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It's rough - 1v1 elo is a solved problem, one single metric to determine matchmaking and it should be the same metric that goes up or down when you lose. If you don't have a proper bell curve on the ranked distribution then you failed. Nice video.
Well that's not exactly a perfect solution in this case since, unlike in a game like chess, not every character is the same. At some point you have to make a decision as to how someone's mastery of their entire pool of characters factors into the equation. Having the entire roster of the characters you've never played rank up to the bottom of the tier below you when you reach a new personal best rank does help with that problem, but it's still not perfect. There is no perfect catch all solution and everyone seems to oversimplify matchmaking in their heads.
@@BigDaddyWesye the initial state of the game was atrocious for new players, it was just convenient for longtime players and that caused a massive uproar lol I think my winrate to garyu as a tekken beginner and already sweat gamer from other games was like 27%. It was the worst gaming experience I had, just awful
Thank you for confirming my bias with actual knowledge/depictions. I played Alisa, Zafina, Jack, and Hwoarang all up to about Battle Ruler. Decided I wanted really start learning the game and I wanted to prove to my friends, who claim I only play cheesy characters, I picked up post nerfs Devil Jin. Got fujin, felt proud. Little did I know what have a 5th character above battle ruler would do to my prowess... Maybe 1 in 5 games I play against someone that is a Fujin or within a couple ranks realistically. It is always someone with 250k+ prowess. Their main is likely many more ranks higher and the "alt" they are using is the character they simply haven't grinded through ranked yet. They are excellent players that can beat lower rank players pretty much regardless of what character they use as long as they have basic knowledge (which they always have from either setplay with friends or previous experience). Point is... I am not hardstuck bc of people at my actual ceiling. I am hardstuck by people many ranks higher bc of prowess. The answer... is to get much much better. I don't have to get to the same level as a "raijin" player but I have to get to the skill level of the most common player in that rank, which is mostly emperors and above on alts. Sooooo... why play ranked at all? Many in my FGC are tekkeng king/gods. I will just keep getting destroyed by them with no extra stress until I am good enough to blast the prowess ceiling wide open.
Great video and great analysis!! Be aware though that this graph takes data only out of matches so it does account only the active players that played at least one match and got scouted by the code. It does not account for all the players that are not playing at the moment, in this second case you get higher values on all the first 10 ranks, and you get a +10% in the "beginner" column. This said, everything you said is absolutely true and the tendencies stay the same in both graphs. By the 1.08 changes are band aid in my opinion😅
3:40 that’s exactly what’s happening though…. These graphs mirror the rank distribution from T7. People reach a color they feel comfortable stopping at, and stop playing rank. Blue rank is generally considered the start of “high rank”, that’s why most players stop at Fujin.
What's the solution though? Prowess messes up the rank distribution, but it keeps skill level consistent while playing ranked. Without including prowess we might see much larger swings in skill from match to match because of alt characters. Maybe the right system depends on the % of players that play multiple characters. If 50% of the player base plays on alt characters ranked becomes chaos. If it's only 5% games would still be pretty consistent.
The solution is to not use prowess to match make. If someone is good enough to blow throw low ranks on an alt they’re going to rank up and let the less skilled players stay at their rank as they learn the game organically. Plenty of other games have great rank systems. This is a totally solved problem
@@TrickyEileen That's why I mentioned that maybe it depends on the % that play alts. If you're playing ranked and every 10 matches you run into someone that completely dominates you that's fine. But if 50% of the player base likes to jump around to different characters that 10 matches could shrink down to every 3 matches you get completely dominated. IMO that would suck more than the current system. IDK, I'd like to see changes too, but maybe they know something we don't...they get paid to think about this and have all the data.
This is why I take a 1-2 month break whenever I rank up 1-2 spots. I play quick/player matches to get comfortable fighting “similar” ranked folks before I jump back in. The skill jumps are wild sometimes
I've been considering doing just this. Just made it to Tekken King and got an almost 50,000 prowess jump. Faced Tekken Gods and got my butt beat over and over.
