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Terrifier 2 - Damien Leone, David Howard Thornton (Art The Clown) & Sam Scaffidi Q&A Panel 23/10/22 

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With Terrifier 2 currently tearing up the American box office, we were joined onstage by writer/Director Damien Leone, Samantha Scaffidi (Victoria) and that mischievous little scamp, David Howard Thornton, who plays Art the Clown himself.
Hear the inside story of the year's most controversial horror movie live onstage at For the Love of Horror.
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@gissneric
@gissneric Год назад
David Howard Thornton looks like he would't hurt a fly then he completely changes when in character.
@robertpreston2220
@robertpreston2220 4 месяца назад
IDK I have seen him be not so nice on his social media outlets. he and art have more in common than people think
@KHWADI
@KHWADI Год назад
people enjoyed Terrifier 2 more than Halloween Ends.
@tjplaya1156
@tjplaya1156 Год назад
Terrifier 2 is better than Halloween Ends...I was literally on the edge of my seat all movie, it was gruesome, brutal, terrifying, and captivating throughout.
@donalddean2037
@donalddean2037 Год назад
Halloween Ends sucked
@the1wholovesyou
@the1wholovesyou Год назад
@@tjplaya1156 not to mention that it’s also visually appealing. The color palette and hues of the film is so nice to see, you can tell a lot of thought and detail went into it which is one of the things I loved about terrifier 2
@briangaron7609
@briangaron7609 Год назад
I enjoyed the please turn off your phones video before the movie more than Halloween ends
@judbaker5752
@judbaker5752 Год назад
Both scripts were written by 9 year olds but terrifier is bloodier so it wins I guess
@WolfataDoor
@WolfataDoor Год назад
It is so awesome to see a grassroots horror franchise getting this level of recognition while doing great at the box office!
@lonelypigeon7562
@lonelypigeon7562 Год назад
producers nowadays dont EVEN have the "balls" to show ripped out dicks to eyeballs!!! Congrats to this production crew/team that finally kicks a$$
@YOUENNNN
@YOUENNNN Год назад
Yeah people need to stop supporting Avengers and shits like that and make creative cinema back on track !! That would be dope
@TheWelchProductions
@TheWelchProductions Год назад
Too bad the films are just torture porn.
@YOUENNNN
@YOUENNNN Год назад
@@TheWelchProductions That's true also
@BlueDaemonful
@BlueDaemonful Год назад
Terrifier is incredible. It deserves to be on that same level as Freddy and Jason imo. Beyond just the gore, Art is such a cool character with so much personality. I always think of him as Mr Bean from an alternate dimension where he was born and raised in Silent Hill. lol.
@masterjenkins632
@masterjenkins632 Год назад
Art is my favourite nowadays i think, he's vicious but has me in fits of laughter with his goofiness and sinisterness lol
@StormyWeather_2005
@StormyWeather_2005 10 месяцев назад
@@masterjenkins632 Same :D
@starshineraiser6729
@starshineraiser6729 Год назад
I think Terrifier 2 may be my favorite movie of all time. For how sick it is, the acting is top of the line.
@Ticona2
@Ticona2 Год назад
David Howard Thornton brings sooooooo much to this character. Not many actors can pull off a speechless character, but he does it the best I have ever seen and I'm in my 50's. I hate to diss anyone, but look at the first guy that had the role. Good job but David Howard Thornton was born for this role. He says so much without saying a word and the audience gets it, crazy, Very scary and creepy but some how is still funny, only he could pull it off. With out a doubt the new big Halloween favorite for years to come!
@Sara_Kane
@Sara_Kane Год назад
I've noticed over the years that so many of the great people directly involved in the making of horror, are some of the nicest, peaceful, most mild-mannered people you could ever hope to meet. Yet so many that are opposed to these kinds of films are the complete opposite. I think the master Wes Craven said it best, that horror films don't create fear and anger, they release it. Terrifier 2 was an epic display of classic gory horror turned up to 11, just a spectacular and wonderful horror movie on every level. I actually cried at the end of it, that's how much invested I was in it. Art is a horror icon, and Terrifier 2 is a slasher classic, up there with the very best in the genre.
