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Tesla Solar Roof vs Solar Panels: Which is Worth It? Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code UNDECIDED at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: incogni.com/undecided Some of you may have seen Marques Brownlee’s video from a few months back about how he hasn’t paid for electricity in a year because of his Tesla Solar Roof. But…this got me wondering why I’m still not seeing a lot of Tesla Solar Roofs around. I first hit on this issue in a video two years ago, and since then I’ve only seen one Solar Roof in my old neighborhood in Massachusetts … compared to dozens and dozens of homes with solar panels. I’ve also been asked a lot as to why I didn’t get a Solar Roof on my brand new house.
Well, I thought it might be interesting to compare my house to another house from here in New England that does have a Solar Roof. A friend of the channel, Paul Braren, invited me into his house to check out his setup. Both his system and my system were installed last year, so I thought it’d be really interesting to compare the two, the reasons why we did what we did, the costs, and our initial thoughts. By the end, maybe we’ll be able to figure out an answer to my question…why aren’t we seeing more solar roofs?
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@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Месяц назад
Would you go with a Tesla Solar Roof like Paul did, or go with standard solar panels like I did? Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code UNDECIDED at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: incogni.com/undecided If you liked this, check out Is a Geothermal Heat Pump Worth It? My Net Zero Home ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-onmLrUh2cHU.html
@user-pt5dm2zd2w
@user-pt5dm2zd2w Месяц назад
A German solar company has better solar roof tiles than Tesla
@crefel2300
@crefel2300 Месяц назад
@@user-pt5dm2zd2w yes! Aleos solroof system looks great and is more efficient its comparable to standard panels
@thorpie2206
@thorpie2206 Месяц назад
My lord. Going Solar in the USA is so expensive. In Australia you can. Get a high quality 13kw system installed on an existing roof for around $10,000 AUD or the equivalent of $6,500 USD. By professionals with a fantastic warranty.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon Месяц назад
@@thorpie2206 yep, about 800 euros per kw in spain/portugal
@einarmikkelsenPNW
@einarmikkelsenPNW Месяц назад
If you have the space for it, neither. Go for a ground mount. It is easily accessible, runs cooler and more efficient, you can seasonally change their angle, and shield crops growing below them from sun. Agrivlataic for the win!
@jeremybrowning8302
@jeremybrowning8302 Месяц назад
I spoke to 2 installers in the Ohio area about the Solar Roof. Both quoted me prices around $180k which is about half the value of my home. So there was just no way to justify that cost.
@jeremybrowning8302
@jeremybrowning8302 Месяц назад
This was for a 24kw system. I still considered it, BUT ran into an issue where I could not find ANY solar loan companies that would go over $120k as maximum loan amount.
@MGiosparky
@MGiosparky Месяц назад
180k!!!! I’m an installer / owner in Cincinnati. For 180k, I could power my neighborhood! What in the world were you having quoted?
@cp37373
@cp37373 Месяц назад
@@MGiosparky don’t forget people often times put bad information out there to try and suit their narrative
@dash7599
@dash7599 Месяц назад
@@MGiosparky In the video, it costed him 150k, so seems like its in the correct ballpark
@olmurabis
@olmurabis Месяц назад
@@MGiosparky This reminds me of the time I got a quote from a body shop for dent removal. I wanted them to do it “paintlessly” - no respray after pulling out the dent. The quote was really high so I passed on it. Later on I found out that this was their way of saying they didn’t want the job.
@derekthesolarboi
@derekthesolarboi Месяц назад
As a solar service technician, you absolutely nailed it with your reasoning. Servicing is a huge consideration that would make me steer people away from Tesla products by default. Non-standard parts combined with only being able to get service from a single place is an enormous gamble.
@ageofdoge
@ageofdoge Месяц назад
I think there is still a trade off in upkeep. The Tesla solar tiles can be replaced individually. If I got panels than had to redo my roof that's a much bigger issue.
@derekthesolarboi
@derekthesolarboi Месяц назад
@@ageofdoge As a service guy, you absolutely want to have something that more companies are able to repair. A repair to a Tesla roof will not be fast, and it won't be cheaper out of warranty.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 Месяц назад
And regardless of how divided the different branches of the company might possibly be, one of the things I think of when I hear "Tesla" is the utter piss poor repairability of their cars. The struggle to find a service center that can do the work, and the insanely long wait to get parts in to perform the work. And that's assuming they will even do the work at all! That is absolutely *_NOT_* the experience I want when it comes to my roof. I'll definitely take a standard roof serviceable by any quality roof company along with solar panels also serviceable by any quality company. Tesla can go pound sand.
