Tank Chats #92 | Challenger 2: Part 2 | The Tank Museum 

Oh that's a great idea man ... I hope the do it someday for tankfest ...

Vladimir Efimov I would assume many of the guys driving and working on them are x tankies

Oh I like this idea

Guy Martin did this with his WW1 mkv? Build . RTR were involved and crewed the tank also in bits of the show from memory :)

Would be cool. I do know that a lot of serving tankers already learn a lot about the past vehicles - and training right next to the museum is a perfect opportunity. So really, a lot of tankers already have a little bit of insight over the upgrades and progression over the century.

As long as he's ''serviced'' regularly, why not!

Great bit of kit 😘

MajesticDemonLord right tea selection critical as well, don’t want to confuse a Darjeeling with an Assam...could be catastrophic!

@@theoldplankwoodworks2415 doesn't that fall under 'having the right Ammo loaded'...

You forgot: Tank Commander hitting the enemy with his sword

@@lancerd4934 For Russ! And the Allfather!

And Playing PlayStation

Joe Budde cheers to you for that

Your comment appears to be hours before the upload. Do you have early access? If so, how might I get the same privilege?

@@hanzup4117 As stated I am a Patreon supporter of The Tank Museum, we get 24 hr advance on releases.

@@joebudde3302 Cheers :)

For a moment, I thought you were on about MoD procurement. ..

In one incident, a Challenger 2 came under attack from infantry; all sights were damaged and the tank threw a track trying to turn out of trouble. It was then hit by around 15 RPGS and a Milan anti-tank missle but none penetrated. It only stopped being under fire when supporting friendly infantry arrived to rescue it. No crew were injured and after having the track repaired and new sights fitted, the tank was back on operations about 6 hours later.

Insurgent: "By the almighty, I swear the next one WILL work, Fadhil!" Challenger tank crew (Sipping tea): "Ten for the effort chaps, ten for the effort..."

If it makes them run away in fear and panic its always better than having to fight them.

Font. Font of knowledge.

Well now it got its Dorchester pack finally, second thing we need is one with the MEGATRON package and the L27A1 round

That addon weight would make the tank incapable of taking the key map points at the first stage of the fight. Nobody likes sluggish tanks.

@@Josh_21 russian devs for ya

@Mists & Shadows yeah and david just said that it can do up to 80 realistically on a road...

@@Max-xl9qv no change in engine power as there were upgrades to the CV12 when they added the armour

Lol

Wait till you hear about the US army's door glass regulator handle

Well it is called CTCS crew temperature control system

I wouldn't suggest using the air con. while on maneuvers in manatoba Canada during the late fall. Crew temp sys works well to call out both heat and cold.

Well that's also partly the way the British Army speaks. "Tool, fine adjustment, 14 bounds" is a sledgehammer.

SaggyBallz46 someone sounds a little salty that Norway doesn’t even make its own tanks

@@MrJoVaWa poor chap, you didnt even understand the message of the comment, but hey keep living in that blind nation that abuses African society for gold and buys blood gold and diamonds. damn i thought you were from Switzerland sorry, but still my message stands cant see the Netherlands doing anything beneficial for themselves without help from nato, dont be that guy ;)

Clearly a lie. Leopard 2 has no tea making facility.

Chase it’s the British urban camouflage system originally developed for use in Berlin during the Cold War

It looks great imo

10 cups a Minute of regular Tea, 7-8 cups a minute for Speciality Tea.

That's a pretty good throughput, much higher than I expected. I do wonder about the rationing of tea, and the etiquette surrounding it... If a tank was brewing tea for attached forces are they expected to supply their own, or does a tank have a significantly increased supply (due to its mechanized nature) with an expectation to share with those less fortunate?

Ommy Had the same BV in my old CV90. We drink coffee, not tea but I imagine the principle is much the same. If and when in cooperation with leg infantry (light infantry or recce elements) the vehicle provides everything edible be it food, hot water, coffee sticks or whatever. Seriously, they have to walk/ski.

​@@903lew I find this completely unacceptable. You don't hand out tea and snacks just like you don't hand out ammunition or armor plates. Failure to carry vital supplies can be fatal in an engagement, and losing a tank ruins everyone's day. What if, for instance, the TC is having his afternoon tea and there are no more chocolate chip biscuits? Is he supposed to eat those horrendous things with peanuts on them and still be expected to perform well? Of course not. For the good of the war effort, the infantry must carry their own supplies.

Most likely bought Leopard 2s and made British upgrades, like the Swedes did with the STRV-122, but with more tea involved. Seriously, we kept the stupid rifled gun because it was cheaper to keep using ammo stocks we had left over from Chieftain and Challenger 1, even when that meant we couldn't exchange ammo with literally every other NATO tank and their superior smoothbore weapons. We praised the Leopard 2 in trials for just about everything other than the armour, but this was a Leopard 2A4 with C-type composite arrays. We were not able to test the D-type arrays, and anyway, we found the M1A2 Abrams' armour slightly better than Challenger 2 anyway, and Leopard 2A5 had better armour than M1A2 when tested by Sweden, who STILL upgraded it. Result? If we'd had the money, and no political pressure, we'd have bought Leopard 2s and installed British designed armour arrays, likely also designed DU ammunition compatible with the gun, like the US did with M829. Done deal, would have been a far better tank.

ThePeople'sPanzer he already talked boy HESH in part 1

@@_tertle3892 I didn't mention HESH.

