Talene is COMING but THESE ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED!!【AFK Journey】 

Supreme to supreme+ taking 4 copies is an affront to god.

I do have access to the champions store, so I can M+ them faster than f2p...but goddamn even then it takes 2 months easily, with the champions store being the big chunk. For f2p it must be basically a constant downwards spiral, falling more and more behind the more meta celestial/hypos release. Just let people use diamonds.

i just give us on competing and just enjoy the ride

They give shit tons of the blue and red essence but not the yellow one. Its painful to see

A few hundred dollars monthly -> light to mid-range spender... How people accepted and normalized this is just crazy. People are just spending money mindlessly to compete with each other without any logical explanation other than the rewarding feeling they get which is actually just virtual and not real. Don't get me wrong, I also paid about 40 euros in the last 2.5 months, and now I realize there is no end to spending on this game; I already feel a little regretful paying this much even though I still enjoy the game. I think you are completely right about your concerns; even in this situation, they still try to make people invest more with very frequent hero releases.

Based on the guild store price (400 diamonds) for a stellar crystal at 50% discount, if they let us stargaze with diamonds that would be 8k for 1 10 pull. That's still pretty inaccessible.

They completely forgot Guild Challenge , they need to update it according to the season story progress so that it can help earning more guild coins

You've said it all It blocks the gaming experience for anyone who doesn't have the funds to invest in the game. In the long term, this will lead to frustration and, unfortunately, abandonment.

I'm super low spender, and this is my first gacha, I only bought the noble passes which is the cheapest and what I can afford, and I play since the game came out, almost 93 days of game now, I still don't have a single hypo/celestial in supreme+, I have had terrible luck with the stellar crystals, I have already spent a total of 70 crystals and I only got 1 Reiner cause pity by spending 40 crystals... it feels horrible. I'm 2 copies short of Reiner to barely get him to mythic+ and make him my first hypo/celestial in mythic+, by this I mean I only got one copy per month with the guild coins (3 copies), an extra copy of the login event + the copy of the stellar crystals... again... feels horrible. I've been lucky to stay in the 60-40 arena champion ranks, luckily my server has few whales... but still, it's amazing how hard it's been for me to get copies of hypo/celestials. I know I've had very bad luck with stellar crystals, and if I have insane trouble getting one copy of hypo/celestial, I don't want to imagine someone who starts now or is f2p.

Can’t keep up at all. I’m vip 13 now and building up a m+ renier S+ Scarlitta and a M(not M+) took half of my account’s total spending. And you ask me to put 1k per month for a character? I’m not paying a game rent money OK? XD

I never get stellar crystals from guild chest and your saying if you’re lucky then you would get 3/4 lol

no way bro said light/mid spenders= couple hundred dollars a month...

IMHO, the easiest fix is offer Stellar Crystal through Battle Drill since it’s a guild event. And make it 10-25 depending on how well you do.

The frequency of release is my problem. they mentioned 7-8 new characters every 3 months. that's a lot !!

Game is starting to tank real bad, most people will stop spending regardless of their release cycles. They better figure out a way to retain players at this point and worry less about pushing new characters.

5k diamonds for every 10 stargazer pull would be 20k to get the 40 summons for a pity so 8 copies total to get to mythic + would be 160k if going to pity and another 120k so 280k to pity summon an S+. I feel that 5k cost would be high but anymore than that makes it beyond crazy, but if they don’t introduce summoning with diamonds soon it’s going to be a game breaker for me

What is the point of coming out with another celestial/hypogean when I haven't even maxed out Reiner or started on Phaesto?

Never seen a game so p2w

Aint no p2w, but w2w 😂. Ill play till theres new games out and ill ditch this

Woohoo Dislyte all over again! Figures haha

800 a month is whale territory. this game honestly, i spend alot and im so annoyed with the release. im not even hype. im pretty angry. i dont play much anymore just because of the BS.

