert homeworld, we're from one with oceans. Humans have been fighting naval conflicts for millenia before they even reached space. Our understanding of naval warfare would surely give us a huge leg up when we encounter some other species. As long as our adversary also doesn't have that same background, we're probably going into this with a huge racial buff.

DOO MORE ON MASS EFFECT!

I really wanted to join the alliance after watch this video....

Terrestrial militaries? Do separate national governments on earth itself with their own individual militaries still exist in Mass Effect?

Something happened, we don't talk about it, you don't talk about it, and it's best if none talk about, ya got me?

I never got how the alliance was able to bankroll one of the galaxies most formidable forces, the systems alliances control over its member nations was tentative how they could convince several member nations to fork over enough taxe dollars for that