Target Employees Paid More Than Doctors | Reaction 

My parents were the ones who notified me about this video 🫣😅

The residency system needs to improve! As someone else suggested, 60 hour limit work week with overtime pay once 40 hours are surpassed. No more 24 hour shifts, to prevent errors and improve sleep and mental health. It’s 2024, we ALL must speak up now. It’s time. No more learned helplessness. We can be the change 📣🗣

I used to work at a hospital. Watching resident doctors be treated like dogs and get yelled at for being tired and working 100 hour weeks was horrifying. It just infuriates me that they’re allowed to do that to people. I think a cap at 60 hours max is more than fair and making them pay overtime. I heard there’s some unionizing efforts among residents and I hope they succeed. Residents deserve better and I feel like at this point it’s a hazing ritual with the mindset, “well I had to do it so now you have to suffer too.”

"I'M A PERSON TOO." I used those exact words when confronting administration at my residency program about treating us inhumanely last year. One thing that wasn't mentioned that makes residency emotionally so hard is it robs highly motivated and capable individuals of their AGENCY. Not having that internal locus of control can really sap one's mental wellbeing.

More than a doctor, Rachel is a wonderful human being!

Dear Kevin, as a former resident I really resonate with all of this content. I really love medicine and that is the reason why everyone goes into it. we love learning about the body, doing research, and just find everything fascinating. But once entered the hospital system as a resident it was like I was a just a slave. A slave to write notes, to do other menial tasks for the hospital system. In the training I felt like it was more about getting things done because other people needed it to be done and less about my actual training and growth as a doctor. It was so shocking. I was being used all throughout my years in ways I didn't even realize until I reflect now. There was one day in the end of residency where I was in so much visible stress that the chief resident stepped aside and asked me how I was doing and I started crying because i was not able to control my emotions. That then lead to a series of actions that just made it best for me to quit residency. Just want to say I was not supported by the residency, and it seemed like everything day do they make your life a lot more miserable. So yeah its a difficult system to stay afloat in. I do miss medicine and the patient cases and work, but I have to admit I am so much happier and healthier now. I am trying to make my path forward now and I am deciding on what is best and correct for me. Thank you for your content and support!

ER resident here. My specialty is less time consuming for sure but I feel like me and everybody I know in residency goes through this mental battle on a daily basis. The demands just come at you from every angle and I’ve felt depressed many times. I use to think similarly of how are you burnt out when your just starting but the feeling is real

Rachel is a very kind human. I have nothing but respect and love for her ❤

I started off my undergrad as premed chem but switched to chemical engineering as a plan b so that if med school didn’t work out I’d still have a good career path. During my senior year of college, the time came to apply to med school and I had to ask myself the question if it’s something I really could afford. And it wasn’t, I couldn’t keep waitressing on the weekends and making as much as a dishwasher as a resident. I graduated with my ChemE degree and my starting salary was 75k, after 5 years I went up to around $130k and now I’m at 150k base salary. With bonuses and stocks I’m around $200k. Had I gone into medical school I’d be graduating around now (assuming I failed no classes) and just starting to make an income. Sometimes I wish I would have gone down the doctor path but the student loan debt, the monopolization of healthcare, all the protocols, just turned me away from it. I’m happy with the path my life took.

It is what it is. I don’t know how often I’ve said that while thinking about my mental health during med school

As an intern I can attest to all of these statements and many mentioned by others. However, the system won’t change because the same toxic behaviors that are exhibited by attendings are taken on whether consciously or subconsciously by residents. They then repeat the same behaviors. They feel as if “i suffered during residency, so you should too” instead of being the positive change that we all need. It really is sad. I hope things change 🙏🏾🙏🏾

pasture raised chicken comment caught me off guard XD

I love that you bring light to this and are understanding of her struggle. I'm a first year medical student. This scares me when I think about residency honestly

Why are patients charged insane amounts for the work doctors do , sometimes residents. Why not pay the resident for what services they are charging insanely high for ?

It takes courage and strength to be vulnerable about one's mental health or physical health challenges. I commend both Drs. Rachel and Kevin for sharing their experiences. Thank you!

Good on her for talking about this topic because it is important. It's crazy because even as an attending, there is some hardship there as well, especially early on. It's exciting to complete residency training and become an attending because we believe that it will be better, but even attendings burnout. I was one of them. And no one warns you about this stuff. Exceptional time management skills, learning how to work smart and be productive, and prioritizing my personal life and freedom outside of work was what helped me become a more well-rounded attending with good balance. Just a heads up for residents transitioning into attending roles.

What about seeking residency outside the U.S. think it would be any better? This is absolutely insane. I love her channel, by the way. Thanks for reacting to this

Yup. This happens in other countries, too. The first year was the hardest. Really horrible for mental health. If it’s feasible to access professional help, get it. And if not, good luck. This too shall pass.

So nice to see you both in a video! Been following each of you for a while. You should colab more!

More people needs to speak up on this! Thanks Rachel for voicing your experiences!

Don’t go to medical school. The field in collapsing.

