Have had this since it was first available and absolutely love it. There is nothing cheap about the feel of the plastic body which is solid and rigid. I've never seen anything this customizable before that can work with any plugin from any manufacturer (parameters must be automate-able. Loved it from the first moment I plugged it in. Amazing how it populates the controls for plugins that have not been mapped yet. I do prefer my own mappings and layouts to the factory ones.
99 out of 100 times I like the automation to be a 100% what I did with the fader instead of some linear curve with 2 points which I can create with a mouse in 3 seconds. But yea, as an additional feature it's ok
@@huberttorzewski as I do agree with you, when it comes to editing 1000 points... I hate it. more often then not it takes me longer to clean up the dots than it would have for me to just draw it in.. considering we can match every thing with curves & such I do with there was an option to convert it so we get the best of both worlds.
Nektar has a good history with deep DAW integration. They did the original Panorama keyboard controllers with deep Reason DAW integration that was great for it's time. Then they expanded that type of integration with other DAWs on those Panoramas.
Scary part is they dropped supporting and updating features to a lot of DAWs where only the transport buttons would do anything. Still helpful, but not what people were buying into.
Got mine a few months ago and slowly working through it, but it sits nicely on my studio desk next to my Launchpad Pro. Along with my wireless trackpad and keyboard,, the CS12 is potentially a great complimentary device. The support folks at Nektar have been great to answer some of my queries, and I look forward to not only getting deeper into the device, but also the eventual improvements over time.
The Nektar Panorama CS12 combined with the Softube Console 1 Channel is great 🙂 with the C1 strip you have the most important sounddesign tools loaded to use and the C12 controls everything else!
I got MIDI keyboard fromNektar and it is amazing with its integration and ease of use. I will wait to see how good this controller will be with Cubase. I hope it will :) Great video :)
I was thinking of getting the panorama P4 or P6. Wonder how different it is from this one? Aside from the lack of keys obviously. Do you recommend the midi keyboard?
As a Logic user and CS12 owner, I can attest, it works very well! I almost went SSL but desk space, true Logic integration and price made this an easier choice.
You really need to look into the new Console 1MKIII with native Fabfilter support though. The separate mid side eq per band alone are worth a second and third look.
Hi Wytse, nice one would you also be able to test the rocksolid audio controllers? They are really compact and would love to have your views on them....
Single point automation: Many DAWs have thinning to reduce the sheer number of potential automation points that are written and not overwhelm the CPU with thousands of automation points. So thesis a pretty well known concept, that was taken to the logical end. It is a good idea.
For me I'd use a wall wart for power. I consider it's a good idea to power a device separately from the computer. Even though I have a power supply to handle it, I don't want my motherboard to handle that.
Nektar makes good stuff, the Pacer is a highly underrated, insanely versatile, built like a tank midi pedalboard / daw foot controller, definitely worth checking that one out
I was waiting for so long for this... I got a nektar keyboard controller a long time ago, and the integration with cubase was like it was made from steinberg, it worked better than the cmc controllers, and those controllers were awesome.
Pro Tools his had glide automation forever. It’s exactly what your talking about with it not writing all the little points is it’s just a simple point to point parameter change.
There is the issue though with plugin support. Softube added some fabfilter plugins, but I don't think they support sonible. And I'm not sure what else Wytse is using.
MP MIDI since the stand alone update is bloody fantastic.1 use it for so much more than just music stuff. I was keen on this one for a while but I think I’m off it especially after watching this
i'm waiting on reaper integration too. i bought into the control 1 ecosystem, and it was actually a massive workflow killer, and the advent of the mkIII system made it even worse for us in the mkII world. i had high hopes for it, but CS12 looks to be everything i'd hoped i'd have gotten with console 1. i already have other nektar units, and they're awesome.
Really hoping for it to be working with cubase in the future. Steinberg are missing a beat. The cubase users are really wanting a new controller since the much loved CC121.
I bought a second hand Behringer X Touch One with a script for Cubase someone posted on the Steinberg forums. That works perfectly and cost me 100 euro. Is it cheap plastic? Yes. Is it kinda ugly? Yes. Does it work? O yes. Does it have 2 USB ports for my keys and iLok? O hell yes.
I need something like this specifically for FL Studio! I also need an MPC that works perfectly with FL Studio as well! I own an MPC X, but it's a pain in the ass trying to use it with FL Studio. I don't like using the MPC plugin within FL and I'm not much of a fan of recording into my MPC X using sounds/VST's from FL Studio either.
If this puts out CC commands, you should be able to program it in Reaper to do anything you want via the action menu. No need to wait for the company to get around to it.
Ik vind 't wel een interessante. Toch doe ik liever alles met snelkoppelingen en met m'n muis. Maar toch interessant... Je zou 't eigenlijk, net als de meeste plugins, moeten kunnen proberen. :)
Heya! When doing reviews of the other controllers, can you please talk about using plugins that aren't tied to the manufacturer. It's been something that I've always been keen to look into, but as a hobbyist, I can't go through everyone to see how adaptable they are. Cheers!
