What is fascinating is how the regen breaking was almost able to nulify the presence of hills on the test run graph. So, the efficiency over the entire trip was practically the same as the efficiency over just the flat part of the journey. This will probably remain true regardless of the peak elevation during the trip, if the starting and ending locations have similar elevation. Truly remarkable :)
@@HansCSchellenberg If we assume overall energy density of 200 Wh/kg, which is fair, then 1 MWh would be arround 5 tonnes or arround 12000 pounds. Let's say the truck is another 12000 pounds so in all 24000 pounds of the truck itself. This leaves arround 60000 pounds of payload which is still significant. But the main point is, I guess, that added weight does not affect the efficiency that much, nor the cost of moving the load.
The master stroke - central driver position…… so Semi could sell into US (left hand drive) or UK (right hand drive) type markets without the need for “versions” - brilliant thinking! Oh yeah and it’s a clever mode of transport. 👍🇳🇿
Nope, it doesn't work like that. American truck design only works... in america. Different regulation. In america, only the payload size count, while in europe, the whole truck lenght count. So american truck cabines looks much bigger. They'll need an european version if they're serious about it. Unless the european market is OK with losing a bit quantity over a nice electric solution.
Imagine how quickly the cancel culture, and its enablers Google & Apple would change, if Elon bought and modernised BlackBerry into "smart +" (Not just smart) Phones, then enabled them to use Star Link exclusively for internet and wireless communications. Oh and Twitter only be available for free on the new Starlink/BlackBerry network
I would like to know the turn radius of this truck, any trucker knows the main benefit of a daycab truck is usually it has a shorter wheel base and can make much tighter turns and get into tighter areas to make deliveries, very useful when delivering into urban areas; for example: New York and its burrows, Chicago, etc. Driving a full size semi with a sleeper cab into areas like these are doable, but can be a nightmare.
The turning radius will be the same as any other truck of the same wheelbase, but of course they don't give the wheelbase. Although it is only a daycab, the "500 mile" version is extended to accommodate more battery, so it has the length of a short sleeper cab.
“A nightmare” is putting it lightly lol. There’s nothing worse than seeing “New Jersey” on the preload… but as you said it is doable, but i imagine there are a lot of places around that simply can’t accommodate a full size truck but this certainly wouldn’t hurt anything in that regard…
Hello this is a message from the future of October 2023. Recent testing has given us much more insight on the specs including turning radius, which has been quoted as being as good or better than the turning radius of a model Y. I hope that helps answer the question. There's been a lot of real world testing and feedback from drivers and the drive on less truck event last month which tested all the electric semis on the market now against each other for three weeks straight. Cheers
Another fire hazard on the highway.a wreck hope your not around when the battery packs start leaking and one spark it will explode.wow people are not thinking just brain washed.
My dude.... With peace and love, a "slam dunk of an event," really??? Come on... LOL. The presenters were painfully awkward throughout the presentation, and their PowerPoint failed to open right out of the gate... 😂😂
It has one other advantage. It will allow them to sell in any market right hand drive or left hand drive from 1 production line. Of course that is years down the road yet.
Problem is it will only be good for solo drivers already driving. Won't be able to train since it's one seat and won't be able to team drive which most companies like of course until batteries get more efficient team driving is mute anyway. Driver training is the biggest issue atm
9 years experience trucker here, for me personally not a fan, sometimes I need to stick my head out when doing certain backing maneuvers because it's to dark, rainy or snowing and my seat being next to door helps me get in and out of the truck fast while swapping trailers/making deliveries.
I should’ve read this first. LOL. I know this is a recording from the live stream, but for goodness sake, they really could’ve cut it off before it was posted to RU-vid.
@@danielwhyatt3278 I think live streams are posted immediately after the end of a live event automatically. You can see it happen after SpaceX launches, and whenever a stream breaks for any reason. A subsequent resumption creates a new stream.
