Tesla Model Y vs RAV4 Hybrid: Lowest Cost of Ownership in 5 Years? 

I caught that !!!!

I knew something wasn't right because I called the other day to compare insurance and mine was going up 150 a month from my wifes 2015 Honda CRV EXL

The Electric Viking needs help: His wife has stage 4 cancer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D6Ah4IC4TLA.html

If the interest rate is low, the operasional saving of model Y maybe could make sense but if the interest rate is high the model Y may be don't make financial sense because of it's higher initial purchase price.

How about a ten-year comparison. Why just 5 years all the time.

Wow. That dealer markup is an eye opener. Especially if you consider that YOU, the buyer, get almost nothing for it.

@Vinny Lamoureux O Come On! The dealership provides you with the best looking staff in the office...and the best looking CEO. Money that makes everyone smile like Mary or Jim or...

Buy it in another state.

Dan Ri: He used the true car cost estimate. Using some extreme datapoint to try and make Tesla look better is nonsensical. What if he used an extremely cheap dealer to try and make Tesla look worse? See how that works?

@@niceguyrides I can and usually cross-shop out of state, but what about the boomers who just sign on the dotted line whenever someone tells them to?

If a gas station runs out of power you can’t pump gas either. I understand what you are saying here but I just totally disagree.

I agree that depreciation might be higher going forward, but I have to stick with the data that I have right now and calculate accordingly.

@@Cleanerwatt if Leasing the residual usually 50-60% of list @ 3 yrs.

@Cleanerwatt With the trend away from ICE, the depreciation coming for the gas car is going to be higher...and the EVs with better batteries in the future again making the non-constant costs lower.

Also, you should cosider depreciation only if you are 100% sure you will sell the car. Until you don't sell it, those dollars are virtual to say the least.

@@markotrieste: Yup. I tend to keep a car 15 years (not driving lots of miles), so I don't even worry about depreciation, as I tend to give the old car to someone who needs car in the end. (And I've had such people tell me the car was the best car they ever had, and get years of good overall service from it, in one case for over another decade).

anashi: Unless you have a time machine, you can only speculate / guess about future prices. Seriously, get real.

Same! I ended up ordering one through a local dealership came out TO $33k MSRP no mark up. They wanted $41k lol

True the dealership experience really kills the buying experience and that is where Tesla excels. The listing price is the price you pay. No secret deal add Ons or mark ups

My home 250v charge outlet was conveniently located right next to the breaker box which was right beside the car in the garage. It cost just under $250 to have installed.

It’s more like $1,500 if you live in house older than 25 years. Which is I believe majority in the US.

@vadskar64 Yes depending on where the panel is compared to where you park. And the size of the service running to your house the prices can vary wildly. My brothers house has the breakers in the kitchen. The detached garage is 75 feet away. A 7kw charger is going to be over $3000. If he’s ok with a 3 kw charger it will be closer to $1000.

exactly Although Tesla is not luxury bm mer audi class, its atleast premium like acura lexus or infi or above.

I think that's an unstated point in this comparison. The Model Y compares favorably on cost to popular trims of non-luxury vehicles. If you adjust the costs for the luxury vehicles' higher costs, the comparison is even more in the MY's favor.

With no plug, it's 100% gas powered.

Toyota RAV4 comes in HEV and PHEV variants. HEV can only cover some hundred meters in EV mode, and that energy all comes from the ICE, it's been recovered during braking or throttling. PHEV OTOH allows you to drive for about 60 km on pure EV, charged from the grid. You get the fuel economy of an EV with the range of an ICE. I love the concept, however one must bear in mind that it is more expensive than HEV and it's economy heavily depends on usage pattern.

Rhian: He compared the pure hybrid Rav4, NOT the Prime PHEV with a significant pure BEV mode. Lower price, but no tooling around town without burning gasoline for more than, say, a mile at low speed on occasion. I actually think the PHEV would have been a better comparison -- but the video didn't do that.

@@markotrieste: Wrong on the HEV capacity for BEV mode. On the interstate, down a long hill, for example, it might drive in BEV mode for a mile or so, based on the way a modern Honda Accord HEV behaves (and it uses the Toyota HEV system).

@@rogergeyer9851 Regular ICE vehicles cut off fuel injection on downhills also so it doesn't matter.