@christiannugraha1011
@christiannugraha1011 Год назад
Speaking of mild mannered horror creator, Junji Ito came to my mind.
@berniebranches2472
@berniebranches2472 Год назад
So true!!
@jiririnagl302
@jiririnagl302 11 месяцев назад
So what? Josef Fritzl according to friends and neighbors was one of the nicest man they ever met.This applies on many killers actually.Being nice on public means shit.
@Sara_Kane
@Sara_Kane 11 месяцев назад
@@jiririnagl302 You're not seriously trying to compare the act of making a horror movie, with the despicable crimes committed by the likes of Josef Fritzl? I sincerely hope not. Sure, sometimes a person's public persona is very different to the way are in private, but that's something that can be applied to everyone.
@IanSolano
@IanSolano Год назад
I believe Art will be seen with the other legends of horror. It's awesome to see the gradual build up of this lunattic.
@kimmyfreak200
@kimmyfreak200 Год назад
i love how damien picked an actor known only for comedy to play Art...just brilliant
@unstablegenius2325
@unstablegenius2325 Год назад
This TERRIFER 2 was on a different level. Great Slasher film. I loved the music soundtrack, special and sound effects . What a great acting crew too. Ruthlessly, funny.
@lukelmaooooo
@lukelmaooooo Год назад
Damien Leone and DHT deserve all the love. they're both horror geniuses
@johnanthony6742
@johnanthony6742 Год назад
The whole internet exploded with Terrifier 2 stuff. My girlfriend and I seen it 3 times and were immediately into Art the clown. Art is the new horror icon of 2022..
@Leg3ndKilla687
@Leg3ndKilla687 Год назад
Damien makes a Batman movie. Make David the Joker. I need this now.
@HarleyX666
@HarleyX666 Год назад
This shit is what horror fans want and need. Thank you for making a second one. Keep. Them. Coming. 🤡
@Brandonarchambault
@Brandonarchambault Год назад
They've created a masterpiece.
@christaylor7916
@christaylor7916 Год назад
It's not a great movie. Y'all literally only love it cuz of the gore. Take the gore away and how good is it?
@morenoj8853
@morenoj8853 Год назад
@@christaylor7916 right the movie was terrible. Felt like they came up with things as filming went along.
@LuigiBull33
@LuigiBull33 Год назад
@@morenoj8853 "the movie was terrible" Well it's a good thing that's your own opinion and one that's in the minority for reason lol!
@luismiranda1929
@luismiranda1929 Год назад
@@christaylor7916 Art the Clown is great costume design! Pretty much every single movie that comes out now is pure garbage. Have only gone to the movies or better yet been excited for a movie in a really long time. This movie was raw! On a 250,000 budget this movie is better than 99% of horror movies that have been released in the last 10 years!
@mciranny
@mciranny Год назад
Art is unapologeticly supernatural and I love it 💕
@dem0litionsss
@dem0litionsss Год назад
@@seeyounexttuesday3716 thats the point bestie
@TheWelchProductions
@TheWelchProductions Год назад
@@seeyounexttuesday3716 Art can be vile.
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 Год назад
He isn't supernatural by himself, it's the demon that does all those magical things for him, Art didn't even know he will be revived.
@xuxuang8574
@xuxuang8574 9 месяцев назад
​@@donataspuidokas2601 source?
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 9 месяцев назад
@@xuxuang8574 Damien stated it himself
@jayjay-iu3wc
@jayjay-iu3wc Год назад
Art the clown is the next Freddy Krueger for this generation 👏👏 👍👍
@fernandorivera9517
@fernandorivera9517 Год назад
A B S O L U T E L Y!...🧡
@STOiZY
@STOiZY Год назад
AHAHA DAVID IS SUCH A CHARACTER. . . HE SEEMS LIKE HE DOESN'T PLAY ART BUT HE DOES AT THE SAME TIME LOL. HE'S LIKE A SWEET ALONGSIDE AKWARD VERSION OF ART BUT WHEN HE HAS THE COSTUME ON HE TAPS INTO THAT MURDEROUS-LIKE INTENTION. BLESS HIM AND THE WHOLE CREW.
