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Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 - This is what KIT lenses should be! (but never are) 

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@salsabilahmedshrestho960
@salsabilahmedshrestho960 Год назад
"This is the one lens everyone wishes their kit lens to be" - This basically is the most accurate description of this lens.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it's true
@dddmmm21
@dddmmm21 Год назад
I just got this lens... It should be the perfect travel camera. 20mm is great for those wide landscape/architecture pics and 40mm is super ok for portrait, putting people in front of the landmarks. I will prob simply bring my 85mm prime for those 10% occasions where a narrow view is required. These 2 lens with the A7C should make this an unbeatable travel combo.
@RaviPatel85
@RaviPatel85 Год назад
That was my thought - curious on the photo performance
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes, this and a telephoto and you have pretty much every angle covered
@JohnDennery
@JohnDennery Год назад
I never could get excited enough for the 17-28 because 35mm is my favorite focal length. The 16-35 gm is way too big and expensive so this is really marketed to people like me who are focused on portability, usefulness, and value. This lens paired with the 28-200 and you're ready for anything! Thanks for the great review as always Pav!
@pratheesh829
@pratheesh829 Год назад
I am cinematographer cum photographer my budget is not so much planning to buy 20,35,85 and 28-75 Bt now i am moving to 20-40,50,85,135 i can get 2 extra lens 50 and 135 due to this lens
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you! I could never get excited about Tamron 17-28. The only lens that I have owned and not reviewed. This is ace
@Princeton_James
@Princeton_James Год назад
Got mine yesterday. I love this length more than a 16-35. And the fact that its 2.8 this is unbeatable.
@Chris-ey7zy
@Chris-ey7zy Год назад
Best event photography lens. Isn’t stupid big and heavy like the 24-70 2.8. Thank you Tamron
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is awesome
@rayrestufauzi
@rayrestufauzi 7 месяцев назад
Are you using gimball or it just handheld? 2:17
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 7 месяцев назад
handheld
@scottmoore5839
@scottmoore5839 Год назад
I can't tell you how happy I am to see manufacturers making lens like this. So, hats off to Tamron for investing in these lenses for production. I hope it's a huge success for them. With that being said. I think they missed the mark a little, "at least for me" I wish they could have made this lens at 20 - 50 f 2.8 In my mind the prefect travel/vacation lens would have been 20-50mm 2.8 - But maybe they choose 20-40 to keep it smaller and lighter. I'm not sure how the math of making lenes is and how much that would have affected the final product.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I believe it is only 20-40mm f2.8 to keep the size down.
@HoomanBhr
@HoomanBhr Год назад
Agreed with you, we still can have 60mm at crop mode but if it was 20-50mm then it could be super awesome.
@pcenzopl
@pcenzopl Год назад
20-50 f2.8 will be heavier and longer
@aiartbx
@aiartbx Год назад
Another great review. This lens is amazing for what it is. I just wish Tamron pushed the narrow end to 50 or 60 instead of 40mm. Totally understand the compromise but to me 50mm f2.8 is where portraits start to look amazing.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
me too but this would surely make this lens much bigger and heavier
@MorganBallardWheeler
@MorganBallardWheeler 8 месяцев назад
Amazing video. I'm watching while I wait for mine to arrive in the mail! You mentioned all the reasons why I wanted to get it!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
it's a great lens!
@Martinez_Photos
@Martinez_Photos Год назад
I haven't been disappointed with Tamron lenses for some time now. I used the 35-150 on my Nikon D750, and the 18-400 on my Nikon D5300. On my Sony A7riii and A7Riiia, I have used the 17-28 f2.8, 28-75 f2.8, 70-300, 28-200 f2.8-5.6, and now the 20-40mm f2.8. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot for about six months due to a back injury, but I plan to this weekend for the first time with the 20-40mm that I bought a few weeks ago. Your review helped me with my latest Tamron purchase.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
"35-150 on my Nikon D750"???? this lens is only available in e-mount
@stanleyhan5465
@stanleyhan5465 Год назад
Great video. This lens is on my camera most of the time while travelling and always filming my family. It is portable and amazingly very sharp. The picture quality is outstanding. The other lens I carry around is the Tamron 35-150mm that is perfect for places of interest like zoo and parks where zoom is needed. Both of these lens combo are the only lens you need while travelling on holiday.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I could live with just those two lenses and nothing else
@rj350z
@rj350z Год назад
Pav, great stuff my man. If it's not too much trouble, could you indicate what focal length the photos were taken at in your zoom lens review videos (e.g. 20mm, 35mm, 40mm, etc.)? It would be really helpful! Thanks for all of your work.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you! I can add that info now. all the photos in the video were taken at different focal lengths. Adding that info to every single photo in edit takes really long time - I only do it if the zoom setting is crucial to the lens' performance. Not the case here.
