tap crouch: rocket jump goes way higher 

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Imagine if you used your technical smarts to write million-dollar software instead of dissecting an ancient broken game for us autistics

Thanks for letting me know. I won't even attempt ctapping with det anymore.

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Shounic please help me. How do you jump in the air as bonk merc?

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We should totally do a tour together.

damn that's impressive. the ctap timing is somewhat precise like wavedashing in smash brothers melee.

hamsteak

@@user-nm9yd4wq4s from experience in both games, it usually becomes muscle memory at one point and is easily executable after multiple hours of practice. so doing a ctap at first might seem like a feat, but it can become very trivial after a while

I think it's an intended movement mechanic It's part of the tutorial in half-life 1

@@dadmitri4259 Makes sense, I think there were parts in the game where you needed to get into a vent that was slightly off the ground.

That's why crouch-jumping feels so unique in valve games

yeah, quickly crouching and uncrouching in 1.6 teleports you up

Crouch jumping was accidentally broken in Portal 2

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They're so good, literally next level editing skills

He is the best tf2 editor in the game

I have understood every video up to this point with the help of those visuals. Not this one. I had no fucking idea what he was talking about with player origins and shifts and stuff

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This exploit could have been known before we knew what causes it. You dont need to know HOW things work ro know WHAT thry do.

​@@O5MO do you like oranges

I dont like oranges

if the AI's gain sentience in TF2, they would wish they hadn't.

Hyper Hops! Very cool. You have jumps, super jumps, hop and hyper/super hops. Jumps give more vertical range and Judy Hopps give more horizontal range.

​@@Kilesfactor Judy?

@@r0zemary with the big boody

Super jumps are in almost any fighting game, not just KoF. I even remember seeing Hyper hops in other games like JoJo HftF.

@@Kilesfactor no way bro's autocorrect changed hyper hops to Judy Hopps 💀 we know what you been looking at

GOOD MORNING U ESS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

good to see you again stickmaster :)

Damn he still here

well he continually blows up his legs to get from point A to point second in a shorter amount of time, so makes sense that the guy who canonically ate a money sandwich would have knees made of American spirt, as only a fucker that rich would be able to have knees to begin with given his circumstances.

good to see you're still alive

The game doesn't have an answer for what you should be like while uncrouching in the air, and prevents you from jumping while uncrouching. If you skip directly from crouching into uncrouching, you can bypass this and jump in uncrouching. In this state, you take bonus knockback like crouching/jumping, but you're closer to the ground because your legs don't pull up like a normal air-crouch, so you're closer to the explosion.

if you dont understand watch it again

visual bug as a result of a discrepancy between your true crouching state and what your client thinks should be your crouching state. Pressing crouch forces both to be crouch, thus fixing the problem.

I have this problem most often when trying to Demoman trimp. Or even when I'm not trying. I'll just get put inn a vibrating state that has no explosives to self correct other than dying.

Satan attempts to reclaim the mercenaries daily

when you ironman the landing the force of the impact sends shockwaves directly into the source engine which temporarily destabilizes physics before the kinetic energy is expended and regular physics continue

An even better way to practise is by doing some ctap oriented jump maps. There is a ctap practice room in the map jump_tapdance_fix3 that covers the distance ctaps and height ctaps pretty well (It also has ctap syncs if anyone wants to try them out). There are other maps based on ctaps as well but this practice room I think is a good place to practise ctaps for anyone that doesnt wanna get into rocket jumping too much.

(I am aware this is a year old) Another good map is jump_tapdance. While the actual map is almost certainly wayyy to hard for most people (being t6), it has an amazing ctap practice room at the start!

Gabe Spaget

i used to think they only spawned at the origin of a map (usually 0, 0, 0 coords) since thats where anything without a proper placement gets put, but ive seen hats appear anywhere.

Yeet mcmeat is correct that one cause of this is models spawning at 0,0,0 if a location is unspecified. But visual bugs like the domination symbol and unusual partcles seem to float around in other places. Im curious, do you use linux (ie, do you use opengl/vulkan)?

