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Tentacle Sync E: Overview and Timecode Demo 

Curtis Judd
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A couple of years ago, Tentacle Sync released their first timecode generator which was not only easy to use but also more affordable than other generators. Now they have released their next generator called the Sync E with wireless setup and monitoring from iOS or Android devices. Here we show how timecode can help simplify the process of capturing professional quality sound separate from the camera and easily and quickly syncing the sound to picture in post. We also look at the new features on the Sync E and how they make the process of shooting with timecode easier than ever.
Demonstration with many video and sound clips: • Tentacle Sync: Simplif...
Links to gear discussed and used to record this session:
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Tentacle Sync Sync E
B&H, Amazon: geni.us/GAB56B
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Sound Devices MixPre-10T Audio Recorder/Mixer
DVeStore: bit.ly/2hcRbFA
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Sennheiser MKH 8050 Supercardioid Boom Microphone
B&H: bhpho.to/2zozur3
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Tentacle Sync to BNC Bidirectional Timecode Cable
B&H: bhpho.to/2AxQKd2
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Tentacle Sync Cables for all other cameras
B&H: bhpho.to/2htnnF4
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Copyright 2017 by Curtis Judd
Ethics statement: Some of the links above are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links.

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@davesrecord-o-rama6465
@davesrecord-o-rama6465 6 лет назад
Hi Curtis. Thank you so much for these videos! I find them to be extremely helpful when it comes to choosing a new piece of gear.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Thanks Dave!
@TomAntos
@TomAntos 5 лет назад
Hi Curtis, do you know if this comes with the BNC timecode cable for the URSA or do you have to buy that separately?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Tom, good to hear from you! It comes with a 3.5mm cable only so you’ll need the 3.5mm to bnc. Got mine at B&H.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
This cable in particular: bhpho.to/2AxQKd2
@Tortorocuhtli
@Tortorocuhtli 5 лет назад
Thank you for this video. It was extraordinarily valuable. Do you have a patreon by any chance?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Thanks Matt! No Patreon but I do have online courses over at School.LearnLightAndSound.com
@mattstartsomething
@mattstartsomething 6 лет назад
my preferred timecode generator by far. bluetooth hype!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
👍
@BustaJackGolf
@BustaJackGolf 2 года назад
Great video! Is it possible to connect four different mic packs to one tentacle e plugging into a dslr?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
No, you’d just need a Tentacle for the audio recorder and each camera.
@timbeaton5045
@timbeaton5045 6 лет назад
Yep. Another excellent and informative vid from the Curtis Judd stable!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+Tim Beaton thank you!
@JerimiahGentry
@JerimiahGentry Год назад
Quick concise. No obnoxious music or unhelpful visuals. Excellent! I strive for this quality
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
Glad you liked it!
@ReggieResperREALTOR
@ReggieResperREALTOR 3 года назад
Hi Curtis, Will this work with a Sony A7s iii and Sony FX3? Do you recommend another product for my two cameras?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Hi Reggie, yes, it should work via the mic input.
@TalimaPictures
@TalimaPictures 6 лет назад
Been waiting for this video. Thanks Curtis!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
You are most welcome!
@ScottJWaldron
@ScottJWaldron 3 года назад
Great video! I've been trying to learn about what's out there to help with making external audio plus cameras viable. Pushing timecode into the audio port of a camera seems really smart. That new 32-bit lapel recorder and two of these plus cameras would be what I'd do. I was thinking of a piece of syncing software called Pluraleyes, but this seems smarter and more consistent in practice (though more things to carry and charge when making content). Looks like the kit would be around $900 with coldshoe mounts, ouch!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks Scott. Pluraleyes can be a good workflow IF you capture quality scratch audio on the camera. For narrative films, I'll usually use the Tentacle Sync Es but for less complex projects like RU-vid videos, I just clap and then sync using FCPX's sync feature.
@ScottJWaldron
@ScottJWaldron 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the info! I'll probably go with these devices once I can manage the expense. Sometimes I have 4 cameras with a lapel/recorder rolling so finding a consistent solution feels valuable (often outdoors so good scratch is rare). I use Magix Vegas Pro 18 and sadly their new auto sync feature is kind of useless right now.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
@@ScottJWaldron 👍
@LockyourHubs4WDing
@LockyourHubs4WDing 2 года назад
G'day Curtis, great review. I'm using a splitter to record LTC to the left channel and audio to the right going into a rx0 ii. The window's "Tenticle Timecode Tool" reads the LTC fine and writes the timecode to the metadata. It also mutes the timecode audio on the left channel as well. So I'm having to manually change the right side audio to both channels in prem pro when editing. Not having a Mac, does Tentacle Sync Studio fix this issue and place the scratch audio/splitter audio onto both channels?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
I don’t know but can check next time I run a scenario like that. But I’m curious, why keep the camera audio at all if the timecode works? Most consider the scratch audio from the camera a backup in case the timecode settings are bad or some other problem arises.
@XanderEwald
@XanderEwald 3 года назад
Hands down the single best upgrade I ever added to my setup. Shooting simultaneously with 3 cameras and 4 tracks of audio, and syncing only takes a few seconds now.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Definitely for multi-cam shoots. Happy syncing!
@fuglbird
@fuglbird 3 года назад
Very useful. Thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
👍
@kazisaud
@kazisaud 6 лет назад
Perfect timing, just ordered a pair from B&H
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
👍
@edwinlu381
@edwinlu381 3 года назад
Hi Curtis, another great video! I have taken your online course already, nice one. I have a question that I have tried different ways couldn't find a good solution. When I was using Sync E to Gh5s, the Left audio channel was timecode and worked well. However the Right channel(Syne E microphone) recorded not only scratch audio but also a little bit timecode sound. Have you met this problem before? or I just did something wrong? Thank you!!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Hi, unfortunately, this is not too uncommon. This is called crosstalk and sometimes happens, especially in consumer grade cameras. But it could possibly be the cable as well. You probably did NOT do anything wrong!
@edwinlu381
@edwinlu381 3 года назад
Ok Got it. Thank you for your reply!
@ChrisFrancis
@ChrisFrancis 6 лет назад
Hey Curtis, Would you be able to sync the timecode that was sent to the GH5 with the timecode from the audio recorder without using the Tentacle software? Would Adobe Premiere be able to figure it out with its syncing options? I'd be nervous about DP'ing a shoot where I'm shooting and handing over cards at the end of the day & the editor not being able to figure it out syncing if they don't have the Tentacle software.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
There are a few options. On the GH5, there is NOT a dedicated timecode input so the timecode is recorded via the microphone input as audio. So software needs to read the audio track and convert it to file timecode. Here are the options of which I am aware: 1) Editor can buy Tentacle Sync Studio. Can purchase a license or it is bundled with any of the tentacle hardware 2) Avid Media Composer can read audio timecode and convert it to file timecode and sync audio and picture. 3) DaVinci Resolve can read audio timecode and convert it to file timecode, but it isn't always great with the GH5 because the GH5 sometimes does not begin audio recording for a few frames which confuses Resolve. It only works about 50% of the time in my tests. Hopefully Blackmagic Design fixes this issue with Resolve soon. 4) Sound mixer on set could gather all of the footage and audio clips then use Tentacle Sync Studio to create an XML to pass on to the editor along with the synced files. Takes around 20 minutes at the end of a production day on a reasonably capable MacBook.
@ChrisFrancis
@ChrisFrancis 6 лет назад
Thanks for the detailed reply Curtis - super helpful!
@Muwex
@Muwex 6 лет назад
Wow, i will wait until they come more cheaper or i just get paid way more so this would fit my budget. For now i just have to deal with clap and sync myself or use that program/plugin which name i have forgot already...
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Yes, totally agree. Timecode still comes at a price, but fortunately the price is now not nearly as steep as it used to be.
