Tank Chats #69 Ram Mark II | The Tank Museum 

"The basis for parliamentary unity had in fact been laid in March, when both major parties accepted a program rejecting conscription for overseas service. King clearly envisaged a limited effort and was lukewarm towards an expeditionary force." Canadian Encyclopedia Second World War

"The Hyde Park Declaration of 1941 detailed an agreement between the United States and Canada to allow American-produced war materials made in Canada, for Britain, to be included in the Lend-Lease agreement. The United States, still neutral at the time, had passed legislation allowing for the production of war materials for the Allied countries, with payment to be made at a later date. The King government feared this would divert British orders in Canada to the United States, so Roosevelt and King devised the Hyde Park Declaration as a means to alleviate this concern." WARTIME Canada on line

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Our infantry were the most badass terrifying fighters of both ww1 and ww2

Canadian contributions to both World Wars are under-rated. Not just the combat troops (who were extremely well regarded by both sides) but the production, resources, etc... There's one of these Rams - as well as an Easy-8 Sherman - near Vancouver City Center. Lots of bullet holes on the sides, and little plaques describing what you're looking at. Worth a visit!

Used to happen to the Chieftains in Canada on Ex Medman, blokes peppering the outsides where the crew had all their kit

@@chaz8758 that's just mean...

@@SonsOfLorgar Usually when the tankies have upset someone, tore cables, damaged an AVLB bridge etc - so people shoot their kit

they did so in Fury, so its like legit

Oh gosh, I'd pay my £150 W.H. Smith 'Experience' voucher for that one.

Same

I agree with that sentiment. Personally I would like to see and hear more about the Panzer Mark IV and the StuG III series, the true workhorses of the german Armored Forces of WWII.

The reason you hear so much about the Panther and Tiger tanks is because they are regarded as some of the best tanks of WW II. The Tiger in particular, is probably the most known WW II tank. But other tanks like the Ram is also interesting to hear about, make no mistake there.

@@haraldlorentzen40 Are you too going to talk to me about the panther and tiger? I have osprey books about them. I dare you to tell me some thing i don't know... Some day you will learn about those panzerkampfwagens so much that you'll get tired of hearing about them...

@@VonRammsteyn And how was I supposed to know that? But anyhow not going to argue on here, was just saying, that's all...

There's a Sherman (E8 if I recall) just next to the Ram! It's minutes from Vancouver City Center.

I was down at Castlemartin range in West Wales in 2009 and there were several Rams more or less complete, in the target park. They have probably been sold off by now, but apart from a few holes, they were in good condition, turret and all. I knew it was a Ram but I was told by someone that it was a Canadian pre - Sherman which is quite a good description actually. All the best to Canada!

One might argue that in a standoff between tank experts the mustache would put him slightly ahead.

Point's of moustaches sir!

Very interesting. Was he involved in other projects after full production of the Ram was shelved?

And Grandma Worthington said with a giggle; "Size Matters"

@@BHuang92 He had a fascinating life and career. Biggest was as "Father of the armoured corps" in Canada I think. Plus two Military Medals and two Military Crosses from WWI. He worked his way up from private to Major General.

@Ken Roberts en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._F._Worthington?wprov=sfla1

Having been in the RCAC, we learned a lot about Worthy, and had to write essays about him when we f***ed up. Still good to know his memory lives on!

Huh-huh, he said "orifice..."

'Ms. Shillings Orifice' was in a very small tank; i.e; inside the float bowls of mid/later Merlin engine Carburettors.

Einstein bequeathed it to him as a worhy custodian.

Lol, nerf it!

There's a Ram in the CFB Borden tank park and another parked in downtown Vancouver in front of the British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught's Own)'s drill hall.

There are (off the top of my head) 6 units in the general Vancouver area. All have armoured vehicles in front. The Ram is directly in front of the Drill Hall (the unit prefers that title over armoury...some historic quirk) of the British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught's Own) on Beatty St - smack downtown Vancouver. As an aside, the current Minister of National Defence commanded the BCR (DCO). Other vehicles: the Seaforth Highlanders of Canada have a LAV 3, The Royal Westminster Regiment has a WW 2 bren/universal carrier in front of their armoury in New Westminster and an M113 TOW under armour next to their Chilliwack armoury. 15 Fd Regiment of Royal Canadian Artillery has a few antique vehicles and a 25 pounder gun inside. Also in Chilliwack, the 39 Combat Engineer Regiment has a famous Sherman tank. Most of the units have museums. Lot's of history. The Royal Westminster Regiment traces it's roots back to 1863 - predating Confederation.