Idk man I hit battle ruler and there absolute gods hiding in quick matches lol or just refuse to play ranked. Maybe it’s just the times I play but I was playing my flame ruler only getting tekken gods and raijin match ups
I took a 3 months break because it felt unfun to rank even in the lower ranks, I really enjoy Tekken at a higher level. I think I will try what you did and get comfortable with matchups and playing a lot of quick/player match instead!
I got your back if you ever want a stats crash course. lol 😆 glad you liked it. There is always space for a guest anchor ⚓️, just throwing it out there
I had a promotion match against a 375k prowess fujin Eddy… mind you I was at 164k prowess. I felt so cheated. Now on my way up to raijin- one step at a time.
What? At raijin at only like 170k prowess? My highest is Fujin and I am at 220k. I really messed myself up playing too many different characters huh? Lol...
That would happen to me, but i wouldn’t rematch a dlc character, at least one i didn’t buy. You can’t take over ur character in the replay vs a dlc character. Really scummy from Namco. So one n done anytime vs dlc.
@@Sicknificant1 I was going from battle ruler to fujin- my prowess is now 186,614 in fujin so the raijin bump will be nice- that specific match tho, yeah that was where I was at. I only have a Jin in purples otherwise- my character rn is Asuka.
I definitely hit a wall at Garyu. Been ping ponging back and forth between Garyu and Eliminator. Currently on my longest run in Garyu, but sometimes it feels like I'm just getting fed to better players.
Just made Fujin yesterday, but I was hard stuck at Garyu for the longest time, it's the first big wall a lot of players encounter, just keep at it and you will eventually get comfortable in red ranks, the skill gap between them and purple isn't as bad as that first jump from orange to red.
Same I'm in garyu and bounce as well. I know im not the best but it is frustrating. I need to better defense for sure. I lab, but it don't stick. I think I'm just gonna play and try to level up my skill but playing and playing
Going through that right now. I keep getting put against players with 200k prowess and a lot of blue ranks. It doesn’t help that you lose more against people who are a higher rank than you. Thankfully the next patch changes this and hopefully we both get past this wall.
Like half of garyus are just hardstuck purple/fujins on alts going 1 and 1 destroying garyus and losing to another fujin garyu. The actual garyus are getting farmed. Sadly, before the "smurfs" would at the very least quickly rank up and be gone. Now Mr. Gotthegameamonthago has to go against me and wonder how Tekken thought it would be a good idea to put a garyu against another garyu with 200k prowess. He loses. Then I the next game get to go against a tenryu with 240k prowess. I lose and lose more points too. Meaning my pubstomp on the actual garyu actually was for nothing and if I am lucky i will queue into him again to farm some points. Used to be you just quickly ascended through the ranks while saying sorry to the people in your way but at least it was quick. Prowess sucks as anything more than just a reference number.
I started Tekken 8 last week. Did the usual look up a guide for my character, put about 20 hours in the practice room, then jumped into ranked. The issue I noticed in the beginner ranked were six figure (or 80k+) prowess and full S+ players being matched to me about 80% of the time (tracked my own metrics). My ranked filter is +-2. I've been told at beginner ranks prowess and all that doesn't matter, but (s+ XXX,XXX prowess) players consistently full combo, do not miss punishes and constantly deconstruct my playstyle. Explanations given have been "all players have to rank up and tekken has lots of knowledge and a high skill player base", but that was 7 months ago when the game came out they should have moved on to higher ranks, right? On matches not against S+ high prowess opponents I have about a 60% win rate. That'd be fine if those were my primary opponents, but they're not. This has made ranking up very slow and honestly it's making the game boring. To further discourage me I disabled the rank filter, got matched back against 2 warrior ranks, and won 3 to 0 each time; they both opted not to fight again. Contrasting this with the +-2 filter is a little abysmal. Crawled my way up to ranger yesterday and my current strategy is to just take an L if their prowess is over 80k or they have all S+ stats. Save my energy for matches I can actually win. The other players tend to get upset when I let them win, but they're doing perfect frame lightening fists, Korean back dashes, and have had 7 months to not be a 0 dan. I'll keep grinding the game up, but this whole experience of being farmed at beginner levels has led me to not recommend this game to any new players.