@JamesMatthewGallagher
@JamesMatthewGallagher 6 лет назад
For $520 I think I'd rather sync up the files manually.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Ok. Not a problem for pieces with a few clips. This is mainly when you have a LOT of clips where manual syncing could take many hours. Then the price makes more sense.
@davidokuda2386
@davidokuda2386 6 лет назад
It's good when you're at the beach with 4 cameras and they're not getting sound because the cameras are so far away from the subject.
@cmdr.shepard
@cmdr.shepard 5 лет назад
A like-new BMPCC is around 500 and has a lot more chip than this. I don't have a few clips - a hundred maybe, but it doesn't matter if you can't afford it.
@FranklynGrant
@FranklynGrant 4 года назад
Curtis is the freaking best!!!!!,.... Please ignore the 13 thumbs down,... Those people have a tape deck in one hand and a polaroid camera in the other hand
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hahaha! Thanks Franklyn.
@jaggeryhillscelluloid6740
@jaggeryhillscelluloid6740 Год назад
why did you sync using AUDIO instead of TIMECODE?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
I converted the timecode recorded to the GH5 (which does NOT have a timecode input) to meta data timecode. Then everything sync'd via timecode.
@jaggeryhillscelluloid6740
@jaggeryhillscelluloid6740 Год назад
@@curtisjudd Thank you
@antoniusvandermeijde5351
@antoniusvandermeijde5351 3 года назад
well done again Curtis, can you also review the Zoom F2
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Yes, I've got one on order. Thanks!
@antoniusvandermeijde5351
@antoniusvandermeijde5351 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd thanks
@kipling1957
@kipling1957 2 года назад
I'm trying to get everything clear before I purchase two tentacles to use with two cams and a SD 633 --hopefully to improve my workflow with Multicam scenarios. I understood most of your explanation, just a couple of quick questions: When you synced in FCPX, does Final Cut use the embedded time code or audio to do the sync, hopefully, the latter. Also, what happened to the SD audio track? Does each clip after processing by the Tentacle software now have a copy of the WAV file from the Sound Devices recorder also embedded, ready to be selected in Multicam? Thanks for any guidance, Curtis!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
It depends on the camera. If you have a camera with a dedicated timecode input, then you can just import the video and audio clips into FCPX and sync them there. If you use a camera where it only has an audio/mic input, you have to first run the video clips through the tentacle app to convert the audio to timecode. Then you can sync in FCP or in the Tentacle app. You can embed the SD track into the video clips if you want to do it that way. Usually, though, I just have the Tentacle app create an XML file, open that in FCP and everything is synced an ready to go.
@kipling1957
@kipling1957 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd Perfect, and appreciate you taking the time to answer that. I'm a "veteran" C100 MKII user, so no inbuilt time code. I agree, the second XML file > Final Cut route seems the way to go. Thanks, Curtis!
@guinwon4464
@guinwon4464 6 лет назад
Hi Curtis, thanks once again for your review. You seem to always have the answers I'm looking for. I like how you go into detail about how things work and what they are capable of as well as showing us how to do it as well. I was wondering if you would be able to give a tutorial/demo about how to use lectrosonic SR duel receiver with lectrosonic transmitters. at this time I've just been using Sennheiser G3 wireless systems and am looking to learn more about what the next step might be! Thanks again for your time and videos!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hi Guin, I have Lectrosonics wireless on the list to add to my kit. Will definitely cover them once I am able. Thanks!
@AJCoReTV
@AJCoReTV 2 года назад
Would this be beneficial if using 2 cameras & only 1 mic that is already plugged into A cam 3.5mm Jack?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
No, you'd need that input for one of the timecode generators. Makes more sense when you're recording with a dedicated audio recorder.
@fergus.hammond
@fergus.hammond 6 лет назад
Based on your knowledge of both, which would pick: the NanoLockit or the Tentacle Sync E?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Tentacle Sync E
@globofonia
@globofonia 5 лет назад
Hola Judd! I’ll have a documentary shooting for 5 days. I have an F8n and DP is gonna shoot with a dslr canon. My question is, since the f8n has a tc generator, can i use just one tentacle connected to the camera or should I have two, the second one connected to my f8n? Thanks in advance!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Leonardo, you'll just need one for the camera. Best of luck on your shoot!
@globofonia
@globofonia 5 лет назад
Curtis Judd you are awsome!!! Thanks!!!
@film-manufaktur
@film-manufaktur 4 года назад
Dear Curtis, after having to much trouble with unsynced clips, I will make a step forward into Timecodegenerators. Have you any experience with using the Tentacles with the DMW-XLR1E for the GH5/GH5s and the S-Series? I would like to use the Tentacle on one track and my NTG-3 on the other channel. I am not sure, if this could work. Kind Regards from Germany Bye the way: You Videos are such an inspiration for my work as a wedding filmer. Since I watch your channel, my results have become better an better.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi and thanks! I haven't used timecode with the XLR1E, but it should work. My only concern would be the potential for the timecode signal on one channel to bleed over into the other channel. If you can buy from a retailer which will accept returns, you could test that before committing. Best wishes!
@film-manufaktur
@film-manufaktur 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd I will test it out. I you wish, I could share my experience. One of the big advantages of my Panasonic S1, GH5, Gh5s is the possibility to use XLR with this adapter. For me as a wedding filmer, it is absolutely useful to catch great Audio. For the Ceremony I regularly use the Zoom F8. Syncing in Post with Plural Eyes is a good way, but the shorter Sequences are often a problem to sync. Best wishes from Germany
@film-manufaktur
@film-manufaktur 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Hello Curtis, there is a way to make things working. In the Tentacleshop there is a special cable for connecting the Tentacle to XLR. This is exactly the way, I want to use it. Kind Regards Dieter
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
@@film-manufaktur Excellent! Looking forward to hearing how it goes. Best wishes!
@film-manufaktur
@film-manufaktur 4 года назад
@@curtisjuddDear Curtis, I get my tentacles. Cologne is only 80 Km away from my hometown. With the XLR Adapter from Tentacle, you only get the Timecodeaudio. The Microphone-chanel doesn`t mix with the Timecodesignal. Also interesting: You can split the Timecodesignal with an XLR-Y cable from the Tentacle and transfer ist to two different cameras. I have tried it successfull to a Zoom F8 and a Gh5. The Zoom F8 and the tentacles drift within 24 hours only one frame. This is also for my workflow very nice. Best wishes from Germany. Dieter
@DavidBlodgett
@DavidBlodgett 2 года назад
If I have a tentacle connected to each of my recording devices over a multiple day shoot, do I have the freedom to turn all my recording devices on and off to conserve battery when not shooting and not effect the time code? Or do I have to re-sync the timecode on each recording device every time im going to turn on a camera and start recording?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
As long as the recording devices are configured to receive external timecode, no, you should just be able to turn them back on when ready to record.
@dab7963
@dab7963 4 года назад
Nice video. I bought a MixPre 3 and I am using a Nikon Z6. If I don't want to teather and hard wire the Mixpre 3 to the camera can I just buy 1 Tentacle and plug the Tentacle into the MixPre 3 to get time and then disconnect it and plug it into the mic input of my Nikon Z6? My Z6 can export timecode via HDMI. When I use my Atomos I can sync everything without a Tentacle but need to keep everything hard wired together. I am trying to sync without having to hard wire the Mixpre to the camera I want to be able to carry the Mixpre 3 in a separate bag and not have to hard wire it to the camera. Thanks
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Yes, that should work but feeding audio timecode into the Z6’s mic input will not be converted by the camera, it will still just be an audio signal until you get to post production.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 5 лет назад
Great, clear explanation of time code. Something that's kind of hard to fing with this level of gear (i.e. indie filmmakers). Another winning video.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Thanks Scott!
