it means the art of the hand and foot actually and this part is classed as SPORT fighting the important part being SPORT and it is far more tactical than most people think, its chess in doboks!. There are so many more areas of taekwondo
(CONTINUED): it alot more, meaning you will either lose your balance, or you will be unable to swing another kick just as fast. Whereas, if you use just medium force and as fast as you can go, you're gauranteed to be able to follow up your kicks, causing pressure on your opponent. Although, if you're a counter fighter and you want ONE good kick for a possible knock out, I suggest a full force back kick, or reverse turning kick to the jaw.
Some of you kept arguing about fighting, I see that you learn martial arts because you want pick fights instead of just exercising your mind and body. You cannot discuss different styles of martial arts when your purpose is not martial arts.
Well, those of you saying it's best to kick with full force. In some ways it can help, for example, the new Electronic Body Protectors which require a huge threshold to score points and is best scored on by using full force turning kicks, or pushing/back kicks and of course, punches. Although, if you take out the electronic body protectors and just use normal electronic scoring (Ring Master), and you go to kick full force, the problem you have is that you need to turn your hip and body into
@ActionSamwise this is the art fighting, the sport. you might as well critise boxers for not kicking or grappling, or fencers for using body armour and blunt swords. Self defence fighting is a completly seperate thing, but still gets taught in good clubs. Some things should be universal to martial artists, though, respect and discipline being two of them.
@TheHamster88 Also I agree with you that it doesn't look awesome, wrecking or even entertaining to most of you guys, but it's the name of the game; patience, analysing and trying not to get hit to lose any points. It's a tactical waiting game moreover a striking game such as kickboxing. It is easy to compare to BJJ though, only instead of trying to grapple/lock/choke your opponent, it's trying to hit your opponent without getting hit yourself.
Nah, it was the best Dojang in town, going by the tournament results. Actually, one of our guys beat the Mexican national champ. "Not every style can fit to every person. Maybe best style is, let's say Thai Boxe o Judo or something else." The problem with that argument is that looking at high level competition, MT or BJJ are pretty much the best styles for everybody.
WTF= World Taekwondo Federation...i agree with keeping your hands up especially colored belts, against a faster opponent it's easier to block a head kick than dodging one
I never said TKD isn't a martial art, I said it's no good for fighting. As for trying it myself, I did it for four years. As for not being effective, the round kick is weak, fancy stuff doesn't work, and they are utterly optionless inside of kicking range. That's why TKD guys get destroyed whenever they fight boxers or kickboxers.
We use distance to stay safe not our hands. If we have to put our hands up we can do that too. But if you watch they are out of range where there hands would really change anything, up or down.
Well british people call it reverse turning, others call it spinning hook kick but, yeah. And it just depends what type of fighter you are and how your flexibility restricts you. I personally would use a spinning hook kick or axe kick.
boxing is also point based. you just don't see the score till after a point. a 'point' in tkd should technically be (assuming it was scored correctly) a blow to a valid area which causes trembling shock, and immediate bodily displacement. (aka, a hard shot) is not the conflict of a fight one where a person attempts to land as many hard shots on an opponent as possible, whilst trying to avoid hard shots attacking himself?
I think you should read up on Taekwondo before posting a comment like that. This is a Taekwondo competition fight; where you do not receive points for punching, and alot of the time it is easier to move out of the way of a kick instead of blocking it for a clear shot of their chest protector.
If you practice the Taekwondo (WT Federation or IT Federation, whatever) you do practice the martial art, the sportive-sparring, the martial art-sparring (that is more close to Mixed Martial Arts that to Olympic Sparrying...), Self Defense and so on. Maybe, with no offense, in four years they taught you wrong.
Tournament style and self defense style of fighting is different in TKD. Since you really don't use your hands for tournys you can keep them down so it is hard for the other person to score. In a real life or death situation we keep them up and avoid anything too fancy. Personally I have always hated the chest protector cause it slows me down and my kicks lose reach, speed and power.
Actually, last year the WTF changed the rules so now they give you a point for punches. It's about time. So if you want to complain about Olympic style Taekwondo being "lame" or not suited for street situations, think again. Even without the rule change our training includes hand techniques. At my dojang we learned some Hapkido, and 3-step techniques at red belt as well.
To ptran14444. There is one wrestling grapple I know how to counter, step back into a low front stance and if you are talking about real life then start bashing the back of the head with your fist. Obviously, if the guy surprise you with the grapple then you will be taken down. It's all about scouting and surprising your opponent in a real fight. Any styles can beat any styles as long as you know both styles.
