TARASENKO TO DETROIT, YZERMAN TRADES FABBRI - Winged Wheel Podcast - July 7th, 2024 

He’s not prime tarasenko, but he’s still VERY VERY GOOD. Definitely an offensive upgrade over DP57. If you watched Vlad’s highlights over the past two seasons, he truly still has that offensive touch. Will he score 40? Odds are no, but with our top 6, I can still see CLOSE TO 30 (30 is def on the table) and around 25-30 assists. Vlad still has it, he’s not a washed up Max Pacioretty or a JVR, he’s definitely way better.

People are mad Steve didn’t make multiple big moves in FA, but I think this is very obviously a year where he expects a couple of 3 or 4 young guys to make the roster. Edvinsson, Johansson, Berggren, and maybe even Mazur. We need our young guys to play and get experience. Keeping Kane and signing Tarasenko were the moves to teach the young kids and give them motivation.

The Senko signing was so much better than a potential Stamkos signing. 8 mil a year for what? 4 years? I’m good lol… two years is perfect, and I’m excited to see Tarasenko play and I definitely think he’s scoring more than 20 goals Brad lol…. I’m thinking 25-30. He will be on the 2nd line most likely.

"I wont say anything" "As you love to" I feel like Ryan had that one loaded up and ready to go. 🤣

I need to pumps the brakes a bit on the concerns for the prospects talk. Sure, I agree that they do need to start working some of the more ready prospects into the lineup but I still feel Brad is overreacting a bit...especially when it comes to the age of these guys. Berggren and Johansson are the oldest at 23. A case can certainly be made that Albert has probably done enough over two seasons in GR to have a real look and he will. With Berggy it seems like people forget that A) He lost a lot of time post draft to injury and B) He has played 79 games in the NHL and struggled on two stints they gave him last season. Danielson has not played a second of pro hockey yet, last year was Mazur's first season as a pro and he had some injuries early on to deal with, and last year was Kasper's first season in North America and he struggled early on before coming on late for them. According to Cap Friendly the Wings have 11 forwards/7 Dmen/ 4 goalies in NHL deals (those numbers include Raymond, Veleno, and Mo because we all know they will be signed). They also have 3 forwards on 1 year deals, 1 forward on a two year deal, and 2 more with three years left. On defense, of those 7, 3 are on the last year of their deal, and 3 more have only 2 years left. There is plenty of space for the prospects who earn time over the next few seasons. Rayomond came in and forced their hand when they planned to send him to GR initially. Mo would have played after 1 amazing year in GR if not for COVID. Berggren played 65 games to seasons ago because he earned the shot then kept it with his play. Elmer made the team out of camp and played until his play dropped off. They have shown they will give young players a shot when they have earned a shot and will keep them in if they earn it. I have no concern about adding say Simon and Johansson on the back end at the same time becauss the organization has shown they are not going to put young players into spots they cannot handle and leave them there to flounder. Just relax a bit and enjoy the fact the Wings will be competitive most nights again this season and have a ton of developing talent to hopefully continue to build a strong roster for years to come.

If Larkin is healthy all season this team will be top 3 in the Atlantic.

I love how you guys name drop Steve Dangle every episode 😂

Even though we didn't make the playoff last season, I want to make it very clear, that the last couple weeks of Detroit hockey this team produced was some of the most entertaining games ever, and should go down in Detroit history as such

Brad is spot on. The continuation of not playing the young forwards only complicates the future. You cannot convince me this team is worse tomorrow with Kasper at 3C tomorrow with Copp and Ras as his wingers.

YES! Episode finally dropped!

Been waiting for this episode lol

Some said that big one in free agency might be Montour. RHD, but perhaps you can deploy him on both sides. Either use him as 2RHD or use him on the left side with Seider on the top pair

We're going to miss 👻 🐻

I think it's obvious Edvinsson is a full timer. That question shouldn't even be brought up in conversation anymore. Albert isn't waiver exempt anymore, he's a full timer. I agree with Brad though, if the trio of Nate, Marco and Carter spend the entire 2024 season down in GR, they are most definitely playing in Detroit next year. But, I think atleast 2 of those 3 are getting playing time this year.

Been waiting for days 😂

If most of the GR prospects are NHL ready, then why can’t they win the caulder cup? Shouldn’t they be dominating the other AHL teams?

I think a part of me concerning this year's past FA and the players we have on term is happy bc we didn't go shopping; only 5 players on the entire team have 3+ years on their contract. Yzerman has put himself in a brilliant position to mold the roster however he wants in the next 2 years which a prime window for alot of our prospects. And whether you love it or hate as far guys staying down too long or whatever you have to really like that 80% of our roster spots can be repositioned with anyone. Now you might see that as lack of a plan or whatever but that's super good for cap space and if guys don't work out in the future then there's no panic in lack of spots to fill. In my opinion after Mo and Raymond sign then it'll much easier to refill this team with more optimal talent rather than leftover FA like Evan said I think he's gonna step on the gas hard coming soon and if we regress then a top 10 pick isn't the worst I'll take those lumps for now.

Yzerman has over signed every season with the Red Wings. The rookie has to outplay the vets he signed - unless they are not waiver exempt apparently.