@Blaze6108
@Blaze6108 Месяц назад
Yep. I work in tech, and I immediately became suspicious of Tesla's lofty stated goals when I saw that everything is so proprietary and vertically integrated and Apple-like. If you actually wanted something to be widespread, the n.1 thing you would do would be massively standardizing everything to the utmost degree. Companies clearly don't like doing this given that they only became serious about it when the European Union threatened to pull out the legal nukes (and eventually did).
@derekthesolarboi
@derekthesolarboi Месяц назад
@@Blaze6108 The same problem exists with solar companies like Enphase and SolarEdge, too.
@Ravespillo
@Ravespillo Месяц назад
I put a Tesla solar system in last year, and because I went through Tesla's site for a quote, but worked with a local roofing contractor I was done in 5 weeks from initial contact, including PTO for a 20 kW system with 4 powerwalls and 3 inverters. The whole install process took about 10 days and the rest of the time I was waiting on PTO and a few final touches. I cannot stress enough what a difference it made to have a wonderful, quality local contractor that did a fantastic job. The whole thing has been running flawlessly since they completed it and I never had to deal with Tesla directly.
@pewpeww556
@pewpeww556 13 дней назад
How much did you pay?
@carloscontreras3633
@carloscontreras3633 6 дней назад
This guy? Why type all that without sharing your cost?….
@joep5170
@joep5170 Месяц назад
EXCELLENT report Matt! 100% agree on all you said! I did not get because they are opaque about performance (besides no installers in my area). To add, your comment about "very personal decision" is key. I tell anyone interested there is NO "one size fits all".
@trevorksanders
@trevorksanders Месяц назад
I think it is because the Solar Roof wing of Telsa is terrible. I signed a contract for a roof, heard nothing for months, then got an email saying the cost was increasing by more than 50% without anyone ever coming out to my house. I decided to just cancel.
@causaestmalleus4605
@causaestmalleus4605 Месяц назад
A lot of tesla is terrible, and it starts at the top of the company.
@justinfowler2857
@justinfowler2857 Месяц назад
​@@causaestmalleus4605Rot from the top or is it fascism?
@mattbrew11
@mattbrew11 Месяц назад
The entire solar operation inside tesla is dogshit awful.
@Blackinterceptor999
@Blackinterceptor999 Месяц назад
@@justinfowler2857not everything you disagree with is fascist, a dictionary would help with that.
@timwildauer5063
@timwildauer5063 Месяц назад
Much of this is because of local regulations and codes. You have to go with licensed installers, and not many companies are willing to go through that process since demand is low. Tesla cant send the same team all over the country installing roofs because of those local regulations. Could they help make things easier? Yes. But it’s not nearly as simple as you think it is.
@hiagftd
@hiagftd Месяц назад
After watching Mr. Brownlee's video, I contacted Tesla and received the contact information of a local installer. Our house is much smaller than Mr. Brownlee's home, so I figured we might be able to afford it. The quote came back at about 25% more than what Mr. Brownlee paid! It was over a half of the value of our house. Needless to say, it immediately fell outside of our budget.
@phlogistanjones2722
@phlogistanjones2722 Месяц назад
Mr. Brownlee seems to be a less than reliable representative for any information I have ever checked referenced sources for. One wonders how the information presented can be considered reliable from any standard that I have been able to verify from actual sources.
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
That is heartbreaking to hear, I'm so sorry things turned out that way for you. I can only hope prices fall again someday for your property, or that more competition springs up with similar offerings that suit your needs and budget soon. - Paul Braren from TinkerTry
@jeffrocheleau3346
@jeffrocheleau3346 Месяц назад
@@TinkerTry How did you get such a large system installed with net metering caps in MA?
@nikolaninkov
@nikolaninkov Месяц назад
@@phlogistanjones2722 that's because he gets paid to advertise. If you show interest in the product or better yet, buy it, he's done his job.
@amconsole
@amconsole Месяц назад
@@jeffrocheleau3346 I think the size of the actual pannel array is only limited by input voltage limit on the inverter. It’s the inverter power output that’s regulated. You can hook nearly 9kW of panels to a single MPPT input on even cheaper model inverters. If it has 2 inputs, You can hook up to 18kW of solar to it. You would still be limited to whatevee the inverter’s output is rated at. For net metering likely around 10-12kW max, but You’d get those 10-12 for longer duration during the day from morning to late afternoon, not just during midday. Also, with a smart inverter and battery storage, You can pull more power from the roof that does not go to the grid, if You can use it up before it there’s a surpluss.
@Kamodomon
@Kamodomon Месяц назад
That point about being an early adopter Matt brought up was a VERY VERY GOOD point. Roof stuff isn't a phone or a game console, it's a very long term "investment" (it's not REALLY an investment, but you get what I'm going for here). It has to be reliable, it has to be easy to either replace or maintain, it has to last a long time.