Hi Zeebo! Very good points. Also they should add 2 new towers which allows us to use cele/hypo tower that gives stellar crystals. Right now stellar crystals are so so scarce. The only way you get the premium units are by spending. Especially the celehypos which will take about 1 year for a f2p to save for an s+ scarlita 😩

The devs need to realise that the is a finite amount of $ and time in the world. The longer they take to address issues like this and other priority stuff in the game, the more players are going to leave and give their time and $$$ to other games that is fun to them. Right not this game is totally not fun. Totally feel like they are running a hamster wheel and we are just hamsters running on them giving them money. They are dropping new chars left and right without giving any overworld storyline tagged to them at all and expect players to drop $ to get them. Other modes are just endless grinding after grinding. Even pvp is also a grind on who spends more $ and have more units. Am top 20 in my server (after throwing a couple of thousands) but am really tired. Where is the new pve content monthly? All we get is a seasonal storyline that lasts barely a couple of weeks and is drought all the way for 4months?

people are getting 4 stellar crystals from guild chest?? im lucky if i get an invite letter

even low-mid spenders also can't keep it up much less free to play players.. only ultra whales can keep it up.

They should make an event that requires actual effort to to earn stargazer pulls as a reward. So the players that actually put their time and effort to the game gets something

what they need to do is release more guild challenges each season which would make it a lot easy to get these units and allow all players to buy summons with arena coins to help with this issues and not make it the top 100th people.Another way to fix this issues is add more trail of abyss level and put more of these summon in it each season. These are simple fixs

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

even they allowed you to use diamond, it will be a shitty rate. like 1,000 diamonds for 1 stellar orb.

Another hipogean/celestial? that means only who pay can have her maxed.... pss

I’m light spender and I’m still trying to decide to get Pharestos or keep developing Scarlita it’s frustrating as this units are pivotal to be able to compete. So I agree this same reason is why I left marvel contest of champions it became stupid

I am playing game since global I only got 1 stargaze crystal from guild hahah and you saying you get 2 ,3 or 4 that's just ideal condition(players are quite active on guild and guild is also under top 10 or top 5 I forget real rank in server )

With how hard/expensive it is to get stellar crystals players off all types are going to despise any new stargazer hero. Even more so if the meta defining heroes are locked behind stargazer while the rate up heroes are underwhelming A tiers. Gems for stargazer kinda helps, but it still doesn't fix the core issue that they don't want you to have these heroes without forking over money.

The rich get richer, you have to be wealthy to play this type of game in the end

I am not even excited about talene because it couldn’t get it.

I'm excited for Talene but because I already have Reinier at Mythic+ and didn't go for Phraesto so probably I can get close to Mythic+ on my next Celestial/Hypogean BUT the lack of access to this units is annoying, they are SO expensive. I do think they should allow all players to buy 10 Stargazer tickets in the Arena Store, if you are in champions, you still get 5 (so 15 weekly) sounds way better.

They killed rate up characters/hype. It doesn't matter which characters do you have anymore it will be everything full hypo/celestials being meta everywhere.

I just want more Temporal Essence...even as a mid/high spender there are not nearly enough sources they NEED to be added to DAILY guild store (~10/day is reasonable, more would be nice!)

a permanent non seasonal gamemode + 1-2 events/month providing stellar crystals should ease players into summoning on the stargazer. Although its still ass but its something they can start off with😂

as a starting f2p player to a light spender player, I only managed to get my Reinier to M+ in 84 days and playing max guild tokens in whatever state I am + daily login, and this is not having access to champion store for a good 3/4 of the time, and even so, its frustrating

Totally agree. I'm Day one player and free to play. I play everday and hard try. I can't compete with soenders. I have 24k6 power, compared to 30-40k i'm nowhere. So far i have 7 supreme + and Reinier mythic + un 1 week i think... Yes it's hard, rly hard as a f2p. No more content, too many celes/hypo to quickly, no way to compete, i think i' m not gonna keep on playing... My guild is top 4 and already 7 tiny whales afk since 10 days+. Too bad, that game as potential but... Too bad...

AFKA had the stargazer 500 gems for 1 pull and 5000 gems per 10x i was hoping to see that here as well as the unique pull items like the invite letters for the rate up, standard and elite banners

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Prizes in shop r way to high compared what you get in afk arena. If they lowered all in half, more ppl would be competitive.

with how stargazing is, it's impossible for f2p/low/mid spenders. the packs cost too much to go for them, plus the rates aren't that good. why and im repeating, WHY haven't they did like afk arena? there we can use gems to summon on stargazing...