Dr Jubbal, I hear you say several times that the system isn't changing in any meaningful ways in an appreciable amt of time to address these issues, which we can clearly hear repeated over & over again from many different docs/residents/med students & others😫 What do you feel would help bring about the obviously very needed changes faster? Is there a generational divide in medicine here in the US that somewhat reflects the one going on in US politics (ie older docs hanging on to their roles/leadership positions & perpetuating these very outdated ways of doing things when they should leave/retire, so that change can happen)? It just feels to me like so many people, not only physicians, really want these changes, so what do you feel are the possible blockages? It definitely helps to more clearly define the target when addressing/implementing changes. I am so interested to hear your thoughts on this. TYSMIA💜

Works well! Learning from many spaces and beliefs, it may not be an important aspect or system yet.

I was 9 months pregnant in emergency room for a severe infection and the nurses were on top of it… my doctor finally comes in, training resident, who sat on my bed and almost fell asleep while talking to me. Thankfully the nurses made up for it. Pretty messed up.

Target is horrible. They work you like slaves. The lazier you are, the less you do, the better you are, the more you do. I was throwing trailers for 3 days while lazy people weren't ever put in the trailers. This causes extreme fatigue and burn out. Your days off are spent recovering from slave work.

I'm on my journey to becoming a doctor. I'm about to start my transitionary master's program in August before fully going to medical school. One of my biggest worries is the salary and the work hours. On paper, the residency salary looks pretty good. For my current preferred specialty of radiology, the highest paid residents are paid an average of a little less than $110,000 a year. I feel like when the ACGME hour cap was cut to 80 from 100, salaries were cut too to compensate. You're still making the same amount of money per hour as you did working 100 hours, which is not enough, especially if you live in Florida, where the average radiology resident makes $65,000 a year. Based on the current climate of American economics, that's not enough to live on AND pay off student loans. That's barely enough to live on these days by itself. After taxes in Florida, that $65k salary turns into a $53k take home. Medical school loan payments average a little less than $2k a month for doctors. If you're living by yourself, your rent is $1400 on average for a one bedroom. Groceries is $350 depending on where you go. The utility bill $300, the phone bill is $40. You're spending over $4k a month on just bills, over $48k a year, but probably closer to $50k. You're left with $3k after that. That's not nearly enough to build up an emergency fund, to build up savings, or for leisure for the very little time you get off. That doesn't even include monthly car payments either, which would leave you in the negatives if it's more than $250 a month, which it probably is. Dcotors shouldn't have to get a second job just to be able to pay their bills. It also doesn't account for health insurance, car insurance, renter's insurance, or anything else. That's not accounting for your Roth IRA or 401K either, which some companies or institutes require you to contribute to monthly. If those companies do contribute, they will likely deduct it from salary too. Until you make enough money, not being able to contribute for a few years will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars when it comes to retire, because once you hit a certain salary threshold (around $161k for single tax filers), you can no longer add to the Roth IRA. You're working 80+ mentally draining hours a week, often on 24 hour shifts or 72 hour calls. No wonder the physician suicide rate is so high. You're working so hard, saving other people's lives, for almost nothing in return. It's hard to have a social life, because you're so tired after the long shifts. It's hard to see your family, especially if they live further than an hour from you, because work keeps you close. It's hard to start a family, because money is tight and you can't afford a nanny, daycare, or a babysitter. This HAS to change. Doctors make incredible sacrifices to be able to do what they do, because they love it. When observing residents while doing my shadowing recently, I saw first hand how much some of them struggle to stay afloat, all while studying for boards, studying for Step III, studying for their yearly residency exams. They're just another cog in the machine. They are human, just like everybody else. They deserve to be treated well and compensated fairly for the essential work they do. The world can't function without doctors. If this continues, you're going to see more doctor shortages, more burnout, and more mental health issues and suicides. I hope everybody unionizes. If it's the only way to be compensated fairly, then it should be done. From what I've witnessed, being a resident is slavery disguised as a paying job and being trained.

I do not consider this complaining. It is compassionate sharing and a good way to process feelings.

She posted an update on her mh yesterday :)

Wow I didn't know there was such a difference between med school programs

Rachel is amazing ❤️

So many people always complain their job doesn't pay what it deserves. But jobs aren't out here paying more than what they need to pay to get people to do the job. So the unfortunate thing about our planet is that people are willing to become doctors even though it doesn't pay much. If people stop going to med school I'm telling you residency will increase its salary because they'll be less of them But currently more people want to become a doctor then we have seats for. I would never encourage my kids to become a doctor I would encourage them to become something rare. Anyone smart enough to be a doctor has one fatal flaw they're too stupid to realize they should have done something else. Even nurses nurses are totally underpaid but if you notice during the height of the pandemic when nobody wanted to be a nurse anymore suddenly they could pay them 200k annually. Which means they could really pay them 200k annually the whole time but why don't they pay that the rest of the time do you ask? Quite simple they don't need to every year people are willing to go to nursing school and be treated like slaves. Let's stop pursuing these careers and suddenly they'll get their respect and the pay they deserve.

i think I saw the same video on pasture raised chicken hehe

@2:14 ... Thats alot (Principle) but I gotta say that interest on those loans are crazy low.