Besides the amazing work for this new generation of trucks, I cannot stop admiring the simplicity and authenticity of the presentation! Far from the usual VIP ceremony, no dress code, no claps coordinator... It feels so natural and approachable, such a great atmosphere!
Just look at the guys from PepsiCo, I have nothing against them and they are great, but note that they are the only one wearing a suit (no tie at least). Also... the music is great!
@@videojeroki that's because Musk literally only opens these events to his fan club. Press is always conspicuously absent because they ask too many questions he doesn't want to have to answer - such as what the hauling capacity is.
@@ryhanon7 it is a company product presentation, the press has nothing to do here. the "fan club" here are the employees, suppliers, partners, clients,... why on earth would you invite the medias (or politicians)? no one care about their opinion.
My 2nd chance to watch this presentation! 1,000 V Power System! GreatGreat job. LookingLooking forward to seeing these rigsrigs on the road! Thanks Tesla!
Nice! It’s a start. Brands like Tesla has the power of transform the industry, you doing right. That huge screen for mirrors and infotainment looks sick. Well done!
haulage companies dont give a crap about infotainment or cup holders. you get paid by load and time and this can only carry half of what a diesel truck can and takes twice as long.
The telsa semis should have a heads-up display. It keeps the drivers eyes looking straight ahead and improves comfort instead of looking to the side screens. Also all teslas should implement hud's.
This is another one of those moments when as a competitor engineer, you feel yourself sinking through the floor. As in, why them and not us. I really really wonder how the hierarchy works at Tesla. Free the mind, and imagine the impossible.
MAIN POINT ON THE TRUCK! Not stating the weight? Not publishing it costs 150% more to run per mile (TON/MILE IS WORSE) USING MUSKS FIGURES! (the cheap car ones EVEN) Not saying hey your battery will be 80% if you use it for one year with one driver! Less if it drives more hours! less if you use fast charging! 🤦♂🤣 You can see the sickophants are as ignorant as they are fanatical!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Fanaticism would be being blind to data. We watch all data and we bet for progress, even if first results aren't as good as we would want. And we truly know that it is the beginning of this meaningful journey.
@@lab.growth Well thats the thing musk fans are not able to understand even basics facts about the topic than him, hes an idiot who has bad ideas and tries to claim he actually does the engineering! LOL NO! He is a delusional liar at best and out right con man! How is he not charged since he is far worse than Elizabeth Homes or the The NICOLA guy!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 You and me are not probably the best to say if he does engineering or not. Anyway, for saying what you say, you need solid arguments. If not, you are acting just like the blind fans you mention.
@@lab.growth Well yes i can. I could say the first time I heard about him trying to do a hyper tube he was an idiot for thinking it would work and his "its really not that hard" is pure IGNORANCE! What do you want solid evidence for? HIS HYPER TUBE BEING A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE? His fake solar tiles that he lied about when they didnt exist? His trucks by 2017? His self driving car? DO YOU REALISE SONAR IS A STUPID IDEA FOR THIS? I DID WHEN I HEARD IT! His stupid idea to take all the worlds space payloads to space once every two years? ROCKETS INSTEAD OF PLANES! LOL You will notice these didnt happen and his plans where absolute stupid! most of which just need common sense!
The Rocinante, A lot of people think that 1,000 volt battery, then 1,000 volt charger running DC power into the truck. Do they have to do that? Or can they do something that will be easier? Such as feeding the truck 3,000 volt AC 3 phase power, then convert that power to DC to actually charge the battery on the truck. The power cord they showed off has 8 wires to conduct the power, and two cooling lines inside the outer covering, to keep the wires from getting to hot. To get 1,000,000 watts at 1,000 volts is 1,000 amps. That is a lot of amps. Changing to 3 phase and 3,000 volts, that can reduce the amperage to a much easier to manage 200 amps.
Good job Tesla and team, beautiful and well done car. I see that you had put a lot of sweat and hours and it paid off. Even if your face don’t appear on the video, to you my fellow engineers: Congratulations!!. I’m proud of you!!.