@MrMusic193
@MrMusic193 Год назад
I think they should open up a restaurant, called the clown Café, and make food a little funny
@berniebranches2472
@berniebranches2472 Год назад
I love how scary Art is, like if he gets hurt he doesn’t even grunt!! It’s so scary!!!
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 Год назад
he somehow manages to not scream
@iamcopperhead
@iamcopperhead Год назад
I think this is to be my most favorite gory horror movie of all time
@brkmfk3200
@brkmfk3200 Год назад
Best horror movie of the year hands down
@maeve3528
@maeve3528 Год назад
Terrifier 3 !!!!! 💓💓💓💓💀
@thousandyoung
@thousandyoung Год назад
This Guy put Italian Guro Style on Trend again. It's great that Savini is his Inspiration. Specially when Practical Effects are a Dying Art Form.
@lauraclegg794
@lauraclegg794 Год назад
I just love Art the clown, definitely my favourite horror character now. David acts him perfectly. Art not speaking is way more scary. I always thought I preferred practical effects, now I know for sure. Best practical effects I've ever seen x
@briangaron7609
@briangaron7609 Год назад
The illusion of horror is something I've always appreciated. The original "The Haunting" from the early 60's was always my favorite which is funny because there wasn't a drop of blood and then I loved Terrifier.
@sm4130
@sm4130 Год назад
Hey if your movie can make people faint and vomit at this day and age then you’re a genius cause there isn’t a lot left in horror genre that would actually scare people nowadays… And no the saw scene from the first movie is still the most shocking scene ever and I just saw the second one
@thomascline4677
@thomascline4677 Год назад
Can't wait till Terrifier 3 Damien I'm rewatching the sequel it's so epic and amazing !
@LoganFlores
@LoganFlores Год назад
Terrifier 2 was amazing in so many ways And takes it to a whole new level!
@christaylor7916
@christaylor7916 Год назад
It's not a great movie. Y'all literally only love it cuz of the gore. Take the gore away and how good is it?
@NeztWasTaken
@NeztWasTaken Год назад
@@christaylor7916 and isn't that the point of the movie tho? Is like saying remove the romance from a romance movie
@Pingaheimer
@Pingaheimer Год назад
@@christaylor7916 it was difficult to get through, but i guess if gratuitous gore is your thing, then go for it lol. But Americans need their gore i guess, u guys love blood n guts lmfao. I need some substance to my movies.
@christaylor7916
@christaylor7916 Год назад
@@NeztWasTaken no, not true. If the movie is considered bad without that one thing, which in this case is gore, then that's not good
@clojo286
@clojo286 Год назад
@@christaylor7916 yes it is, get it right man 🤦‍♀️
@albertleeiii1533
@albertleeiii1533 Год назад
I can not wait for the next direction with this franchise! They completely ignited the horror genre and are taking it a new refreshing direction! Congratulations!
@mariagutierrez4721
@mariagutierrez4721 Год назад
Great job We Fans Of Art the Clown We Want More Hopefully You bring Up Part 3 Soon
@jamiewhite3703
@jamiewhite3703 Год назад
Just watched terrifer 2 this morning, fantastic on all levels, the work and passion that goes into these movies amazes me.
@ksyusm3933
@ksyusm3933 Год назад
yes i agree
@awakeenlighten2298
@awakeenlighten2298 Год назад
Agreed
@HarleyX666
@HarleyX666 Год назад
Such a great horror film
@nitevibe9886
@nitevibe9886 Год назад
“This morning” lol
@90nadz
@90nadz Год назад
You must have children to have watched it this morning. I appreciate the struggles! Respect
@Lambzy
@Lambzy Год назад
Saw the movie last night all I can say is wow pure gore
@AlexanderL23
@AlexanderL23 Год назад
I feel so happy for these guys tbh because specially for the filmmaker for all the effort he put in the movies showing that it's not really necessary to have a big amount of money to make an unforgettable movie. I loved both films Art the Clown will be in a near future a classic slasher character.
@Jarl_Thidrandi
@Jarl_Thidrandi Год назад
This was the first movie I've been actually excited to see in at least 15 years.
