Hogan vs Hart at WM X was the only match we should have had. The passing of the torch from the 80's icon to the fastest rising wrestler of the 90's. Sadly that's not we got. Hart vs Hogan would have been we much a draw as Hogan vs Warrior had they spent a year building the match from WM IX onward. I honestly feel that Hogan's biggest fear was being booed against Hart. He never drew boos against Warrior because only kids were into Warrior whereas Hart was appealing to adults & most importantly fans of more technical wrestlers like Hart. The business was changing & Hogan knew it.
Well put. Hogan definitely feared Bret’s popularity at that time. Hogan was getting booed against Sid vicious so he knew the fans would choose Bret over him if they wrestled. Sadly we never got a passing of the torch match between them and it was all due to hogans back stage politics.
Yea but hogan rarely put anyone over clean even at kotr 93 vs yoko it wasnt a clean win although it should of been. Hogan on bret he just thought he was to small and wouldnt be convincing putting him over least thats what he thought. Hogan just got a HUGE ego!
Bret was the transition to modern wrestling which was actually old school wrestling. No one wrestles like Hogan any more. They wrestle like Bret and Shawn.
This Fantasy has gone way too far. Bollea or Cartoon " Hogan is a work" from the Mind of a sick man. " V K M" Hogan could not wrestle. Period when they are on their Backs. They are the same size, you get a 6' Catch wrestler against a non-educated Catch wrestler. Forget about it, I Don't care how Stupid this whole Hogan thing is, " he is wrestling in MSG the Mecca that Bruno Sammartino. Paid for by sheer number of sellouts. Bruno V Hogan, in a real Catch Match, Panty will be taken down. And eventually " Tap out" or a broken something
Everyone dork nerd pipsqueak goof in the business wrestles like Shawn. Which is why entire organizations like AEW are a CLOWNSHOW. 500 super kicks and knee slaps later....
No one wrestlers like Hogan anymore and the viewership is down. Modern wrestling if so extreme and trash that despite the billion dollar contracts they can't get a quarter of the audience Hogan had, so much for your silly modern Bret wrestling - Bret and Shawn drew flies and when the business imitates them it is always a down turn
@@1980TriumphWhat a poor take. The Attitude Era imitated Bret & Shawn's style and was the biggest boom in wrestling...probably bigger than Hogans era. You cant honestly be trying to claim that the attitude era imitated Hogans style? 😂😂
Agree, that would have been the biggest match in his entire career, have zero doubt Bret would have put together a master class, showcasing himself, retaining the aura of Hulk and a satisfying ending. The spot in the austin wm13 match where he pushes out of sharpshooter, always envisioned that would have been a sequence in a bret vs hulk match, where hulk pushes out once, battle, pushes out twice, battle, but that third time, he just couldnt do it, he taps, and Hulk shakes hands and hugs Bret in end.
@littletom1978 Hogan tapping would be a shit ending. Thats just your way to make Hogan look like shit. If Bret won it should be an out of nowhere roll up that catches Hogan off guard.
@@volourn9764um, no, was suggesting as a way to put over Brets hold as the new top guy, laid out Hulk would power out twice first, which noone had broken the hold even once then, showing hes still hulk hogan. A quick win or roll up does nothing to elevate Bret, just make him look lucky. Like how rather then saying disagree and throwing alternative , you just assume must hate hulk.
@@volourn9764I agree, even as a Bret fan, I can't see Hogan submitting... Unless it was in an Austin WM13 way when he never actually quits.. A quick small package, like vs Nash at Survivor Series (I think), would have likely been the finish.
The problem with that is bret wrestled diesel a yr later so is not like hogan could go "oh man if he could work with him...he could work with me!" Bret best matches came later ourside the mr.perfect match ofcourse i also heard hogan was against doing another babyface vs babyface match after doing it with warrior
Here's the points: -Bret was the champ. McMahon wanted Hogan to be the champ. -Normally, that means Hogan beating Bret, but they found another way. Bret should not be mad about that. -As for Hogan vs. Bret match, that was too big for KOTR, it would have needed to be Wrestlemania 10. -Bret's size was not a big guy that Hogan usually faced. Business-wise, what happened made sense.
