If you're going just by numbers, he had 1400 more yards and 25 more touchdowns than Marvin Harrison. 14.8 yards per catch compared to 13.2 for their careers too. And Harrison played with possibly the greatest QB of all time. T.O. played with Multiple QB's throughout his career and still produced better numbers. If we put emotions aside here, it's quite obvious he deserves to be in.
Jose Brador Harrison is literally in because he never drew attention to himself. He didn't dance after TDs like T.O. Chad and Moss. They rewarded him for keeping his mouth shut and not expressing himself ever.
- NFL Hall of Fame Criteria: Minimum of five years' retirement and an approval rating of 80% (or higher) from the selection committee - Career Stats: 15,934 receiving yards; 1,078 receptions; 153 receiving touchdowns - Career Accomplishments: 6x Pro Bowl; 5x First Team All-Pro; 3x Receiving Touchdown Leader As a Giants fan I can't believe I'm about to say this: While Terrell Owens isn't the most liked athlete in NFL history, his resume speaks for itself and he should be in the NFL Hall of Fame.
Owen Lewis Hey! I appreciate your feedback. My intent wasn't to be dramatic, it was to state the facts. Owens' body of work meets the criteria of Hall of Fame; however, the powers-that-be are snubbing because of their personal bias. Do you believe that's fair or foul?
Chris Lacy I believe it's completely foul, we are in agreeance on that. But I'll go a step and further and say that this is NFL and media corruption at its finest. The media made TO out to be a villain and the NFL is witholding the only thing hey can from him, his deserving spot hall of fame. It's disgusting
Owen Lewis I'm with you, bro. I hope the NFL makes some changes because the amount of politics that's going on is doing more harm than good to the brand.
+Nelson Kim Kobe was not convicted of rape. The evidence was proven that what she alleged and the events that happened were not the same. She had a busy 24 hours. It's just as bad to blame someone for something they didn't do. That's one of the reasons it went away.
u made an excellent point and he's still the face of a team however when another player knocks out his fiancé w/ a close fist he's outta the league w/o question. Makes no sense.
I'm sure he will be. Just not first ballot (seems to be reserved for some reason now) Strahan didn't get first ballot either (I'm biased as a giants fan, but he definitely should have been)
This is why Prime was a great teammate he could assess the situation and talk to someone man to man. He was flashy and brash like TO but he also had that in him to balance things out.
He was an idiot in this video. He steady tried to TELL owens whatbhe was doing like he knew better than owens himself, he took a couple of those "shots" he spoke about, owens said more thanonce he doesn't have a problem with Harrison and deion steady told him yes you do. He was a fool that sounded real ignorant.
@@erichvonmanstein6876 he does. Often times it's difficult for people to remove their own personal biases from the equation and it's even harder to see those biases.
He worked hard and played well in big games, only to have it end in tragedy each time. Add to that, he had the heart of a champion! Whenever you have all of that in a player, something is likely to happen that players and organizations do not like as a result! To give you some idea, Barry Sanders quit instead of letting his frustration show! This action still hurt everyone involved a lot! He had some of the worst bad luck in history. 1. He only had 2 full seasons with Young. 2. Hearst gets hurt in ATL in the playoffs ending their playoff hopes in 98 and the last hope to a SB with Young, because his career ended in the next game(Tampa Bay). 3. Garcia did not have the arm to stretch the defense. And, TO could go deep! 4. Williams' horse collar. 5. McNabb was a great playoff QB, but apparently that did translate to the SB. He looked scared and was terrible like the game was too big! 6. Romo was not a playoff QB!
Both wr are good Harrison is one of the best route runners the NFL has ever seen also the guy had speed quickness and some of the best hands in the game
Marvin was the best to do it What he did over a span of 8 seasons, no WR has ever done...not to mention, he played LESS years than Rice, Moss, Carter, Owens and whoever else you want to mention His SEASON AVERAGES FOR HIS CAREER ARE AS FOLLOWS 103 receptions 1,400 yards 12 TD's ^^^ this wasnt one season...this is what he averaged EVERY season
People acting like Marvin Harrison wasn't elite. He was at one point the best WR in the NFL. And he played when Moss, Owens played. Played in the same era where defenses were allowed to be a little more physical than today especially in the playoffs. Teams designed game plans around stopping the Peyton to Harrison connection and he still burned them, including the Pats , my own team(We did shut him down in the playoffs with Law but man those games were tough). Come on man. 8 straight seasons with double digit TDs. One of the most precise route runners ever with elite deep speed, elite agility and elite hands. Rarely dropped passes and never led the league in drops like Owens. There is more than goes into evaluating receivers than just looking at their numbers. I would take Moss and Harrison over TO right now. And Harrison is top 10 all time. Anyone who says different can take their opinion and shove it.