Far far too quick on these big releases locked behijd stargaze

I play the game for 88 days and I am three copies away from a M+ Reinier. At the beginning I played the game very casually and made some mistakes like buying a copy of Berial in the guild store. I went one time to pity on the star gazer and am now 14 pulls away from pity again.

Yes, the Stargazing is indeed incredibly inaccessible, and even if they let us use diamonds to Stargaze, it's not going to be cheap so F2P and light-mid spenders(honestly a few hundred bucks per month is not at all a light spender in my book but that's neither here nor there) so it won't actually solve the problem. The biggest issue though is with the Celestial/Hypogean heroes themselves. If they were all like Dionel or Berrial than it would be fine. Very powerful heroes at extreme(whale level) investment(paragon tiers) but not spectacular before that and not at all meta defining. However Reinier is absolutely meta defining for dream realm(though some of the new bosses kind of bypass him to an extent) and both Scarlita and Phraesto are absolutely meta defining for various PvE and PvP contents. Taline was super OP in AFK Arena, no reason to think she won't be here as well, so probably another meta defining hero. Basically Celestial/Hypogean heroes already make so many heroes irrelevant and with the very rapid release of new ones, soon every meta team will consist of 5 Celestial/Hypogean heroes making all the regular factions complete obsolete and pointless, so what's the point on continuing to release a ton of new heroes that aren't Celestials/Hypogeans if they're just going to be underperformers right off the bat...? On top of that, anyone less than a mid-high spender is actually forced to chase the meta in order to even compete. Since rewards are tied to rankings in the various modes so in order to maximize rewards you must chase the meta to even have a shot. If rewards were handed more generously, as in not tied to rankings nearly as much, than more people could have fun with the game using less than optimal teams without feeling like they're falling way too far behind to the point of complete demoralization. It would also make all the new non Celestial/Hypogean heroes valuable as people won't be forced to constantly chase the meta so whacky underpowered heroes could still be played and enjoyed.

I'm small spender, got into champion rank, and still dont have a mythic+ hypogen 😢

i remember the f2p pain of not getting into champions for a very long time

I was thinking they could make the stellar crystals in the guild store a weekly refresh instead of a monthly refresh. Now you only have to wait two weeks to do a 10 pull instead of two months.

I've bought two gems month packs and currently halfway through the second rn, I'm not spending on anything else period My Reiner, thoran and carolina is only mythic and both the graveborns I haven't been getting for a month which is devastating I can't imagine investing in other celestials/hypos than Reiner because resources are so scarce for me as light spender and so I haven't been enjoying the game much anymore I can't get florabelle from rates she's only epic and she's important for eironn and Arden comp to push afk stages ( i push like 5 stages and then I'm stuck the replays shows paragon units with ex 15 which I cannot compete with😢)

day 1 light spender and i only just got reinier to m+. what i dont really want is to be forced to spend all my diamonds on stargazing because if i can, i will. maybe if it has a weekly limit that leaves me with a net positive gain in gems, but i would rather have some other solution for consistent gazer tickets. maybe a new game mode or something

Five years later a F2P can get that new unit to M+

finally people are complaining about it

Thanks Zeebo

definitely not 800 gems per summon.. 500, no 10 pull discount like the rate up banner but its cel/hypo so its going to be worth the 2000 crystals extra, and more accessability to stargazes overall or buying crystals from other stores like arena store, or BRINGING BACK ARCANE LAB REWARDS!!! or even the recruitment store would be nice because currently we arent even getting many regular summons.. the game is really dry at the moment.

I could spend 500€ every month on the game, but I decided not to, because the famous Lilith's greediness is just a slap in the face for EVERYONE who spends any amount of money in the game. Anyone can realize that, just by looking at things like the double seasonal pass (won't surprise me if we get 4-5 pass total until the end of the season), poor bundles rewards for the highest amount of money ever, poor prize pool chances.. like, I don't understand how people can spend more than 50€ a month on this game, without realizing their money/value rate is just dogwater

They need to make better rewards all around, It is utterly disgusting how paywalled EVERYTHING is.. The whole game is copium AND it's not even an actual AFK Game xD

i'm a light spender (probably put 150$-200).. i did buy 1 pack for stargezer and i did make champion and bought those since season start. I think your math is somewhere off, or i am very unlucky from the chest since the begging of the cage i have only gotten 1 stargazer (thisi s in 85 days on gameplay). So far i barely managed to make Rainer m+ (had to do full pity every time i summoned), i have enough guild currency to buy 1 copy from store and got like 4-5 stargazers left. It's very sus tbh.

