With timelord companions like susan or romana I think it would be amazing if they came back for their regeneration story so their stories could continue if the actresses didn't want to come back for more than one special.
I also think Jamie holding the recorder saying “I miss him you know” is also frazer talking about pat, they were best mates through that era and even close after who. The recorder part wasn’t just a tribute to 2 but to his close friend who he misses dearly P.s. sos Josh know hartnell is your bae but patty boy will always be my classic doc x
@JoshSnares Great video Josh, glad you decided to cover Tales like this. Regarding Colin's new costume, I got to meet Colin in November of last year just after Tales of the TARDIS had debuted and asked him about it, mainly on the idea that if he requested a new costume. Colin told me he hadn't requested a new costume at all and was expecting to arrive on the filming day to have the original costume there. When he arrive he found out that they had created this new costume for him. My best guess is RTD was aware of Colin's dislike of the costume (though he was always willing to don it whenever called for) and decided to surprise him with something new. It's a fine costume and has several call backs to the original one, like the cat badge, but it is pretty jarring when you consider Peter and Sylvester had their original costumes again. I would've prefered either all the Doctors in their original costumes or each one getting a new costume or for McCoy, putting him in the TV movie costume.
I was talking to Sylvester McCoy at a con about a possible Five-ish Doctors sequel and he'd said that, sadly, the BBC stepped in to stop it from happening for whatever reason. I'd mentioned that it was hopefully because they were planning something more official for the 60th that featured classic Doctors and he agreed. I was so damn pleased to have found out that was the case with Tales of the TARSIS. I'll always wonder if he knew at the time and couldn't say anything...
@@JoshSnares Wholeheartedly agree. In retrospect the Fish Doctors was perfect as a one off thing and the classic series getting some proper love from the beeb was a lovely surprise for the 60th. I'm very happy with how it all worked out.
I agree cutdown edits would have been cool! The best ones for me were the Steven/Vicki, Jamie/Zoe and Jo/Clyde for the same reasons as you really. They were very respectful of Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee and are probably my favourite eras of Classic Who. Katy is just the best and I'm sad we never got the Jo Jones Adventures!
Tales of the Tardis was perfect! Seeing Peter as the doctor again was the biggest treat of the 60th for me. Although my one complaint is no Nyssa appearance. I hope there’s a second series. Hopefully one with Five and peri or six an Mel as we didn’t get much screen time with these pairings.
i hope in the second season we get a reunion between the Eighth Doctor and Grace, they had so much chemistry in the movie and i'd love to see more of them!
While that would be cool, it's wildly unlikely due to the rights situation around her. Maybe Daphne Ashbrook can just show up and never be addressed by name?
Ooo I hadn’t thought about there being any sort of ease of use with the Fox-Disney-BBC bridge built, but then again I’ve never looked into the rights any one group has over any certain parts lmao
The thing about Colin's costume, it is a very expensive item, and I imagine that creating a new one for such a short scene would be cost prohibitive, and certainly not worth it as the actor prefers not to wear it. I do wish they had evoked it with a more colorful selection of clothes, though.
15:27 I kinda think it wasn't cost, since it shows up here. But maybe it's a surviving prop I'm not familiar with, and Colin wearing the costume would require a new one, I don't know.
@@Jansenbakerif the one onscreen in your timestamp came out of an archive it’s definitely not gonna fit present day Colin and I imagine with the age and it basically being a museum piece now you wouldn’t want him stretching and/or stressing it. If it is a piece they made now for the sake of having it on set, then yeah they definitely should have just gone whole hog and made him wear the thing
He's worn something like it for Big Finish promotional photos, so it couldn't have been that big of an issue. Personally, my guess is that this was actually intended to be the Curator, tbh.
@megelizabeth9492 that's been my thinking too and because it is Peri, why else would he just accept being called Doctor by an old friend and not Curator?
When I saw the Sixth Doctor and Peri's ending and they go off for new adventures, I cheered. It's the biggest middle finger to Michael Grade and the unfair treatment that Colin Baker has gotten. And it almost brings tears to my eyes.
I think my thoughts on the Memory TARDIS are best summed up by Moffat ten years ago: "Time travel has always been possible in dreams." No bi-regeneration or overarching villain needed. I like your idea for potential future installments of this series using edited versions of the episodes. Considering how we've just had The Daleks given that treatment, I think there's a real possibility of these two concepts being brought together!