@TheHamster88 there are in fact a few broken bones and knockouts. There are some powerfull kicks, my friend had a disc in his back broken and you cant "condition yourself" for things like that.
Now thats a very typical response from a hardcore ITF person if ever i saw one! Exhibit some courtesy (no 1 tenant of TKD) for other people and their chosen art. the WTF lads / girls are trained to a much higher standard than their ITf counterparts with proper sports medicine, anti-doping measures and realistic tapering periods to win at competition and by the way can kick BLOODY hard
yeah, some of the boxers and mma fighters are pretty legit too. cause they have lots of experience. still, since they're not technically "trained to kill" I still rank like Israeli defense forces and SEALS above them.
the first rule of self defence is to lead a good healthy life.why would i need to walk in the bad parts of my city?if you come from a place where violence is a part of daily life then avoid it.and at times when you are pushed too far any fighting knowledge helps.i dont think that i am going to be mugged by a muay thai or jui jitsu guy!! so comparing of arts is pointless.the simple knowledge that you ought to keep out of trouble + some basic punches and the slap kick are good enough
No this brings us to the point of the debate: if you train well, you will reach good levels, regardless of your particular style. Taekwondo is not just kicking. Maybe in your dojang they practiced only "sportive taekwondo"? Nonetheless Fedor himself (and MANTY other big champions) studied TKD to improve his kicking technique: tkd is specialized in kicking. But tkd should not be just kicking...
@TheHamster88 now i agree with you ^^ taekwondo-ka's arent dominant enough for freestyle fights, purely because we never practise that scenario :P so idd, in freestyle a kickboxer has more chance to take the win
I see your point but I fear I don't understand it; I try to explain: it seems you are talking about "only-sportive-tkd". Taekwondo, in the origins, had a sparrying very similiar to MMA, with boxe punching, throws, elbows, knees, something similiar to kyokushinkai karate or muay thai BUT with different style (more research in flexibility, footwork, legs, speed).
Modern sportive tkd is just "kick the red circlet on the body armour" and this FOR SURE IS very uneffective! And the martial-traditional and pre-established shotokan-like mini-randori are uneffective too. This is sure. But if TKD is well practiced it has boxing punch, GUARD, throws et cetera. In my dojang is normal to boxe-spar or to spar in judo or to spar in "traditional taekwondo" (that is "mixed martial arts with more footwork").
I know that I have no experience in TKD whatsoever but I'm just wondering at why TKD fighters don't cover their heads and why they rely on their kicks almost the entire time and not using fists like other martial arts do.
yes that is true, there are great kicks in TKD, but there are also kicks that are just crap, and are more for the show. TKD only on it self is just not to effective since it has weak points; the 'close combat' , the defense is weak and the option to strike with more differend limbs, is not there, what makes the defence of a TKD attack more easy. but I must say that combining MT with some of the better TKD kicks would be very effective.
you did not learn wrong. and tkd may very well work as a combat system, BUT since they tend to compete alot and whilst doing that they keep hand down to avoid scores coming in on the ir body they keep em down, and learning that makes it hard to have the guard up by default.
erm, yea... i got an email saying your replying to me.. but i have no idea what on earth your talking about m8. please explain if you want. this vid is kickass btw and cant remember seeing it. so thanks
@haydentkd yeh they might seem powerful , only cause there is no denfending or blocking to reduce the impact. wat i would class as powerful kicks would be say muay thai kicks..also howd he break the disc?
@marcinekrudzki his name is Rachid, but you can't see any fight of him on youtube nowaday coz he's fighting in a special federation in France without shit rules. peace
This is where I must respectfully disagree with you. It's true that TKD teaches hand techniques, however, the hand techniques that they teach are not useful. There is inadequate defense for the head, and they don't train effective hand strikes, and they don't train combinations. In addition, a lot of useless techniques are trained.