Going to be a lot easier to find drivers for these things. It takes less skill and physical excursion / fitness to dive this thing. Drivers that had to give up their career for health reasons might be able to get back to work. On the health side you are also not breathing fumes all the time.
this is just a marketing gimmick, i don’t see this being 100% functional soon the only reason why i say this is because they don’t want to mention how much it can handle.
I'm interested to know, and iv noticed. Elon said something about the truck it overtook whislt it had 80k pounds of load. Now iv looked at the load, thats about 6 concrete slabs which you find on high ways during road works. This weigh between 500kg to a tonne for that size. So was the semi carrying 6 tonnes only? If so, how much does the semi weigh itself if the total weight added up to 80k pounds?
At what point do you see "6 concrete slabs" as the load? At 16:47 there is an example of 11 concrete barriers at something over 4,000 pounds each. But yes, the tare weight (weight of truck by itself) is important information which should have been provided.
@@brianb-p6586 could be my wrong counting. Now the concrete barriers do vary in weight and 4600lbs isn't the standard weight. Some are less. See, now because tesla wants clear, we are left to speculate haha. Would be good to know if the truck was fully loaded at 81k constantly because if you noticed, the load did change, initially had pallets. So additional questions, was the load constant throughout the 500miles
@Tee M various trucks and loads are shown in the promotional video. I think it's reasonable to assume that the trailer was not changed in the 500 mile demonstration run.
@@brianb-p6586 I can't just assume though. We need the full video and weigh ins too, think that will definitely answer most of my questions. Atm all we can do I guess is speculate.
27:30 "You wanna tell em or you want me to tell em?" This was a great event, just the way these guys talked with each other and looked at each other the entire thing was absolutely fantastic, lol.
Not sure what's so exciting about a charger that will still take an hour or more to charge the semi battery when a diesel truck takes 20 minutes to fully refuel and only has to do so once every 2k miles. But I guess the bar *is* pretty low for Elon fan boys.
@@ryhanon7 Well, it's fast enough considering that you need a whole day to drive it from 100% to empty. Eventually every human has to eat, take a break or even sleep. It's a fact that you don't need 2k mi range, because you can't even use this much range effectively - also if you're working in shifts with a second operator.
@@_luca308_ That's not entirely accurate. First of all, the average trucker today drives between 600-650 miles per day - the Tesla semi is a 20-30% reduction in daily range on average. Also, the 2k mile range *does* matter because it means you only have to stop and fuel once every 2-3 days and only once or twice along an entire coast to coast delivery. Whereas with a Tesla semi you're stopping to refuel *every single day* and you'd have to do so 6 times on a coast to coast delivery - and with each recharge taking so much longer than a diesel refueling stop you'd be adding *days* to each long haul delivery. Secondly, even today with diesel trucks, there are often long lines waiting to fuel up and they have a *FAR* more robust infrastructure than Tesla does to charge these semis which take at *minimum* 3x longer to charge (at 1hr with their "coming soon" 1mw chargers) than a diesel vehicle does to refuel from empty (at just 20 minutes). What happens when you're third in line waiting to recharge at a Tesla semi charger? You're waiting at least 3 hours - and that's only if it happens to be one of the newfangled 1mw chargers - if it's using the next best thing Tesla has right now, it's 4 hours to charge each semi - so you're burning more than a whole extra day just waiting to charge your vehicle. And considering these Tesla trucks have a lower maximum hauling capacity compared to a similar diesel vehicle, any company wanting to implement them would need to have a significantly larger fleet just to maintain the same delivery volume - and those deliveries would be *slower* than if they used diesel (on account of less range and longer recharge times). This is just not practical for long distance deliveries at all. Shorter range deliveries *maybe* - but even then, because of the reduced cargo capacity, I have my doubts it would be of much benefit.