Well no body would know it was Canada’s flag , but only Canadians all us non-Canadians know of the maple leaf flag

But the 6 pounder was basically better than the American 75, it punched through more armor, flew faster (easier to hit), and any penetration typically means the target's crew is bailing out. Why bother?

Hans Olo I still like your comment

I always picture a male Big Horn sheep when I think of this tank. They live in Canada and it seems more appropriate than naming a tank after a regular male sheep lol

I mean it's just as good in warthunder sadly its premium though:(

@@cgaccount3669 all male sheep are rams, not just domesticated sheep.

@@JohnyG29 I know... I was just saying I hope it was named after the toughest ram I can think of rather than a sheep we use for wool. Unless of course they were trying to he ironic like the Maus (mouse). But that seems unlikely in this case

It's best chance of tupping was to approach from behind--very close--before shooting it's....

the CWM in Ottawa is atm working on getting a kangaroo running as well as a gun tank, not sure if the tank will be a runner or not.

It wasn't much of a technological *leap,* unfortunately, more of a *hop.*

That was bound to happen.

I think you're jumping to conclusions.

I guess you could make that leap of faith.

That joke made me want to jump off a cliff.

@Ken Roberts you bet ;D

Masada1911 done, and done 👍

Matt Hayward Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Got some custard creams for dunking :D

Wet Lettuce nice choice! Hob nobs here.

the saddest thing of all, the majority of people watching these videos don't even drink tea!

When the ram is as significant as the t34

Every armoury? Don't think so.

The RAM, not so much. I think you might have it mixed up with the M4 Sherman. There's only 2 in Canada acting as gate guardians, one at CFB Borden and another in front of Beatty Street Drill Hall, Vancouver.

@@wanderer397 it's a joke perhaps?

A really bad joke. You shouldn't have made.

@@STG44VOLVO lol why is every one so angry these days

I’ll get your coat for you........

@@Mugdorna I'm too poor for coat

Lucky you mate

Kind of like The Chieftain! People were making the same joke and so he did a video or stream (can’t remember) of him repainting his house and talking about stuff while it dried. It was actually a good video lol.

Andrew Penman - LOL - love to find that video!

Makes me sad how little stuff ends up in museums. We rarely appreciate things until they're rare and it's too late. Luckily I think a lot of the Canadian old Leopards are going to museums because they couldn't find military buyers. Hopefully not many will simply be useful for target practice

@@cgaccount3669 indeed. I actually called up the troop of Canadian Leopard 1's in Kosovo in 1999 (I think lord Strathchoners Horse). Their battle group had the only MBTs in close proximity to the British multi national brigade HQ on one of the occasions when the Serbs moved in to the UN DMZ. It was actually James Blunt's (singer) household cavalry troop that reported the incident east of the main HQ. The Corp reserve was based south in the German Brigade AO some way away and our main armoured presence was North with a British Squadron of QDG Challenger 1s. There was a lot of armour rumbling around that night. Needless to say, the incursion ended soon after, with a warning issued in the UN. I have fond memories of those 4 leopards protecting us, I hope they found a safe retirement.

They were sent overseas, the majority of them ended up in the UK ready to be used in combat, until a large surplus of new M4's came along. So they decided to use those over the used and very abused Ram's which they had been training in non stop and continued to do so. The side hull doors ended up being deleted at Tank # 321. They built roughly 2000 of them. The drive train and engine being the same as on the M4 and M4A1, but the Ram ended up faster as they governed the engine higher. Much more armour to boot on the Ram compared to the M4.

Having an opening, especially a large one on the hull sides made them weaker as well, edge effect is a nasty thing. This was one of the major reasons they deleted them in later castings. At one point they suggested to keep only one to make stowage easier, but in the end decided not to bother.

Correction: in front of the BRITISH COLUMBIA REGIMENT (one of two remaining Victorian-era Drill Halls) on Beatty St. (Admiral Beatty) Vancouver,B.C. One Ram and one Sherman, brought back from overseas. And two black-powder cannons. UP THE DUKES! Armoured Recce

I agree. It would've had the Lee/Grant reliability with a more practical turret. Better with 6 pounder but even the 2 would've been OK in the earlier desert battles

More armoured then a sherman, better Anti tank performance, but a poor man's HE shell compared to what the 75mm could bring. Compared to the British tanks the turret would have been roomier for the crew in the Ram to service the 6 pounder, as a large majorty of the Brit tanks only had a 54 inch turret ring at the time. Automotive wise it would have been just as reliable as the sherman as it used the same components.