Yeah shounic already explained it in another video

Someone who is a programmer (made the Binding of Isaac Afterbirth DLC and created the Iron Bomber) explained this to me like ten years ago so I forgot the details. But I IIRC the gist of it is that maps are rendered in chunks, and it's possible for players to be rendered slightly outside the chunk. If they then die or play an animation, your client doesn't get info on where that happened, so it's put in the chunk's, I guess, origin point?

I believe he's briefly mentioned the floating particles and stuff spawning at 0, 0, 0 in a previous video where Valve addressed the 0, 0, 0 issue and potentially the particle issue, but way after that update I still see particles linger around. I haven't seen these things spawn at 0, 0, 0 anymore, but I've seen them spawn at my own position or even in other entities like engineer buildings. The chunk stuff does make some sense, as I've seen them spawn at seemingly random spots too like somewhere in front of me like a lame jumpscare.

Ctapping off someone in a backstab is still useful to do, since backstabbing someone who you're standing on will cause your knife's "knockback" to pull you downward with them. It's why you take falling damage for backstabbing from above, sometimes. Sure, you could just make the stab before you land, but this technique is good for if your timing is late and you wouldn't survive the fall damage.

Why does ctapping matter in that situation? Honest question. The video makes it seem like the main effect is to bring your origin point closer to the source of an explosive.

​@@audraambrozy9443 normally you need to be crouched In order to stab someone while on their head, but by ctapping you can jump off their head and still be in range for a backstab

@@catcloudbox724 bro think he bunstie 😭

@@tf2exordium STOP Calling me a BUNSTIE WANNABE,,,

cuz it is

"say it like in our script or the Source 2 code gets it."

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FYI it doesn't work for according ops added comment

Honestly I neither mind scripts nor disabling 'wait' I think if its timing based, its better to learn it yourself, but resequencing the actions a specific button does is a fun part of tf2 customization. Like, my mouse1 switches to weapon slot one; attacks. So its just one button to 'use' any given weapon, and theyre all on the mouse. I stole this idea from woolen

Ctapping has existed for over a decade.

@@lysergidedaydream5970 I mean literaly 95% of the Top 100 players (In Rocket Jumping) use C-Tap scripts . Edit :Well could be 94% or 96% since it's data from atleast a few month Edit 2:So someone could have been replaced in the Top 100

I think this is a slightly different glitch. Ghost crouch or something.

@@redstonewarrior0152 For sure, I wasn't saying these are the same. Just writing about that at some point, the uncrouching + jump coding was changed to address the issue with the bug in my first post.

Quantum crouch? Is a Source speedrun technique.

Yeah. And this is the secret behind a funny exploit thats mostly known to highlander snipers, sometimes called the 'quantum crouch' or other silly things. If you jump, then quickly tap crouch then hold crouch while still in the air, your animations wil desync. Your actual model will be crouched, but to people watching as you perform the jump, your world model appear in the neutral standing animation. You can spot it because they slowly slide around without doing the walking animation, and you wont hit them if you aim for what looks to you like their head. Instead you have to aim for their real head, which is around waist level?

The visuals on this really help me. The same way sigsegv videos always put things right in my head.

ctap bad

It's neesh outside of jump maps you don't have to learn it unless you want to do fancy shit with rollouts

In my experience, using a script to sync the shot isnt super helpful because the timing changes based on the situation. Here's the ctap script (doesnt include the shot) that I use: alias -ctap ""; alias "+ctap" "+duck 1; -duck 1; +jump 1; -jump 1"; bind +ctap

this is not useful at all - let me explain. The script nowadays is not perfect. It used to be amazing back in the day when the command "stop" worked on basically every server. Now it doesn't and the commands are not enough for a perfect ctap. I tested it myself and results were very noticable and obvious as a jumper; I got less height with the script than with a perfect ctap. Learning the timing yourself is better, not only do you get a feel for more things when it comes to rocket jumping (because to learn ctap you need to spend some time on certain maps, for example jump academy 2) but you also get better results. Also, using the auto ctap script is basically... scripting. Ew.