@ActionSamwise How can the stances be wrong? i mean when you look at wing-chun's stance, its often stable on the ground without bouncing. How do you expect to knee someone in a real fight when theyre gonna punch you. From TaeKwonDo, we learn how to puch and how to direct our force. As for body armor, theres such thing as full contact, youtube it if your not too lazy. And its not the martial art, a white belt in tkd can beat a black belt in karate. it all depends on the person
Like they are kicking, I would someone needs about 12.268 kicks to go down. But if im right in TKD it is more about making a lot kicks than making effective kicks and KO your opponent. I prefer muay thai...
taekwondo is a real good martial art, taekwondo is really effective in a fight.... that was before it becomes a olympic sport, now taekwondo looks like a shit sport.. there's no spectacular kicks in fights, only kicking like bitches to match points that's my opinion, long live taekwondo.
ok but there are lot of ko's in tkd and even though u have protection. that shows us that if a tkd fighter hits someone with nno protection it can b deadly.
its funny how everyone looks at the sports side of TKD and say its not realistic so therefor TKD isnt good yet my instructor hds 1 class specificly for sparring the other classes are for on the streets so in my TKD we learn self defence ALOT more then sport, so what every other school doesnt do that ?
Ya know I don't ever remeber saying anything about kicking being wrong to much of it isn't a good thing If you would think about it wouldn't it be smarter to set the person up for a kick with a few punches first.Also punches and kicks aren't the only thing you can do in a fight you can elbow,knee,throw lotta stuff and fight science?There differences in peoples sizes which more had more muscle which is why readings could be wrong so don't use that as a refernce.
Your English is adequate. Don't worry about it. "Taekwondo is, like every other style, very effective when well practiced." TKD is very very limited. It relies on long range kicking, and that simply isn't enough to win most fights. "I owned a boxeur at boxe, once" So he's a boxer and you weren't allowed to kick and you beat him at his own game and he's a pro and you're not? Sounds like you're supremely talented. That doesn't have anytyhing to do with TKD though.
@mennoace well derh, clearly im seeking a reaction, wen it comes down to it , its a sport, a rather lame one at that. true the knockouts are pretty cool sometimes, but thats only because they tend not to put up a guard resulting in a full fledged kick with no deflection or blocking. and i could most definitely do better :) the fact that i went and tried it, and was able to learn the required techs for the next belt in that single lesson shows its a gimped MA. I train in kick boxing and BJJ btw
Ooh, fuck my bad english... "Maybe YOUR best style is, let's say Thai Boxe or Judo or something else" :P Ghgh, :) Taekwondo is, like every other style, very effective when well practiced. I owned a boxeur at boxe, once, and I was just Taekwondoka, only sixth kup (green belt), while he was a semi-professionist. Now let's say taekwondo sucks: I think this is pure idiotry (can I say "idiotry"?)
no no i didnt mean that i would be better than them at TKD.. no no no, most definitely not although i do have a basic knowledge of tkd, i mean in a freestyle fight. not just tkd rules. if it was just tkd style and rules.. id most definitely get owned ahahha
man, I did TKD before MT and I liked it but I found out that it isnt effective, especially on the street, and offcourse the kicks look nice but TKD is about making the right moves, in the right way and score points, and not about KO's. And the MT trainings are far harder than TKD trainings, if you really wanna learn to fight you should do MT. and tell me why there olmost arent TKD fighters in K1... because it isnt effective if you really need to kick someone's ass. And I can know that...
off balance with high kicks?? i understand what ur trying to say, but u have to understand tkd is diffenent than Karate..someone else can say the same thing to u..for ex just like there is no kicks below the belt in TKd..A muy ti fighter can say why arn't they knee and elbows in karate? and fucken high kicks are amazing if u know how to use them
@TheHamster88 you learned the required tactics for the next belt by the western commercial standards I'm sure...Look I'm not trying to insult you, you're probably good at the sports you do, but comparing taekwondo style/stance in a match with kickboxing is like comparing monopoly to risk, its different in many ways. And once again I don't, at all, believe that you can do better than the Olympic TKD-practicioners.
@TheHamster88 trolling...If you can't do it better yourself (of which I'm pretty sure, because you wouldn't be calling it gay if you could), then don't say negative things about it. If ye don't like it, leave it.
@ActionSamwise Judging by your comment, i see you r not a good martial artist or fighter or not even both... In taekwondo trainning, we do learn punches, hand up defence, and everything else, we didn't punch in a 'sport' fight is because it scores no point, no knees, no elbow or clinch because its against the 'sport' part of taekwondo rule... Same as muay thai taekwondo is invented because of war. If sport taekwondo havent gotten so many rules, we've maybe fighting in better punches and stuff...
I don't think so...If u just take Mike Tyson when he was still a boxer. No One was able to beat him in the street. why? coz 2 thousands pounds of power in each punch make him 10 000 times more dangerous than another human. Just look all his fights, 1 punch = 1KO, 5 punchs/sec. That's what we call martial arts.