@MattSpaugh
@MattSpaugh Год назад
The Zeiss 16-35 f/4 has always been my go-to for a wide angle zoom but this lens really intrigues me for all the reasons you mention in your video. I've been wanting something faster and I'm thinking this is the one. I've always referred to Tamron as "the Toyota of lenses": solid, reliable, good value, etc. I've loved my 28-200 much more than I ever thought I would. Great review, beautiful footage, keep up the good work!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
haha "the Toyota of lenses"! Thank you!
@arquivo225
@arquivo225 Год назад
I would prefer prime lenses like 20, 28 and 35mm and could be f/1.8 or 2.0, so they are a good point between compact size, weight, price and a nice background isolation. But this 20-40 although 2.8 seems very interesting to a kind of walkaround. It's not easy to decide. Nice review!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thanks! It's the convenience of not have to change lenses all the time
@p4ul.f708
@p4ul.f708 Год назад
wow! what a lens! I absolutely would love to see such a lens on apsc. Like an 13-30 f2.8 :D
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
that would be nice - there is 11-20mm ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q_ME5O-sFLs.html
@LucaBono.Studio
@LucaBono.Studio Год назад
Amazing focal range and lens! I should go back to Sony 😂 Tamron is doing a great job! Great review Pav, loved the sample photos!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thanks Luca! I couldn't give up on Lumix, that's why I shoot with both! Yes, Tamron are really smashing it right now.
@ClementFaucher
@ClementFaucher Год назад
I own the Tamron 35-150 2,8 and thinking for a lens for gimbal work, wondering if the sharpness in video is enough for professional work ? coz I was hesitating with the Sony 16-35 f2,8 but the price and the weight.. don't know if its worth
@ayansinghh
@ayansinghh Год назад
i own 70-180 which is a great lens but for my gimbal work i used to have 14mm 2.8 from samyang which used to struggle a lot to focus thats why i sold 14mm for 16-35 f/4 pz by sony
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
that depends how you define "sharp enough for proffessional work". If you mean if it does auto focus well, then it is as good as any sony lens in my opinion
@joebledea
@joebledea Год назад
Awesome review as usual! What lens did you use to film yourself in the introduction (in the woods :)) the bokeh is outstanding!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thank you! It was not in the woods but just outside of my house 😂 This was filmed with Sony a7sIII and Sony 50mm f1.2 GM lens: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FNhZ8s0hmI8.html
@joebledea
@joebledea Год назад
@@PavSZ thank you for your reply, great to have such a nice backdrop just behind your house!
@k5949507
@k5949507 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for the excellent review!!! May I ask what camera you used to shoot this video? I love the color tone of the video.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
thank you. This video was filmed with Sony a7sIII and Sony 50mm f1.2 GM lens
@k5949507
@k5949507 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for the confirmation!!!
@NKM_Pixels
@NKM_Pixels 11 месяцев назад
i need help, im confuse which between 17-28 and 20-40 mm , which one shlould i get. focus length doesnt matter. which one is better for videography.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
how long is a piece of string? They both are great lenses. Only you can decide which one is better for you based on the price and what you are going to use it for
@viveksawhney5691
@viveksawhney5691 Год назад
I would love to see a lens with a very slightly larger range on the long end. Additional weight would be ok in that compromise. 50 or 60 mm would be perfect. I just don't know that this would be great for portraits.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
that would make this lens much larger and heavier
@kuyajayyoutubechannel5389
@kuyajayyoutubechannel5389 Год назад
What SD card did u use for all ur camera.?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I use Lexar 128Gb v60 in most of my cameras. They are fast enough for photos and I record video always externally to Atomos Ninja Vs
@tourinojacks5844
@tourinojacks5844 7 месяцев назад
THANK YOU for this review. I feel like you covered a lot of good points. The only thing you should have done to add more value to the vid, is mention other lenses in comparison. You could have went a little deeper with that part but besides that, this vid was perfect, sir. Liked and subbed. 📸💯💪
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 7 месяцев назад
Thank you! It is very difficult to cover everything and talk about everything. I try to go with a feel I have about any given lens at the moment of making a review and see what comes out.