Bell Curve is the normal way a chart like this should work. I am not sure but the problems i think are multi tiered. You have ranks that you can't derank, then just get enough points and at the highest is based percentage of win/lose. Prestige system is also a problem. I get it because the idea i believe is "if you've gottem this far you should be X good!" To stop ppl stomping lower players but ot really doesn't work.
From my experience, Wavu Wank's mmr calculation is far more accurate. I am a hardstuck Shinryu and man is it so discouraging to play, and when I look at their mmr in wavuwank I always say "that makes sense."
I’m currently a 275k prowess Tekken god solely playing Jun but then I went to play a second character and see how it felt to play in blue again I found matches in blue were a lot of GoDs on a second character making games as sweaty as my main and when I find someone who’s a real purple I feel so bad for them cuz they get whooped cuz the huge gap in skill
Want to add to this.. i am emperor with 260k prowess (i main shaheen but like to play other characters too and have maybe 7 or 8 fujin-raijin characters which inflated my prowess a bit). I have been hard stuck at emperor for over 2 months. More often than not i am matched with players with 350k prowess and i get wrecked, i get demoted to king, get my rank back by fighting blue ranks with 200-230k prowess, then immediately am put back to fighting monsters at 350k+. Not only that, it will match me with the same high rank players 4 or 5 ft2s in a row. Its been the most brutal experience of any ranked game for me. On one hand i like the opportunity to play real killers, but i feel like i havent gotten any better for it. Its totally possible ive peaked/need to hit the lab more but god damn this shit sucks and i feel like im actually getting worse only fighting people higher or lower than me.
See and the issue is there are tons of players who you could be fighting that are actually close to your actual skill at the game. But the matchmaking thus far just breaks at higher prowess. Whatever settings they have it on, needs to be fixed. There are tons of folks across different skills but for one reason or another , it won’t match us
they should implement MMR after Tekken King, cause this shit is crazy, after I hit 230k I have been getting matched but nothing but GoD's and absolutely no bushins or kishins. What's worse is once you get 230k prowess it doesn't drop back to bushin prowess, but you keep getting matched with the same players in that bracket, like that's insane
Been hard stuck in red ranks for months. Gotten 3 separate characters to Garyu (got Lidia to Shinryu a few days ago) and from that point on it’s exactly what you said, either I face players who are extremely easy to beat or I get players who are my rank or higher but yet play like they have been playing Tekken for years and can read almost everything I throw at them. Matches when I get to red ranks go something like this usually… Win, loss, loss, loss, loss, de-rank, win, win, rank up, win, loss, win, loss, loss, loss, loss, de-rank, repeat process again. There is a bit of nuance to this and it’s not exactly like this every time but it just seems impossible to get out of red. Luckily, I even got Lidia to Shinryu but guess what? Yeah, I won like two matches and got steamrolled all the way back down to Eliminator where I easily beat all players and got back to Garyu again… Now, call this a cope if you want but I work a full time job, other responsibilities and things that I need to do so I don’t have a lot of time to learn Tekken as much as I would like so I’m not the greatest player but the fact that this is the way it has been for months and that this is how it ALWAYS goes tells me that ranked is unbalanced or just completely broken. Not to mention that how much xp you get or lose based on if you win or lose is just ridiculous.
it is broken bro. It happen the same to me but around blue and purple ranks. Even the win-loss streak you mentioned, it's exactly the same for me. I just never went down to purple ranks because at this point true purple ranks (and fujin) are waaay behind in skill.