@scopie49
@scopie49 Месяц назад
Same idea with smart home tech. Way too many stories of businesses going under, servers going offline, older equipment no longer receiving support. Suddenly your thousands in smart tech turns into a dead brick overnight which is bad enough but depending on what you had connected you might not be able to turn on lights, open your garage, or control your thermostat etc. Way too unreliable.
@Alfaomegabravo
@Alfaomegabravo Месяц назад
Anything that earns or saves you money over time I could consider an investment, but you need to do your comparisons and lifecycle analysis first.
@grn1
@grn1 Месяц назад
@@Alfaomegabravo Was going to say that the term investment isn't strictly for finances. It's anything you do improve the value of something else. Eating right and exercising is an investment in your health. School is (supposed to be at least) an investment in your future work capabilities which affects both financial opportunities and health.
@Alfaomegabravo
@Alfaomegabravo Месяц назад
@@grn1 Sure, I'm just saying a poodle is a dog not that dogs are poodles.
@ecoworrier
@ecoworrier Месяц назад
I made the decision 11 years ago to go with a metal roof with standard sized frameless panels. I saw these advantages: 1) fewer connections in each string 2) larger gap between roof and panel, giving better ventilation, cooling and therefore efficency 3) more choice in the market using standard sized panels and better efficiency. 4) fewer panels and therefore easier to replace/maintain. I bought 85 panels + 2 spares. One panel shattered on install - not a problem, had a spare on site so i now have 1 spare panel. 5) the metal roof below is more like factory roofing with a repeating trapeze ridge/trough profile. Cheap, lightweight, long lasting and you don't see it because its behind the PV array. In terms of aesthetics i chose a south facing monopitched roof at 35 degrees. Basically a large rectangle covered by a 5 x 17 PV panel grid with no through entries (chimneys, windows, ventilation etc.) Looks great. The house is also box form below the roof - better for surface area to volume ratio and easier to acheive passive house rating than a complex H shape with a correspondingly complex roof shape. The panels were 220 Watt. Modern panels of the same size are 440 now. I will replace them in 4 or 5 years - the replacement will be easy - we can use the existing aluminium subframe and external fixations - no new drilling into the roof will be required.
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
Your setup sounds great to me, I'm very happy things sound like they worked out very well for you. FYI, I wasn't allowed ground mount in the towns I wanted to live in, but that's just me, so many others would love to do what you've done. Building new (with a way more efficient design) was quickly ruled out during pandemic due to local construction prices, and lack of small lots to build on. - Paul Braren (the guest on this podcast episode)
@aaronhall3707
@aaronhall3707 Месяц назад
I can tell you why I didn't get a Tesla solar roof. They didn't deliver. They quoted me and gave me an estimate of 13-18 weeks for install. 12 weeks in they cancelled my order and told me to resubmit through a local roofer they contracted with. The price went up 325% and the installation timeline was then estimated at 48-52 months. So my system price went from $110k with install in 2021 to $365k with install in 2024-2025. I got a standing seam metal roof for $35k installed within a month of contract signing. My solar system was $65, installed 12 weeks after signing, 2 weeks early. Installation was completed in 3 days, and PSE approved tying it into the network only 9 days later.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 Месяц назад
Damn, can you let me know what company sold you a solar system for $65? Sounds like a great deal! (haha, I assume you left out the k there)
@phlogistanjones2722
@phlogistanjones2722 Месяц назад
***BINGO*** I have zero idea how anyone represented in this video can seem happy with the amount of money they were charged for the products and services they received. At every step of this video I found the prices, wait times, permitting, installation and performance of the systems to be less than half of what I can personally verify as "reasonable". The fact that EVERYONE in the video was "happy" with their systems and experiences was baffling. TLDR: They paid 1.5-2x what a high-end charge would be expected to be and waited 2x-4x what a very delayed and drawn-out installation time should be.
@healer81
@healer81 Месяц назад
365K to install or even 110k to install, how much power could you spend using the grid to equal to that???? Not to mention the environment and the human rights issues surrounding the manufacturing and procurement of the materials and minerals it requires. I suppose by not looking into these things can allow you to sleep better at night believing you are doing good in the world.
@kevinb7551
@kevinb7551 Месяц назад
musk is selling science fiction, believing it can be real if you want it bad enough 😂😂😂
@edc1569
@edc1569 Месяц назад
Solar prices in the USA are insane! You know those huge 400W panels are $60 in the UK? I don’t get why anyone would bother, your electricity is so much cheaper too.