Marvin is better than TO. They're both HOF, but I'm sorry marvin has better hands is a better route runner, and plays his role as a great teammate. Not to mention his footwork he'd toe tap that line all day. Only thing TO had was being bigger, other than that Marvin was a freak of nature. 2nd best receiver of all time.
+Michael Inman Marvin Harrison played with the better QB for years and yet T.O's numbers are better. SO how in the hell can Marvin Harrison be better? In what, touchdowns, yards after catch, receptions? What category has Harrison been better than TO?
+Dylan Manuel On top of that, I don't know how a person can judge a WR based on rings. Calvin Johnson rings a bell. Another thing is, +Manny Vallejo needs to go check Marvin Harrison's post-season numbers. They're terrible. Owens always showed up big in the playoffs.
+CometVS yeah let's act like they don't play for rings dumb ass , and all heared was Peyton Manning Choking in the Playoffs now it's Marvin too ?? foh make up your God dam minds people . Is it the receiver or the QB that chokes
The guy spotted me on the incline bench at the Palms spa one day, must have been 2008 or 2009. Took me another few minutes to realize it was T.O. People are just people, and he was as cool a nice and anyone else. I told him one of the most impressive and tough things I saw as an athlete ever was his play in the 2005 super bowl which they actually lost. He has a ripped up ankle and likely a fractured leg, but he still went out there and produced, didn't complain. Whatever happens around an athlete in the press, to me, it never trumps demonstrated toughness in a game. That will always have my respect. And that's how I remember T.O.
The Hall of fame is so political. I loved T.O with the cowboys . he made us a very good team . Look how the QBs stats went through the roof when T.O. was on the team . Donovan McNabb had a career year with T.O.
^^^^^ someone gets it. All these rice dick riders that think it's impressive to stack up those numbers ith 2 hall of fame qbs when moss only had brady for 3 seasons and T.O had....... well T.O lol
T.O. retired with #2 or #3 in every statistical category... But if you look at Art Monk, he retired at #2 or #3 in every category as well... and he had to wait over 5-6 years Not saying its right for either player to wait that long... but its at least consistent in that regard
TO should have been a 1st ballot HOF no matter what! The nfl needs to come out and be clear about what hurts you and what doesn’t. Also. Why don’t players and coaches vote?
no one talks about brett farve's incidents. like not being a team player towards aaron Rodgers or his sexual assult or drug abuse. yet hes a first ballot?.
Favre not a team player? Says who? Some arm chair quarterback. Ask his former Packer teammates. The Rodgers thing was between him and management and didn't hurt the team. It wasn't his job to groom his replacement. That's what O.C and QB coaches are paid to do. His gunslinger mentality wasn't selfish. It defined some great teams. The only time I heard the word selfish used was when he played hurt with the Jets to keep his streak alive and probably shouldn't have. Every NFL coach wishes they had players that selfish. I'm not aware of any sexual assault charge just a sexual harassment charge when a Jet. Huge difference. The man was an NFL player who played hurt. Of course he took pain killers. They're easy to get hooked on. It's not like he got hooked taking them recreationally . I salute him for addressing his problem and going public with it as today over 50000 Americans die a year from opiates. It's more than gun shot wounds or auto wrecks but you can thank greedy doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and politicians for that. Who is the all time leader in campaign contributions from pharmaceutical P.A.C's? Barack Obama. By the way, I'm not a fan of any of the teams Favre played for. It's just how I saw things.
T.O. never got into any trouble off the field, he has a huge personality but so do lots of athletes. there are fights in every N.F.L. locker room...he could of handled some things better but he is human and his stats are yhat of a H.O.F.er...bye the way I am a Raiders fan so can't call me a "homer"
T.O. retired with #2 or #3 in every statistical category... But if you look at Art Monk, he retired at #2 or #3 in every category as well... and he had to wait over 5-6 years Not saying its right for either player to wait that long... but its at least consistent in that regard
Damn Not when they let moss in 1st ballot with identical stats almost. T o stats were better than moss's stats. They just got it in for t o. Moss getting in 1st ballot proves it even more.