Man, im exactly like you! Having a job and a family I can only play couple of hours per day and sometimes it’s super frustrating in ranked. Just yesterday I had lost to three Tenryu in a row (who were clearly deranked Mighty Ruler)! I wish I could play more people who are true Garyu like myself.
Nah it's really just you coping tbh. Players that have an alt in red rank aren't far off from where you're at. You're absolutely not affected by this especially since the pool of players at red is gigantic.
@@BrqinstormYou see, you say this but yet when you compare Prowess scores, sometimes they are vastly higher than mine. Ranks should be based on Prowess in my opinion.
Just subscribed this is so good. Been researching for a while and never really got to understand what was going on. I never played ranked past Garyu but my partners are purple-blue in T8 (We were all blue-emperor in T7). I beat them consistently 5-3, 5-2 or 5-0 in sets. But the other time I play ranked, found 2 players who were very clean. Cleaner than all of us) in Garyu with the best Devil Jin and Bryan I ever played in T8? Near perfect fundamentals, matches were always close in final round but felt like tournament sets. Meanwhile next opponent gets perfected 3-0 or 3-1 and felt beginner-like to me. That contrast is just insane.
Thank you for saying something I feel like nobody has noticed this or said anything about it I've realized this a while ago from playing quite a few characters it boosted my prowess up a lot when Eddie came out my competition completely changed
This was my first Tekken and I'm still new to fighting games, so I decided to set a challenge for myself to learn the game. I would get all the characters to red ranks. I did this, except for Lidia. In terms of learning I think it was a good choice. But in terms of ranking up, it was a terrible choice. My prowess is higher than many blue players, so I face many Bushin and higher players while my highest characters are at Shinryu. And yet if they are playing a side character that is Destroyer rank, I work my ass off and get no points for winning. This makes it feel grueling to rank up at all. I wonder if I'd just stuck with one character, if I might've ranked up more by being more appropriately matched with people closer to my skill bracket. Could this be solved by making matchmaking based on actual rank? Great video Tricky!
Its interesting because while your true skill level may feel much lower, it pushes you against higher competition which is demanding more skill expression from you at an earlier time. And while you may not be totally ready for that, it does also set a precedent to learn characters using fundamentals rather than their individual knowledge checks and gimmicks. If you have the fundamentals to reach red many times over, anyone would be hard pressed to say its a fake rank.
Totally going through this, hit tekken king -> fujin, changed mains and finally hit bushin again. Super demoralizing initially but also grateful bc I was pushed to improve fundamentally much more by getting my ass beat so much. Still not a sensible system overall
As someone floating around 220k prowess and hardstuck Battle Ruler/Fujin, I be getting my pockets ran by these tekken king+ ranked players ok their 4th or 5th characters And people hitting purple for the first time shouldn't be playing the hardstuck me trolling on my second or third character
When I started playing ranked more often I was around Tekken Emperor and stayed for awhile because i didnt touch ranked because i thought i needed to prepare myself before climbing but i wasn't fighting the same skill level of players in ranked as i was in quick match in ranked i kept facing 350K prowess players(Max Ranked Players) and quick match i was facing same rank and same rough prowess which I was able to stomp which didn't seem real for the rank. Anyway I started only playing ranked and facing stronger players which ultimately made me stronger and able to break into the God Ranks
New subscriber here. Everything you’re saying is spot on. My biggest problem is definitely the matchmaking prowess. I just hit Tekken God but my prowess is 262K. No way in hell should I be matching up with 430K prowess.
Oh I'm already aware that Ranked mode in Tekken 8 is a nightmare ALL of my biggest struggles and most progress lost in ALL of Tekken 8 is ALL in Ranked mode. The rest of it is easy by comparison almost laughably so. I've reached the Dead zones already and its a nightmare The peaks are two types of hell "Red Rank hell" and "Blue rank hell" I've been exploring the "Red Rank hell" I might make it to purple one day and maybe Blue hell I DOUBT I'll EVER escape Blue hell if I get there even once.