@BogdanWeiss
@BogdanWeiss 6 лет назад
insightful review again - thanX :-) I am wondering whether you have thought about comparing sound quality on some of your Sound Devices machines when fed with a Sync E or the nanolockit vs the internal clock ? In audio it is actually the phase noise of the time generator that is more important than the "absolute" frequency accuracy to reduce jitter audibility - as low as 0.5pico second phase noise IS audible ( ! ) this is why an audio DAC with a highly accurate crystal clock (these calibrated ultra low phase noise crystals will set you back $300 $400 each so you only see them in top end or DIY audio DAC's ) can have lower phase noise than even an atomic clock source ( which is seen in many studios as the ultimate smpte jitter weapon when connecting multiple DAC's in a studio environment ) You should be able to hear an audible difference with decent monitoring gear & the Focal's that I see should be good enough to do that.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hi Bogdan, I hadn't considered that, very good insight. I am not familiar with ways to measure jitter but would like to do a bit of research to see what kind of possibilities there would be for an episode to cover this. Thanks!
@BogdanWeiss
@BogdanWeiss 6 лет назад
Hi Curtis, it appears like one could do multiple PHd's on jitter alone - I would run it past say the Tentacle engineers - who would have had to think about all of this when designing & debugging their kit.... in an audio recording scenario, lowered jitter is most easily audible when recording high frequency signals like triangles & wind instruments, stuff like acoustic space & spatial cues "lock in" & form stable images - respresentative of their physical size/scale/localisation - decay tails on transients get cleaner & more lifelike jitter measurements require the ownership or rental of some pretty high end gear ( $20-30K+ starting territory for a high end scope that needs to have a considerably lower level of jitter in order to meaningfully resolve the performance of the Device Under Test - say you wanted to test 6-12 networked devices over time & with drifting temperature to simulate field performance & you could be looking at ++$100K in measuring kit..) & here we have to deal with jitter in multiple devices & separate audio & video feeds @ an electrical & protocol level - with an additional slave/master software control layer - jitter in audio ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yoKqnBJN8iQ.html jitter's audible effect ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZT_1UATci3c.html I'll speak to someone who knows a lot more than me on this & I'll get back to you ;-)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Thank you Bogdan.
@BogdanWeiss
@BogdanWeiss 6 лет назад
I wish I could bring a bit more clarity to the conversation - the fact that these gadgets are able to bring SMPTE feautures into devices that were never originally designed to have them is impressive enough + integrating the extra metadata into existing editing suites etc.... I'm pretty sure Sync E uses a VCO ( voltage controlled oscilator - crystals use a lot more power) that's how they get the long battery life + the Bluetooth monitoring... there's a lot going on in these devices & they have a long product life-cycle - thanks for all your insightful reviews :-)
@CaptainShorif
@CaptainShorif 2 года назад
Great video as always Curtis! A couple questions, Do you have to use the tentacle sync software to sync? Would you be able to just import all files to Premiere then sync via timecode?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
It depends on whether your camera has a dedicated timecode input or not. If you run the tentacle into an audio input, you will need to convert that audio to timecode. You can do that with the Tentacle software. Sometimes DaVinci Resolve will do it but it isn't as reliable for me.
@thenolashdemon
@thenolashdemon 4 года назад
I have a few questions. What kind of cable will you need to sync it to a smart slate and what cable to connect to one of your channels? Also, do you know which cable to plug the card to an Alexa mini?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi LaRana nation. It depends on the slate. I believe the Denecke DCode slate uses a 5-pin lemo. It appears that the Alexa Mini also uses a lemo cable, details here: tentaclesync.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004210445-Arri-Alexa-Mini-and-Tentacle-Sync-Workflow
@TheGeoDaddy
@TheGeoDaddy 4 года назад
Sorry, I asked this question before (and can’t find the answer) bought the Zoom F4 and the Two Tentacle Syncs... one goes into the F4 and the other goes into my Nikon Z6 mic - to generate a more accurate Time Code (Gerald and You mentioned some quirky connection issue?) but I need to connect the Z6 to my Atomos Ninja V recorder to get ProRes RAW... Nikon says to set the Time Code to the (in accurate) Z6 - so i assume the Nina picks up the Time Code from the Z6 as the Video is being written to the Ninja... Won’t the - more accurate - F4 / Tentacled Audio being created for the Z6’s Left channel be outta sync with the HDMI video/audio being transferred to the Ninja based on the Z6 clock???
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi George, that'll require some testing to confirm. However, if you feed the tentacle to the Z6's mic input, it should be in sync. You will ignore the Z6's and ATOMOS's timecode. Hope that helps!
@lorageproductions
@lorageproductions Год назад
Hi Curtis, for the Panasonic DVX 200 and Zoom F6 Recorder. what connector do I use? Also If I'm using the recorder with lavalier mics and want to synch that sound with my footage from my DVX is it a difficult process. Thank you so much. We have purchased equipment that you demonstrated because you make things easy to understand.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 11 месяцев назад
For the DVX200 there is a BNC timecode input. So you'll need a 3.5mm TRS to BNC cable for that. Then for the F6, you should be able to use the included 3.5mm cable.
@charlesvoiceoverdotcom7266
@charlesvoiceoverdotcom7266 4 года назад
Hi Curtis, to your knowledge, should one choose to record a video using an iPhone, would it accept a mic-level signal from the Tentacle Sync in the headphone jack? Would a TRS 3.5mm cable be sufficient to carry the TC audio signal and burn it to the left channel of the video recording or would a TRRS be necessary? Have you tried to test this?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Charles, phones only record mono via their 3.5mm inputs (or in the case of iPhone via its 3.5mm to lightning adapter). So a TRS to TRRS from the tentacle to phone should record the timecode but no scratch audio. Also note that phones have notoriously unreliable real-time clocks when it comes to video recording so with timecode the start of the video will be in sync with the separately recorded audio, the camera will drift quite quickly. This is not a problem if you're shooting short clips, but I've even found clips at 5 minutes are already drifting on many phones. Best wishes!
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 5 лет назад
One thing that pops into mind: why not have a 1/2 female thread on the sync-e to attach to a rig? My small Zooms do. Velco seems...low tech.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Good idea, thanks Scott.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 5 лет назад
I mean 1/4 of course!
@Tommy-ej9jd
@Tommy-ej9jd 5 лет назад
OK, can somebody tell me why export XML over the media tab or vice versa?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Joy Joy, The XML export provides a head start on the edit by laying out all of the synced video clips on a timeline in temporal order. The media export is useful for situations where you may be the audio recordist and need to give the director files that are already synced. In many cases, they prefer to have the media already synced at the file level. Best wishes!
@ThePstyron
@ThePstyron Год назад
If I'm recording in a studio, is there a benefit to using this process over simply recording a scratch audio track on my cameras and selecting "sync to audio" in my NLE program? That's how I'm doing it now and it seems pretty simple.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
I do the same as you for RU-vid videos. When I work on a narrative or commercial piece with lots of takes, that’s when timecode is helpful.
@clickredeye
@clickredeye 2 года назад
Hi Curtis. Great video. Thank you. I am right that if I jam-sync a timecode from the Sync E to my Sony FX6, then I don't need to keep a Sync E connected to the camera? Thanks. Gary
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
No, if you want accurate sync in post, cameras always need to have a timecode box attached to them throughout the entire shoot. If you just need to get in the general ballpark and are ok manually precision syncing each clip, then that should work ok.
@padkirsch
@padkirsch 4 года назад
Probably one of the best and clearest tutorials I've ever seen. Honestly I wish this guy did every tutorial! ✅💟👍💯
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@antoineholliday7631
@antoineholliday7631 3 года назад
Is there a way to sync clips, without tentacle sync studio, if you record timecode a DSLR? I know I could just sync it with a slate from the right channel, but I would rather use timecode.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
BlackMagic DaVinci Resolve can convert and sync timecode recorded to an audio input. Avid Media Composer can as well. But I've found the Resolve functionality to be a little bit unreliable.