My time-line expectations for the prospects that are close to making Detroit as full-time are: At the start of the 2024-2025 season: Edvidsson, Berggren and Johansson At the start of the 2025-2026 season: Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, Cossa, Soderblom At the start of the 2026-2028 seasons: ASP, MBN, Wallinder, Buium, Tuomisto, Finnie, Lombardi, Hanas, Kiiskinen, Buchelnikov

Mazur with 17 goals in the AHL is NHL ready? Guy is shaping up to be a 3rd line energy guy like a Gilchrist or Glendenning. The farm is still very critically low in high scoring wingers, SY kept drafting away from that priority.

Also how do we know we don’t have a “wyatt Johnston” type situation with danielson, kasper, Mazur if we don’t give them the shot, one of these guys could just get it and be awesome right away, not saying they need to be Johnston but why not give kasper or mazur 9 games last year I just don’t get it

Tarsenko to Detroit is about 6 years late eh?

Maybe we will see Danielson, Kasper, and Mazur in Detroit when they're 25.

18:00 mark…the Wings are not ready to make the big splashes on players like Marner/Drai…making splashes like that are for when the Wings can consistently make the playoffs/win 1 round for a few years which should line up with when a lot of recent draft picks should be ready along with the current solid core growing together…maybe another 2-4 seasons before we sign a superstar who we end up paying more than Larkin

I think Detroit has the offensive firepower. Especially now that Tarasenko has joined. Yzerman needs to find a way to grab a rh def. It’s going to be tough. But that’s a glaring hole. Holl and Petry are not going to fill that hole on the second line. Left hand Detroit is fine. And have options.

Hey what about Nicolij Ehlers ?! Isn’t his contract up this year?? LGRW

What frustrates me the most is that when we don't have loads of injuries, that RW doesn't play their youngsters in e.i. nine matches. During an entire season, there are many occasions when this can happen. Most players are bang up or have minor groin problems all the time. Certainly S.Y does not want a very expensive press box. RW had for a long time around 6/Mil in the stands before they got rid of Kostin e.i. Still believe that Burger will be traded together with a goalkeeper and Velano in some package deal. Also think RW will take a step back next season, don't see how RW today would be equivalent to last year. Other teams have gotten better on paper, RW has marginal improvements e.i. as a goalkeeper. However, RW has a bad history of burning out their goalkeepers e.i. Ned, Husso & Alex. Who will it be this year?

What's funny is that Berggren and Sprong were criticized for not being so good at defending and instead Kane got an extension and Terasenko was brought in for 2 years (neither of them are known for their defense). Much more salary is now being spent on similarly gifted players like Berggren and Sprong. I don't want to say that Berggren and Sprong are/would be better, but they would be cheaper and we would have saved ourselves a year in development (goal-oriented players who could have played in the third line) to see how far we would have come with this younger combination. My main criticism goes to Leonde who didn't give young players a chance and probably won't in the future. Anyway, I'm glad we have Terasenko and Kane now and hope they can give us and the team a lot. But, what a waste of time for the young players in the Red Wings system. As you said, if it continues like this for a longer period of time, they are even loyal and stay in the AHL, then soon they will no longer be so young and we will never know what they would have given us, for the Red Wings team

Well, the team was better than last year. Seider is only going to get better. Sophomore jinx is over...

Bobble Head Brad

Stop with the escalated Drama 1: Red Wings Won Championship with only "1" Right Shot D playing Top4 D 2: Copp, Holl, Chiarot, Husso are not so bad contract we need to do anything to sacrifice Assets or Future Cap CHILL TF OUT!

Imagine Trading Verhaeghe and Forsling at 23yrs old That would be Detroit trading Berggren and Albert Except Berggren and Albert are significantly better than Verhaeghe and Forsling at 23yrs old Hockey Players Break-Out Late. Patience is key to being a successful NHL GM

What if you pronounce Ajo like A-yo?

Brad quickly responded, because when Evan said if Johanson can play his way onto the roster. Edvinson proved that not to be the case. When Yzerman said young guys who plays their way onto the roster, he will make room for them, is already been bullshit. You can say circumstances, i say if u say something mean it. He is going to have to earn that again by his actions. Idc whether or not their was room, Steve caused that. Its one of the bitches i have for Steve, but im still not the guy who thinks we need to get rid of Yzerman. Just had way too many years of Holland and over ripening of prospects, to not hold Steve to his word.

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They can't buyout holl his cap isn't 4mill, imo no one will get bought out

I still don't think Berggren makes the team unless there is an injury. The fourth line will probably be Motte, Veleno and Fischer. Nate Danielson probably makes the team and would like to see him center the second line moving Compher to the third line with Copp and Rasmussen. So happy Fabbri is gone as I never liked him. Still need to trade for a second pair right shot defenseman. Holl and Berggren for Trouba would make sense. But since he doesn't want to move maybe call the Ducks about Gudas or the Flyers about Ristolainen

I love 19, but copp and holl are handcuffs, cost us 91, wallman and some picks. We are now fully reliant on so many prospects panning out, which is possible, but nowhere near probable… if you have 10, lucky for 3 to work out. Don’t mind Tara, but…

Im sick of Yzerman's dumb yzerplan...... I want the kids in Detroit!!!! NOT more shitty players like Mott, Copp, Chiarot, Holl, And Maatta !!!!!!! I Dont want any more player's from The State Michigan, or U of M.....

Taresenko...another old guy that makes us even worse! If it was him from what 5-6 years ago this would be great. #deadwings