You got snubbed mate, dealer market adjustment is gouging and you got gouged.

@@Andre-mi6fkHe got gouged going with tesla? huh?

@@chrgav1286no difference from when telsa gouge their customers when they we’re changing $65k for model Y. Then Jan 2023 drop to $48k.

Not true. No more marking up. Selling at MSRP or below now.

That rav4 could last for couple decades

I was thinking about saving up and getting a new RAV4 as my Lexus is getting me 31mpg and full tank is 400 miles max

@@mandarinrasta6490 Cheaper to drive what you have. I drive my cars for at least 150K miles.

@@kevinmaxwell7761 I’m already at 220k miles 😅

Got the Kia Niro Hybrid and I can definitely relate. EV isn't where it needs to be just yet.

you....charge it at home ffs. cheaper and has 455 vs 203 horsepower what a joke. and better in every way other than gas/electric

A lot of wrong thin king in your comments. The US Govt tax credit is to encourage consumer uptake and lift the EV industry production run rate so that overall costs per unit fall. Thats it. Fortunately Tesla is doing this all on its own. You claim doing your own mechanical work saves money? Seriously if you do your own work and value your time at zero you may save but I doubt you value your time at zero. Of course with a EV there is no maintenance beyond tyres and electricity and wiper water......so that's a wash! Hence a ICE car costs more to maintain than EV by a much larger margin than claimed here. Musk also pointed out that US dealers and car companies make the money from parts that Tesla engineers out as does any smart EV company (there are some dumb one out there of course - capitalism will sort out the weaklings here?). Electricity costs are coming down due to renewables coming on the grid - of course in the SU you have energy monopolies gouging you between solar panel and car - but if that is how Americans want to run their country you can hardly blame EVs for bad public policy (personally I would blame the GOP & MAGA). Most driving is done from home where many can have home charging and systems are coming to allow others to access cheap renewables at home. The proliferation of charging spots everywhere like shopping centres will see energy being sold at low margins to draw customers into stay whilst charging. Same at many other locations like your workplace. SO electricity costs are not the bug bear you claim - but feel free to still pay fossil fuel monopoly prices if you wish....

@Economist from Hell Tesla fan boys always chime in. There is a lot of bias in your comments, but not any data or solid reasoning. I own a toyota that I bought used. I replaced the struts, shocks, and a door actuator motor when I bought it. The actuator motor costs me $6, and the struts/shocks were a couple hundred. These are both items that wear out at the same rate or faster in an EV. Tesla is not "right to repair" friendly, so those same parts would be thousands to fix on one of their cars. Other than that, I have only had to change oil for the last 20k miles. That costs about $25 each time, and I can do it in less time than most people spend driving to and from a service shop. I actually spend much less of my time, because i do my own maintenance. I will easily drive this car another 100k miles without spending $2k on maintenance. EVs used to have an expiration on the US Federal tax credit. This was, as you said, to give makers a chance to reach production levels to achieve a scale of economy so they could bring prices to parity with ice vehicles on their own. This still hasn't happened and may never happen because the government just gave them a new credit that doesn't expire. Meanwhile, ICE vehicles are being penalized by the government with gas taxes to pay for roads. EVs freeload off of the gas taxes paid by ICE drivers. EVs aren't getting cheaper, because they rely on scarce materials that aren't being recycled. The more EVs they build, the more the materials cost. They are working on replacements for those materials, but they aren't here yet. This is why there is no $25k 200+ mile EV available. They can only get those range numbers in overpriced faux luxury vehicles that have high markups already. They have to bury the cost of those materials in markups for options that nobody really needs. Electricity is not getting cheaper due to renewables. Most places charge you more if you want it to come from renewable energy. It's not free, it's a trade off. Materials and maintenance replace the cost of fuel. I'm not completely negative on EVs. I would like to have one, but not what I see on the market today. They aren't going to meet my needs. Aptera looks like a good option. They claim all the right specs and make the right promises, but broken promises are much more common than usable EVs. Even Tesla has more vaporware models than real ones.

Such a fantastic argument. True and well said.

fuel cost is just one part of the cost, there is only one cost that counts, and that's the total cost of ownership.

But your Rav4, on any trim, can’t do 0-60 4.8 seconds.