I'm a spender(300€+) on a later server with less whales and I only have Reinier M+ and enough saved for another 2 copies of whatever I choose to go for...considering they mostly require M+ to be efficient...that's nothing. If it takes more than 2 months(for people with Champion store access) just to make one unit useful and in the meantime 2 new ones are introduced...that pacing is just fucked.

I stand by this position, this game is way too competitive. Players wouldn’t complain as much if the all the Daily resources rewards were not tied to ranks, but just completion of the activity. I think rank gating cosmetics, titles, Avatar boarders, and other non resource rewards are fair game for ranks. But putting core resources like invites, essense and coins behind a rank gate is a massive P2W move. This game will always be pay to win at its core, but you shouldn’t gate-keep basic resources from F2P players. It’s just bad business. Let players get essential resources without rank gating and come up with more non-essential rewards for ranks. Making this change will drastically improve the overall outlook for players.

If they dont start adding events that let you get stellar crystals/copies of cele/hypos, this game is going to die really fast. How they looked at the AFK Arena model and decided, "Nah, we didn't take advantage of our players enough. Let's start so slowly that people give up, and, when we release characters, we'll make 2 straight A-Level banners! Yeah! Oh, and when we release a super hype character, oh, lets make sure only a few people can get them!" This game is absolutely fucked and they deserve it. I feel bad for people who have spent money on it.

This is bad, no doubt. However I don't see this changing. Celes/Hypos being that hard to obtain really gives whales that feeling that their money was worth spending. My server has about two whole guilds with heavy spenders. When the Districts went online, most of them couldn't hold a candle to the other servers Krakens. I have spent a couple hundred by now and ,oh boy...If from now on that's how gonna be, there'll be an exodus and not only from F2P.

they will never allow diamonds to be used for stargazing - NEVER! they've learned their lesson with Arena . it's only hypergacha from here on out. . .

Im from south american and was am lucky to have income enough to spend on this game. I did it cause I was lucky with my pulls early on and was honestly having fun. Now Im just beyond angry and remorseful of investing in this game, it kinda feels like I spent a considerable ammount to just barely keep up. With districts Im now barely top 200 on dream realm, I cant reach top 50 on supreme, and thats cause Im in the top guild in my server and constantly top 20 in arena. 5 of my guilds whales just gave up with how bad the game has been, and still, no one can remove them from top spots from both arenas, those are now just completely inaccessible rewards, since with hos much they spent, they are likely a year ahead of us (and Im already a minority with how much I spent). Atm I decided to not spend anything and will only keep playing until I feel like the ammount I spent has payed itself or notice this is conpletely hopeless

I took a week-long break because I was burned out in AFKJ. I come back to this awesome Celestial and realized that my poor Reiner isn't hitting Mystic+ for another year or so.

Given that everything it time gated, spending any money at all is just silly to me. You can't just go and fight whenever you want and enjoy your characters. So you're only ever spending money to play the game a bit, and in the late game stuff most of it is just busy work. Ring a bell at a lizard, chase a bird. Wow, my dream game. These 2 things to me are even bigger problems that need to be addressed. There should be some way to fight as much as you want, even if it doesn't yield much reward.

This actually makes sense. Most gacha game publishers want to get players hooked on a daily habit as a close second to burst spending. Think about it, if I get you committed to a 6 month daily log in, what kind of little of purchases can I frustrated out of the player along the way? It's like a subscription: I would rather you stick around and sorta gripe rather than just walk away

I hear what your saying, but I don't feel like it's as big of an issue as you think it is. I use Alsa and Reinier in my Eironn, depending on placement, I am able to take down top 5 teams in arena. They are using scarlita, phraesto and dionel in their defenses. I mean, my alsa took does a scarlita and phraesto with the #1 ranked player on my server. So needing to pull for these "special/premium" heros are absolutely not needed. Just be smart on who you max out.