@zagorcuk1966
@zagorcuk1966 3 года назад
Do I understand correctly that on a camera without time-code, like the A7S3 / FX3, one has to sacrifice an audio channel to record time-code? Or does it work differently?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
You understand correctly.
@lifeingeneral9111
@lifeingeneral9111 5 лет назад
why do we continue to use the silly fractionalized frame rates? I'm about the only person that knows why it started but it could have ended in the late fifties then it could have ended in 2000 with high def but no it still persists. please stop this silly madness and just shoot 24 or 30 and get your heads out of rectal defilade: at least move into the sixties for god sakes.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Ok, thanks for sharing.
@JWC9426
@JWC9426 2 года назад
Hi i have some question about frame rate i'm work with sony fx9 and we usually rec 60fps which frame rate should i choose on Tentacle ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Unfortunately, the SMPTE timecode standard does not support frame rates higher than 30 FPS. You might try 30 to see if it can at least get you into the ballpark.
@lougonzmart9466
@lougonzmart9466 3 года назад
Curtis, In TASCAM DR40 how could syncronize audio with a DSRL with no Mike in but USB slot?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Unfortunately you'd need to use one of the mic inputs to record timecode. Better yet, I'd just use a clapper board and sync in post with your editing app or invest in Pluraleyes.
@18yearsoldnot
@18yearsoldnot Год назад
Hi! Some of my files will add up to 2TB so I really don’t want to import into tentacle sync studio. Should I give up?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
Why not import? The app is quite fast.
@florinG
@florinG 4 года назад
Nice video, But dang the timecode devices don't come cheap ....about 500 for the pair quess I'm just gonna have to stick manual sync.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Manual sync is a rite of passage. It is not bad. 😀
@f2f.photography
@f2f.photography 9 месяцев назад
Any idea how to factory reset the Tentacle Sync E? Mine won't power on anymore and I just got it today.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 9 месяцев назад
Not sure, but Tentacle support should be able to help.
@OldGymnastVideo
@OldGymnastVideo 2 года назад
Thank you Curtis, your videos are awesome. I'm using the Track E with a GH5 and typically use the XLR Mod on top. So if I wanna TC Sync I'll basically lose channel 1? I've used a Sync E on other cameras and once we Jam them they can be removed.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
That's correct. On other cameras where you jam sync, that can work, but most cameras drift rather quickly - within about 30 minutes. So if you want perfect sync, it is usually best to keep the timecode generator connected to the camera through the entire filming session.
@OldGymnastVideo
@OldGymnastVideo 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd any experience getting them to work with a Tascam DR-70D? I have the 1/8", XLR and SDI connectors for them.
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions 2 года назад
@@OldGymnastVideo I haven't specifically used the Sync E with the 70D but should work just fine. 👍
@Lexington101
@Lexington101 3 года назад
A year later, I began using 1 sync E with a 1/8" splitter. It works great.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
👍 Happy syncing!
@mattyrossfilms
@mattyrossfilms 2 года назад
Hey Mick can you tell me more about your setup? Am intrigued to know about this splitter
@AJCoReTV
@AJCoReTV 2 года назад
@@mattyrossfilms 2nd this
@LivingSpiritism
@LivingSpiritism 6 лет назад
Just got my Tentacle Sync E in the mail today. I was actually surprised at how tiny it is! I was not prepared for that. I haven't recorded with it yet, but after maybe 2 minutes I figured out how to sync both units with my MixPre-10T. It's so simple. I'm really looking forward to recording the next multicamera shoot. Thanks Curtis!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Congrats on the Tentacles! You're probably already planning this but you might test ahead of time to work out any kinks and you should be good to go and have a smoother post workflow!
@LivingSpiritism
@LivingSpiritism 6 лет назад
Curtis Judd definitely! I even want to try cheating... See if I can feed a third camera timecode from the headphone output from the other... Not ideal, but I want to see if it will work in a pinch
@alexanderaudio8383
@alexanderaudio8383 3 года назад
Can we still jam timecode with the E's like the original Tentacles without having to keep the tentacles connected to each device?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Timecode boxes still need to be attached to cameras throughout the entire shoot.
@florizonefilm
@florizonefilm Год назад
Great video, thanks! Might sound redundant but I'd like to connect a tentacle sync E to my Denecke TS-C slate. Do you think a standard 1/4" to 1/8" cable will work, or do you feel I'd need a specialized cable?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
Check the pin out diagrams which both DEITY and Denecke supply.
@florizonefilm
@florizonefilm Год назад
@@curtisjudd I think I have a choice of a 5 pin lemo or 1/4” jack. Thanks!
@rprokopiak95
@rprokopiak95 4 года назад
I can't get it, still after watching... if i have 2 DSLRs and audio recorder, how i can sync 2 cameras and (eg.) ZOOM? I should have set of 3 TC generators, not 2 (as they sell it). Am I correct? Or in set of 2 i can only connect to either 1 DSLR and audio recorder or 1 for each DSLR.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Which ZOOM recorder do you have? If you have an F4 or F8, you just need 2 generators. If you have a ZOOM H recorder, than you also need one for the recorder, a total of 3.
@rprokopiak95
@rprokopiak95 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd ZOOM H4n, thank you for fast respond. That's what I meant. So I need total of 3x. Thank you.
@robertsimon5059
@robertsimon5059 6 лет назад
Another very informative video, as usual. Merci (from Paris, France)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Merci Robert!
@manmadewilderness
@manmadewilderness 6 лет назад
Nicely done, Curtis, as always. But I think you should point out to viewers that Time Code doesn't sync multiple cameras over long periods of time. This is more accurately done by Genlock, which Ambient and Timecode Systems can provide. I believe Time Code is intended to sync one sound recorder with one camera, hence the two device package from Tentacle Sync and other manufacturers.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Thanks Kent, good point regarding Genlock. I do find timecode good for clips up to about 20 minutes and with multiple cameras. But once you go much longer than that, I agree, Genlock is the technology needed. Could be a good topic for a future episode. Thanks!
@manmadewilderness
@manmadewilderness 6 лет назад
Just rewatched your vid on the Ambient Nanolockit. The Tentacle Sync E is still a little less expensive. Any thoughts on usability differences?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
I find the ability to change settings and monitor via the bluetooth app more important than wirelessly syncing Lockits. That may be a subjective matter, but in that light, I prefer the Sync E. Others might be more committed to wireless sync capabilities.
@dtlastraightahead2133
@dtlastraightahead2133 6 лет назад
so for an hour set with 2 cameras maybe 3 Tenacle E may not be so reliable? using a SD mixpre 10T
@KingfisherTalkingPictures
@KingfisherTalkingPictures Год назад
You say it is “aggressively priced.” Does that mean more or less expensive?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
Less expensive.
@LeoMahoney70
@LeoMahoney70 5 лет назад
I set the TC the other way around. I jam the SD 633 from the Tentacle instead of the 633 being the master clock. Then I sync the other Tentacles off the same box that jammed the mixer. Works fine, not sure if there is any drawback syncing this way.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
That's a fine way to do it as well. In fact, if you have a Sync E you can leave attached to the 633 as the master clock, you can wirelessly re-jam all of the Sync Es at any time during the shoot and the 633 will be re-jammed as well.
@rMr.big13
@rMr.big13 Год назад
Can this Tentacle sync, sync with the zoom F3 via bluetooth?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
No, unfortunately it cannot.
@Lexington101
@Lexington101 4 года назад
Here's the rub... I want to record my Audio in 32 Bit Float which I first need to open in Adobe Audition so I can export it in 24 bit in order to open it in Davinci Resolve. How does this fit into the workflow? Also, Can I export the XML file into Davinchi Resolve?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Mick, good news, Resolve 16.2 can read 32-bit float audio. Its only limitation is that the waveforms are rendered in the edit and firelight UI incorrectly. It is actually processing it all correctly so that's good news. I don't edit in Resolve, but I see that it has an XML import feature, and it appears to support Final Cut Pro X and 7 XML formats. You'll want to test that to confirm it works ok before embarking on a big project, but it looks promising. Best wishes!