@rogerjohnston9545
@rogerjohnston9545 Месяц назад
We have 12 year old panels. 4 have hail damage. Even though they are still working, we decided to replece the entire array. We use bet metering rather than batteries and are net $0. We are upgrading to new and fewer panels for the same kw this spring. The older panels paid for themselves ib 7 years we expect the new array to do so in 30 months. Love them. Can not imagine doing this upgrade with roof tiles.
@jfolz
@jfolz Месяц назад
No no no, just no! Don't you see you're doing it wrong? You need to buy everything in one neat, hermetically sealed packaged, because ✨ _aesthetics_ ✨.
@rogerjohnston9545
@rogerjohnston9545 Месяц назад
@@jfolz lol
@jfolz
@jfolz Месяц назад
@@rogerjohnston9545 /s in case that want clear. Our installation will have paid for itself twice over next year or so.
@rogerjohnston9545
@rogerjohnston9545 Месяц назад
@@jfolz panels or tiles?
@jfolz
@jfolz Месяц назад
@@rogerjohnston9545 panels. I don't think tiles were an option in 2011 ;)
@robertkerby2581
@robertkerby2581 Месяц назад
Incredibly Informative! Well done, Sir!
@karll1155
@karll1155 Месяц назад
Hi! Very interesting comparison between solar options. We needed a new roof two years ago and also wanted to upgrade to a premium roof. We got our Tesla Roof installed two years ago and are very happy with it. We are driving about 10k electric miles and have paid under $100/year since we signed up for the tesla plan. We're in Dallas TX.
@ricoma6037
@ricoma6037 Месяц назад
One thing that isn't considered is the Home Owner Association rules. Currently, our area has legislation drafted that will restrict HOA's from preventing Solar installations. We'll see if it passes.
@MCPicoli
@MCPicoli Месяц назад
Most HOAs allow for Tesla's solar roof since they're indistinguishable from normal roofs from the outside.
@ricoma6037
@ricoma6037 Месяц назад
@MCPicoli that restricts the homeowners to one brand and style of renewable energy. It's not the best solution for global change that's needed, in my opinion.
@MCPicoli
@MCPicoli Месяц назад
@@ricoma6037 true, just saying that at least there is one option instead of none.
@D3adP00I
@D3adP00I Месяц назад
Check state laws, several states have prevented HOA's regulating any solar installations
@BobClemintime
@BobClemintime Месяц назад
Check the laws in your state. Many limit how HOAs can regulate solar panels
@mikedziak2759
@mikedziak2759 Месяц назад
I installed the traditional solar panels back in 2017. I am very happy that I had gone that route as my home was built in 1941 and also my panels on my house are not seen and are hidden as I have a 1 1/2 story Cleveland Bungalow with a detached garage. A little more than half my panels are on my detached garage. I have two separate inverters (grid tied) and no battery backup. I owe a little cash during the low production time , December, January, and February. Our Northeast Ohio grid has been pretty reliable which makes it kind of nice. Electricity isn’t as expensive for our area as other states. Very happy with our solar panel system. So far so good.
@hammersampson
@hammersampson Месяц назад
Finally, a video on a subject that isn’t always 10 years away.
@Phil-kt6hc
@Phil-kt6hc Месяц назад
I live in the UK and a 7KwHP array with 13kwh storage can be done for about £13k. Your numbers are mind boggling... Also it might have been nice to find someone with an in roof system to compare that. Great channel!
@michaelkaster5058
@michaelkaster5058 Месяц назад
we have large tariffs on imported panels, especially those made in china
@paul1979uk2000
@paul1979uk2000 Месяц назад
I was thinking the price seemed crazy eye for that set up compared to the ones you can get in Europe. I know there are tariffs on imports from China in the US, but surely that's not making up such a high price tag. To be fair, solar is getting dirt cheap now that the installation and inventor is the highest cost, not the panels, but I do have to wonder what kind of set up I could do in the UK for the cost they paid for their set-up. Anyway, is a solar set-up really that much more expensive?
@IXISSV
@IXISSV Месяц назад
$153k in the UK could buy a field AND a solar farm! 🤣😂🤣 (Ok, maybe a bit far fetched, but it could buy you a house!)
@adrianrehwald3253
@adrianrehwald3253 Месяц назад
Same here in Germany, 17.7 kWp Panels with 20 kWh battery is 20k€ (self-installed). With professionals installing everything that would be 30 - 40 k€ (depending on the local market situation). The American prices seem crazy.
@henrikparksjo7980
@henrikparksjo7980 Месяц назад
I work for a solar company in Sweden. I could probably sell a 17 kWp roof installed solar plant for less than $15k. Adding a 20 kWh battery would probably be another $15k. You'd get a $9.5k tax deduction, so the whole installation would cost approximately $20-21k...