@@spizC the ctap script does sacrifice height for consistency. Very few jumps require a tick perfect 691 hu ctap. I don't think I've seen one outside of the ja pillars (granted, I've only beaten t4 maps) I'd also like to point out that the script is allowed on tempus. No reason to be so snobby about "scripting."

@@bangbangliu2146 Using the script is as stupid as syncr - just learn it. After a little bit of time you get the timing down. Scripting in a skill heavy game, ew

@@spizC I'll learn how to ctap manually if I ever run into the 0.1% of jumps that require one. Until then, I'll keep playing the way I want to. If that upsets you, nothing I can do about it. Sorry!

this is something I am covering soon

I think it's generally called the slope bug in Source Engine - IIRC it's basically because the game assumes that if the vertical part of your speed is even slightly positive (i.e. your speed is more upward than downward), you can't possibly be standing on the ground, even though that assumption only holds for flat or downward-sloping ground. So, if you hit an upward-sloped surface at high enough speed, the initial impact will redirect your velocity to have some upward component, and then the "is the player standing on the ground?" check gets skipped.

@@quantumdude836 you are a legend

@@quantumdude836 THANK YOU! ive been looking for an explanation as to why you can surf for so long

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@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 A texture bug is when you are holding W and A/D when up against a wall and then switch to the other key such that your horizontal momentum reaches 0 the moment your head is at the intersect between func brushes (often a change in textures, or maybe the top of a doorframe) (I could have some of this stuff wrong but this is the best explanation I've heard of them before)

Or left 4 dead 2 letting you bunnyhop as a fucking tank if you do crouching bhops

The simple answer: when you hit a speedshot, you are closer to the explosion than almost any other method, ctap included. Long answer: this is because in a speedshot, you Land. This does a few things: your vertical velocity is zero, your distance from the ground is zero, and your horizontal velocity is not zero (there is a perceptible interval wherein you decelerate). I suspect, because of how effective speedshots are, that the moment you Land, your horizontal velocity is very near to what it was beforehand, and it just rapidly decreases. This in part explains why the timing window for speedshotting is so small: you essentially need to land exactly as the rocket lands for maximum efficiency. The sooner you land the more speed you lose, up to all of it, before the rocket lands. And if you don't land at all, because the rocket lands before you, congrats. You've done a speed pogo. A speed pogo is not as precise as a speedshot. Because you don't Land, your distance from the ground, and therefore the explosion, is nonzero. It is much easier to retain your velocity, and you can be a lot more flexible with pogos. A speed pogo is one made *very close* to the ground, such that they can look very similar to a speedshot. But if you retain the 'jumping' state, it was probably a speed pogo. However, it may be possible that a truly perfectly synced speedshot would, like a bhop, fail to remove the jumping state. But I'm unsure. Also complicating things are how tf2 handles bhops. I'm not sure how much horizontal velocity you actually retain a T minus 0, and the change to how bhops work in tf2, which is affects even 'perfect' inputs, makes me think that its substantially less than you had prior to landing, but the efficiency of being a distance of 0 away from the explosion along with the velocity which is retained is enough to make perfect speedshots faster than any pogo.

Oh, and because you Land, you will stop hearing the rocket jumper woosh as soon as you hit the speedshot,and market gardens wont crit. if you think it was a speedshot, but you still crit someone/hear the whoosh, im almost certain that means it had to have simply been a really good speed pogo

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 one can never really know with valve. But yeah. Highly unlikely. Only hope is that they intend to port every active multiplayer game to source 2 like they did with Dota and now CS. But odds are tf2 is much more challenging because of the spaghetti code and the enthusiasm for it just isnt there. I dont necessarily believe they forgot about the game though. Tf2 easter eggs were spotted in HL: Alyx and tho mercenaries have giant posters in their hallway. If source 2 ever does come, it will probably be out of nowhere 5+ years from now