Terrell Owens is a Icon as a wide receiver. The HATERS don't like him because (1). He's an attractive dark skin black man who speaks his mind. (2). He is a superstar with the tenacity and heart that most wish they had. (3). He is 6'3 220 pounds and ripped. Most men could only dream of having the physique he has. Jealous bastards.(4). He still looks damn good and I believe he still could play in the NFL. Drops the Mic.
Deion Sanders was my favorite. I remember when he was in the baseball playoffs and football playoffs at the same time. A helicopter dropped down on the field and picked him up to carry him to his football game. incredible scene.
TO doesn't get it. Deion was holding back. He's basically saying that TO should have never brought up Marvin Harrison's incident just because his own character was questioned. The fact that he brought up specially Harrison's gun incident was a shot at him wether TO meant it or not. The wise thing to do was to never had said it. TO doesn't get it.
Exactly… I feel like that’s as plain as day. You don’t bring up someone else’s name and what they’ve done when someone’s questioning YOU and YOUR past actions… that’s a b**ch move, plain and simple. Lol
@@Austin.Kilgore deion was straight hating. He a dummy talking about a "shot". Its facts what TO was saying and because somebody else brought it up? Pfffft. Deion and marvin is haters.
If we were talking about the attitude hof there would've been valid points but we're talking about football hof. Who are these gatekeepers who feel perfect enough to judge him in this manner? shut up
ehhh. Randy didn't block, didn't go down the middle, didn't go hard like TO... there's lots of things TO did that Moss just didn't so it's closer than many people think.
This is crazy. It is very hard to make a argument without mentioning someone or giving an example. If they tell T.O why they didn't choose him into the HOF and he says we'll you let Him in. Him being Harrison. He has the right to point out the disparity in their reasoning. He could have used coke sniffing gun toting Michael Irving. But he didn't. He was trying to keep it clean and not disrespect anyone.....Period
Terrell Owens. Only credible evidence to say he was an issue with the 49ers. The Eagles team and fans favored T.O. over Mcnabb. McNabb was carried by T.O. when Owens arrived. Check the difference in stats when T.O arrived vs. before he got there. And he would have won MVP of the Superbowl on ONE LEG if they would have won. He creates Tony Romo and carries that offense. Right when T.O. got less touches, He complained yes, but the Cowboys missed the post season. T.O. didn't have a Tom Brady or Joe Montana throwing him the ball. He didn't have a Bill Bilicheck or Bill Walsh at Coach. He was bullied out the league and kept out because of reasons only NFL Owners know. All teams go through players uncomfort but they get through it with great leadership look at the 90s Cowboys or the 2007 Giants. T.O didn't have that leadership with Romo or McNabb. On top of that Romo never stepped up to defend T.O and McNabb started the mess with his childish comments when T.O got hurt. Regardless T.O. puts up all time numbers. He averages the most Touchdowns per game he plays in than Jerry Rice himself. He was an after the catch phenom and could do it all - Run EVERY route on the tree break tackles off any defender and run past any DB. T.O. will forever be the Greatest PLAYER to play reciever. I don't know the man personally so why the heck would I consider his "character" when he has never had any problem with the law. If that was the case 1/2 the dudes in the Hall of Fame wouldn't be there. It's football. Not politics.
He wasnt an issue for the 49ers . He wastheir offense. They let him go because of their horrible salary cap issues that forced them to cut high salary players . They got rid of Jeff Garcia for the same reason did he have an issue as well??? The media has demonize T.O. for no good reason probabl because he didnt do everything they wanted him to do by giving interviews and things like that so they take that out on him by making him seem like the wors e person ever evnthough he never did anything but talk a lot. The people in the media are the worse form of life evn worse than the people in the HR dept.
What do you mean he wasn't an issue for the 49ers? He was constantly in turmoil with the offensive coordinator Greg Knapp about play calls and not getting the ball enough, and had basically accused Jeff Garcia of being gay in a publication. San Fran got rid of Owens because, yes he was a salary cap casualty, but he also wasn't worth the headache of keeping around while being a distraction to a lot of the younger guys on the team. Talent wise? He is DEFINITELY one of the greats! I was a big fan of his during his days in San Francisco and Philadelphia, but Owens does have narcissistic qualities about him that generate attention and controversy.
