even if this isn't live audio, their tempo is so on point for all these parts and abrupt changes to be syncable! Got a thank you from james trood when i posted another one of their other milktime videos on my fb. unexpected and amazing
The only spot where you can really tell that it's not the live audio (aside from the fact that the drums are not mic'd) is around 1:44 - 1:50. You can see the drummer bashing on the cymbals and you only hear the hi hat. I usually frown upon overdubbed videos like this because live audio recording is not rocket science and can be done well fairly easily. However, these guys are so pro that it works. I was at this show and the recording is basically what it sounded like.
I first discovered Toe now like one years ago, this totally blew my mind so i constantly searched for math rock or everything like this, sad to discover this only now, but damn, this is so great !
2 guys from Colour I think. Brilliant band. Saw Tangled Hair in Leeds, supporting Owen; knew they were ex-Colour and was not disappointed by their set.
No, that's a jazzmaster. You can tell because the bottom area where the switches are doesn't have the 3-switch system that's most common to jaguars. Now, to compare the 3 guitars amongst each other, the Tele is probably the most versatile of the 3. It has a "barking" treble and really good rhythm pickups. The Jazzmaster's usually better for rhythm and has a warmer tone. I think the Jag has a brighter tone than the Jazz, but/and has a shorter neck. Genre-wise: Tele- Almost anything. Country, indie, and most importantly, math rock. Jazzmaster- Indie rock, post-rock, shoegaze, punk, and also math rock. Tele's and Jazz's are used about equally in math rock, so don't worry too much about that. Jaguar- More hard rock oriented stuff. I mentioned the Jag's shorter neck; along with that I want to add that the Jazz and Tele are the same neck-lengthwise, but Tele's usually have skinnier and thinner necks. To delve deeper into what you'd use a Jazz vs a Tele for math rock-wise, bands like TTNG use Tele's more because they're brighter and easier to do REALLY fast stuff on. Bands like Tangled Hair, which don't do really fast stuff use Jazz's...usually. Jazz's can be fast, Tele's can be good rhythm guitars. I'd recommend trying both out to see which one you like more
ppl need to know that like.... music is the same. prog, math, whatever. its cool guitars doing lots of stuff. a lot of genres come about due to local music "scenes" and have kind of cultures behind them. math rock is just a helpful label for bands that have similar ideas about music and are from similar areas
Prog's time signature changes are quite less if compared to what's called math. It also doesn't use tapping as extensively. Furthermore, no math rock song I know of exceeds the 10 minute barrier, opposite of prog rock. Math is definitely much more fast-paced and schizophrenic as a genre than prog (which I love as well, don't get me wrong on that!) Even more, prog doesn't exist since the early 70s. It exists since King Crimson's first performance on Hyde Park in the late 60s.
InsomniumX Okay it was popularized in the early 70s then. All these labels are lame, they just are. I get the same vibe from "math rock" as "prog rock". Odd time, lots of parts, nothing commercial, same old.
But prog rock usually follow Crescendos in their "lots of part", while math rocks changes can be very, very abrupt (most multipart prog songs start with the quietest section, whilst many math ones begin super fast--like the one in this video). Back in the day, many people preferred to call Red-era King Crimson "avant-garde" because their more "immediate" and also "heavier" style distinguished them from their contemporaries. This is true times ten-fold for math. I'd personally never confuse a math rock with a prog song; for example, TTNG can sound almost pop-ish despite their super intricate riffs, unlike prog. As a matter of fact, I can hardly think of a better example of the difference between genres than TTNG. I suggest you search "if i sit still maybe ill get out of here live" here in youtube; no one would ever confuse that song with prog, but it IS math. My point is, there are obvious similarities not only between prock and math but also between prog and post-rock, but why the hell NOT have these subgenres if they're more specific and help people much more in finding similar music?
Why not have all the subgenres? Why divide people more than they already are? The idea is, it is music, period. If you like it, great, if you don't, find something else. We as a society have this need to label everything and that sucks. Just let it be what it is. Prog rock is a perfectly acceptable label for something progressive that has rock guitar and drums and pushes musical boundaries.
But that's the thing! Genres and subgenres are NOT real, they are an ABSTRACTION based on patterns in music, to help us explain our own patterns in our listening and help find music. Let's say I just listened to Tangled Hair here and I want to hear more similar music. If we just used the label prog like you suggest, I'd have to through things like Rush, or Genesis or Mars Volta or Porcupine Tree before finding the much more similar Toe, Colour, TTNG, Lite, etc. which, thanks to the math rock subgenre I can find with ease (and also keep up much easier with whatever new bands comes along). Subgenres only divide people if they themselves want to be divided; there's absolutely no reason why someone wouldn't listen both prog and math (like me and probably you) who would just because it's labelled the same. If we follow your logic to the end, we might as well just call it rock. Yes, prog is perfectly acceptable, but it's not the most specific and it's less convenient as I already stated. I'm sure people who listen to both jazz fusion and free jazz would agree.