My prowess is 210k, I experience exactly what you said, I either utterly demolish my opponent, or I get matched with a 270k prowess Tekken King on an alt character who destroys me.
Very interesting stuff! I switched my main after hitting blue with Bryan, been stuck at tenryu/ mighty ruler cos everyone I fight is a bushin-god on an alt. Definitely feel like it’s helped me get better tho and I can feel myself breaking through the gate and I can now keep up with most of those players so I don’t mind it too much tho it is very stupid. It would be interesting to rank up a fresh account and see how high I got cos my prowess is cooked 😂
I knew reading comments Id find a similar take. My understanding is, you should fight stronger opponents to get better, not the same opponents you left behind. Being in red and purple and fighting blue rank players makes sense to me. You'll get whipped for sure, but soon you'll adapt to the speed and playstyle of better players. Thats why in higher ranks theres faster less spammy play. What we idealize as TRUE TEKKEN.
I can confirm, all througout purple, i fight garyu to tenryu players that are about 180000 to 200000 prowess that are clearly MUCH better than me, but still ranking up their secondary and tirciary characters
Ima 191 raijin, this my first tekken on my 3rd character and when I say I truly don’t know my skill level I played mk1 where anybody can pickup a meta team and violate
Wish people would talk about prowess more. They say they're improving the match making but didn't mention prowess at all. An MMR system where you can't go down? Who thought this was a good idea?
As an additional comment, region at least in my experience has played a huge part in it, as someone who lives in the Caribbean the skill distribution is almost non existant, one game i can go from playing a master ruler and next game a GoD trying to rank up his 4th character. (just for reference i am currently in Kishin)
The Tekken prowess is fucked, I pub stumped all the way to Raijin, now I’m hard stuck in between fujin and Raijin. And I know this is a normal place to get stuck in. But now I’m vs actual killers I vs in tekken 7 who was tekken god and above in 7. Also I took me years to hit fujin in tekken 7, soo it’s strange how easy it is to hit blue in tekken 8. Ps now I finished the video, I’m in ranked 2.0 without hitting king 😭 I’m cursed to be forever in blue.
I’m at Tekken King but have been fluctuating between TK and Bushin/other blue ranks for several months now. This “hidden level” of blue ranks who are actually just alts for Tekken Gods - Gods of Destruction basically has me hard stuck. I don’t want to complain because the game is supposed to be competitive and difficult, but the reward to punishment ratio for wins and losses just feels wayyyyy off when you get to this level. Like if I saw as many normal blue ranks as I do players whose highest rank is Tekken Emperor/higher I’d definitely be Tekken Emperor by now. And I don’t one-and-done or anything but it’s gotten so bad that I almost don’t blame other players for one and done-ing if I run right through them and they care about not losing a ton of points for going on a losing streak.
Maybe they should insert challenges in each rank where they become more difficult as you progress, but they help you build your skills (like the combo challenges in practice mode), and that allows you to rank up in a way where you can more easily come across players at a similar skill level as you (because they'll have a comparative amount of challenges completed to you). So someone who's completed 30 challenges wouldn't be randomly thrown up against someone who's completed like 200 challenges. It could be things like "Counter this type of string 150 times in online matches", "Parry this character's snake edge kick 100 times in online matches", etc. Basically assign character-specific challenges that help you train against that particular character so you can then learn how to deal with them in the future battles. Idk, maybe that sounds dumb or it'd be considered too much hand holding or too much micro-management from the development side. Just throwing the idea out there.
