Fun fact: the blue team soldier at 6:02 most likely survived this ordeal, despite Neil's grimacing; we know this because it's clearly stated during the briefing that anyone who is not present at the landing zone at zero (i.e. where red team lands 10 minutes before the explosion) would not leave, thus ensuring the survival of everyone. It could be that they merely mean that their bodies must be present, so that they can potentially be dead, but I don't think so, and when you think about it with regards to this soldier in particular, there's actually almost no way she can be dead. We know that from the perspective of forward time, the explosion appears to suck her out of the wall as we see here, and then she is 100% fine and walks backwards to the blue team drop spot where all the blue soldiers are in perfect health. More interesting is to see it from backward time, which is what we see in the movie, where a reverse explosion pushes her from outside the building and into it. If she got stuck inside the wall while inverted, her fate would likely have been something like Neil's, i.e. that her body would have had to materialize at some point before the battle inside the wall, from whatever entropic dimension she ends up in (i.e. the same way people appear out of nowhere and vanish into nowhere in turnstiles, since they're essentially moving into and out of different timelines), but that means she would not be present at the landing zone, so that's ruled out as per Wheeler's briefing. All that being said, for all we know it's possible that this event caused her a lot of injury, but that this was considered acceptable, i.e. that she lost limbs or broke her spine, and so on; then, just as TP's stab wound, these injuries would gradually start to materialize as she got closer and closer to the event, e.g. limbs entropically vanishing into a different timeline, or spine breaking on its own (essentially also moving into a different timeline, and gradually being replaced with the broken spine from the timeline at the point of the explosion), and then suddenly being spontaneously healed as the explosion happens. Best case: she was pulled through the wall by that explosion but ended up completely unharmed. Not as great case: she was mangled in the process, but survived. Pretty bad case: dead bodies at the landing zone are acceptable, and she died. Worst case: Wheeler lied with impunity to assuage their fears because there was possibly no other way, and sent in people who were not present at the landing zone, meaning that she could have ended up stuck in the wall; this could range from not painful at all if she dies instantly, to excruciatingly painful as she is blended with the wall, and in this latter case, if there are infinite consciousnesses inhabiting the people at various stages of the timelines (this could be the case without any time inversion whatsoever, but even a single inversion seems to dictate that this is in fact the case, since a first-person consciousness is implied for both regular and inverted people), that would represent a whole lot of pain.
i'm an optimist so i'm hoping wheeler didn't send in anyone who didn't survive the battle also if you look closely you'll notice that there are actually two soldiers in that wall the first one was the one neil was talking to, and she got out of there safely, but when she peaces out, there's another soldier behind her back, this one is the one that gets the reverse-explosion but that soldier probably made it out alive too if we're considering the optimist route also the soldier that neil was talking to was probably wheeler, her eyes and eyebrows are the same (voice too but they're muffled by the helmets and screaming so there's no way to verify)
Guys it’s way too optimistic to think that someone can tank a wall forming on top of their body plus a massive compressive force trying to crush you into a tiny ball. The explosions shockwave is travelling forward through time so it exerts a compressive force on people moving backwards through time. That should be enough to basically liquify your organs if not compress you into a tiny ball of meat even if you wanna say she was lucky enough not to get pulverized by the wall. My intuition leads towards splat though.
@@folieadeux147: That's not how it works. An explosion traveling forward in time would exert a compressive force on itself and on anything that it ended up exploding in backwards time, but it wouldn't exert such a force on any object that didn't explode; an object that merely got pushed by the shockwave would not be compressed in backwards time, it would only be "sucked in", i.e. "vacuumed" to its appropriate position. As such, only an object that is visibly exploded already would get compressed back to its original state, and in this case that's only the wall and the projectile. The soldier was obviously not already in an exploded state, because you can see in forward time that they're intact. Thus, adding to my original answer, the worst case scenarios here aren't even possible: the soldier is perfectly fine both before and after the event, and the explosion is only vacuuming her out onto the other side due to her being inverted.
@@hoon_sol An explosion’s shockwave does a shitload of damage. It’s literally a huge wave of energy travelling outwards from the source faster than the speed of sound. It turns the atmosphere and random objects (shrapnel) into a weapon against you. You don’t just feel a push, it rips through you lol. Plus that was point-blank man. And that’s only if you somehow survive thousands of pounds of wall slamming into your very squishy body at high speed and rearranging you into wall paste. Prospects very grim, which is why people generally try not to get hit by those things in the movie. Getting hit point blank by a blast, regardless of what direction in time it’s going is intuitively always going to be fatal.