@MrUnitedBros
@MrUnitedBros Год назад
Was such a great weekend guys, thank you for everything you do. Was hoping my terrifier double bill Blu-ray was coming today but it's sadly been pushed back to Saturday :(
@paulicke3483
@paulicke3483 Год назад
Waiting for mine from Amazon,was sold out, looking forward onto blu ray with surround sound 👍👌
@amberbailey8241
@amberbailey8241 Год назад
The funniest part of the movie, which some probably have a problem with, was when one of the girls said face transplant recipients look like mr. Potato heads 😂
@KAT_FormerlyNosferKatu
@KAT_FormerlyNosferKatu 8 месяцев назад
Never end Art, PLEASE!!!!!
@kevinmyles6369
@kevinmyles6369 Год назад
Fantastic really Damien and his team getting lotta buzz and getting recognized through word of mouth instead of huge budget. whatever they do, don't change, keep it extreme and creative cuz it's different than anything else in horror these days.
@michaelmorbid704
@michaelmorbid704 Год назад
Arts horn blows: Oh, someone is horny. Man, I love these guys and can't wait for more Terrifier. I want Arts backstory. I want... To.... Know more.
@GrimReaper4383
@GrimReaper4383 Год назад
I already have the wal-mart steelbook version pre-ordered.
@cielitojuega
@cielitojuega Год назад
Terrifier 1 is amazing too! I loved it
@alcottdevalte7440
@alcottdevalte7440 Год назад
This movie is a masterpiece. I hope they make many sequel's...
@Bloody_alchemy
@Bloody_alchemy Год назад
Love how Rowan Atkinson (MrBean) is an inspiration
@JessicaJessy395
@JessicaJessy395 Год назад
it was amazing terrifier♥️
@astridvalenzuela8321
@astridvalenzuela8321 Год назад
Buenos actores y buena película de terror la mejor del 2022🤗
@xcarnage3936
@xcarnage3936 Год назад
That posh accent would actually be terrifying to hear if art ever talked!! Pun intended!!😂🤡
@ashleyloki4457
@ashleyloki4457 7 месяцев назад
Love it love it love it!! I've been a horror buff since I was 3 years old (so 32 long years) and Art is definitely my new favorite Horror icon (he took the thrown from Michael). I've been a fan since All Hallows Eve. Keep 👏em👏comin👏Damian! 🤘 Much love🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍
@liztruette
@liztruette Год назад
Jerry O’ Connell was in Stand By Me too which was based on Stephen King’s story The Body. This character Art is so fascinating and disturbing and hilarious. Loved Terrifier and 2 and I don’t even like gore. So cool to know Art crashing the tricycle was an outtake. Was one of my favorite parts from Terrifier. Needed the comic relief from the disgust lol
@dem0litionsss
@dem0litionsss Год назад
@Mariana D'Amelio definitely not. the whole point of the movies is the extreme gratuitous gore. when you think the camera is going to cut away because “no they definitely cant show that”, the camera focuses on it even more
@samanthabarry5817
@samanthabarry5817 Год назад
For all the art the clown fans out there 😊 David thortan needs his star 🌟 on the Hollywood Hal of fame 😊
@jager1679
@jager1679 Год назад
Dude Damie Leone is the new Tom savini
@Sara_Kane
@Sara_Kane Год назад
Damien would be so humbled to be called that, Tom Savini is his hero, he was a massive inflenuce on the young Damien. I'd agree on your statement, Damien's practical effects work is awesome, he's a master of the craft, no doubt.
@jmgdarkest9034
@jmgdarkest9034 Год назад
This guy Is awesome and a genius creator. He is bringing revolutionary film making to the horror genre in my opinion. I see some haters say he's deprived but those people are literally close minded and weak minded. Their puny brains can't grasp the greatness of this guy's gore and creativity. It really hits a nerve when i see ppl talk trash, like dude, you just cant handle the gore LOL. Us fans love the movies, keep em coming!
@marcryan1974
@marcryan1974 Год назад
Bravo 👏
@adrianghandtchi1562
@adrianghandtchi1562 Год назад
I will be honest I did not watch the first Terrifier but I saw that the second one was on and I only made it through to the beginning of Allie’s death. I gave up I couldn’t do it, I was just not strong enough, the brutality of the opening kill was just something I should’ve just shut off, I am here to get to know the creative team behind it because I’d rather focus on that then focusing on the movie.