@@ryhanon7 I also guess you didn't watch the video.. 81,000 pounds, 500 miles traveled, used 93% of charge, and didn't charge a single time, even though the driver exited the vehicle for a restroom break. These trucks will be perfect for drivers who are back home every day. For example, warehouse to grocery store trips, and the driver is back home after an 8 hour day and 2 deliveries of goods to your local Food Lion(s). Semis do not get a 2000 mile range, and even if they did, that 2000 miles does not get used in one sitting, so it's irrelevant. Why would a semi even carry the extra weight/fuel for a 2000 mile range when they are still limited to 11 hours a day. Extra weight for literally no purpose at all? Yeah, that's not a thing buddy, because it doesn't make sense to carry less payload because you need 3 days worth of fuel, lol. My absolute favorite truck is a Peterbilt 379, by the way. But these semis will do just fine for short hauls. They'll actually do better for short hauls with the extra acceleration. You're just a hater who doesn't know what you're talking about, Mr. 2000 Miles
The average haulage journey for artic trucks in the UK is 150km so that battery length of 500mil smashes that but a two way journey London to Scotland is 400-500 miles so would be cutting it fine. Important part would be being able to recharge and start to turn back. Obviously drivers can only drive for a certain amount of time but they should be able to drive up, charge quick enough and start heading back ?
Sorry I mean a journey from London to Scotland is 4-500 miles each way so that's why you would be cutting it fine in one hit and then want to turn around and head back making it a two way journey you would need to charge but would the charge time be efficient enough for you to start to head back within the allotted driving hours a trucker can drive
The real life range is not 500 miles. It can possibly be 500 miles if you don't carry a heavy load and run the battery to 0 miles. In real terms, the lorry will be running down to 30% if you want to save the battery life. That's 350 miles. Now throw on a heavier load of cargo. Well..300 miles. Now we need expensive infrastructure to charge these energy demanding trucks. Expensive and challenging for the grid. We're far from what we thought the truck is.
@@random13627 If you listened to the presentation, the brakes at the bottom of the descent at Donner Pass were cold, because the regenerative braking puts the energy back in the battery instaed of having to use the brakes.
@@random13627 regenerative braking essentially turns your wheel into an alternator using electromagnetic force to slow the vehicle down vs the physical friction of a traditional brake system
Love the cockpit. Put you right in the center of the road. Radical maybe but very estute as there is a navigator seat in the back. Congrats after 5 years getting the Semi on the prowl.
It's always nice to see technology advancing in a positive direction👍, frito-lay and Pepsi himm does someone have the munchies? I hope nobody over pack those potato chips in the back of that truck, at those altitudes differentials 😂
This generation especially the USA is so lucky to have this guy, who is a billionaire and who is not thinking of showing off his money instead showing off his brain geniuses.
The Semi & trailer brakes are only needed/used for emergency level deceleration and parking. As you can hear, the two axels and three motors are doing all normal acceleration and regenerative braking.
Most brakeing is done with engine brakes right now as it is. Which only brakes the tractors drive axels. A not badly load balanced trailer doesn't need seperate braking outside of inclement weather. It's fine man.
Wow! Thanks for the detailed statistics! A true industrial game changer for safety, efficiency, environmental quality of life all across America. Semper Decimus!
@@ryhanon7 Typical Hyperactive American response with a mix of attention deficit disorder. Elon Musk motivation and purpose of developing the Electric Cars & Trucks is to reduce carbon emissions to improve the environment, and not the "Trucking Industry" per se. As I stated, this is an Industrial Game Changer in terms of safety, efficiency, and environmental quality, and if you missed that you obviously have attention deficit disorder. Get diagnosed please.
@@davidakin9629 wow, what an absurd response. First of all, I'm all for reducing emissions and improving the environment - but this does neither of those things for several reasons, here are two big ones: 1) If this doesn't make good sense for the trucking industry (which you so casually dismissed) then adoption will be dismally low, doing nothing for the environment. 2) If you need 3x as many trucks to haul the same amount of cargo that means you're regularly charging batteries for a whole lot of trucks. Batteries which are ultimately powered by carbon emitting power stations. But yeah, you keep stroking Elon's ego all you want buddy. These things are a pipe dream and Elon is conning all of you.