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Yeah, that's definitely a goof. You can also tell that scene was a clusterfuck to film, the actors are all actually running backwards so they're all looking over their shoulder to not trip up, no one wants to mess up because there's a huge, expensive, actual explosion going off behind them. Unfortunately that one actor did mess up and ran forward, production guys probably just thought screw it no one will notice.
Yeah I agree, as much as I love this movie, in all the chaos of people moving forward and backwards, inverted explosions and such, we don't get many of those classic shots of "good guy aims and shoots, cut to bad guy getting shot and falling down" to make it fully feel like a shootout is taking place.
I was annoyed by the same thing so decided to rewatch the whole sequence and counted out the enemies. There are definitely enough enemies to account for most of the shooting, although we shouldn’t have to rewatch a whole scene to look for the enemies
@@KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG They were filmed running backwards, along with the explosion exploding, so that when the movie was complete they put the scene there playing from the end of it to the start.
6:09 -- that effect should have looked like plain rocks rolling to a standstill in this version where time is flowing forward, it doesn't look right. Guess VFX felt the effect doesn't come through if they adhere to physics too much.
At 6:02 I still have actual trouble grasping what actually happens to those guys. The scene looks cool but no matter whether I watch it in inverted (like it is in the movie) or real time it still boggles my mind.
It seems like they were inverted, and didn't realize they were using a building as cover that had been blown up, so the reverse explosion trapped them inside.
@@TheJadedJames Right so, they're inverted, but the building is getting hit by a normal explosion... Which means that, -From a normal perspective: the wall explodes, and they reverse out of it (as seen here) until eventually they get back in their helicopter/container. -From their inverted perspective: the wall rebuilds with them inside of it. So they're either trapped inside, or, like, the wall quite literally reforms with them /inside/ of it (which is quite messed up to think about). I think the latter is what I was struggling to really understand with the changing perspectives and all.
@@Hakkar6993 The dynamics of inverted and non-inverted things interacting is kind of a headache. But when you are inverted, you experience reality and cause and effect around you happening backwards. When the Protagonist first stepped out of the turnstile in the freeway scene, he could see the effect of his footstep in a puddle before he finished taking the step, and all the weather around him was happening backwards. The inverted Tenet agents are experiencing reality backwards, so if they are standing in the aftermath of an explosion that in normal time ... has already a happened ... they could get caught in it similar to how someone uninverted would get hurt it they stood in a place where an explosion was eventually going to happen. If you are standing on a train, whether that train is going backwards or forwards on the track, if there is a bridge in the middle, and you stay on the train, it is going to hit you no matter what direction you come from. At least that is how I saw it
@@TheJadedJames That makes a lot of sense and it definitely helped to think of it that way. Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed comment!
@@TheJadedJames but still, because of their inverted entropy isn't the explosion supposed to freeze them as when the protagonist got hypothermia due to the car explosion?
The weird building Who actually build that ? In fact that building is never existed, I mean in past that building is not exist Also in future that building doesn't exist the building only exist 3 second
that's what I thought at first, but just like the bullet holes and the turnstiles, they just appear / disappear instantly. In reverse, the building would be blown up by blue team, then keeping going backwards and soon enough the building will one day magically be restored into a normal building. This is referenced to whenever someone goes into the turnstyles, they appear to have disappeared off the face of the earth, or how the bullets are seemingly just there since it was made. Like the quote in the movie "pissing in the wind", normal time flow always overpowers inverted time flow, so at a certain point in time, the inverted destroyed building would be overpowered by normal flow of time and the building would magically pop back into normal condition
@@SunsetChicken That is a very *weird* justification proposed, was it also in the film? although with certainty, you cannot logically explain so much of the *inverted & non-inverted interactions* without such a convenient logic of pseudo science for the purpose of telling a story. Although, TENET is an impressive and mind engaging film, but all these paradox of *continually* traveling into past of inverted things, are the main things that bothered me after watching the film. And these would not fit consistently into the normal understanding of cause and effect, in both inverted or normal cases.
@@kkb474 The point is that thats the only way to explain it, no matter if it's realistic or understandable. If you want to make sense of what and why then this is the only explanation for those paradoxes. In the end this is a time travel movie based on theories and speculation, none of this is real and Nolan is known to make audience speculate and what I provided was an answer. You can have your own as well but IMO my theory makes most sense to explain away the paradoxes
@@kkb474 Yeah, this is explained in the film. There's another really clear example when they are doing the car chase, the camera looks at the car side-view mirror and you see the cracks actually form on it. Then, much later, you see the inverted car scrape against the mirror and unbreak the mirror. But the mirror didn't start broken.
@Joosy Jay Someone said in the Tenet subreddit, it might be possible that the tenet organization collects these inverted items and then sets them up to be used for the upcoming event. So it might be the car they used during the heist was set up by Future Protaganist to do the heist.