@YellowPeaks
@YellowPeaks Год назад
what a wonderful and very useful focal range, and a lovely review as always
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is and thank you very much
@dmmchugh3714
@dmmchugh3714 Год назад
Is this lens suitable for indoor real estate photography ? Beautifully executed video, BTW.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Absolutely. Thank you!
@andrewkim1247
@andrewkim1247 Год назад
Does this lens support/work well with active steadyshot?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes
@mellin7049
@mellin7049 Год назад
damn this video really impressed me production wise. looks stunning. congrats.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
oh thank you very much! it was filmed with Sony a7sIII in s-log3 onto Atomos Ninja V in Apple ProRes and graded in Adobe Premiere. Lens used was Sony 50mm f1.2 G Master
@mellin7049
@mellin7049 Год назад
@@PavSZ awesome! thank you so much.
@AzarathGirl123
@AzarathGirl123 6 месяцев назад
I bought this lens too, can't seem to be able to take it off my camera tho 😅 It's good enough for dinner shots with my family as well as some landscape photography
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 6 месяцев назад
YES!
@razafiarisonmichael4421
@razafiarisonmichael4421 Год назад
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Which camera + lens did you use for your video with the greenery on background ? It looks really nice !
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thank you! This video was filmed with Sony a7sIII and Sony 50mm f1.2 G Master onto Atomos Ninja V in Slog-3 and graded in Adobe Premiere
@ruff1draft
@ruff1draft Год назад
Pav I absolutely love your colour grade on this film
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thank you so much!
@ruff1draft
@ruff1draft Год назад
@@PavSZ Keep up the great work
@SuperSteve369
@SuperSteve369 Год назад
concise factual review. Helpful. How new is the lens in the market ?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thanks! it's just come out
@andersistbesser
@andersistbesser Год назад
The video looks a bit redish to me. Did you do this or is this a sony color profile?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I've used my own teal and orange LUT, that was my own preference a the time of making this video
@AndreSilva-lj6bs
@AndreSilva-lj6bs Год назад
Can you configura one of the rings for aperture or is it just for manual focus?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
there is only zoom and focus rings but you can change the focus ring to change the aperture via the Tamron Utility software, the lens has got USB-C socket on it to connect it to your computer. I talk about it in my video
@asa9268
@asa9268 6 месяцев назад
Im a pixel peeper guilty as charged and a sucker for sharpness and cropping compositions on my a7riv..would sharpness of this lens be enough for me?didnt like cropped shots of the tamron 28-75 at all..
@markofadljevic1975
@markofadljevic1975 Год назад
Is this lens needed if I already have the Tamron 11-20 f2.8 aps-c lens that I use on the ff Sony A7C? Talking about video work only!!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
probably not
@mariusm4623
@mariusm4623 Год назад
Nice photos of Warsaw. Cheers.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it 😉
@frankfeng2701
@frankfeng2701 Год назад
Perfect kit lens for a7c, or FX3 if power zoom isn't needed.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is!
@PicturePaletteProductions
@PicturePaletteProductions 7 месяцев назад
Hi would you say this is better than the Sony 16-35mm Vario-Tessar T FE F4 ZA OSS ?? (I shoot more video)
@hanfpv3093
@hanfpv3093 Год назад
This is by far one of the best lens reviews i have seen! Im going to hong kong and bali on vacation this year with my a7c.. for that camera i have the 28-60 kitlens, the sony zeiss 24-70 f4(with broken autofocus), a canon fd 28mm f2.8, a pantax 28mm f2.8, and lastly a helios 44-2 (58mm) but i want a wide lens to film in hong kong (mostly at night with low light.. im really torn between the new viltrox 16mm f1.8 and the tamron 17-28.. but this review makes me want to just buy this 20-40 and take only this lens and the helios... man i still cant make up my mind😂 anyway, GREAT REVIEW!
@RaviPatel85
@RaviPatel85 Год назад
First, great review. Second, you talk a lot of the video performance, any thoughts on photo performance? Gerald Undone didn’t seem very impressed
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I think my photo samples speak or themselves in my review. I really like it and I found no problems with it photo performance wise at all. Solid performer
@SuperSuperka
@SuperSuperka Год назад
interesting Canon made (almost) this lens ages ago for SLRs, which was 20-40/2.7-3.5
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
almost
@ramonarias1234
@ramonarias1234 Год назад
Perfect lens to pair with a 85 1.4 prime... . what more will you need? Just hope it opens to the Nikon Z system 🙏
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
maybe they will make it with Nikon Z mount in the future
@fabri5318
@fabri5318 Год назад
I’m hoping these too! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@martindemanable
@martindemanable Год назад
damn, this lens got me thinking about a system change to sony. Nothing compares to it!