@@camionerosfurgoneros5915 Exactly. Macho as champ in 1988 was not the top draw and needed Hulk to reach greater heights. But Macho Champ in 1992 was the genuine main event and held his own without Hogan.
Bret refused to drop the belt to Hogan. Bret not facing Hogan, was the same as Flair not facing Hogan at Wrestlemania 8. It's one of those what could have been, kind of things.
Hulk Hogan had worked with lots of smaller wrestlers who were around Hart's size before. Savage, Perfect and Piper immediately come to mind. They weren't all larger than him "monsters" like Studd, Bundy, Andre, Bossman, Akeem, Earthquake, Sid or Undertaker. I wouldn't put it past Hart to put 2 and 2 together to get 5. I also wouldn't put it past Vince McMahon somehow manipulating the situation so it looked to Hart like Hogan was screwing him over rather than Vince.
I agree. But also Bret tends to be very bitter when anything happens against him. Now of course he has been screwed over, but I also think that he believes his own hype a bit too much. Not trying to disrespect the guy, but he definitely has an ego, not just Hulk.
These ridiculous fan narratives about hogan are insane, who had Hogan not wrestled who was dangerous or skilled??? I swear man, the stupid lengths people go through to trash Hogan's character is insane. Hogan afraid of Bert but not near every other person he wrestled is stupid
Mr. Perfect was a better wrestler than Bret Hart. Besides, a face vs face match with one of them considerably larger and limited in moves is a totally different match.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Yes, I agree with both of you. Hogan vs. Warrior was a well-worked and exciting match, but did it really matter who would win? Did it really matter whose version of virtue would prevail? No, not another face vs. face match. Either Hart or Hogan were capable of turning heel; both had played heels before and Hogan WANTED to turn heel. He wanted to turn heel after losing to the Warrior. And, of course, this match was not all that long before his move to WCW in which he would become the leading figure for NWO.
Curt Henning was not a small guy. He was much bigger than Brett Hart but was also more athletic. I agree with you except for Curt being small. He was legit 6'3" 260-270lbs. Hart was 5'11" 220lbs with an awkward personality and strange way about him.
It's crazy how big guys like Dibiase and Rotundo were but you never thought about it because of how big everyone was in general. Dibiase being 6'4'' 260 would make him look like Hogan now compared to today's much smaller wrestlers.
@@jd9119 IRS' shirt helped. It made him look very beefy, but he had gained some weight from his Varsity Club peak when he was lean and mean but still stacked.
Love mania 9 remember begging my mom to get the ppv cause hulkamania was returning. I even like the finish. At the end of the day Hart won the main event the next year and had a better run.