Nektar top notch company, i had the panorama p1 => it stops working after warranty period...they send me a part for free..which didn t solve the problem...and they decide a brand new p1 for free...amazing customer care!! I know a lot of company that do exactly the opposite=> even in period of warranty other company don t care about supporting you and want to spent as least as possible (akai, m-audio...etc) i just wish that Nektar would offer also a more expensive option with better hardware, but i really like this company
Cool enough but Logic only? I would think an Apple centric product would be much higher spec even if it was more expensive. And let’s get real, they promised support for Steinberg at launch using their well worn promise of ‘coming soon’. It’s not rocket science, it’s writing a script for an API. Single point automation is a default with Ableton Push. I have a nOb which does this class compliant mouse function with any application, not just DAWs. It is very inexpensive, but is that really what you want in a DAW controller?
off topic question: i see you have the DIY SSL bus comp clone and the WES ng-BusComp. Aren't they somewhat a double ? Maybe if you have the old dbx "gold cans" into the DIY clone they are "different" enough, but using same modern THAT chips, aren't they too similar bus comps? Asking cause i looking for an used Wes and seems it sports classic SSL glue with modern features.
I have been going on and on about how companies have gone backwards with control surfaces since the Mackie Uneversal and the C4 but it seems they are waking up and thinking about audio engineers workflow and Controllers that beter suite channel strip work flows which is the backbone of mixing. I have been on Avid about this in hopes they would get a clue and make a channel strip controller worthy of Eucon intergration and Avids name / legacy but we will see.
I’ll be patient until Studio One is supported, but I have a question: many knob controllers have the annoying behavior of immediately jumping to a value when moved, or not responding until you spin past the actual value. I see that the fader seems to jump to actual value….how do the knob controllers respond?
That's really only an issue with potentiometers, which have a start and stop range. Most decent 'pots' on digital equipment these days are rotary encoders - they have no limit on range and will just increment values depending on which direction you turn them in. So no workarounds like jumping or take-up are necessary.
Sure hope they integrate other daws, don't have logic but i wanted to get a faderport type thing for cubase. Are there and cubase users who have a daw controller type thing? what do you use?
I think Nektar said Cubase was next on their list for support for this device. I don't know how the faders feel on the new iCon pro series, but they have been clever enough to use a touch display with a grid overlay to make "buttons", so that they can have correct label for any daw (and they support simple keyboard macros for user presets, not a Elgato Streamdeck replacement but much better than the typical Mackie controller). They also have a way of controlling last touched parameter, in that case by using the jog-wheel, I suspect that works in Cubase, not sure it works in every daw.
I use the SSL UC1 UF8 and UF1 with Cubase. I’ve been using them for a while in Ableton Live and they work great. I recently switched back to Cubase after several years away. So far the integration has been solid… There’s a few things different about how it works, but it works. I’ve been enjoying it
was there some fan noise in the very background of this video slightly oscillating in frequency .... i think i only noticed as was watching in headphones but once i heard it i could not stop hearing it
Thanks for the cool information - i am very courious about asparion! that looks also very interesting! - Thanks and have a nice weekend! - all the best
The SSL Controller UF1 are more expensive than the nektar in the first view, but you will get 3 different SSL Channelstrip Plugins and the BusCompressor. So in the end, the SSL Controller are also not so expensive for this what you get. I had also a lot of different controllers, but in the end I bought all 3 SSL Controller and this was my personal best decision.
As far as I know you have to pay for those channel strips with a UF1. I only got the SSL meter for free with it. And they’re quite expensive when not on sale.
@@LanewoodStudios you're right. By the UF1 it's only the Meter Plugin. With UC1 you get 3 Channelstrips and the bus comp. now with UF1, UC1 and UF8 I have them all 😉
Icon P1-m would be my choice as it has a jog wheel for DAW navigation/selection, 9 motorized faders and what looks like a stream deck built in. Can get optional screen too but not necessary. I suppose its whatever suits your workflow though. I would like to eliminate using my mouse so have started saving for the P1-m.
It is a single touch display, so it doesn't have the button feel of the streamdeck, nor does it support as complex macros and commands. But I am also looking at it. I was really impressed that they wrote proper script for ableton, supporting flip to fader parameter controls, that support full values, whereas the mackie script does not (but the SSL do). The P1-m also supports last touched parameter by pressing a button and using the jog-wheel. But typically fader controllers don't support parameter controls in the way this does, with custom order of parameters, and if they do, don't expect the maker to offer any pre mappings, other than the typical that the DAW reports via the mackie script, that cn be chaotic and with the limited numder or lettters/number, sometimes impossible to decode.
I have one of their Panorama keyboard controllers. The Cubase integration broke around The time Cubase 11 came out and has not ever been addressed and I’m not holding my breath. Not only that, the motorized fader has failed. I would think long and hard before giving Nektar another dime of my money.
Any controller I buy must be used in my studio as well as for live performance. It appears that the rotatables are pots and not continuous controllers. Is this the case?