@chabbb
@chabbb 4 года назад
It is true that on a shoot, the use of the Tentacle Set is very easy and efficient. On the other hand, it is extremely common that the synchronization of video and audio rushes is carried out by an image editor or within a production company. As a sound engineer I never recover the video rushes, and so it's never me, the sound engineer, who does this synchronization. The fact that the Tentacle Sync Studio software requires a limited license (or the presence of a tentacle set plugged into a USB port) to function, no image editor or production acquires this license because they do not need the Tentacle Set in their workflow. Thus, in a professional workflow, nobody takes advantage of this synchronization software, video editors use the functions built into Avid, FCPX or Premiere to synchronize. I say it very clearly, the Tentacle sync Studio licensing policy is ineffective, unnecessary, stupid. How is their commercial policy to give this software away for free? This would not at all preclude the need for sound engineers or freelance videographers to purchase Tentacle sets. For example, Sound Device provides free Wave Agent software to manage metadata of sounds recorded with their recorder. It's smart and it doesn't prevent having to buy their recorders. They have already replied that no one else has found fault with this policy, but I repeat it clearly and with a solid experience now, few actors of the pro video sector use Tentacle Sync Studio because of this restriction, so few production companies know the Tentacle brand and benefit from the advantages it offers. Thank you
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
On a set where they’re using a proper cinema camera, the camera typically has a timecode input so there is no need to use Tentacle Sync Studio to convert the audio timecode to metadata timecode. Any NLE can sync that footage with audio from a recorder with a timecode metadata stamp. But to your point, this becomes far more troublesome when working on a production which uses consumer cameras without timecode inputs. I’m not sure what their business model needs to be to stay in business, but I see your frustration for those productions with consumers cameras.
@terrywoolf5320
@terrywoolf5320 2 года назад
Hi Curtis, great stuff as usual. it s so nice to have you out there supporting all of us. I have one question regarding the tentacle or I guess any sync box system. If you shut off the camera but leave the sync box on do you have to re-jam when you turn the camera back on. My feeling is the camera should just pick up the sync automatically but I need to be sure. Thanks Terry Woolf, Western Arctic Moving Pictures.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
That's correct, Terry. As long as you leave the sync box on, no need to rejam.
@TheOneMonk
@TheOneMonk 4 года назад
So this mean I cannot record audio on the camera that is synced by Tentacle E through mic in, even when using somethinfüg like the Pana XLR adapter on the GH5 ? Thx
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Correct. But when you plug the Tenatacle Sync E into the camera microphone input, timecode is recorded to the left channel and the microphone on the Sync E records scratch audio to the right channel in the video clips.
@bozoleclown7851
@bozoleclown7851 4 года назад
I have been using Tentacles for a long time as a sound engineer. I have 4 that I can put on all kinds of audio or video recorders and feed all these little people with the same TC. Great.The issue is that as a sound engineer, it's very often not me who syncs all this, it's more of a videographer, or an image editor, or his assistant, or someone in a production.But all these people generally haven't invested in the Tentacle system, so they don't have the "Tentacle Sync Studio" software that allows all of this to be synchronized. Because to have the software, you have to buy a license (149 €), or buy a Tentacle box that will serve as a Dongle to authorize the software.So it is quite rare that the time saving and the potential precision of this workflow is used to the full in a pro setup with sound engineers and cameramen on set and other people in post production.People in post production tend to use TC's sync tools built into their image editing software (Avid, FCPX, Premiere, DaVinci ...) which work quite well, but often do not offer the speed, flexibility and simplicity of "Tentacle Sync Studio".And that's a shame, because we're not optimizing.Me, it's been years that I annoy the staff of Tentacle so that they understand that the workflow they propose could be perfect but that it has a plug, a wall, and that they should intelligently and commercially give this software for free, as do other firms that sell hardware and associated software. (SoundDevice for instance)It is because I notice that many editors, videographer, podcaster, production company do not want to invest 149 € in "Tentacle Sync Studio", often out of laziness, or for fear of changing their habits, that the interest of using CT everywhere is reduced, or even unnecessary. I even see videographers who prefer to use the internal clocks of their cameras and my magneto to do the sync by performing a manual sync of these clocks (3, 2, 1, Top) I don't know if you see the lack of precision that it generates. Pffff ...Either the post production department would have to invest 149 € in "Tentacle Sync Studio", or Tentacle should allow it to be used for free (or cheaper, like 20 €).I said.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
You don't have to leave the same comment multiple times. Thanks for the insights.
@geraldhartley
@geraldhartley 6 лет назад
Got my new set yesterday. Thanks for the demo that sold me on them.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
👍 Happy syncing!
@javebjorkman
@javebjorkman 3 года назад
Can the MixPre 6 II generate time code like the 10T?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Yes.
@POLARICED
@POLARICED 3 года назад
Would this system work great even with multiple broadcast cameras? I've lost count on how many times TC was a mess since we use broadcast cameras, fs7's and mirrorless cams on gimbals. A nightmare
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Hmm, it should - I’ve used it with an FS5, Ursa Mini Pro, and others without a problem.
@danniv13
@danniv13 4 года назад
Could you do a video overview using the UltraSync One and a MixPre 10II? Can not express hot greatly appreciative I and probably many others would be. It's a video that does not exist anywhere. Points of coverage: Changing the frame rate on the UltraSync to match the MixPre and jamming the UltraSync with the 10II being the master. And going through the menu and functionally of the UltraSync One. I realize you have your video of the Pulse and SyncBac Pro, but navigating on the USOne is confusing. It seems like videos only show using the Pulse as a master (which I don not own) and never a scenario of only having USOnes and a Sound Devices mixer. Namely the 10. Thank you.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Danni. I'll see what I can do, will add it to the list. Is there a particular part of the jam sync process which isn't working for you?
@danniv13
@danniv13 4 года назад
I did figure out what mode to receive timecode from the MixPre after all but it would be nice to see an in depth look at the functionalities and navigating through it. There a lot of unfamiliar terminology written in acronyms when you navigate. The manual is pretty dense and not so easy to look up exactly what matches the questions in my mind. It also reverts back to the buttons needing to be unlocked. They don't seem to stay in unlock mode. Just hard to find particular info on these at times. Also to show doing the reverse by having the USOne be the master of the MixPre and jamming it instead. Also taking the USOne slave that has inherited the timecode and jamming it into the variety of camera that you have. But again, doing a video alongside the MixPre 10 II showing all the options of using them together doesn't exist. Thank you.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Ok, I’ll need to spend some time re-acquainting myself with the UltraSync when I get some time 😀
@danniv13
@danniv13 4 года назад
Of course and thank you. I'm very impressed with your fast responses. I'm sure you have a lot of viewers to keep up with.
@anthonyleetanner4930
@anthonyleetanner4930 5 лет назад
I’m looking to get into legal deposition recording that requires a baked in time stamp on the footage. Can this product do that with my C100mkii or 80D?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Anthony. It would be up to the camera to burn in timecode and I don’t believe I know of any that do this. However, you can do this in post production with most editing apps: Final Cut Pro X and Premiere Pro and DaVinci Resolve.
@902MediaUK
@902MediaUK 3 года назад
Hey Curtis, great vid as always. I got exited about this device and then I came across the Zoom F2 field recorder BT. and the zoom is just about half the price of the Tentacle Sync E. Would you do a comparison of the two? here is the zoom F2 video from zoom ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2sLgwWBO8ds.html
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Hi nineZEROtwo, I assume you're talking about the Tentacle Track E recorder? Yes, I have a Track E in the house and an F2BT on preorder. Will be covering both.