In the end it was the only logical choice. Who else should've been Champion? There was no face outside Hogan who actually drew. Vince didn't like Heel Champions either, so Yokozuna was out of the question sadly. Hogan made sense because: - Huge, massive draw in Europe and that market started to become important. The Summer Tour 93 was completely built around Hogan. - Still the biggest draw in the USA (the best example and comparison: Without even putting the title on the line, Hogan drew 11,000 at the Meadowlands on May 22, 1993. Compare that to Bret just a year later: 4,000 on July 8 and 2,000 on August 27 1994!) - Slimmed down enough so he didn't look suspicious anymore during the steroid trial I mean what other face was there? Bret was the lowest drawing WWF Champion of the 90's. Undertaker famously bombed as Champion in 1991 and never drew much anyway, as proven in 1994. Who else should it have been? Backlund? Tatanka? 🤣
@@ShadowAngel606 ... I can't argue with that. Really in the time between Hogan leaving the WWF and probably Stone Cold's rise to popularity following WM13, business was well down in the WWF and that was when the likes of Brett Hart and Shawn Michaels were the headliners. Noticeably, with Hogan headlining the show, there was The Big Event in Toronto that drew over 60,000 as well as Wrestlemania's 3, 6 and 8 which were held in football or baseball stadiums. It wasn't until the likes of Stone Cold and The Rock started headlining shows did Wrestlemania's head back to the bigger stadiums. During Brett Hart's time as the headliner the ONLY major stadium show was SummerSlam 92 at Wembley Stadium in London ... and that was largely a draw thanks to the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith and it being a major PPV in London which the British fans loved. If it was left to Hart's drawing power, they'd have been in the Baltimore Arena in front of about 10,000 as originally planned instead of 80,000 at arguably the worlds most famous sporting venue. After Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Flair etc having the belt, most found it hard to take two, small, long time tag-team wrestlers like Hart and Michaels suddenly being the headliners of the company. And lets face it, Mabel (Big Daddy V) and even Kevin Nash as Diesel and Scott Hall as Razor Ramon just didn't draw dick.
Steal it from who? Not from Brett, as he didn't get the title back for a year. Steal it from Yokozuna, you mean? Are you that upset that Yoko didn't have the belt for 12 months instead of 10?
I don’t buy the size difference claim on Hulk’s account. He wrestled Roddy Piper tons of times and Roddy was small like Bret. So was Macho Man. It had nothing to do with the fact that Bret wasn’t a giant.
When WM 9 happened, they were both deeply entrenched as babyfaces. I can't think of a compelling reason for them to face each other, as far as storyline. The WWF basically portrayed them as friends. Hogan versus Warrior in WM6 felt like an inevitable collision between two forces destined to face each other. Of course, Hogan vs Flair in WM8 felt inevitable too, and that never happened in WWF outside of some house shows. I think Hogan vs Bret would've worked when Bret was in his anti-American angle, but Hogan was long gone at that point. Of course, WCW had Hogan, Flair, Bret, and Sting and somehow managed to screw that up.
First screw job on Bret. screwed WM9 and Summerslam 93, Hogan refused dropping the Belt to Bret ! Bret was face of the company and Hogan was on his way out again. he just refused to pass the torch to Bret.
I dont think hogan vs bret was gona make money im sorry but in 1993 most ppl say bret as midcarder that was champion only cuz hogan n warrior left n randy retired to be a commentator
Fans miss the point. These are actors…entertainers…1099s. A ton of ego, a ton of selfishness. Some accept their role in life, and some want the star spot. Think of it this way. These guys went to Wrestlecon. Not a thing wrong with that. They made their money and had a good time. Hogan’s a 70 year old man heading to an enormous memorabilia event and hanging with megastars. Brady and Manning will probably go up to him and get a picture. If Hogan loses to Bret, he probably is at Wrestlecon years later. He knew his business and played it right, even if it made enemies
If Dibiase could work with Hogan as a heel (and Savage)… Michaels could have, and I’m sure Brett could have figured it out. Let’s be real: ANYONE who was a chance to eclipse Hogan as a star was not getting a clean victory on him.
The only time I remember Hogan and Bret crossing paths was on Saturday Night's Main Event when he cleaned house against Bret, Jim and Honky-tonk Man as they double teamed Macho Man.
What's to politic? The business always revolves around who makes the most money. Hogan is one of if not the most important wrestlers ever because he was a proven money maker. Bret Hart never drew anywhere close to Hogan. You don't kill off the golden goose .
They should have given Hulk and Brutay the tag titles and let Yoko have a reign....Push Bret King Of The Ring 93...send Hulkster packin' and give Bret his moment a year later
There was a WCW match between Hulk & Bret & it lead to Bret joining the nWo. I also saw an interview with Hulk & he said Vince didn't want him to lose to a "little guy".