I have to agree with this. I'm in flame ruler, and I'll fight fujins that are good, but a lot of the time, I'm trying to figure out how they made it that far
Glad i stumbled upon this video, as a 240k+ prowess player the matchmaking experience has kicked my ass. Hit tekken king and never actually faced other tekken kings, i fought GoD on their 5th character with 400K prowess, eventually i got demoted a bit to kishin and now its a guessing matchmaking, i either stomp a true blue or face another demoted gold or fight tekken gods and up on alt characters, really miserable sometimes
I got to Garyu and pretty much quit playing. Felt like a good place to stop before I lose my mind. The peaks in the first tier of each new colour make sense to me, it makes me think of the SF6 rank distribution. I can imagine a lot of people just hitting that ranked goal and stopping. I am looking forward to the 1.08 update where they at least change how points are earned and lost against ranks higher/lower than you. I'm gonna try it out again and see if it feels any different.
Was stuck at garyu since like launch. Up my game last month and got to tenryu only to be knocked right down back to garyu lol. Took a break. I'll try again with Heihachis launch. It's so painful. But I'm glad to know it's not because I just completely suck
I realized this the first time i reached Fujin. It was more than just fighting players of a higher rank, they were a different skill caliber. I noticed it again when I reached Tekken King. It even seems to impact quick match. It's like you get moved to a different "bracket" of players once your prowess reaches a certain point. I do feel that I get matched with players who have prowess at least 100K higher than mine more than someone of equal prowess.
Once I made to Tekken King with Kazuya I went back to flame ruler because I had been getting people with crazy defense and mashers and had Jun at Kishin and wend down toFujin but in Quick Match I get people who are in my skill level
Tekken8 is my first Tekken and I been pretty much stuck in Fujin/Raijin. I don't mind it cause I'm well aware the difference between Raijin and Tekken King is just massive and I'm not willing to put in the work in to get there. So I'm destined to be here till T9 which imho is fine Really enjoying Tekken8, last one I played was Tekken3. Tried T7 but really didnt like it and quit within like 3h lol Having a blast with T8
My story: i was ranking up, i was excited to be in blue ranks, when i hit fujin it felt good, i got raijin, i couldn’t believe it, when i got kishin i was feeling good about myself, when i reached bushin, i was like damn!! at this point i was super focused trying not to tilt, i already knew tekken king or even tekken emperor people were gonna be super good, one day i was focused a lot, making reads, everything worked out. I got tekken king, prowess went up to 240k. Now i’m getting stomped, and i hang around bushin or kishin. I can’t get tekken king anymore. And the sweats are insane. There are a few wack players at tekken king, but not many i can say for sure. I’m just happy to be at the ranks i am and not be demoted back to fujin or eternal, that would be the worst.
Why did I have to find this video after I hit GoD? This would’ve so much sense to me on why I was trying so hard after I hit gold ranks💀 great video explanation ❤️
I dont think in the early ranks you should lose matches without consequence it should be as hard as red rank in the first 3 ranks and after that it should get harder and harder.
Wow she is so right I can't get passed red rank and when I get to red rank I get deranked all the way back to yellow which makes it so hard to keep playing trying to rank up
I’m a Raijin Law main and also have a Flame Ruler Eddie…the worst part about blue ranks is mfs always one and done you or plug you cuz it’s just so hard to get to blue ranks cuz so many ppl are hard locked in purple or red which makes it so toxic. On PSN I get messages from nasty ppl every day and I’m only a Raijin. Every time I have a promo to Kisirin it’s against a Tekken King who’s way better than me or I win but get plugged…so frustrating. Ppl are hard locked in the first rank of red purple and blue cuz they plug on demotion matches. I’ll win 3 in a row and get plus 250 and the lose IN ROUND 5 by a hair to a mf about to hit Tekken King and boom minus 1000…it’s so lame.
@@royce536 okay nice opinion? What’s the point of your comment dog. Blue ranks is right before the extremely good ranks that hardly have any players…if you make it to high blue ranks you for sure have a mastery of one character and understand the game. You’re far better than most players in blue ranks lol.
Tekken's ranked system needs a complete overhaul. It needs to copy something similar to Street Fighter 6, IMO. SF6 does a decent enough job of keeping weak players away from strong players and has an elo system takeover after you reach the max rank.