Thanks for the feedback. That would have made a lot of sense.

You are right. Wonder how often does a RAV4 shadow-brake.

alex kimmerly: NOT just on price -- on cost of ownership.

@@markotrieste I guess you are trying to make a joke about phantom breaking with the autopilot here, but RAV4 probably doesn't have a system with similar capabilites to the autopilot every Tesla driver can use for free. Yes phantom breaking exists still sometimes and can actually cause a problem, but this is extremely rare. Let's not forget for every incident you read about in the news there are a million cars having a nice travel with no incidents using autopilot. And as it is with every single driving assistance feature you still should be an attentive driver. But this isn't just for Tesla, but really for every system offered by any carmaker nowadays.

"...and safer." And will retain it's value better than its competitors if history is any measure. The crushing element here is very few if these competitors will survive if they cannot ramp, even if they have Lucid-like specs. "How many units/day?" is the* decider ...that puts you in the dessert, yes?

Do you have residential solar for home charging?

FYI, waiting on the MY. Took the plunge.

@@Remotesteve2 No. Unfortunately, I have the issue where my electric rates and usage are cheap enough that solar doesn't make sense on a cost savings basis. It would take 25+ years to pay for itself under optimistic conditions. I improved the insulation of my home and purchased a very efficient heat pump since I live in a cooling dominant environment. Got rid of all gas appliances. I am, however, considering a battery and inverter for backup through outages and maybe peak shaving to get somewhat lower rates. A small amount of solar for water heating might make sense.

@@Tanstaaflitis if you get the model y and a home ev charger you’ll probably spend enough where you save with solar

You will be surprised how many people drive to 400k, a small percentage. Most cars are designed to fall apart nowadays.

@@dragodavidCE”designed to fall apart” umm quite the opposite. Safety and Reliability are literally #1 and #2 around all mass market vehicle development goals.

If you want to cherry pick a scenario favouring the Rav4, go right ahead. Most people who own EV's charge them at home, because it's better in every way. Fast charging happens so rarely that it doesn't matter if it's slightly cheaper or more expensive than gasoline. And with regard to residual value, the Model Y battery is likely worth more as scrap than your 400k miles Rav4 in full working order. The minerals in that battery are a significant fraction of the price of the car, and they will be recycled. There's even a commodity spot price index on shredded batteries.

@@virtual-viking Stop cherry picking scenarios to make EV's look better than they are. There are more and more videos on RU-vid of EV owners regretting buying an EV. Also EV's are almost completely useless when the weather drops to real deep winter cold weather where all types of real life problems sky rocket with EVs and even with the super chargers. Not everyone ones a home with an optimal high speed charging set up. Then you see all the real life contastrafes with charging EVs even at 0 F and much worse at -10 F and they are useless and can take a day to charge at t supercharger if your battery is very low. So many people have to get their super EV towed to a super charger then wait a day to use one that is actually working as superchargers malfunction in real winter cold, not to mention that really cold drops an EV battery to drop usable distance way more than 50%. Too many problems to just assume EVs are a solutions for everything. Also when you get a fender bender with a Tesla it could cost 40,000 to repair if because of the special press used to make the car all one unibody part. A living nightmare with repair bills in almost any accident. I will pray for anyone who buys one.

@@UncompressedWAVmusic I'm sure a few people have had problems, but that is to be expected considering that millions of EV's have been sold by now. I live in Denmark where 1 in 8 new cars sold last year was a Tesla Model Y. Two weeks ago we had the worst blizzard in a decade. And at that time it felt like there were even more Teslas on the road than usual. I figure it was because most of them have 4x4, which is otherwise rare. I haven't seen or heard about any of the problems with the cold. Neither have I experienced anything beyond maybe 25% range degradation in my 9 years of driving an EV. What I _do_ recall though, is having to get out of bed an hour early, because of ICE cars that had difficulty starting during cold mornings, and needing to run idle with the key in the ignition to melt the ice off. Something that my EV's can do remotely without having to get out of bed. I'm pretty sure I have way more 1st hand experience with ICE cars that you have with EV's, and I have no desire to go back.

Wait until after elections, Biden is artificially lowering gas prices to get elected

Many places in the USA pay less. That is the average.