James8107 No they got rid of him because of salary cap. They got rid of Garcia before they got rid of T.O. so it was about salary cap not because of him causing trouble. Stop listening to Skip Bayless SMH
Christian Soldier Sounds like you have parts of your story mixed up.. Is it not true that Owens had problems with Greg Knapp? Is it not true that he asserted that Jeff Garcia was gay? Owens was a me-me guy in San Fran and had the attention that current day diva wide receivers like Odell Beckham Jr. get today. Also, Jeff Garcia was released in the same 2003 offseason as Terrell Owens after San Francisco was starting to implode trying to make decisions on Tim Rattay and Jeff Garcia. Get your facts straight bruh..
Marvin and TO both came in 96. Every year Marvin had better numbers. TO played 2 more years. TO was a beast as well. But so was Tory Holt, & Randy Moss. Marvin caught a lot of balls & still holds the record for most receptions in a season. If u want to discredit Marvin Harrison being one of the best or better than TO because he played with Peyton Manning then u have to discredit Jerry Rice who is widely considered the greatest receiver ever. He played with Joe Montana. He was smaller and avoided a lot of punishment by either sliding or going out of bounds, but does that mean he wasnt a great receiver?
No he wouldn't. Marvin Harrison had to share the ball with other players. T.O was a me first guy. Marvin played for the team and was still productive because he was great similar to Jerry Rice. Anyone can put up numbers, can you play in a system be a team player and still be productive
TO is right, they bring up character issues and TO has no off the field incidents like Harrison did. TO was telling the truth. He said nothing wrong in my opinion. HOF has turned into a popularity contest and not about numbers.
You don’t bring other name up to deflect the heat being out in you… it’s that simple. I don’t understand how so many people don’t seem to get that. It’s just not very honorable and a b**ch move quite honestly.
Terrell Owens is obviously more superior than Marvin Harrison. T.O. played with average or mediocre quarterbacks for most of his career and still was the best in the league. Marvin Harrison wouldn't be shit without Peyton Manning
if the talk is numbers, OK now, who remembers the GREATEST SHOW ON TURF?!?!? for years str8 they scoring over 500 points a season! Holt, Bruce, Proehl, Az Akim, Horne on special team the man Superman Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner come on man!
Nxt yr. T.O deserves this just by numbers alone. They say it's because character issues and arguing with teammates and coaches. Hmm sounds little bit like Tom Brady! IDK how many times I've seen Brady throwing helmets yelling at coaches but I guess since he is NFL's pretty boy that's OK?
phillip james So true, Brady and other famous players have been somewhat troublemakers blowing up on teammates. T O is such a media star, it’s easy to pick on him. The NFL has players with ego’s that are out of control. It the NFL.
He shouldn't have said it, even though he wasn't taking a shot personally because it was a question asked. But like prime said it came off as a shot to Marvin Harrison like he was throwing him under the bus.
The HOF has turned into little more than a popularity contest. Terrell Owens deserves to be in the HOF. Attitude or the way you carry yourself should have ZERO to do with the voting.
TO was better off not saying anything. As soon as he talks ppl perceive it as him complaining. He should have remained quiet BC regardless he's going in the HOF
They tried to say character was the reason T.O. didn't get in. Logically he challenged that logic by pointing out that Marvin literally was investigated for a shooting or murder.
Terrell Owens is never going to take any responsibility for the problems that he caused with teams. He somehow was always the victim either with his teammates and coaches or with the media. It's a complete waste of time even talking to him about it. having said that, he should've gone into the HOF first ballot because his stats speak to that for sure.
+Calvin Strozier What problems? Saying McNabb was out of shape? We all saw him throwing up and walking to the line while trailing in the latter part of the super bowl. Shanahan confirmed that he was out of shape with the Redskins. I guess that was T.O.'s fault too. The media can forgive Marvin Harrison for shooting a gun at someone but not T.O. for shooting his mouth. We're all still witnessing what Dallas is like with Romo & Witten's friendship as the main focus. They only won when they got T.O. the ball and only won recently when Romo got the ball to Dez and handed it to Demarco. Hmmmmm. T.O. is right and I'm not even a T.O. fan.