@OnsWereldSuiderland
@OnsWereldSuiderland Месяц назад
In South Africa, our 2.9Kw 48v system, with 105A Lithium Battery and Inverter, cost us R56 000 in total, about $2,500. Granted my brother in law and myself did all the work, excluding the installation of the electrical switch board, linking our system to the grid and checking/certification of our system by a certified electrician, required by our local municipality and for insurance purposes, but paying for that is included in the cost above. Took us two years to fully pay for the system out of our savings
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
That sounds amazing! I appreciate learning a more worldly perspective, one of the advantages of reading these comments. Thank you for sharing! - Paul Braren, owner of the Solar Roof featured in this video
@flyingalexf68
@flyingalexf68 Месяц назад
I’m absolutely shocked with the prices you quote. In Ireland, a 400w panel (with 25 year warranty etc) is equivalent to $200. May 16 panel 6.4kWp system was €11400 and I paid over the odds due to supply/demand issues. It generates twice as much power as I use annually. I get credit for the power I export to the grid. It will cost €5000 to add a 5kWh battery if I choose to in future. What in the name of the baby Jebus in his crib are you paying for over there???
@andrewfidel2220
@andrewfidel2220 Месяц назад
​@@flyingalexf68 how is a 5kWh battery €5k?!? Look into server rack LFP batteries, they're $1,200-$1,600 for 48V 5kWh units, though right now prices are headed down due to a glut of capacity due to slowed EV demand in China causing the market to be oversupplied.
@linux230
@linux230 Месяц назад
Wow. That's awesome 👍
@OffGridSupplies
@OffGridSupplies Месяц назад
@@andrewfidel2220I've just ordered a 15KWh LFP system (cells plus Seplos BMS/case) costing £1450 DDP to the UK.
@jamesbernau6904
@jamesbernau6904 Месяц назад
Great article Matt. I went with a Tesla solar roof after looking at four companies. The total system took 4 months to install, all due to local utility refusal to allow me to install the two Powerwall Plus batteries with the solar roof. I eventually had to go to the city council to request approval to install. We had companies say the solar roof would not work on my home. The real problem with most of the systems is the installers.
@WillemAsselbergs
@WillemAsselbergs 13 дней назад
Standard. I'm currently extending from 25 to 40 panels on my end. After a year of use, with a Tesla at the house, it is clear I need a bit more juice. Pretty straight forward adjustment, but installer and permitting challenges once again of course. Great video again Matt. Thanks for sharing.
@cman2270
@cman2270 Месяц назад
I used to work at Gigafactory 2 manufacturing the solar roof. Great product, shoddy execution
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
I worked for the tesla superbeam team (half the line was welding robots, shorts proof) same, great product but the machines constantly broke, or jammed, especially the ones using weld robots.. humans never caused the delays robots constantly did (also honda robots even more, did that also for honda crv bumpers, same factory)
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA Месяц назад
Very interesting! Always nice to hear inside knowledge.@@dertythegrower
@PrograError
@PrograError Месяц назад
no NDAs in revelation? @cman2270 @dertythegrower
@triforcelink
@triforcelink Месяц назад
Why doesn’t Tesla sell solar roof shingles direct to consumer?
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
@@triforcelink If you research fertilizer, for example, sometimes a person will overwater or forget to water, but then leave your fertilizer a bad review... they blame someone else for their misuse.
@TheOnlineCorner
@TheOnlineCorner Месяц назад
We learn so much with your videos! thank you! Your quality is sublime! 😉
@richardmikita
@richardmikita Месяц назад
We put down the $100 deposit on a Tesla Solar roof in January 2021 when we closed on a new construction deal for our house in western MA. The configuration changed a few times and the cost jumped when they instituted complexity tiers (many peaks and valleys on our roof) but eventually came down a bit. We paid $99K for the 20.88KW roof with 3 Powerwall batteries. Although communicating with Tesla initially was not great, once the install was scheduled the team was terrific. We didn't get into the house until this past September (almost 2 years later than our contracted date). We had some permitting delays with the town (do we need bollards in front of the batteries and if so how far out -- 3 feet was the eventual answer). Finally got permission to export once the sun had left the Berkshires for the season, but we are starting to see net positive production for our all electric house in recent weeks. Long time viewer; love your channel.
@JerryRigEverything
@JerryRigEverything Месяц назад
Very interesting. I didn't know the prices were so similar.
@LiveMedia123
@LiveMedia123 Месяц назад
Matt Ferrell got scammed if you ask me, he is basically and almost desperately trying to justify his choice. Maybe hes right about the longevity of his metal roof but I doubt that has much merit when looking at the Tesla Solar Roof material. Also he got less KWh than Paul? And therefor basically paid more for an, in my opinion, an uglier roof.