@jeremyparsons6488
@jeremyparsons6488 Год назад
Fucking amazing movie. Way to go!!!! Waiting for 3
@James-dz6wb
@James-dz6wb Год назад
Best horror film for a long time , long live Art 🎨!
@galacticgas7249
@galacticgas7249 Год назад
Loved the film, I really did
@Jhoffa22_
@Jhoffa22_ Год назад
I stumbled across Art the clown about a year ago and been a fan ever since, and it's crazy to see how this movie took off to mainstream but yet didn't forget about the hardcore fan's in the process to sell out and NEVER will...💯🍺🍺💯
@Dr_Flankensteinn
@Dr_Flankensteinn Год назад
Halloween ENDS....Art the Clown begins...it's time!
@paulysmallz8095
@paulysmallz8095 Год назад
What art does to Allie in part 2 was so insane this has to be the best horror movie I’ve seen well since the first one
@LuigiBull33
@LuigiBull33 Год назад
Man I felt so bad for her character lol
@danf3937
@danf3937 Год назад
Art needs a back story
@InocenteRandy
@InocenteRandy Год назад
I need more about victoria's character...
@aldokurti3272
@aldokurti3272 7 месяцев назад
She is the only reoccurring character so there will definetely be more of her.
@DamMe17
@DamMe17 Год назад
I love TERRIFER ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@thomasstevens2746
@thomasstevens2746 Год назад
bloody Loved this film they made a masterpiece of a villan
@Saint3188
@Saint3188 Год назад
I saw it on Hallows Eve and loved it
@wdvnge
@wdvnge Год назад
Would love to see terrifier 2 behind the scenes doc
@Badly_Drawn_Ben
@Badly_Drawn_Ben Год назад
There's one on the UK blu ray release
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 Год назад
There is a 40mins video
@wdvnge
@wdvnge Год назад
@@donataspuidokas2601 link?
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 Год назад
@@wdvnge ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SdIN01i5z9I.html
@federicodellimmagine3676
@federicodellimmagine3676 Год назад
Art for president!
@MitzyDoodle13
@MitzyDoodle13 Год назад
Is there a place that you can get Art as the Joker in the Killing joke? The shirt David was wearing??
@Badly_Drawn_Ben
@Badly_Drawn_Ben Год назад
Company called Terror Threads made them
@mahogenynewton4776
@mahogenynewton4776 Год назад
Big fan I love the movie
@Mr49r1681
@Mr49r1681 Год назад
Saw Terrifier 2 during opening weekend. Regal has two shows in one theater. Amazed by the positive response from UK and European horror fans here. Does this mean the umbrella was lifted from that BBC Committee? Plus, no one in that UK audience asked about Art’s sidekick, The Pale Girl lol! 😈🤡🔪
@Badly_Drawn_Ben
@Badly_Drawn_Ben Год назад
The film hadn't released in the UK until the day after this Q&A. I'd seen it at the world premiere but barely anyone else in the audience had, so I didn't want to spoil anything
@iceskatejesus7413
@iceskatejesus7413 Год назад
DAMIEN IS THE NEW TOM SAVINI
@manuelfedericocachazasanju5294
START SHOOTING SOON THE THIRD PART !👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@user-uc8fz3cv3y
@user-uc8fz3cv3y Год назад
Halloween 2018 is 255 million but Halloween end is only 65 million i want to reboot this movie in next year don't ending like this!
@nikkimckay860
@nikkimckay860 Год назад
I loved watching Terrifer and art the clown is so brutal and nasty I loved it I really want to see Terrifer 2 and I enjoyed watching and listening to this live on stage interview art dose scare me through
@susiemeza7687
@susiemeza7687 Год назад
Part 3 more
@GuitarWithBrett
@GuitarWithBrett Год назад
I want to see Art vs Batman
@somersfamily
@somersfamily Год назад
Wait who messed up the joker?
@trevorhoward1008
@trevorhoward1008 Год назад
3:38 HAHAHA!!!
@samanthaghost
@samanthaghost Год назад
Terrifier 2 was THE horror movie of 2022
@susiemeza7687
@susiemeza7687 Год назад
Saw 1 2
@ilovecoryxkenshinsm
@ilovecoryxkenshinsm Год назад
5:18
@1Samuelmusic
@1Samuelmusic Год назад
Goat
@robertpreston2220
@robertpreston2220 Год назад
Hope they explain who and what art is and the little clown girl!