Does anyone else notice that the guys in white suits literally (not figuratively) shoot at no one in that entire sequence? The guys on the "anti-air" emplacements have the guns turned completely in the wrong direction, none of the red or blue teams are hit during the rush at the beginning despite everyone being so shoulder to shoulder that they form an unbroken wall of people. Hell, you can't even say that they were wildly panic firing into the sky because neither side was firing while running.
I still can't understand it. If "what's happened has happened," what's the point of a temporal pincer? I'm still confused. The point of a temporal pincer is to learn from the past but if "what's happened has happened" and you can't change the past... I'm just so confused.
Whatever happened happened but 1that is not an excuse to do nothing and 2you can impact past events while inverted. Think of it like this an inverted person can take part in past events. Just like a forward person can take part in normal events an inverted person can UN do events. There is only one timeline but there is an ongoing battle between all sides. This battle happened but past and future can alter it. That's why it happened but it can change. I think of it like this because of inversion technology the past becomes as unknowable and open to alteration as the future.
The whole idea of a temporal pincer movement is so that the forward moving team can benefit from knowledge from the inverted team. The red team have lived through the battle already. You can see the inverted blue team arriving as the bomb is going off. But from the blue team's perspective the bomb is exploding in reverse, which means the blue team are about to live through the battle in reverse. Because they're going through the battle in reverse, they eventually end up with the red team BEFORE they have had the battle. Then they tell the red team how the battle will happen. With this knowledge, the red team now know exactly what to do.
You put yourself in the situation going both ways and be the kind of person such that the only events that can happen when you are present there are the ones you want
Ok if red is forward why are the effects happening before the cause shouldn’t that be on the blue side because blue is movie backwards reds movie forwards so time should flow normally is this a mistake or am I missing something?
The red team have already lived through the battle in forwards time flow. Here, the laws of physics apply and the cause comes before effect. You can see as the inverted blue team are arriving in their oxygen rich shipping containers, that they're arriving at the end of the battle. The bomb has already gone off. But from the inverted blue team's perspective, the effect is coming before the cause. The bomb is exploding in reverse. Which means they're about to live through the battle in reverse. Eventually, they will end up with the red team BEFORE the battle has taken place, telling the forward moving red team how the battle will play out.
at 2:26 how could the inverted antagonist had shot if he was taken out by red team? I mean in red time we see the damage being reverted, and then red team shoots at him. But in blue time, red team kills him with an inverted RPG and then he shoots at red team??? How?
The only possible explanation I can come up with is this: Blue time antagonist goes up the building and sets up an automatic RPG that will fire in 30 seconds. 25 seconds go by in blue time and he dies because of an inverted RPG, and then the RPG he had set up gets shot automatically. In red time, we see damage done by an inverted enemy RPG being undone. Then red team shoots their RPG, bringing back to life the antagonist who then unsets up (down? wtf) the automatic RPG, and then leaves the building.
Had a couple similar questions in the normal sequence. Like blue is going backyards right while red is forward? At one scene we see blue fire an AT to destroy a building, but shouldn't we see blue AT "catch " the rocket? While red fires normally? I liked this as we saw much more of blue flowing backwards than in the film *I think. Might need to rewatch. * so the whole temporal pincer movement made a whole lot better sense here.
Okay so why didn't Neil just shoot the enemy soldier before he planted the tripwire 🤔 He had plenty of time and the guy is standing out on the open Or is he unable or unwilling to because he knows he has to let the whole scenario play out
Because from Neil's perspective the soldier is actually disarming the tripwire and taking it with him in reverse flying away with the helicopter. From the soldier's perspective Neil unnoticed him and then walked away backwards.
I like this movie but because everything crosses over and just doesn't really make sense it kinda ruins it like too me it seems like it's just a movie to watch that looks cool but the more you think about it the less it makes sense but idk that might just be me lol
@@XxCloud124 It actually makes less sense the more you think about it. This movie is suggesting that Neil is just living life with a bullet in his head waiting foe it to be sucked out and into the Russian dude’s rifle. How does that make any sense?
@@bocusfocus9714 the movie acknowledges those kind of paradoxes when it talks about 'pissing into the wind' and the forwards slow of time being the dominant one. Neil isn't carrying a bullet through the WHOLE movie, the same way the PT's arm only starts to bleed gradually when he starts to get close to Oslo.
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The sequence is annoying to the point that there is no entertainment, even after watching it again and again. A movies real purpose is ti be liked and tenet is just unlikable, even watching it 3-4 times, because mr Nolan directed it, but he mad a mess of it this time.
What a pointless garbage movie. But decent action. Nothing will ever come even close to Inception, that was his masterpiece and ultimate limit he put on himself (his brother and him)