Currently Rice and Moss are both among the greatest wide receivers of all time in the top 2 but the world is not going to end January 7, 2018 so I really think someone is going to come along and freak everyone out with ability out of this world!!! MOSS IS THE BEST DEEP THREAT EVER CURRENTLY, HARRISON IS THE BEST ROUTE RUNNER EVER CURRENTLY, BUT MIX THE TWO AND YOU GOT RICE CURRENTLY AS THE BEST COMBINED BUT FOOTBALL IS STILL BEING PLAYED AND I LOVE COREY DAVIS OF WESTERN MICHIGAN HE IS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN COMING OUT OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL IN 15 YEARS AND IF HE PLAYS WHERE HE CAN BE UTILIZED PROPERLY THEN WELL ADD ANOTHER TO THE MIX!!! SIZE, SPEED, ROUTE RUNNING, SEPARATION, CAN RUN BY, RUN AWAY FROM AND MOST IMPORTANTLY RUN ACROSS THE MIDDLE AND OUTRUN EVERYBODY IS WHAT A PASS HAPPY TEAM, COACH, QUARTERBACK WANTS PERIOD!!! HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET IN THE NFL!!!
When it comes to just these two receivers both are certainly deserving to be HOF inductees since SO many are allowed in. It's not near as an exclusive of a club as you'd think. You want an exclusive club, how about 4 rings or more. Both are deserving and had awesome careers but while Harrison was the better teammate and team player without question the more talented and his numbers playing with less talented QB's than Harrison prove this, is T.O. If T.O had played with a Montana, Elway, Favre or Manning he'd be up at the top with Rice and Moss. Saying that if Moss had played most of his career with Brady, no one would question who was the greatest wide receiver ever.
i would take harrison over owens any day of the week. i think that owens making it to the hall is a no brainer, but marving os one of the all time greats.
i think Terrell Owens was a great fit in Eagles, and the most miss understood player in the NFL, I Say he should be in the Hall Of Fame, because every game it seemed like he put 100% in the game, I'm not even a fan of the Eagles and i can see T.O. was the best for them, omg i use to just watch them play because of him thats how much he put on a great enough show for them, so give him his fkn HALL OF FAME, and if Donovan McNabb got anything to say i will say he's not a great quarter back, he was just good at running and thats all i got to say :)
TO deserves to be in the hall. But you guys are missing the argument of naysaysers. There is no question that TO has the numbers and the talent. But critics are focused on the fact he ruined every team he went to. Can you still be a hall of fame if you make every team you are in worse off?
cyanide that's the point... he ruined every team he went to. But anyways if you remember the Eagles were super bowl contenders for years after TO left.
taek they went from 13-3 the season t.o. was there but the next season they went 6-10 no wheres near a super bowl contender. so please tell me how t.o. made them worse again?
Just keep your mouth off other people, when you're in the hot seat! TO has always pulled other people in when was in the hot seat, he probably did that in school when he got caught doing something...told on the whole class! LOL!
Teammates said Michael Jordan was a bad teammate. Also MJ punched Steve Kerr at practice. MJ has character flaws in is personality, so T.O being a bad character is irrelevant when the hall of fame induction. Personally i think TO should be first ballot hall of fame as best wide receiver all time
TO always come to play and played with fire in his belly fierce competitor just got caught up in the heat of battle and wasn’t afraid to put the weight of winning or losing a game on his on shoulders you can say he was cocky but ever arm chair QB setting at home watching a game with a few seconds left in the game would tell you throw it to TO and TO wanted the ball not to be cocky he knew he could win it and would take the shot and hold on to the ball
the media ruined to's reputation for ratings. Just like they are eating this shut up now. It's the medias fault for doing this shit. t.o was in the NFL for a long time and if he was that much of a problem he wouldn't have been. these people are profiting off of his misery.
Terrell Owens cut his own throat. The NFL is an elite club and Terrell crossed too many people of status within that club. Why he's even campaigning to get in the HOF, I dont know. At least Vince Young realized that when he crossed Jeff Fisher he crossed someone who is well connected with NFL circles and he can' t coach a lick. It's not always about what you did on the field as much as how you were with what you did. DIG!!
T.O. is better than marvin always have been always will be if you had to take a receiver number 1 between the two on field and off after their careers are done...who would you take