All day every day including Sunday

Have you seen other accidents where drivers instantly died in Tesla? Because driver "trusted" auto pilot. Shouldn't base your judgment based on one accident result only.

Lol, Tesla’s are complete garbage 😂. GTFOH Tesla Fanboi, go checkout all the Tesla graveyards full of useless Tesla’s. Toyota on Top & that’s facts. Give me a rav4 Prime any day over the shitty Tesla’s. Safety, you mean the self driving into wall, poles or the ones catching fire 😂

@@googleuser211 no haven’t seen those Can you link

That alone makes it a good case of being safe but doesnt make it no contest

We have M3 and RAV4 hybrid. RAV4 would be better on bad roads and long trips and gets no extra attention which is nice.

@@cifey thanks. That makes me feel better. I was thinking of getting the M3 for our sedan after I see the Highland refresh, and keeping the Rav4 for road-trips. Are u enjoying the 3?

@@matthew4725 M3 is great for me. Relatively Sporty to drive even for the RWD. 1 pedal drive should be the standard for all vehicles as it's safer than auto creep. It has some learning curve, so not everyone will just hop in and go like I did. Needs better usability about stuff like Locking the doors, What gear it's in, AC adjustments User Profile switching Once you get used that it it's ok. ICE engines seem old fashioned at this point..

why you said you should have waited for model y? we are not considering a hybrid vs model Y in canada. It's been another year since your comment, what are your thoughts now? Thanks.

Bruce: Agreed. I wondered why not do the comparison for a RAV4 Prime, which is actually more of an "EV", especially for people who do the vast majority of their driving around town, and therefore maybe 95% of their overall mileage in pure BEV mode. So little gasoline burned, but a higher price.

RAV4 prime is much more expensive plus a fat dealer markup.

TIME is important and so the 5 yr period is* conspicuous: only one of these cars is going to get OTA updates (possibly longer than 5 yrs) and a 10 yr period might really make the ICE car look bad. In 15 yrs will we see any ICE cars?

The EV would typically charge at home or possibly during shopping trips and such and generally would save time for most of the year when using for basic commutes. That's a lot of time not going to the gas station weekly. I think it outweighs or at least balances with the extra stops and time changing on the rarer long trips and charging an EV.

The model 3 long range was great for our road trips. From Los Angeles to Utah, total stops to charge added an hour and 45 minutes. But these are stops I would have made regardless. Once in Eddie’s World, which I always stop to use their restrooms, once in Las Vegas, which was out lunch break. And then once somewhere in south Utah. The Utah stop was like 25 minutes for most of the charge.

Sure charging the electric on those rare long drives that surpass the range will take longer. But on the other hand you don't have to make those weekly, or more frequent, gas station stops. Charging at home will save a ton of time wasted standing around waiting for gas to pump that everyone already does.

I save a ton of time per year by not getting gas or oil.

Lol many won’t be able to afford a 58K plus car

⁠@@GTIZmoKiDDLol many can’t afford 44k+ too.

RAV4 has a 5 star safety rating too.

Do you guys don’t experience phantom braking in the EU? I have almost been rear ended at least 3 times for the tesla braking for no reason in the highway.

Really he should have supplemented his research data by calling up a few Toyota dealerships

Jens: In the real world, I held onto a $40 3G phone for MANY years, because an entire year of operation cost me $106 ($100 plus sales tax), for a pay as you go for all the talk and text I needed. MUCH cheaper than a data plan for a smart phone, MUCH LESS the cost of a fancy smart phone, especially from Apple. In the real world when I was recently forced to go to a 4G phone, I just got a $50 flip phone, and STILL save significantly with a low cost data plan each month, and am not buying a fancy Apple smart phone costing in the ballpark of $1000 or so. Acting like fancy Apple cell phones are CHEAP to run is insane. How is a car stressful to look at again? Having just a screen, which is a BIG distraction problem while driving (sub-menus, etc) IS far MORE stressful than having well designed knobs. Get a grip.