@charedj
@charedj Месяц назад
They've both been scammed - the cost is a complete joke. ~$100k for those systems and medium quality roofs is an absolute rip off.
@LiveMedia123
@LiveMedia123 Месяц назад
@@charedj I think it depends on where you live but you might be right.
@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Месяц назад
I was surprised too, but it’s going to vary a lot depending on where you live, local labor costs, etc.
@charedj
@charedj Месяц назад
@@UndecidedMF Matt, honestly, you overpaid by an incredible amount. In another video you state you have: 43x400W panels IQ8 Inverters 4x Batteries? Cost: ~$55,000-88,000(with batteries) I can purchase in Germany: 50x420W JA solar Bifacials -5000 EUR SMA 25kW Hybrid inverter -2400 EUR 3x 12.8 kWh BYD Batteries -17200 EUR Mounting/cabling ~-5000 EUR (estimate) That's around 30,000 EUR plus labour. I've installed hundreds of systems including batteries and this would take less than a week to install, so I'll go crazy and call it 10,000 labour. That's ~40,000 EUR. What on earth did you pay for dude?!
@einarmikkelsenPNW
@einarmikkelsenPNW Месяц назад
I installed a solar system on my roof myself and found that the efficiency goes down a bit when it is warm out. Thus, June produces more power than the hotter August, with the same amount of sunny days. My next system will be ground mounted to get around this, with cooling from crops growing below.
@Chopped86
@Chopped86 Месяц назад
I wonder if the heat killing efficiency is any more significant on the solar roof vs regular panels as they suffer the same fate in heat.
@einarmikkelsenPNW
@einarmikkelsenPNW Месяц назад
@@Chopped86 I think they will be pretty close, but the solar panels will have some airflow below. Ground based gets the most.
@georgehenry3384
@georgehenry3384 Месяц назад
Solar panels are silicon chips essentially, more heat = higher resistance = lower energy output. PV efficiency goes up in the winter but shorter days reduces total energy output.
@Chopped86
@Chopped86 Месяц назад
@@einarmikkelsenPNW yeah that’s what I’m suspecting as there is also flow below the roof, though a bit less. If you’re in the PNW the effect is so minimal as well. I’ve lived in the PNW and in the opposite environment in Phoenix where the panels get crushed 8 months out of the year with heat. Ground based would be best but I do not know if I would want to commit having panels in my beautiful backyard especially since where I live we are capped at a 10kw inverter which becomes 7.7kw in the real world.
@-_James_-
@-_James_- Месяц назад
This is why vertically installed, north-south orientated, double sided panels are a better option for very hot countries. In the extreme heat of midday the panels are not facing the sun and therefore don't get as hot.
@lyracian
@lyracian Месяц назад
I already went with standard solar panels. Only a 3 bedroomed house in old England with a 4 kWp system but I have not paid for any electricity in almost two years now.
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ Месяц назад
@@BobDevVOff-grid equals you control everything so your investment return can be calculated and is assured. Grid-tie means you have no direct control, and you have no assurance that you'll even see a substantial return of your investment much less all of it.. See what just happened in California- that can be you too.
@brianhoward9217
@brianhoward9217 15 дней назад
EXCELLENT vid, as usual Matt. Thank you! Cheers from Australia!
@brucethornton7352
@brucethornton7352 Месяц назад
I think you are right Matt, Any system that doesn't use readily available parts is asking for trouble if your goal is to have an easily maintainable system. Cutting edge products are fun to play with, but I have all the headaches I need just trying to build maximum reliability.
@lindacgrace2973
@lindacgrace2973 Месяц назад
I live in Arizona - fabulous conditions for solar. My house will have a traditional clay tile roof, so solar on the roof is no bueno. I plan to put an array in the back yard on short stilts. The panels will shade my chicken coop, and have a water cachment set-up. Capturing water is just as important as capturing sunlight. A 10Kw array will capture a couple of thousand gallons of water during our monsoon season with the simple addition of a gutter with the downpipes directed to a cistern.
@jesuspunk84
@jesuspunk84 Месяц назад
Clay tile roof looks to be better for solar install if you want to avoid leaks. They lift the tile, put the anchor in which extend along the facedown side of the tile, at the end theres the proper anchor for the panel itself. Look pretty sturdy, its been done for a long time in europe. Seen many install in UK and germany like that and you cant tell me that EU country have lower standard and regulation when it come to solar install. You should check it out, theres plenty video online about it.
@joeschmoe7951
@joeschmoe7951 Месяц назад
I would never put panels on my roof unless I had too. Build a porch or something and put your panels on that or like you said cover a coop.