Sf6's ranked system is great but it still has a problem with its player distribution in ranked, platinum 4-1 is such a wild variance of people who are actual killers to people who have one character gimmick that is difficult to overcome or relies on knowledge checks.
@@Vanity0666 You are correct. SF6 naturally pushes people into master rank so the elo system can take over. It wants everybody in master eventually. You can get to master with a 45% win rate. You cannot get to 2000+ MR with a losing win rate. So once you do hit master, the real filter begins. In a vacuum, I don't mind it.
the prowess system wouldnt be a problem if the point system for wining would be better and it would take into account ur as well to average the point rewards. . She is also not wrong i get frustrated because i cant rank up to blue and progress time to play with my red rank and i laugh because i didnt realize now i was making it hell for the actual red main but am trying to level another character so sucks for him and it would suck for me when i actually get match up with a better purple in disguise or god of destructionn in disguise. Hopefully this new update will do something but thats rank now.
remember when warrior and then at the end of season 4, genbu were the only peaks in tekken 7 ranked. The old rank system was perfect for keeping people in their actual skill bracket, rank point gain and decrease were consistent as well and the stupid promoting sending you to the half point of the next rank didnt exist either.
The problem of having BOTH ranks and tekken prowess to measure player proficiency. They used to only consider ranks in matchmaking. As a result, high ranked users ranking up their lower-ranked characters became more noticeable. So people complained. The devs had a VERY easy answer at their fingertips: strengthen alt rank bonuses so lower-ranked characters (i.e. characters that you never played or played less of) would start at a higher rank than before. Maybe a 2~3 rank difference from your main. What did they do? They SPLIT THE MATCHMAKING BETWEEN SIMILAR TEKKEN PROWESSES. The problem? You split each rank into several matchmaking pools. For example, you have 100000~ mmr pools, 150000~mmr pools, and 200000~ pools IN THE SAME BLUE RANKS. Why is this a problem? Well, 1. Splitting your playerbase severely breaks matchmaking. Suppose I'm a blue rank player, and have 3000 people with characters that are at the same skill level as me. This system makes it so that 1000 of them are stuck at ruler ranks than me due to them having a higher tekken prowess, and I'm left with god knows how many after excluding people in different regions. 2. The Tekken prowess system is trash. Most of what it does, is it compiles the ranks of every character you have, and apply different weights according to how high their ranks are. This is good, since it means the player with two blue ranked character doesn't get double the tekken prowess of someone with one blue ranked character, but more ranks=/=better player. There are some benefits to playing multiple characters, but at the end of the day, your rank is how good you play that character. If I play worse than the average, I rank down. if I play better, I rank up. Having ten more blue ranks doesn't mean jack if I can't beat fellow blue ranked players. The problem? If you level up multiple characters, you are raised to a higher matching pool than your actual skill level. Suppose that I'm a blue rank player with 10, 15, 20 alt characters that I play. That would inflate my prowess to ~Tekken God level players, and the result? I get matched with Tekken Emperor~Tekken God alt characters 80% of the time. I get obliterated. Then I'm stuck at ruler ranks with ~80% of my prowess left, and I wait for 5~10 minutes every match to meet SOMEONE at ruler ranks with similar prowess as me. The tekken prowess system is trash, but it didn't matter since they weren't used in matchmaking. Now that they ARE used, it destroyed the matchmaking system. I still don't understand how they thought this was a good idea. Thank you for this video, feels like something was lifted from my chest.
My friend plays king and can beat players higher ranked (in player matches not ranked) than him sometimes but is still stuck in orange ranks. Any advice?
@@hands-ongaming7180 Orange ranks? He can start by blocking.. You can beat most players at those ranks by just blocking and punishing because nobody respects the frames
The other Reason the Fujin bar is so high is because when you hit Blue you now lose way more point to losing to ranks efffing higher than you than losing to ranks below you .... which is stupid enough before you hit the 230k gate ..... but gets elavated to a new level of Wank when you go through the 230K gate because you are now fighting MUCH better players ranking up a pocket character, AND dealing with the wank points system ..... lets hope the 1.08 patch fixes this Bollox ..... or at least takes the edge of it.