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 Год назад
Pale girl is a girl Emily that was killed, and demon that heals and revives Art is disguised as her, not really much story as you see
@robertpreston2220
@robertpreston2220 Год назад
@@donataspuidokas2601 that does not explain anything though? Why be disguised as her of all people? and why? and why guide art all of a sudden when he was never guided before?
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 4 месяца назад
@@robertpreston2220 there will be more explanations in T3, it'll explain why a demon guides Art and keeps him alive no matter what and will give hints of connection that are between Sienna's dad and Art, demon is disguised as pale girl because it's best for to entertain Art
@robertpreston2220
@robertpreston2220 4 месяца назад
@@donataspuidokas2601 Is Pale girl in the new one> I saw the cast and she is not mentioned. Maybe as the actress is much older now so they cant have her as she looks different. Looking forward to seeing it though and getting some answers
@donataspuidokas2601
@donataspuidokas2601 4 месяца назад
@@robertpreston2220 I was wondering too if actress will be changed but in many movies entire cast isn't always revealed, they might find ways how to display pale girl with same actress as director surely doesn't want to dissapoint her by not letting her act as pale girl again
@Metalpazallteway
@Metalpazallteway Год назад
They should've turned it into a musical... Like Sweeney Todd type of slasher
@AMARTmtz
@AMARTmtz Год назад
But art doesn’t even talk :(
@donflamingo1084
@donflamingo1084 Год назад
Definitely take over Friday the 13th
@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765
The scene where she was on the bed smashed to peices and still alive....
@astoria9506
@astoria9506 Год назад
so disturbing
@hecg83
@hecg83 Год назад
Lol so fake and unreal, any human being would’ve died or past out within seconds. 😂😂
@AMARTmtz
@AMARTmtz Год назад
@@hecg83 well yeah but i think it’s meant to kinda just be a wtf moment to kinda just laugh and be shocked by
@user-uc8fz3cv3y
@user-uc8fz3cv3y Год назад
yes best horror good!
@susiemeza7687
@susiemeza7687 Год назад
❤halloween 🎃
@Dreamcancel696
@Dreamcancel696 Год назад
Robbie rotten! That’s so satisfying
@Hippie_chic_at_heart
@Hippie_chic_at_heart Год назад
I’ve seen every scary movie (being that im born on Halloween 🤷🏼‍♀️) and I just went and saw the movie last night and my only complaint is it should of been Sooo Much more edited at the end ..it was drawn out for at least 30 Min to long ..it started to get just ridiculous…the chic coming back to life in the water ..just should of never happened ..and the little girl was hella creepy …something bout dead kids always has a scary touch to any movie
@susiemeza7687
@susiemeza7687 Год назад
A+1
@deadkennedy210
@deadkennedy210 9 месяцев назад
250k budget...grossed 15 million. Wow
@eduardoalvarez4405
@eduardoalvarez4405 Год назад
Damien Leone 😍😍hot guy
@kannancena3655
@kannancena3655 Год назад
The terrifier is a terrific movie🎃🤡
@Gascan619
@Gascan619 Год назад
Sickkkkkk!!!🤡
@amber-nj1eu
@amber-nj1eu Год назад
Team Halloween ends
@garyspring5981
@garyspring5981 Год назад
Halloween ends sucks this film was awesome eat some mash potatoes 🤣
@nanijohnson1578
@nanijohnson1578 Год назад
Movie was awesome ✅
@haroldslonaker9250
@haroldslonaker9250 Год назад
DHT should have just sat there and not said a word. Lol
@georgenelawson9917
@georgenelawson9917 Месяц назад
Its funny the similarities between art and Michael and terrifer two and Halloween ends both Michael and art like to victimize people and those people through the trauma would let the evil consume them or they will be messed up for life or both lol art got his little pale girl and Michael got his Corey or in rob zombie movies his Laurie or in thorn trilogy his jaime lol both got senses of humor art is obviously bit more hilarious and the kills lot more gross than Michael though he was getting there in blumhouse trilogy lol
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