@902MediaUK
@902MediaUK 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd yeah the Tentacles track E recorder is the one I meant. Would be really good to see them head to head but with the price point of the Zoom F2, the zoom might just be the favourite for many, I think. Thanks for the reply 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
@esunayg
@esunayg 6 лет назад
280$ but it doesn't check time between via Bluetooth? I should start building for 50$ way better than this :/
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
It doesn't sync via bluetooth but it does allow monitoring to make sure the generators are in sync via bluetooth. Temperature compensated crystal oscillators cost more than $50 to make so until the price comes down on those, we are not likely to see any reliable TC generators priced at $50. That said, clapper boards/slates are less expensive and work well if price is a concern.
@lauddp1150
@lauddp1150 5 лет назад
I just got a pair for my GH5 and URSA Pro 4.6k Combo (I'm NEW to this timecode workflow)...but I'm not using an external audio recorder. I'm running windows and having a lot of trouble with it syncing. GH5 shows a different timecode with no audio timecode, while the URSA synced perfectly to the what I saw on the app. Both Tentacle's are synced in the app. GH5 set to Mic level and URSA to line level both running 23.98 fps. I know the GH5 is supposed to supply an audio TC, but the tentacle sync app is not showing it. I had it plugged in to the DMW-XLR 1 on one channel and a shogun on channel 2. My master audio is coming off the URSA via it's XLR input with a boomed mic. When I try to sync it with adobe's multicamera, the two cameras don't sync properly and the GH5's clip is off by almost 10 or so frames. When I select "sync with timecode", it says cannot sync e clips (I only record two clips/two cameras). When I select sync with audio 1, that's when the gh5's clips are off by quite a few frames. Perhaps that has nothing to do with the tentacle sync's necesarily? But the reason I got them was to avoid this problem in multicam timelines. What I am doing wrong? I'm starting to do multicam shoots with talking heads almost everyday now and I want to figure this out to make my workflow easier. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Again, I'm a noob at this TC thing... P.S I don't know if this matters but, I have both cameras recording to an atomos (shogun on ursa via SDI and Ninja V via hdmi 2.0 [offical atomos cable]).
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi dbVault, I'd suggest testing without the ATOMOS recorders just to narrow things down. Also, when recording timecode to the GH5, it is just going to the audio track so you'll need to use the tentacle app to convert that to metadata timecode. Good luck!
@lauddp1150
@lauddp1150 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd I appreciate the response! Thank you I will try your suggestion and see if it fixes things. Keep up the great work!
@fanofnaturefilms486
@fanofnaturefilms486 2 года назад
In LTC , what is the meaning of linear time code?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
I don’t understand the question, but you can learn about SMPTE timecode over at en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMPTE_timecode
@JamesClark1991
@JamesClark1991 4 года назад
Hi Curtis! I have a Zoom F4 and a Sony A7iii and I want to use timecode for my next project as the video editors don't want to spend a lot of time clap-syncing tons of clips in post. Am I correct in thinking I could use just one Tentacle box for this setup? Could I jam the Tentacle box from the Zoom F4 (master clock) and then plug the Tentacle into the mic input on my A7iii? I'm thinking this will work in my head, but where will the timecode be "written" on the Zoom F4 unit? Timecode has my tired head spinning.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi 1991ClarkJames, yes, that should work nicely. On the F4, timecode will be a timestamp in the metadata of each audio clip. In the camera clips, timecode will be recorded as a robotic sounding audio track. In post, the post team will need to convert the audio timecode on all of the video clips to metadata timecode using Tentacle Sync Studio or DaVinci Resolve, or Avid Media Composer. Tentacle Sync Studio works much more reliably for this than version 16 of DaVinci Resolve from the testing I've done. Best wishes!
@JamesClark1991
@JamesClark1991 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Hero 💚
@ardentvibe6917
@ardentvibe6917 3 года назад
Great video! Are you able to film in 4K at 60FPS, and then have a second camera recording at 120FPS (just in case you need some slow-mo in post), or are their limitations on how many frames per second can be recorded? Obviously, slowing down a single video file will throw the sync off. For instance, the A7R IV can record 120FPS in camera however it can only output at 60FPS, so the Atomos Shogun will be a lower frame rate.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
SMPTE timecode only specifies frame rates up to 30. you can try to set the frame rate on the timecode generators to 1/2 or 1/4 the camera frame rates and see how that works out. I don't have firsthand experience with that scenario.
@ChadWork1
@ChadWork1 5 лет назад
Hey Curtis! So I've had these for 8 months, and never used them. I bought them for the Netflix doc I was working on (Murder Mountain) because they requested it, but then said "Lets just sync to time of day." Anyway, I've got a gig with 2 cameras and my MixPre 10T, 3 8 hr days doing a training video with actors doing lots of takes. I'm handing the audio to the guy shooting/editing. Is there a way to batch-sync everything at once in TS Studio? It's going to be a lot of short takes. I hoped you could just dump it all into FCPX and have them line up auto-magically.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hey Chad, good to hear from you! Yes, literally dump all the audio and video files into TS Studios, hit sync and they're all laid out on a. timeline, ready to export an XML for Premiere or Final Cut Pro.
@ChadWork1
@ChadWork1 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd Good to know. If I have 100 takes, do I have to export 100 times, or is there also batch export?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
@@ChadWork1 Hi Chad, no, not at all. You export a single XML file which the editor then imports into their editing app. The XML tells the editing app how to line up all the video and audio clips.
@ChadWork1
@ChadWork1 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd Sweet, that will be nice. I'm not editing the job, and they guy who is hasn't ever done timecode stuff either. Have a good one man!
@cjlmediagroup1490
@cjlmediagroup1490 5 лет назад
Hey Curtis can you provide the best way to sync the tentacle sync e with the zoom H6 sound recorder? Should I use the xlr input or XY Line In input? Thanks and great video.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
I'd test with both. You don't need to use an XLR input for the timecode since the cable from the Tentacle to the H6 is so short. The main thing you'll want to test for is to make sure that the timecode signal doesn't bleed into any of the other channels. That can sometimes happen with less expensive recorders. I don't think it'll be an issue with the H6, but good to check.
@Chasjazzez
@Chasjazzez 4 года назад
Hello Curtis, I got a Nikon D3s (which has no timecode...) I would like to use this camera with the Zoom F8n field recorder. What do I need? This Tentacle device? Or do I need more?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Chasjazez, You have several options - sync using your NLE's waveform sync option, plural eyes to sync in batch using waveform, or if you use timecode to sync, you'll either need to run timecode from the F8n to the mic input on the D3s constantly through the shoot or if you don't want to keep the two connected, then yes, you'll need one Tentacle Sync E plus a timecode cable to jam the Tentacle to the Zoom F8n. Best wishes!
@Chasjazzez
@Chasjazzez 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks for your wisdom! If I use a cable between the Nikon D3s and Zoom F8n, do I need some kind of dampener for the signal? Because the D3s does only have a mic preamp with three gain settings (low, normal, high) Oh, and does the Zoom F8N automatically start and stop with timecode? Or is this Camera dependant? Thanks!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
@@Chasjazzez Yes, good point and come to think of it, I don't know that I've ever seen a BNC to 3.5mm attenuator cable so that option may not be realistic. Best to invest in the Tentacle Sync E if syncing by waveform is not feasible.
@Chasjazzez
@Chasjazzez 4 года назад
Curtis Judd I will just buy a tentacle Sync E. Again Thanks 🙏
@alexeycrockoval3620
@alexeycrockoval3620 4 года назад
Hi Curtis! Finally got my pair of tentacle sync e. I am using Saramonic uv9 2 channel wireless system as a camera hub. I found very useful solutions. Sending audio from my mix pre to one channel, timecode to the 2nd channel wirelessly to all cameras. Works great and no need to have tentacle sync on each camera.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍 clever
@MichaelNguyenn
@MichaelNguyenn 5 лет назад
I see the specs on the TC Rates stop at 30 fps. What If I wanted to a multicam shoot at 60 fps? What am I to do then? I can't find my answers online
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Set it to 1/2 the framerate you’re shooting. If you are shooting true 60fps, set it to 30 on the Sync E.