@@Speculativedude One thing I learned about the Hulkster, reading his book is that he's a doormat who was easily coerced by Vince, Eric & even his 1st wife LInda (Also his 2nd wife Jennifer). It does amaze me that someone as big as him can be such a wimp! If I were his size, everyone'd be scared of me! Then again, I am quite an assertive person.
I think this was something that Vince was trying to do to keep him in wwe This is right before Hogan left for wcw Bret was to fast for Hogan That was not going to happen
The ending was perfect. Nobody was buying Bret Hart as a world champion in 92-93. Hogan had the best response of the night in the tag match. And instead of ending WM for the 1st time with a heel winning on a fuck finish, Hogan taking the belt back made the crowd happy as hell. I'll always love the endless flow of smark tears over this. Nobody was complaining about it. The revisionism is hilarious.
Nonsense. Bret was clearly the face of the company and the people's champ. That was obvious all through 1993 when Hogan's title run was a complete dud and then followed up with Lex Luger's ill-fated push lol. By the time the Royal Rumble rolled around it was clear Bret was THE guy in the eyes of the fans which is why he got the belt back at WMX. Hulkamania started it's death spiral in the early 90's when The Undertaker beat Hogan and got a good reaction from it but of course Hogan politicked to squash any momentum The Undertaker had. And in Royal Rumble 92 after Hogan eliminated Sid the crowd was clearly in Sid's corner and Sid picked up on it and taunted Hogan in the ring who looked like he was about to cry because he was getting booed 😂 After the event was over Hogan went crying to Vince backstage about the reaction he was getting and what did Vince do? He had the whole segment re-dubbed and pumped in the fake cheers so it would look like the crowd cheered Hogan to sooth his fragile ego. By '93 Hulkamania was dead and you could tell he wasn't getting the kind of reaction from the crowd that he got in his glory days. Even when Yokozuna beat him at KOTR '93 you could visibly see fans cheering in the audience 😂
@@AxeSmashDemolition if you think Bret Hart was the face of WWE in 1993 then you are delusional. Bret was mid card talent. He only got the belt in 92 because of the steroid scandal. Vince never intended to make Bret the champion for the long run. Vince chose Lex Luger because he already was a star in WCW. He had the look and they did the lex Express. Bret Hart cried backstage that Vince promised him the belt at Summer slam. Luger was supposed to win the belt at Summer slam but due to backstage heat they changed the finish last moment because the celebration win was a part of it. Bret got inserted him in the main event picture by winning the rumble and rest is Urban legend that Luger wasn't over. Jim cornette and many know the truth, but they love Bret and think he deserved the belt so they give vague answers why Luger didn't win the belt. Bret Hart was a nobody in 91 or 92. He was a tag and IC guy. People thinking he was bigger than Hogan and warrior are quite delusional. The house shows of 93 did much better with Yokozuna and Luger being the main event on most house shows. When Bret Vs Owen and Bret Vs Niedhart didn't draw a dime. The house shows clearly crashed in July 1994. Overall Yoko drew better as a champion than Bret. Even on House shows Bret Hart wasn't part of the best selling house shows in Europe. WWE propaganda machine likes putting things like Bret was the biggest international star ever 😂. There are sites that tell who sold better in 93 and 94? It's an easy Google Search with house shows attendance display and information with top selling house shows with attendance. Hogan and warrior were main event and Bret and Shawn made the WWF title feel like the cruiserweight championship.
@Mangler411 I was a fan at that time, and EVERYONE was complaining about it 😂 Hogan was so past it back then. He was cheered at Mania 9 as he hadn't been seen for months, so it was a special appearance, and also, it ended the show on a high after Yoko winning killed the entire buzz.. (just look at the crowd reaction). If Hart would have retained, they'd have gone equally as nuts.
@@Buckdawg I've been watching WWF, NWA, AWA and other stuff since 78. So I know what I'm saying. Bret Hart being the WWF champion in 92 was laughable to most fans. The house shows attendance pretty much proves my point. Yokozuna outdrew Bret as a champion. Classic smart fans rewriting history.