@Princeton_James
@Princeton_James Год назад
Yup. Lenses are for sure helps me to love my Sony. Overall Sony is excellent but these lenses are unbeatable.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
there is certainly huge choice when it comes to Sony-E mount and Tamron are doing something different for sure
@justa2
@justa2 Год назад
Panasonic 20-60 ?
@denniswong5771
@denniswong5771 Год назад
Just bought it yesterday in HongKong (HK$5,840; US$750) for my a7 iv. Initially quite happy with it. Will shoot a lot to test on it.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is a nice lens
@shtrudel-pu1cm
@shtrudel-pu1cm 5 месяцев назад
we need 20-60/70 2.8 😊
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 4 месяца назад
yes please
@vicentvanmole
@vicentvanmole 8 месяцев назад
They should make it 16-60 instead of cutting on each end . Wide not enough for landscaping,long end not tele at all at 40 .just too short a range with a relative big lens .i think u can just get a prime 20 & switch to ApsC 32will be fine & lighter .
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
16-60 would be a totally different lens. 20mm is more than wide enough for landscape photography and 40mm puts it in the 'standard' lens zone. Very small lens for a zoom with f2.8 aperture. Using 20mm and cropping to get reach might be ok for some but cropping will reduce the resolution.
@nickscott8488
@nickscott8488 11 месяцев назад
Looks smallish for a7cii?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
why would any lens look too small? I guess if you don't like small lenses than this is not for you but .... it is not that small, there are smaller lenses out there
@nickscott8488
@nickscott8488 11 месяцев назад
@@PavSZ ah sorry maybe my comment was not well articulated. I mean its looks quite a compact lens ideal for a7cii.
@DigiDriftZone
@DigiDriftZone Год назад
The one frustrating thing that isn't really Tamron's fault is on modern Sony video centric bodies, Dynamic Stabilisation has a 1.3x crop, so it turns the 20mm into a 26mm. This means the older Tamron 17-28mm F2.8 is a better choice for vlogs, or when ironically you need a 20mm with good stabilisation.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 11 месяцев назад
there are other forms of stabilisation, like gimbals. Also I think that standard stabilisation is good enough most of the time when vlogging. It's just acceptable to have some shake in hand held footage
@husseinaliabdulzahraal-dul1575
Do you think af performance is better in this lens or 17-28mm?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
totally! I have sold my 17-28 as the quality wasn't there when comparing it to many other lenses in the same class
@husseinaliabdulzahraal-dul1575
@@PavSZ ok thanks man i appreciate your answer. do you think getting 40mm over 28mm is more important than getting 17mm over 20mm?
@Reviews4fun1
@Reviews4fun1 Год назад
If I didn’t already own the 16-35 GM I might have considered this one.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
you could sell it, but this and something else
@AdamKozak100
@AdamKozak100 Год назад
really good review, thanks!
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@BookwormSkates
@BookwormSkates Год назад
Wow, about to sell my 24 and 40mm can't believe I never saw this...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is a smashing little lens
@dylandigby1776
@dylandigby1776 9 месяцев назад
Debating between this and the old Sigma 24-35 adapted to an A7RV
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 9 месяцев назад
this!
@kacysmith4060
@kacysmith4060 Год назад
This or the Tamron 28-75 2.8?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
only you can answer this question
@JackieSemple
@JackieSemple 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for your excellent review.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching!
@palathukamalasanangeethana3102
Great review 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
Thank you! 🤗
@worldbest9950
@worldbest9950 Год назад
I love and always love your content. I also like the Lut and presets of this video and the pictures. Please can you share it with me? Thanks
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thank you They will be available to buy soon
@AbhijitBoro
@AbhijitBoro Год назад
Help Me Out.... Will 20mm Be Enough For Indoor Wedding Video Shooting....
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
there is no right answer to your question. yes, maybe, no. It all depends on your shooting style and the wedding venues. I have seen videographers making 24-70mm work for them just fine.
@VynZography
@VynZography Год назад
Oh wow, now finally I can recommend something like the Panasonic 20-60 for people without Panasonic bodies.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
why?