They ended up at the same altitude as they started so the energy lost and gained has canceled out. The battery is just as empty as if the road was flat.
@@DEBOSSGARAGE I think semi truck drivers wouldn't like to sit there and charge especially if they can't make it to a station than what? Even with what we call "shuttle" drivers they would be annoyed with charging
@@daniele_go grew up around truck drivers my whole life, had family members who are truck drivers and now own a warehouse/over the road business and I worked in warehouses during my college years with drivers all day.
On the test drive they showed it looks like it even drove through my city! Wish I could have seen it, but, I doubt it would have been particularly easy given that it was only one truck there for a small, unannounced period of time on the highway.
Smooth quiet trucks, massive torque for uphill hauls, regeneration going downhill without using brakes. At the Long Beach docks, no more wasting fuel idling in long lines waiting to load up. Driver can stand up in cab, with plenty of room for personal stuff inside. Way less fatigue by NOT having to shift gears or missing a gear going downhill. This SEMI is a BIG DEAL.
LOL. Like how? Im waiting for them to put out numbers like how much time does it actually take to charge these things or how much the semi actually weight without cargo. Without those numbers you sheep have nothing. Have fun driving 2-4 times the same route with a semi to deliver same cargo that you would with a diesel truck and charging it for a day every time you need to charge it. You think any trucking company is gonna go for this. Meanwhile the other makers have already put out their own electric powered delivery trucks because that is the extent you can push this. Only idiots would think this will be used for regular trucking.
The world of heavy duty Trucking will never be the same, safety, efficiency, reliability and comfort. The environmental ramifications are as well epic.
There’s no gears to miss in almost all other trucks. Because they are automatics now. The breaking is a big difference as well as being able to have the power to pull your load up the hills.
Watch what happens in winter with these batteries lol lol . people think there so smart and yes all vehicles will wreck on ice .Elon says they won't jacknife on ice they will .and there will be exploding batteries watch .no one seeing the none safety factor.See Elon cannot relate to what a person who is responsible and qualified to drive a semi knows.Elon doesn't know it all.cant jacknife I will proof him wrong .put the semi on a icy highway watch what happens.people who are not on the trucking industry are clueless
@David Henry No I haven’t but that doesn’t mean I don’t know how hard it is. All they want to make is Totally automated computerized trucks. I’m currently driving a 2015 Cascadia Stick shift.
In that real world test, it looks like there are around 12-14 600kg boxes. Which would be around 7200-8400kg of load... Could Tesla give some numbers on how much the truck weights and what's the max load it can carry?
@JZ's BFF There's nothing suspicious about it. The numbers are not good. If the numbers were good, they would roll them out on a red carpet for everyone to see.
Work out solar panel cladding for the (dedicated fleet) trailer tops. Driving all day collecting significant sunlight plus keeping the trailer contents cooler. 60x8ft.
put the solar infrastructure at the charging points, less weight to carry between. solar on vehicle only makes sense when the vehicle sits idle for significant amount of daily time, where as semi-trucks want to be to utilized\driven as much as possible
Trailers are cheap, not used as consistently as trucks, and often not even owned by the company that owns the truck. Nothing is installed on a trailer if it can be avoided... I'm sure that some wouldn't have brakes or lights if the cheapest operators thought they could get away with it. Cameras? No.
err dude made a truck that can only carry a fraction of a normal truck... 5years later than promised.. and no one is going to get their pre-orders.. but sure..
@@magicker8052 They are capable of carrying the maximum payload allowed. Also, the initial launch date was 2019. I don't get why people pretend that it's a problem that they don't make it to the projected date because it was simply not possible
watched this whole thing with a smile on my face. Remarkable achievement and a huge development for road transport. I get the impression truckers are going to love the TS
It would have been interesting to hear about safety features: - lane assist - collision prevention - autonomous driving - … Surprised to see nothing being mentioned in this event