Hogan just has to be in the spot lite He didn't want to go against Bret because Bret would have made him look bad because Hogan is a kick, punch vertical wrestler Bret has all those moves Hogan would not have ben able to keep up.
There's no doubt they could've had decent matches. But how are you gonna sell it? Ya gonna do a 240 lb, amateur wrestling style heel vs. the 300 lb babyface hero? Bret would've resisted any heel turn. A babyface match wouldn't have sold s**t
Hogan wanted to make money. I don’t care how good of a wrestler you are, this is Professional Wrestling! It’s not the Olympics. Hogan knows how to make money. Bret is amazing, but be honest, would you want to watch and pay for a Hogan vs Bret match?
I think Hogan V Bret may have been a great draw, but Hogan wouldn't know how to work with Bret, because Bret would make Hogan look the shits because he can't wrestle!
@@toakenspy he was taught in japan by Hiro Matsuda and there is plnety japan matches etc so he oviously could wrestle when had too like i said he wasnt forced to in the us blame vince tbh .
Ted, had charisma, had size and could draw. Yokozuna was a physical marvel and could also draw. Brett was small compared to Hulk, was a little weird as all of the Harts are ( Teddy, Stu) , no charisma, he certainly was a great technical wrestler but does that draw? I was not interested. Hulk was right he was not in his league, Brett was strange enough to believe that he became champion when he was pushed and given the title. I stopped watching when he and Shawn were champions even though Shawn was a much better entertainer than Brett still did not appeal to me. Million Dollar man, Hacksaw , Don Muraco were the best until the Attitude Era .
Ted sat there thinking “shit how do I get out of this, if I say what actually happened then hogan will spit his dummy out and it will drag on until he finally drops dead of a heart attack” As far as a bret/hogan match… why on earth should bret carry hogan for any amount of time because the guy can’t wrestle? Hogan is THEEEEEEEE most OVERrated name of all wwf/wwe time! Fact!
In a real " catch, Or G R W," Brett Heart would empty That work, Vinces. Comic Hero. Bolle. In about 15 minutes 😮 Brett's heart is not in his league. He is so far advanced as a Technical wrestler. After what happened in 🇨🇦 😂 back is a " B"
Hogan versus Bret would not have worked in 93. The ending was done to see if Hogan could still draw as champion. Even when he dropped the title back to Yokozuna at King of the Ring he had to have a screwy finish to make him look good.
Yea because Hogan couldn't move fast so Bret could get his typical spots. I'm quite sure Ted DiBiase knows what he's talking about. Hogan couldn't have adapted to Bret's style. It's that simple.
Marcus is a weasel and out of his mind. He only shares Bret's perspective because like most DORKS he has this need believe any negative spin about Hogan/ Bret wasn't drawing so they mad a last ditch effort to capitalize on Hogan - end of story, Also Hogan has been consistent on this while Bret keeps going back and forth until it became clear that Marcus and the like have made it popular to crap on Hogan. In that shoot interview Bret did with Anvil he spoke highly of Hogan and this was after Wrestlemania 9. Also why does Hogan need to politic? You never actually hear wrestlers confirm it just the dorks on interview them as push it.
It would have worked if Hogan could have gotten out of the way of his own ego, let someone else have the limelight and trusted Bret to lead it. Bret would have let Hogan lose with dignity. Bret made literally every super heavyweight he wrestled look like a million bucks, it would have been the perfect match because Bret would have let Hogan have all of his offence and if anything wrestle more and see more than the usual 10 minute Hogan Hulk up no sell after being pounded BS match. The issue was pure and simple Hogan didn't like to lose clean to anyone and there was no way at that time he would go with tapping out to Bret's finisher. Funny thing is, Bret would have gone with an alternative ending if Hogan just asked nicely.