@@rogergeyer9851 i’m a mental trainer and please don’t just survive or stay alive! Upgrade yourself, raise your standard 🙏

​@@rogergeyer9851 I agree with you. The only thing pushing me away from a Tesla is that everything is controlled from 1 screen and you don't even get a dash in front of you. Voice command exists but why do I have to speak when I can just press a button? Not having button would stresses me out trying to find it in a menu than having a bunch of buttons everywhere

I really love my MYP. Now I'm waiting for my Aptera. BTW, want make people laugh when you see them around your Tesla on Sentry Cam? Push the fart button and enjoy their reaction.

My RAV 4 can take me to the mountains on some pretty washed out roads that would highside a Model Y… could care less about 0-60 times.

@@niceguyrides good for you. Nothing wrong with using your car for a specific adventure. I’m talking to the ones that’s looking for Evs and love tech as well. This is not for you

Buttons. I want buttons that I can switch without taking the eyes off the road.

@@markotrieste Good for you if that’s what you want. there is something call voice commands it works well too

In Australia this will be the case. There will be a per-kilometer cost (or tax) because the state can't collect any taxes from petrol or diesel that nobody is buying.

Jackson T: At some point they HAVE to charge BEV owners some sort of mileage based fee to pay for the roads, unless they plan to go to something completely different, re taxing for road maintenance. But things change over time -- not just that.

2021 Model Y Long Range AWD $31,700 with only 34k miles, this is in my area of California

With 57k€ you get the RAV4 PHEV, which will use way less fuel. The most expensive HEV RAV4 is about 50k€.

@@markotrieste A Non-PHEV version of RAV4 Hybrid Lounge 4x4 is listed at 56.590€ in Germany, with metallic paint added which is standard (white metallic) with Model Y, it costs 57.380€. And the estimated WLTP consumption is rated at 6.0L/100km which is even more than what used above for calculation. The PHEV version is listed at 66.790€.

We have 2 Teslas. Cost for home charging installation $450. Would have been less but we had a 50 foot run from our junction box.

NiceGuyRides: Agreed. In the real world with Toyotas in general, in 5 years of driving you might only do oil changes, a set of tires, some fluid and filter changes, and maybe a 12V battery. Realistically, to approach the $5000+ area for maintenance, that's more like in 12 or more years of Toyota sedan (not the RAV4, I know, but I'm a sedan person) ownership for me, and I've been owning such cars for over 40 years now. And that includes the first one that wasn't even fuel injected, had lots of body rust from winter, etc.

@@rogergeyer9851 eheh my 12 volt battery on a 2007 Toyota Auris lasted almost 11 years…

I have a RAV4 Trd and I keep circling back to trading it on for a Tesla but I only owe 20k remaining and I would dig myself deeper if I go for the Tesla Y. Only reason why I want it is I have solar in my house and the fact that I will wake up to a fully charged car everyday not having to drive to the gas station anymore

@@GTIZmoKiDD a Tesla cannot replace my RAV4 because of ground clearance, and the AWD system on tha RAV4 is second to none. I actually use my SUV as an SUV. If I replace a car, It would be my wife’s Insight, but it gets 45mpg, so the economics become even worse. I would love an EV but it just doesn’t make financial sense just to skip a 5 minute trip to the gas station. Although it would be nice.

@@niceguyrides exactly lol. Maybe in the future but for now I think I’ll be sticking with the Rav4 aswell

My thought is that, even if you don't own an electric vehicle, you still have to pay the fixed charges for the connection to your home, and such it's not fair to add them into the cost of wanting electric vehicle.

Tesla's batteries degrade by 6% each 100k miles. Fairly negligible but worth mentioning.

@@ShamanNoodles then why are there hundreds of teslas on the road with 250k+ mi and still single digit battery degradation? lol

@@FrenchyTube3 this is what Tesla says, themselves. I'm sure it's an understatement to be certain. EV batteries also age more greatly over time than over mileage, so it's kind of a weird statement either way.

@@ShamanNoodles whatever you say lol

@@FrenchyTube3 Okay, Elon fanboy. How's that Dogecoin "investment" treatin ya?

sergelbergeron: But that depends on where you live. Many apartment dwellers can't charge at home, or can't do so conveniently/consistently. So that very much depends, which is part of the reason things get better for BEV's in the long run, as charging infrastructure gradually improves during the BEV buildout, which will take decades.

@@rogergeyer9851 i just think it is worth mentioning that Superchargers rates are certainly not 16 cents/KW. Thus the comparison is not exact and be misleading.