Hey Dr. Jubbal, could you make a video on methods of paying back loans? For example, i've heard about the 10 year nonprofit payback program, but then there's a chance that you're getting paid less accepting nonprofit jobs. I'm also debating if its just better to pay it off ASAP to cut out the amount of interest you pay in the long run. Then there's the SAVE program which is new.... Yeah so to summarize, i'm pretty confused on what's the best way to go about this lol...

HERD Fam 🙏🏾

No one should be working that much. Thats why there's so many medical errors.

Yep! After med school we are SO broke and we’re still gonna be making less than target employees lol 😂

Just commenting for the algorithm 🧡

Target employees aren't investing in later income potential though. Most high paying fields require working insane hours and little sleep for little pay the first few years. It was the same for myself and my late husband, as an attorney and as a business owner, as well. That is just part of the effort and sacrifice we put in for the end result of greater success and higher financial security.

You choose the weirdest facial expressions for your thumbnails haha

In todays world, salespeople, RU-vidrs , TikTokers earn a lot more than doctors with better lifestyles. we’re meant to labor.

@rsb7608 Quit the jealousy, it isn't good for you. Easily paid loans, easily made money, easy job, go do it then. Some break out of poverty, telling their story in the process like the girl in the video. Some keep blaming doctors for getting paid too much. Quit the jealousy and just drive your Honda to Target or become a doctor and drive your Honda to the Hospital. Whatever makes you happy. Quit undermining the work doctors do and the time they put into their work. If you feel like they get paid too much then don't give them more money or your insurance's money, next time you get sick/injured just treat yourself at home with traditional remedies.

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t taxpayers funding resident salaries? I don’t think higher taxes will be very popular. The increase in pay needs to come from the hospital. But honestly I think everything in healthcare is going to get worse as private equity continues to buy everything up.

training doctors in this country is a system of hazing but don't take it out on Target employees. They aren't living the easy life either( I promise you the average republican voter will read this title as Target employees have it way to good).

Im a nurse going to osteopathic medical school. Honestly, i think bedside nursing is hard but nurses only have to work 3 shifts a week. Residency is grueling due to the amount of work that you have to do everyday. Urgh. Gotta work smarter not harder. Im also not gonna let doctors pimp me i may not have all the medical knowledge but i know the hospital system haha cant bully me

People pay what people are willing to work for. It's really that simple everyone's always complaining that their job doesn't pay what it deserves but that's because they're willing to work the job. The day no one is going to medical school anymore because it doesn't pay what it deserves Guess what it's going to start paying more. So if you have a problem with how much residents make the simplest thing you could do is not become a resident...

Yea but once the residency is done they’ll get paid $200k plus , target employees will stay at $20. This title is misleading. Plus doctors always say “ it not about the money “ lol 😂

I'm sick of this resident/doctor complaining about salary. I’m finishing my undergrad and the next steps will be med school. At the same time, I’m married with 2 kids and work full time. As a resident/doctor, you have more than half of the battle done and you know that in 3 or 6 you will be able to pay those loans back. So what is the issue here? People are so weak nowadays…

The solution shouldn’t be just to tell residents to “have better time management “. That’s basically just saying “ you should be more productive when you’re at work”. I know there are a few rotations and specialties where working 80+ hours is the norm. You cannot expect people to be working at their best when they are absolutely exhausted. The solution is to fix the system (maybe have the maximum hours at 60) and stop blaming people for not being as productive when they are absolutely exhausted. This is inhumane treatment.

En conclusión, descubren que no les gusta la carrera en la práctica medica que en si es sacrificada. Tambien descubren que hay maneras de ganar mucho mas dinero sin sacrificar mucho. Y eso que en EEUU, seran millonarios al terminar la residencia. Falta caracter.

Work 80 hours a week, work out, socialize, and eat healthy.. all very important.. it’s about managing your time

Why’s this guy look like jakeNbake

She’s got money for that lip filler though!

Passive aggressive it’s learned and communications one01 in college for crying out loud!!! Get a life and stop indirectly and passive aggressively, putting someone out there and use your platform for educating and a more professional manner not by using someone as a sideshow for your own content

There are too many doctors in the population and usefulness of being a doctor is very low nowadays thanks to biomedical research and robotics. Other professions like nurse and technicians to operate machinery or chemists/researchers are much more needed for the future and better paid. Medicine is a too vague degree that is not as useful as it used to be...

Quit complaining about the effort and time and loans to become a doctor. Doctors are the highest paid profession. You can afford to pay it back. Before you say they can't, i never see them living in poverty and struggling to pay it back. Instead of buying that bmw, and huge house get a honda and keep renting and pay more back. You never see that though. They keep the loans cause they're tax deductible. If you don't like it then quit and do something else like Kevin Jubal did

If USA is also like this... I thought only my country is doomed.. The USA is still having a limit on number of patients they see.. Here we don't have 😭. Every person now who meets me who say they want to be a doctor... I FIRMLY SAY DONT. DO ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD BUT NOT THIS FIELD.