Ok… thanks a lot for that video, explains a lot about me currently having such a hard time getting out of blue ranks… I haven’t reached king yet but broke through to bushin and stayed their for a while… now I am back at fujin and busting my ass to go back up. I am pretty sure my quality of play hasn’t degraded that much, so I think your theory rings true
Yeah. I can say my opponents now are way stronger than the ones I faced at lower prowess at the same rank. It’s silly and not how ranks are supposed to operate lol
I simply chose to stop at blue, but at that time, I only knew how atrocious the point allocation was. I thought the Prowess matchmaking wasn't _too_ bad, but when you factor in that it doesn't function the same as standard ELO/MR, and that you're "caged" into fighting similar Prowess players regardless of the rank you fell into...yeah, I think I made the right call. 😂 And I don't think the rank points changes in 1.08 will address the Prowess issue, as far as we've been shown.
Yeah ngl I'm hard stuck in the fujin bracket because I'm either fighting god rank alts or I'm absolutely stomping poor purple ranked players who have no idea what's going on.
I am really glad you made this video. I thought it was just me and I was going crazy. Took forever to get to tekken king on my main. Once I finally did, I deranked back to Fujin so quickly.
The point about there being 2 sets of blue players is true but I think the inflation at Fujin is more easily explained by the win/loss penalties changing. Blue ranks is the first time where losing hurts you more than winning and you need a consistently positive win rate to climb. So consequently it is much easier to reach Fujin than it is to reach any rank above it, because you it’s literally the first point where the game starts expecting you to be a winning player to rank up.
I have MIXED opinions on this. I do agree this system makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, especially coming from other fighting games were rank was just a linear increase, rather than all these random factors. HOWEVER! I wouldn’t be as good as I am now if I wasn’t FORCED to change up how I viewed the game as a whole, and truly leveled up to handle the crazy players they were throwing at me.
Honestly I’m the same way that’s why I didn’t really make a huge fuss about the prowess matchmaking. Once you reach a threshold, the game throw you to the sharks and says sink or swim. I don’t really mind it personally, I’m forced to adapt. It actually gave the rank system a nice adrenaline rush for me.
@@gilet102 Honestly the only I’d personally fix about rank is running into people who’re way higher or lower than you. Theirs no reason a Fujin player should matching with people 5 ranks below or above them like- wtf? It never felt this bad in t7
@@gilet102right cuz it’s filtering by prowess first then rank. Which is kind of backwards. It should be rank, then prowess within that rank distribution if they want to keep the prowess matchmaking feature. The filter order is backwards
Tekken Devs are not listening to the players. When Tekken Prowess start affecting player's quick match and rank games and everyone complained about it(yes it affect your quick matches too), all they said was they "fixed it" and nothing was changed, didn't say how it was "fixed" and ppl still saying it's still an issue and nothing was addressed further. Recent patch didn't nerfed characters that needed to be nerfed instead buffed some characters that really didn't need the buffs. I'm sorry but stopped enjoying Tekken and playing SF6, and I don't think I'm the only one too.
@38373145, I understand your frustration with the current state of the game. It's disappointing when fixes don't seem to address the core issues players are experiencing. Your feedback is valuable, and I hope the developers take note to make necessary adjustments. Switching to other games like SF6 is completely understandable if Tekken 8 isn't meeting your expectations right now. Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts.
Have them talk about how if you took the peaks (that are both 1 standard deviation away from the mean) and distributed them in true home of the bell curve middle portion. Then cut the remainder of the blue Fujin and put them after tekken king. You might start to see a normal curve.
Sooo Tekken 8 has league of legends matchmaking. I sure hope the Tekken community isn't making a bunch of content saying broken matchmaking is working "like it should."