@geycat
@geycat 5 лет назад
Thank you so much for the great video Curtis !!! I am wondering if I use my zoom f8n as a master clock , can I turn off the zoom f8n during lunch break or something , am I need to re-sync all Tentacle sync units if Zoom recorder turn off for some reason ? Plus , what if the DOP changing frame rate all the time say 25 fps to 50 fps , am I need to setup all timecode units every time DOP change the frame rate ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Ming Suet, it should keep sync through lunch while the F8n is shut down, yes. You might test to confirm. Yes, when the DP changes frame rates, you will need to adjust the frame rate on all of the timecode generators - in the F8n and the Tentacles. Note that these generators do not directly support over 30p but you can test to see if using a factor of the higher framerate works - e.g., if the DP is shooting 50fps, set the timecode generators to 25fps. They won't be perfectly synced but that might get you in ballpark at least.
@ryanwhite4855
@ryanwhite4855 4 года назад
Hi Curtis! What if I record in H.265 with aTSE attaches to my XT3 and want to transcode to Prores? Since it’s attached to the audio track I’m guessing it won’t matter. Any experience with this? Thanks for your time and your thoroughness in everything you produce. You provide valuable resources for this community.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hey Ryan, should be fine since the audio should not shift in the transcode.
@ryanwhite4855
@ryanwhite4855 4 года назад
Curtis Judd thanks!
@john-lenin
@john-lenin 6 лет назад
Still way overpriced. This is not complicated technology. Yongnuo needs to come out with a $40 version.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
It seems simple but quality temperature compensated crystal oscillators (highly accurate clocks) are not quite that cheap to make, even for Yongnuo. This is probably why we have not seen any ultra cheap timecode clocks on the market.
@risbill1
@risbill1 5 лет назад
I agree. A temp compensated crystal oscillator costs about $8.
@mianzi.studio
@mianzi.studio 5 лет назад
@@risbill1 Loooool
@risbill1
@risbill1 5 лет назад
@@mianzi.studio it's true. I ordered some yesterday.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 5 лет назад
Ha ha ha. Yes!
@iEditProjects
@iEditProjects 6 лет назад
Great video. It would be awesome if FCPX could sync metadata timecode and audio timecode for multi-cam editing. I’ve used audio to sync across 5 different devices and never had an issue.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
I agree. Would be a nice feature in FCPX.
@JimRobinson-colors
@JimRobinson-colors 5 лет назад
Thank you for this Curtis. How do you know if your sound device already has an accurate timecode.? I have a Zoom H6 . Also - the sync in your vide above is continuous - what if you start and stop a camera to change batteries etc. Does it record whatever the tenticle is outputting? If so - how good does that work in the sync app? Last thing - Are you able to get the xml to import into DaVinci Resolve?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Jim, thanks for the questions! The product description will be very clear that the device has a TCXO or highly accurate timecode generator. The least expensive device that has one of which I’m aware is the Zoom F4. The Zoom H series recorders do not have timecode generators. Also, devices which do have an in-built generator will have a TC sync output at the least. If you power off your camera, it will not affect an external TV generator like the Tentacle Sync E. The way it works is the timecode tone is sent continuously from the Tentacle as long as it is powered on and has been jam synced so the recorder and camera just include it when you start a new recording.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Also, yes, Resolve should be able to read the XML. I recently cancelled my subscription to Premiere so I will test that to confirm in the next couple of weeks.
@NewYorkerPEACE
@NewYorkerPEACE 3 года назад
Hi Curtis, I'm trying to use an on camera Deity D3 mic and use tentacle sync E. can I use a audio spliter or USB port for sync? I thought about trying the Deity D4 Duo which has an output port to see if that would work but I wanted to use a mic with a grain control. any help is MUCH APPRECIATED!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Need to understand more about the overall setup. Timecode generators generally attach to cameras and audio recorders. When you attach one to a camera, the general idea is that this camera will not record audio, just timecode.
@NewYorkerPEACE
@NewYorkerPEACE 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd I totally get that but I was wondering if there was a workaround. It would be great if TC was on one channel and I could attach a mic to the other channel. The Deity D4 duo has an input and output jacks so many people attach a lav mic as well. so I thought maybe I could attach a sync e but it didn't work for some reason. BUT having TC and mic seem like something many would love to have. thanks again for responding so quickly.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
@@NewYorkerPEACE If the mic supports splitting channels so that its sound goes to the left channel on the camera and the external input goes to the right channel, you could probably make that work with some cartwheels in post to tell the app to read timecode from the right channel. Watch out for crosstalk, however, where the timecode will spill over into the microphone channel to some extent.
@NewYorkerPEACE
@NewYorkerPEACE 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd crosstalk that's very good to know. many many thanks sir
@NewYorkerPEACE
@NewYorkerPEACE 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis is worked. I also bought the handy cable that I thought you might want to know about by tentacle. shop.tentaclesync.com/product/tentacle-microphone-y-adapter-cable/ So this can work w on camera shotgun w only one input port.
@theabirus
@theabirus 2 года назад
Hi! Thanks for the review! I really enjoy learning technology from you. Every sound guy ones upon a time in their career starts to consider synching time code. But there is a question: raw audio usually needs some further mixing (cleaning, de-essing etc) in a DAW. How do you solve that? You export video and then mix audio from it , or have to mix it right in video editing software?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
You can do it either way. For longer form video, I often export an XML file from the video editing app and then use that to do the mix in a digital audio workstation app.
@theabirus
@theabirus 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks a lot! I'll try that!
@kazisaud
@kazisaud 6 лет назад
Curtis, @ 8:56 you mentioned, “For time code to work, 1)correct output level (mic for mic inputs, line for timecode inputs). Well, I use MixPre-6 Channel 1 & 2 as line level connected to DJ board for L & R and Channel 3 & 4 to mic level connected to Sony wireless system dual channel receiver(URX-P03D) transmitting audio from two lavaliere. Its all get recorded to MixPre-6 but the fact that I am getting 2 channel with line level signal and 2 channel with mic level signal in the same device, how is that going to affect in the post. Will the audio sync properly in Tentacle software? Thanks in advance!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+Saud Kazi you would set the Tentacle to line level and connect it to the aux input on the MixPre. The MixPre expects line level input for timecode via the aux input.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+Curtis Judd and to finish the thought: whether you use line or mic level input for what you are recording on the audio inputs it does not matter. Only the input receiving timecode is relevant for the level you set on the Tentacle.
@kazisaud
@kazisaud 6 лет назад
Great! Thanks for your prompt response... and lastly, what about for Canon C100 M2, since I will be attaching it to mic, should it be mic or line ( Sorry if my question sound dumb)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+Saud Kazi mic level. 😀
@NickC9545
@NickC9545 5 лет назад
Great video! Does anybody know of a way to inject timecode into a drone, such as the DJI Mavic 2, which has no inputs ports other than a USB-C connector?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
No idea. Interesting idea that never occurred to me. You are looking to sync sound to drone footage? Voiceover?
@NickC9545
@NickC9545 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd Hey Chris, so I record short motivational videos while walking my dogs as the Mavic 2 Zoom records me on Active Track. I record audio to my Android using a lapel mic and use a digital clapboard to sync the audio with the drone video. It works, but not as well as with actual timecode.
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions 5 лет назад
@@NickC9545 Cool! I think the drone would need a timecode input of some sort. I've never heard of a device taking timecode via USB, but it should be possible. But I doubt that DJI has implemented it. You might contact DJI support to confirm. Best wishes!