The Reward System is just bad. Not quite sure why they didnt do it like Afk Arena where you either Stargazer or 5000 Diamonds from Events.

Make a cele/hypo meta to players to chase, let's say Phraesto, gather farm and resources to get him Myth+ to being usable during 2-3 months, then they release the new hypo/cele that powercreeps the actual one, so you will have a new objetive to chase, They making us chase the mirage of a carrot and never letting us catch it

In my clan we are a few light spebders (50-150€ a month, depending on offers and the progresion pack is aviable) and cele/hipo feels like a big braket between light spenders and high ones. Reinier and scarlita are a must and now is pharesto that is high on meta and i expect other 3 or more months to start investing on him and in the way could be 3 or 4 new ones so 💀

as f2p player, i don t think this is a big problem, is just another mecanic to ensure that ppl who are willing to spend more to get better results than a f2p, same as lvl system, or VIP system. for me the biggest problem in this game currently is the lack of summon incomes(like events or weekly content, the only content thats reset weekly and generate summon income is honnor duel ) and the replay functionally at one point is just useless cos all the team are just full S+ units so if you don t have that unit at S+ you can not copy the team. also the yellow essence to make a unit +15 its hella expensive idk if i will be able to do it this season if i want so upgrade another unit to +10 a feature to use red essence to make units +15 will be great for f2p cos most of the make a unit +20 is worthless in comparison of making a unit +15

I thought part of the design of these games was that you don't get everything(unless you essentially take out a mortgage for the money over time spent), and that part of the fun was being efficient. Not really interested in Talene, Scarlita will counter her in PVP and if you're doing the smokey push strat then she's not going to be especially useful in main pve modes either.

as a f2p player I'm finally going to make it to champions on my server since lots of people are leaving. I have saved up 102k gems waiting for something OP to dump them into.

I'm in the mid-spender range and pretty much closing up my wallet. They need to seriously look at their monetization strategy. I'm seeing droves of people leaving the game. What whales will keep spending when there is no one left on the server to compete with?

Celestial and Hypogean Units are not for F2P Playing from Day 1 still can't get my Reinier to mythic+ Even though we get single copy of the unit we can't use it any game mode which is in epic/epic+ AFK Journey Devs : F2P players this update is not for you guys

I don't even have my Reinier at M+ yet, been playing for 66 days not F2P, I'll never be able to get her anywhere close to M+

Very good video, I totally agree. Stellar crystals are not accessible enough and the release time for celestials/hypogeans is much too fast!

Talene worries me. If they bring her same kit over there will be teams that are literally unbeatable. The whales will run rampant and edge anyone else out of any competition. I feel they are in panic mode as the last few rate ups have tanked and knee jerked out Talene to get some money without realizing what that means for the game.

It's probably too late but they could have made it like a normal S level unit which requires only 8 copies in total.

They should do like they do in afk areana 5000 diamonds = 10 pull for stargazer

Exactly what I've been repeating over and over. Completely inaccessible and even if we could get a single pull or two, there's so many other things we need to spend diamonds on to be honest. Frankly, we need to see stellar crystals increased or give a free copy when members clear events surrounding hero releases, just like they did in afk arena

I spent some money at the start of the game to support the devs, but I am half way to uninstalling it. Feels like a waste of time and money and it's made for whales only

Agree devs need to have more means of obtaining stellar crystals, either diamonds or other tickets or even more rewards to access them. Same for temporal essences.

Finally someone who spoke for us f2p I am personally not a fan of the stellar crystal concept they should do a celestial rate up or something or give us more ways to obtain stargazes

Should I stop at mythic+ for reiner and start building for talene?

they need SLOW down with hero releases or make it EASIER for us to get MORE summons.

I’m using subtitels on this dude, not cuz my english succs but because of his strong accent 😂

I’ve said it before but why are we getting another celhypo so soon. There should be 5 on the regular banner for every 1 celhypo

My rienier is only at M. 2 more copies to M+ . I want scarlita after him, but now im not sure.

i stopped bying them to focus on last s tiers to get paragon. 4 heroes left and it does not seem worth buying the orbs

The way this game is going, this game is doomed for f2p. Im not spending anything until they change things

Now that they're making me wait half a year to get my berial to even m+ can they at least buff his ass smh