@VynZography
@VynZography Год назад
@@PavSZ Because the 20-60 (I have it) is a phenomenally useful focal range, especially for travel.
@hotiendat66
@hotiendat66 7 месяцев назад
How albout sony 20-70 F4 bro
@williamsolis1
@williamsolis1 Год назад
It looks nicer than tamrons other lenses. Although this shows that Sony aren't at Panasonic's IBIs level
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
how does it show?
@williamsolis1
@williamsolis1 Год назад
@@PavSZ it's simply not as stable. Jitters, moving around isn't as smooth.
@Chris-ey7zy
@Chris-ey7zy Год назад
Just got it today
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
NICE!
@dennispagterchristensen7786
Look super.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thanks
@Ansonandco
@Ansonandco Год назад
FIRST! this looks like a killer lens for sure! "poop, Poop, Poop"😂
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
It certainly is a great little lens!
@dennispagterchristensen7786
Looks super.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
thanks
@jof1954
@jof1954 Год назад
Is the image quality similar to the 28-75?
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
in my opinion, yes
@maheshsuradkar
@maheshsuradkar Год назад
Bring it for the fuji mount.. then we will talk..
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
maybe they will
@markshirley01
@markshirley01 Год назад
Im hoping Nikon get it now that they've done a deal with Tamron
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
let's hope so
@wallystellmacher6794
@wallystellmacher6794 Год назад
Interesting lens, but to be honest, I personally prefer the 16-35 to the 20-40.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yes but ... when it comes to price, size, weight and the spec ... this might, just might win
@DigiDriftZone
@DigiDriftZone Год назад
If your camera has dynamic stabilisation, the Tamron 17-28 is more useful as it effectively becomes a 22-36. Whereas this becomes a 26-52.
@v_stands_for_value124
@v_stands_for_value124 Год назад
20-40 is so little of a zoom it's basically a prime
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
nearly
@albedo0point39
@albedo0point39 Год назад
A $699 lens should be £750 maximum in the UK - even taking account of taxes. £900 they’re charging here is absolutely not worth it.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
that's life. They can charge whatever they want. Sad but true
@johnadams3038
@johnadams3038 Год назад
This is much more than a kit lens to be honest, I bought it just to mainly use it with my gimbal, for which I think that it is just the perfect gimbal lens for my DJI RS3, and I tested it against my GM 35mm and to be honest it is pretty close in terms of sharpness to that GM 35mm. This is crazy that it can compete with a GM, a prime no less.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is a very good lens and so much more versatile and cheaper than 35mm gm
@nisar_adil
@nisar_adil Год назад
I wish this lens was avaliable for Z mount. Hopefully, one day...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
maybe one day
@ostettivictor
@ostettivictor Год назад
"Tamrom is breaching the market with this lenses" -Tokina, Nikon and Canon wich have done the 20-35mm 2.8 lens in the pass 🤡
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
I'm talking about current lenses for mirrorless cameras
@d.s1014
@d.s1014 Год назад
It could have been better if it was 20-70/2.8
@FactNight
@FactNight Год назад
17-70mm is still available
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it would also be much larger, heavier and more expensive
@kentmemories
@kentmemories Год назад
Sigma 16-28/2.8 seems to be better because of internal zoom.
@johnhwang8881
@johnhwang8881 Год назад
I got this lens yesterday. I have it attached to a Sony FX3 on a Zhiyun Crane M3 gimbal. The lens is light and the external zoom is quite minimal so it doesn’t mess with the balance on the gimbal at all.
@frankfeng2701
@frankfeng2701 Год назад
It's larger, more expensive, and a bit too wide for a kit lens.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it is only 28mm zoom and this lens doesn't change the balance of the gimbal at all when zooming in, even though it extends a tiny bit out
@smetljesm2276
@smetljesm2276 Год назад
More like €999 in Europe. A big pass...
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
yep, a bit pricey :(
@pcenzopl
@pcenzopl Год назад
W biednych stanach 3000zł w bogatej bolsce 4500zł. Socjalizm kosztuje.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
życie
@xikefocus
@xikefocus Год назад
Canon sucks. They don't let third party make lens for them. Otherwise this lens would be awesome on the R6 Mark II.
@PavSZ
@PavSZ Год назад
it might change in the future. There is a first Tamron for Nikon Z and Sigma is going to make them too so there is hope for Canon too
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