*Disjointed Sequel Ramble Time:* Hartnell still has Carol Ann Ford and Anneke Wills, which, the more I think about, could be a very cute pairing. Susan talking about how her grandfather left her and Polly talking about how the first Doctor regenerated. They could watch the Dalek Invasion of Earth or The Tenth Planet. Pertwee has John Levene as Benton and…that’s it. Tom Baker has Louise Jameson and Lalla Ward, and either could be paired with John Leeson as K9. But if I remember rightly, Lalla Ward lives abroad. If we want to be cheeky, there’s also Matthew Waterhouse who could play a “memory Adric”. Davison still has Sarah Sutton and Mark Strickson, though what their adventure would be; I don’t know. They really only share two episodes together: Mawdryn Undead and Terminus. Which I suppose you could use to analyse Nyssa’s departure or Turlough’s origin. If you really wanted to dig deep, you could make a new Kamelion prop and discuss Kamelion’s traumatic mental health, but somehow I don’t think that one’s going to happen. Colin and McCoy only have Bonnie Langford; and I think we have more than enough Mel content with Doctor Who right now than ever :) The TV Movie is the go-to choice for McGann. It’d be great to see McGann with Daphne Ashbrook or Yee Jee Tso. That reunion would be fantastic, and you can see what these characters did after refusing to join the Doctor. And if they go down the route of Vengeance or Fenric, you could imply that they do get to go an actual adventure. The big problem being the licenses of these characters and the TV movie itself. That is a whole other kettle of fish. I honestly think a great shakeup would be to include the villains instead of the Doctor and Companion. Namely the Master. You could include an incarnation like John Simm, Michelle Gomez and Sacha Dhawan and give them some emotional closure that they can’t get in a full TV episode, while reminiscing about a Roger Delgado story. Alternatively, you could subvert expectations and have them refuse to open up and actively enjoy being the Master. Also, I know Derek Jacobi announced his retirement a while ago, but could you imagine getting to see him truly perform as the War Master onscreen? I would adore more Tales of the TARDIS episodes, especially if they got some sort of physical release :D
I'd personally rather have Eight with one of his Big Finish companions he referenced in Night of the Doctor, like Charley Pollard, although how you would actually pull that off I have no idea. (Maybe an animated version of Chimes of Midnight?)
If I was RTD…this would be my second series 1. Susan and David on The Dalek Invasion Of Earth 2. Jo and Benton on The Daemons 3. 4 and Leela on The Robots Of Death 4. 5 and Nyssa on Black Orchid 5. 6 and Mel on Terror Of The Vervoids 6. 8 and Bernice on the TV Movie
as always, an amazing must-see video - loved the ideas and thoughts - agreed with everything and wish more could be made of these pairings... thanks Josh :)
I loved ace and 7s it was really great. I would love to see a constrained story with the two as a finisher . Play to their ages, you don't need to go running around like a lunatic have it more akin to ghostlight so it's held in one place. I have no issue with the memory TARDIS and I love the 13th doctors "fire" with the crystals. Very cool.
11:58 - I thought that handkerchief you can see was the throwback to his original costume - a slight nod to it, while not using it. Reminded a bit of Q's line from Casino Royale - "You were expecting an exploding pen? Yeah, we don't really go in for that anymore".
Wonderful! Glad you decided to review and talk about these as they were a delight!! Seeing Jamie and Zoe was such a highlight as I was just happy their memories came back!
Your comment about it being unlikely to ever see Steven in the new series is particularly funny, since apparently, according to RTD in DWM, in early drafts of The Giggle, the Vlinx was actually going to be a cow in a space helmet, called the Ruminant, and then it was going to be revealed that the Ruminant was actually Steven in disguise (referencing the "space helmet for a cow" line from the Time Meddler. )
Why stop there it could be more important for the current fans to have a better insight in the secrets of stories sometimes forgotten or reset or not. Tales Of The Tardis is larger than the inside it is a Fantastical history with sadness and darkness and many unknown mysteries due to plot holes. I imagine even the Tardis have memories, and should have a tale to tell. Though how it could have been done surprisingly. Additionally, if it is possible a very different version from those behind the cameras 60 year's worth of pictures and lost notes and some oddities say around the 70s and 80s with possible outtakes unseen orf Forgotten? Memories Of Time and Space insight inside The Tardis. Dedications to the first second third Doctors by some who knew them best families and companions and especially William Russell because he and his co-star deserve more they were the first alongside Susan Foreman. Carol Ann Ford.
As usual, great to hear your thoughts Josh! Tales was a fantastic part of the 60th! It was the perfect way to bring back classic companions and doctors and I really hope they end up doing a season 2 with the 4th / 8th Doctors and companions, It would maybe be interesting to catch up with rose and the meta crisis doctor? Or just a catch-up in general of some new series companions? Like maybe a companion meeting session in the remebered tardis?