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
My town doesn't allow ground-mount solar, but that arrangement sounds awesome and very logical, thanks for dropping this comment! - Paul Braren, owner of the Solar Roof featured in this video
@lindacgrace2973
@lindacgrace2973 Месяц назад
@@TinkerTry Thanks! That's a major reason that I chose Arizona - they have intelligent water and energy laws. In Colorado, capturing rainwater that falls on your own property is illegal (?!?). Many jurisdictions restrict or ban roof-top bladeless turbines, ground-mount solar, and any number of other solutions. Arizona, which is running out of water and has an aging and unreliable power grid, quite sensibly allows (and offers tax incentives) for anyone who disconnects from the public power grid and collects their own rainwater. It's possible to live completely off-gird in the heart of a nice suburb. So, suburban Prescott, here I come. 🙂
@lindacgrace2973
@lindacgrace2973 Месяц назад
@@gorak9000 Yes, I've seen them. For me it's an aesthetic choice. I'm building a Spanish Colonial Revival with as many historic details as I can afford. I think that sleek black modern solar panels spoil the romantic antique look of the roof. Since I have the space, and can use the panels to create shade for my hens and a rain roof for capturing more water, I see no reason to put solar on my roof. So, it's not a technical installation issue, I chose an off-roof installation due to other considerations. But thanks for offering that tip 🙂
@JoshuaHeagleDev
@JoshuaHeagleDev Месяц назад
The solar roof looks lovely, I was interested in it a few years ago. I think I feel the same as you do about the newness of the product and being able to replace it as needed in the future. Putting on a solid good quality roof to start and having standard, replaceable panels feels like the best balance.
@laioren
@laioren Месяц назад
Thanks for this. Dang, Matt. Your work is so, so helpful. You really hit that sweet spot of where accuracy, succinctness, main points, important trivialities, and overall takeaways converge. I'm always super thankful for your videos. For me, I'll probably go with a Tesla solar roof when I get around to it. I do love the way they look. And I live in San Diego, so the need for a really good roof which can withstand real weather isn't as much as a factor for me. Btw, I also agree with you that more conventional solar roofs look good, too. If there's one thing that bothers me about all of the solar roof installation processes I've heard about or watched in videos, and especially from Tesla, it's the ambiguity and problems that the installations seem to run into. I totally get that installing a bunch of new electrical products into a house can be daunting, but also, that's exactly what these local installation companies are supposed to be experts at. I feel like this entire process should go way more smoothly than it ever seems to go for anyone.
@El.Duder-ino
@El.Duder-ino Месяц назад
Well done analysis/comparison, thx Matt!
@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Месяц назад
Glad you liked it!
@IowaKim
@IowaKim Месяц назад
I am so glad you are making the point that each decision for energy is a case by case basis. So many people have one idea and think all should go that way (governments operate that way too). Each situation is unique.
@alunjones2550
@alunjones2550 Месяц назад
I'm in the UK with a similar sized house. If I put $150'000 in a high interest account, it would pay may annual electric bill entirely, with enough left over to compensate for inflation.
@Edramon53
@Edramon53 Месяц назад
Can't rely on having high interests forever though.
@paul1979uk2000
@paul1979uk2000 Месяц назад
To be fair, you wouldn't need to spend anywhere near that amount for that kind of set up.
@alunjones2550
@alunjones2550 Месяц назад
@@Edramon53 When have high-interest accounts not been high interest? The clue's in the name.....
@thewolfdoctor761
@thewolfdoctor761 Месяц назад
@@Edramon53 A 30 year bond in the US is paying around 4.46%. $150K * 4.46% = $6690 per year. That's more than $500 / month. My electric bill averages around $100-$150 / month.
@randya9143
@randya9143 Месяц назад
Some people have money to burn. I am not that lucky....
@kevinkitchen3351
@kevinkitchen3351 Месяц назад
We recently installed a 10kWh solar array on our house downunder to virtually manage our power bills in the long run. We also went with Enphase micro inverters and panels on a rack system. After monitoring the system output for a while, we are having a Tesla wall 2 battery installed to cover our evening and overnight power consumption. I was keen to go with readily available system components to minimise the risk of installing an orphan system that may be more effort to maintain in the future. Yes, the Tesla roof looks sharp, but I'm more of a function over fashion type of person and more interested in viewing the installation in the life-cycle of the system, cost, and maintainability. Our home is over 20 years old, and the existing roof is fine. Great video.