ThePeople'sPanzer I thought you might of been on about HESH as that was different to what everyone else was useing an need rifled barrels

@@_tertle3892 Well, it's relevant. The HESH and smoke rounds are the only ones that require rifling to operate. The sabot rounds actually don't spin, and use a rotating driving band to negate the effect of the rifling (spinning a fin stabilised sabot round worsens the accuracy). However, as HESH is no longer a particularly effective round (the Russians even tested our rounds, captured from Iran, and found them no more effective than their 125mm fin stabilised HE) it has to be said that the downsides of a rifled gun are no longer worth retaining it. Those downsides are a loss of muzzle energy, restrictions on compatible ammunition types, reduced power of APFSDS rounds, and increased barrel wear (600 rounds vs 5000 for smoothbore). This is why we are moving to the German smoothbore gun soon.

the commanders sight does have night vision

@@tacticalvelociraptor9458 It doesn't.

@@Panzerzwerg The Enforcer RWS mounted on Challenger 2 nowadays has a thermal sight

@@Panzerzwerg what do i know .. im just a challenger 2 crewman

@@tacticalvelociraptor9458 Please explain

Then the breach block opens, and a hand pops out offering tea

I just missed out on an excellent build on eBay D: I'm not talented enough to paint one myself :(

Hanz up I’ve also have the Challenger 1 and an Abrams to do at sometime.

@@mike.47 Give me one xD

Takom make great chieftain models, and those are the ones which originally had the fantastic blocky Berlin camo. Still prefer Centurions though.

I need to learn how to paint them properly :)

except what if you need to stick your head out like the driver or the commander? what if you get hit and you need to leave the vehicle?...

@@yareyare_dechi Hi! I will be glad to touch on both questions you have been kind enough to bring forth. 1. If a driver, or commander is sticking his head out in a combat situation, such as let's say urban fighting, or any other close quarter engagement, then he is definitely doing something wrong. I specifically spoke of close quarters for a reason I will touch on later on. 2. If a battle tank is hit (I'm assuming is what you mean), and the crew need to evacuate it, then it's only too obvious that they have already been spotted, and all hell will break loose on their position (small arms, artillery etc) regardless if the camouflaged crew has taken cover or not. I have served in the armoured division of my country's armed forces, and I can assure you that a battle tank is so large that it can easily be spotted with naked eye, from kilometres away. At distance, a little smudge of camo paint on one's face isn't concealing anything. This is why I specifically mentioned close quarter engagement earlier. One has to be quite close to see a head protruding form a battle tank. And as I said earlier, if the crew are sticking their heads out in a close quarters combat situation, then they are doing something very wrong. It is a common practice for snipers to shoot at the tanks optics in order to "blind" the crew and force them to stick their heads out. A trained tank crew is aware of this, and therefore keep their heads in, rendering any camo on their faces as useless. It's protocol. The men in this video are sticking to protocol. And this is what my comment is aiming at.

Thanks👍

The armour plate thickness you see is just a sort of shell that covers the real thick stuff that is Chobham armour.

@@paulbantick8266 Im aware but still impressive never the less

Driver pushes button. Job done!

Don't even need a selfie stick too. Its got one built in ...

@@komradearti9935 Chobham is believed to be a composite made of various layers including metals and ceramics but is not a type of NERA.

@@komradearti9935 NERA is an add on armour package like ERA designed to be added outside the vehicles normal armour to reduce the chance of some munitions penetrating. It is a "blow once and replace" hence why made in small blocks as it is sacrificial. The "Chobhan" is the main armour, it is believed to be a sandwich of various materials which dissipate shockwaves (from HESH type weapons), the penetration by HEAT type weapons, while still giving protection against solid penetrator. It does not blow out, it does not expand to increase the path, it works differently. By your definition any composite armour is NERA. Just because it is layered does not mean they all have a "violent" reaction. Chobham is passive, much like standard steel, just more effective against certain threats due to its makeup. The UK even went to the trouble af adding ERA to the Chobham side armour at one point as it was being hit so many times and was expensive to replace (not the main armour but the additional add on).

@@komradearti9935 NERA was developed to be a safer to transport, safer to handle, less dangerous to troops near the vehicle add on armour that can do a similar job to ERA. Due to the lack of explosive it can also be added to any armour no matter the thickness unlike ERA. It is also not susceptible to precursor charges as there is no explosive to detonate. Some Leo 2 variants (The Leo 2 AV was a series of prototypes for US testing not a production vehicle) along with the Leclerc make extensive use of NERA (most Leo 2 A5 and above though use spaced armour of various designs). Chobham type armour as used on Challenger and Abrahams is not a form of NERA, it is the base armour, a composite type (of a not publicly known just guessed arrangement), similar in idea to composites used by the Soviets/Russia, China, S Korea, India, Turkey - amongst others. It is a one shot system as the NERA block "blows out" using the force of the HEAT round.

They don't have any in the museum, so unfortunately that is unlikely unless someone brings one over for Tankfest.

@@Retrosicotte oh man I wish America will allow to give (1) M1 Abrams from their military graveyard to Tankfest.

There is one m1a1 on public display in a museum on the east coast. Nick Moran "the Cheiftan" did a good video on it a while back.

It's not possible to have a proper tank museum without having lots of international vehicles. There always have been loads at Bovington, even on the days when visitors were allowed to climb all over them. (Sadly not on the staff!)

For road and bridge classification we round up to nearest 10 tonne on MBT - when Chally 1 was introduced it was CL 70 for our bridges

Erm... the armour needs changing, as do the electronic systems, optics, and engine/ powerpack. There's not actually a huge ammount of original Challenger 2 hardware worth keeping. The lessons, in usability, robustness, etc, are very important and should be retained, but the thing is so damn heavy for the actual protection levels it offers against modern ammo, that just changing the turret and gun will only be a temporary fix until we start considering a totally new chassis for the next generation.

It would cut down elbow room inside the turret.