Completely agree that they should have used cut down edits, as more of a bridge to introduce Nu-Who fans to Classic Who, 45 minute versions would be ideal!
that being said, I like to think the memory tardis is sort of like... the tardis dreaming about past companions and connecting them to the doctor while they all share a dream likely forgotten in the morning. a time vortex vr hangout lobby if you will
Wonderful review! Thinking back, it’s got to be my highlight from the 60th anniversary. Stories written with love, passion and care for the characters and acted beautifully by all the actors. Waking up on the 1st Nov and binging them all was emotional and joyous. I think with Mel already being in the main show, it opens the door for classic companions to either appear in the main show or another spinoff entirely.
I wonder if the Memory TARDIS is the 14th Doctor's TARDIS becoming that after he's gone. On Trenzalore or otherwise. Maybe the Memory TARDIS is somewhere in the massive TARDIS on Trenzalore, and all this could be happening while The Name of the Doctor is going on.
I feel what ultimately hurt tales of the tardis was it’s exclusivity to bbc cause there are international fans like me who love watching the show in general no matter who is the doctor even though we have our favorite doctor like me mine is Matt but I ultimately love just watching the show and having most of the 60th anniversary being bbc exclusive could’ve made the anniversary feel lackluster compared to the 50th anniversary celebration that felt more internationally inclusive
I’ll be honest Josh, you’re like the only Whotuber I’m watching at the moment. I’m haven’t really been feeling that into the show recently but your videos are so good that I watch them despite that
I'm glad you got more out of these than me! The only one I thought wasn't sappy, over-explained crap was the Vicki/Steven one. I think maybe just because they slip right back, but moreso because it's a dynamic we haven't seen overdone to death (Adric griefing/Peri's departure/Ace forgiving 7) The in-character introductions to the missing episodes and stuff on the ___ Years VHS tapes gave me more than this. I kinda hope this one doesn't come back. It's not going to reach new viewers and fans have seen these scenes endless times. Makes me sad that the actors can all return and this is all they ever seem to be able to do anymore. Also strikes me as RTD and co wanting to do 'their version' as if it has more value than the expanded material.
They spend SO much time explaining the premise each time that it eats into any actual fun, too. Nobody caaaares why they're able to recount their adventures. Doctorverse yourself off, Davies.
@@lepterfirefall No, but access to BBC iPlayer requires a TV licence, so anyone who would need a VPN to access it would also be incapable of having such a licence.
If Colin didn't want to wear the rainbow jacket, it might have been cool if they made him the blue variant from his offscreen adventures. Or hell. just put him in a rainbow waistcoat or something instead. Also, what if the memory tardis is The Doctor "doing rehab out of order"?
I enjoyed these a lot. They came at a time when I was having a little doctor who binge in the run up to the anniversary, so it was a fun different way to watch some extra stories. I ended up watching it in doctorial order, time meddler then mind robber, then three doctors etc. I was happy to watch them all the way through because I'd been watching full doctor who serials anyway. It was interesting that the scene in the Time Meddler where the vikings raid the village and the woman's reaction to that later on are both absent from the TOTT release, I suspect that maybe with the nature of what is implied to have happened there they wanted to make it a little more family friendly, and that is super dark, it's the only thing I noticed to be edited out from these omnibus editions.
Perhaps they should’ve gotten Nev Fountain to write the Vengeance on Varos book ends. I think he’s Six and Peri’s best writer, as he’s able to make the dynamic feel warm and funny while still acknowledging the problematic sides of their relationship. As for potential future episodes, I’d love one for the Dalek invasion of Earth with Paul McGann and Carole Anne Ford, since 8 and Susan have met up quite a lot in the audios, so the actors have a pre-established rapport with one another. Plus, 8 mentioned Lucie and Tamsin in Night of the Doctor, so we at least know that his reunions with Susan are probably canonical.
If there was to be a second run of this series perhaps they don't need to use the Memory TARDIS and 2 companions but maybe structure the story like Big Finish's Companion Chronicles range where a past companion recounts an adventure to a relative or friend. For example, Vicki could tell her grandchildren about 'The Chase'.
Great vid again, Josh 🥰 I've somewhat got mixed reaction to this series. I watched a couple of 'Tales' but ran out of steam, meaning to come back to them at a later time - unrealised at this point. I can't characterise why . But enjoyed your vid so it may inspire me to watch the remaining 'Tales'. Having said that, The Time Meddler was excellent.
I suspect if there's a second season of Tales, it'll be informed by the reception to Ncuti's first season. It would need to be expanded, perhaps involving somethings from the 2005 relaunch onwards. Or allowing the characters to prepare for a new challenge, post-Doctor....
I've got to find a way to see this series. You said you cried for all of them... I was getting chocked up with you just talking about Seven and Ace episode. Seven was my Doctor! So, to get a chance to see last classic TARIS team together again would just be ACE!
I think after Fraser Hines as Jamie, Peter Purves is my favourite actor as Stephen. Very Underated. Purve's Favourite performances include Galaxy 4 and The Massacre and The Savages.