@vaidehiarts
@vaidehiarts 5 лет назад
Hey Curtis, couple of questions for you since I'm considering getting one of these (or a pair if unavoidable) 1. Is it necessary to keep the sync plugged in for the entire duration of the shoot? Or can it be detached once the shoot begins? 2. With a cam like GH5, I usually tend to mount my Rode Videomic Pro so I can have a decently usable safety track. Is there a way to use that (or any on cam mic) and the tentacle Sync with the GH5? ps. Really love your work, reviews and lessons. Thanks for the amazing thorough guidance :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Hi Jammejay, 1) for GH5 yes. 2) the sync E has a microphone built in but it is mainly just for scratch audio. So left channel will be timecode, right channel will be Sync E mic audio. You could probably make a custom splitter cable if you know how to solder but I’ve never tried it.
@tristanmonscheuer1746
@tristanmonscheuer1746 5 лет назад
Hey Janmejay, yes, it is possible. The setup you described is the exact setup that I use. On the Tentacle website, there is a Splitter Cable to connect any 3.5mm microphone (eg. the Videomic Pro) AND the Tentacle.
@Free__Speech
@Free__Speech 2 года назад
They should be built into cameras 📷 🙂
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
That'd be nice. They'd raise the price of cameras by a couple of hundred dollars if they did that. I think a lot of people would be upset about that on non-cinema cameras.
@FOBulous976
@FOBulous976 6 лет назад
Does it only work with the Tentacle Sync software? Or just any program that recognizes the TC?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+FOBulous976 it will work with any app which reads audio timecode. Unfortunately there aren’t many apps which do. Fortunately, the Tentacle app is very good. DaVinci Resolve and Avid Media Composer are the two main apps that will read audio timecode. Resolve, however, is hit and miss as far as reading audio timecode.
@jayc9184
@jayc9184 2 года назад
Relatively there, great to get started but it is slightly out of phase.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Do you mean out of sync?
@jayc9184
@jayc9184 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd It's relatively in sync, I suppose the right word would be that the delay is off, like it isn'tcoming from the speakers lips. Sounds like it is coming down a long tunnel in relation to the video.
@amdenis
@amdenis 6 лет назад
Maybe you are seeing/hearing something different, but your audio is several frames off (retarded by several frames from the video)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hi Andrew are you referring to the video at 1:09? The reason I ask is the talking head clips at that point are for demonstration and are not synced to the voice over where I'm explaining the process.At 6:32, however, they are syncronized and are playing back in sync on this end. I am curious, are you viewing this on a phone? Laptop? TV? I've noticed that the iPhone app is pretty consistently out of sync and same with TV apps. Thanks for pointing this out!
@tiagolorena
@tiagolorena 6 лет назад
Hi Curtis, thanks for another great video! I'm curious though, when you drop the files into the Sync Studio app I noticed the File-TC from the sound recorder and camera A have green dots, camera B doesn't but the green dot is on Audio-TC. None of them match though, so I honestly don't understand how they sync perfectly, am I missing something?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hi Tiago, the times you see there are the times at which the cameras/recorder were started for that take. The software then carries the time forward and finds the first place at which all of the cameras/recorders have the same time and syncs them up there. That is the beauty of timecode. You don't have to worry about that as long as the Tentacles are all first jammed and then send the timecode to each camera/recorder.
@MikeAIright
@MikeAIright 4 года назад
can you use tentacle sync with a drone?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
If the Drone has a microphone input, yes. But I’ve never seen that.
@VideosProva
@VideosProva 6 лет назад
Hi Curtis. I tried also to use LTC on GH5, but, as I said to you, it has some issues with Resolve in that GH5 starts recording audio track after about 0.3s and Resolve gets the LTC track only if it's from the very beginning. Instead Tentacle SW gets it correctly anyway: good. But I have discovered another problem with GH5 mic input when using LTC: it has not a good separation channels! In fact if I put TC on left channel (even at very low level!) and nothing on the right one, I get TC also on right channel even if at a very low level... but it's anyway audible!! Could you test this on your GH5? I find this annoying because this way I can't use the remaining track as an audio emergency backup track... practically TC is on both channels.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hello VideosProva, Yes, I would hope that Blackmagic would fix this issue. Resolve's ability to read audio timecode is rather spotty at the moment. Fortunately, Tentacle Sync Studio does a very nice job of not only reading audio timecode from any manuacturer's generators, but also does the sync job more quickly than Resolve so it is still very much worth doing the sync in TS Studio for my work. My GH5 did pick up a tiny bit of the timecode signal in the right channel. Good point. This is a GH5 issues and with this camera, unfortunately we cannot expect to use that scratch audio for anything more than manually syncing if necessary (which is generally fine since we have audio recorded to a proper audio recorder outside of the camera)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
+Curtis Judd or it might be an issue of crosstalk on the unbalanced cable.
@crimenreason3543
@crimenreason3543 5 лет назад
It sucks! It doesn't even work on the newest version of mac ! The software is in BETA and it doesn't read the wav files from an audio recorder ! Buyer Beware !
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
Interesting. It worked fine here on my Mojave based iMac and didn't have any trouble reading the wav files from my audio recorder. Perhaps there was an issue somewhere in the pipeline?
@Tommy-ej9jd
@Tommy-ej9jd 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd I wish I had the same experience. Customer support sucks. After some more experimentation I found that it works if I export it as media (pass through pcm) file. When I exported as xml it doesn't behave well in final cut pro.
@Tommy-ej9jd
@Tommy-ej9jd 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd Got it working! You motivated me to stick with it. Now, why export XML over the media tab. Is there one better than the other?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 лет назад
@@Tommy-ej9jd Excellent! It just depends on what works better for you. I like to use the XML when I can because then the edit moves along faster in FCPX as all of the clips are already laid out in a timeline based on when they were shot. In cases where I'm the sound mixer for a larger project, sometimes I export the clips with the synced audio because this is what is most convenient for the director/editor.
@Tommy-ej9jd
@Tommy-ej9jd 5 лет назад
@@curtisjudd Appreciate it!!
@victorfilm_
@victorfilm_ 6 лет назад
Curtis, what's your process when handing out audio to your client. Do you sync this with their footage for them or do you just hand out the audio files and have them deal with the synching in post? How would they go about synching on their own if this is the case? Would they have to download the Tentacle software? Wouldn't they need our serial code for them to have access to the software? Thanks again for all your useful videos. It's very disappointing they don't have Tentacle Studio for Windows users.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Hi Victorfilm, it depends on the shoot. Usually when timecode is a requirement, the production is using a camera with a proper timecode input. In that case, the timecode is written to the metadata of each video clip, not to an audio channel like on consumer grade cameras. So in those cases, I can just hand over the audio clips and they can sync in post with any of the major NLEs including Avid, Premiere, FCPX, Resolve, etc. Though I have not encountered a circumstance yet where a production required timecode and they shot on a camera that did NOT have a dedicated timecode input, then your options would be somewhat limited. They would either need to purchase a license of Tentacle Sync Studio or you would have to do the sync for them. My friend Scott Vanderbilt mentioned to me that he has actually done that at the end of a production day - the DP provided all the video clips, Scott used Tentacle Sync Studio to sync and re-export each of the video clips. It simply re-wraps the video file with the audio from the mixer so it doesn't mess with the video clips in any way, but it does take time. I hope that helps!
@victorfilm_
@victorfilm_ 6 лет назад
Awesome thank you!
@RustyTube
@RustyTube 6 лет назад
After watching many of your videos, as well as looking at the various timecode devices at B&H, I have finally settled on a pair of these (Tentacle Sync E). They arrived yesterday. So, thanks for these videos, Curtis.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 лет назад
Thanks RustyTube and happy recording!
@RustyTube
@RustyTube 6 лет назад
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