Growing up and seeing the original doctors and companions come and go. The memory Tardis is down the hall, past the coffee machine and 4th door on the left. The Tardis is the longest companion when you think about it. She knows how much these companions meant to The Doctor. If there was a second series, Definitely Amy and Rory, Bill Potts. I would be doing cartwheels if Lalla Ward comes back as Romana and joining Leela to reminisce about their travels with the 4th Doctor. Romana recounting she was sent by who she thought was the president who turned out to be The White Guardian. Leela telling us what life was like on Gallifrey and says, Oh you’re the one they were talking about after K9 and I stayed behind and you joined The Doctor looking for a key. These stories never end.
I had met Frazer and Wendy at a convention in Swansea back in September last year and apparently, the day after, they had gone up to Cardiff to film their exerts for ‘Tales of the TARDIS’.
My dream spinoff would be from The Invasion. After the Cybermen are thwarted Tobias Vaughn and PACKER have to move in to an apartment together. We follow them as they go about their day to day lives and Vaughn keeps bossing poor PACKER around and shouting at him. For extra characters the weird Cyber Controller and the computer that Zoe destroyed are there too, they have been repaired but they have lost their marbles and they are very candid. Every now and then the crazy cyberman from the sewers pops and makes a mess in the place and Tobias Vaughn blames poor PACKER and yells at him to clean it up. The show writes itself.
I caught Tales of the TARDIS on RU-vid (no VPN). I really liked the episodes. Nice concept and really great to see these characters (and actors) back. For me Jamie & Zoe brought a tear to this cynical Boomer. Very cool to see fans like yourself appreciating the Classics(in your case with amazing knowledge and humour). Let's face it some are tough to watch. PS I agree with the comments on Colin's costume
I think it's interesting you raise the point about Mark Hamill. It just reminds of the whole Family Guy Blue Harvest thing when Peter/Han introduces himself as 'the only actor whose career isn't destroyed by these movies'. Our identification with companions comes primarily from this source. In any case, I had a Luke Skywalker figure long before a Dr Who figure (although not the rare one with the yellow lightsabre).
Hey I’ve loved your channel for a few months now. Would you be open to discussing Patrick Troughton’s run in maybe a ranking? I’m looking to make a documentary about Troughton and I’d love to talk to you about it 🙏
The way I viewed it was the doctor in the memory Tardis was one of the current doctors but taking one of their older forms because of the memories they are remembering inside the memory Tardis, I guess sort of like how the ai hologram doctor worked in power of the doctor.
God I loved these a great selection of episodes and each bit with the characters was great I love seven and aces part was the best also I really really really really REALLY want one with the 8th doctor and Charlie I know it’s big finish I know they can’t really do that but it would be so nice to re look at there adventures
I think it's interesting how the earlier companions feel more real given this kind of dialogue. It's kind of playing to what we think of as a simpler time - and it was - but in the midst of that they're allowed to care about each other. When you get to the 1980s, where the non-resting bitch face became a norm and infighting was almost the default setting for a Tardis team (at least until the second half of the decade), being that close suddenly feels jarring. So what you're getting is these characters mellowing over time. Of course we can go back and find joy in Tegan 'flying off the handle like that...' or Zoe snootily rejoining 'At least you didn't think of it. That would have been awful'. Because our younger selves are funnier and perhaps more spontaneous. But later on other things take their place.
Ha. You watched the same full episodes as me. I watched Earthshock one because it was the first and The Mind River. Because I’d never seen that story but for all the others I only watched the Dream TARDIS sequences and skipped the actual story
My ONLY criticism about the series is that I wish it was just between the companions remembering the adventures, so The Fifth Doctor and Tiegan should've been Tiegan and Nyssa meeting and remembering Adric before making him appear. Susan and Ian meeting and remembering Barbara would be amazing too. If you had to have a Doctor meet a companion, it would HAVE to be Fourth Doctor and Romana II (which might need to be filmed separately because of Baker and Ward's relationship lol)
If Susan were to return, why not pair her with Ian? The story could be "The Daleks' Invasion of Earth", and they could end the Memory TARDIS segment by talking about their lives after leaving the Doctor... Susan and her life with David - the farming (possibly), their children, etc. Ian, hopefully ending up with Barbara - would they have had children, or would they have been active in enviromental issues as implied in "Planet of Giants", or possibly both? If not for certain a person whose parent wrote the premiere story of the program, maybe we could have had Ian and Susan discussing the events of "An Unearthly Child"; but sadly that's not looking likely.
If they do a Fourth Doctor era one, I wonder if it'll be Leela or Romana II, and if they'll just have it be one of the two talking to K-9. And I really want a Eighth Doctor one where Time War era Eight meets Grace. I need my Eighth Doctor angst fix