@brentmsdn
@brentmsdn Месяц назад
Nice video, I spent 59k on my 12kw system before tax credit in 2021. Hybrid system. Qcell panels with enphase micro inverters, Tesla gateway, two powerwalls, and separate EV 60amp breaker box and Tesla wall charger. Spent 9k on new asphalt roof. It's saving me 2k a year but still have to pay during the winter months. This was a partner installer in Michigan that Telsa works with. I really like the combo solution this company provided. I feel like I have the best of both worlds. Tesla software is amazing and the integration with the car is really nice. Charge on Solar feature is great in the summer to fully utilize production.
@RandomShart
@RandomShart Месяц назад
These USA prices are eye watering! In the UK you can pick up the all the gear with 20kw of panels and 20kw of storage for well under £20k and a new tiled roof on a large house would similarly be around £15 to £20k. Embedding the solar panels in trays on is a good option if reroofing because then you don't pay for the roof tiles just to then put solar over the top of them (effectively paying twice to cover the roof). I'm looking at 10kw panels, 20kwh of battery and reroof (part embedded) for £30k fitted. I can't get over these $100k+ prices, particularly given that is after massive subsidies!
@paul1979uk2000
@paul1979uk2000 Месяц назад
Probably depends on who is installing the set-up, but yeah, I've checked many times over the last year and a setup like that in the UK would be a lot cheaper, and I do wonder why is it so much expensive in the US? Some will say imports on China but I can't see that inflating the price by that amount.
@nottelling41
@nottelling41 Месяц назад
USA has large import tariffs and also expensive permitting before anything can be done so USA laws make solar expensive. Look at lockdown laws and solar laws to see how stupid American government can be. Payback for a simple solar on a metal roof in the Philippines can be less than 2 years now. 50% annual investment returns!
@TheObserver567
@TheObserver567 Месяц назад
Yeah. its a big problem here. installers over charging and getting wealthy out of the process. its ridiculous.
@BLKMGK4
@BLKMGK4 Месяц назад
@@nottelling41 Hardware is a fraction of the overall cost of an install although batteries are expensive as hell. The issue is installers charging a mint and the fact that they know we get a subsidy and price higher because of it. The financing people make it even worse as they pretty much take the entire subsidy! My next system will be done in cash to avoid this and I'm glad my current system was done before the finance vultures went crazy.
@oyuyuy
@oyuyuy Месяц назад
Yeah, they're idiots for buying them at that price to be honest, it makes no economical sense whatsoever.
@dr.daveroberts7628
@dr.daveroberts7628 Месяц назад
Two years ago we tried to get a Tesla solar roof installed... it was a horror story of "no refund for you" and incompetent installers. They still owe us for preparation costs. They doubled the cost of the roof AFTER we had a signed contract, so we are now part of a class action to try and recover our preparation costs. At one point Tesla told us they would reimburse us, but that was two years ago. I drive a Model 3 and have plenty of Tesla stock, but the solar roof is not a product I would recommend.
@ianritchie2102
@ianritchie2102 Месяц назад
I like your vidoe comparison. Its honest and fair on all sides. I have owned 10 kilowatts of standard solar panels on my roof for 11 years now. They are working fine, and I have always appreciated that the aesthetics issue is really not even an issue in the case of my house because people cannot even see them from the street out ffromt where people go by. The street is on the north side and the panels are on the south and east and west sides of the roof, but the roof angles are such that most people will not even notice the solar panels are there. One bonus that many people do not mention is that having the standard solar panels about six inches above the roof helps considerably to keep the roof much coller in summer than it otherwise would get, and therefore extends the life of the asphalt shingles underneath much longer than they would otherwise last.
@LivingRetirement
@LivingRetirement Месяц назад
I went with a ground mounted panel system; easy to remove the snow in the winter using a foam squeegee. Love that setup.
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
Sounds great, and far more affordable! My town wouldn't permit ground mount, unfortunately. - Paul Braren, owner of the Solar Roof featured in this video
@LivingRetirement
@LivingRetirement Месяц назад
@@TinkerTry that is just crazy! The permit was really easy here. My roof would not have worked, as I have those nice shade trees.
@olebloom1641
@olebloom1641 Месяц назад
Leaning towards regular solar panels.
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
diy solar and portable batteries (which he has shown here many episodes) is becoming clearly a better more portable option... and simpler to run..and not locked down perma solar which insurance and home suburban areaa disallow... diy is becoming so simple with the plug and play solar.. about time
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA Месяц назад
Yep, ecoFlow has just about swayed me into thei whole house UltraPro lineup. @@dertythegrower
@BLKMGK4
@BLKMGK4 Месяц назад
@@dertythegrower Where are you seeing PnP 10+KW systems and 20KW or more batteries? Those little "solar generators" are a joke in comparison to a fixed install.
@erictheblue7256
@erictheblue7256 Месяц назад
Experience has taught me with expensive, complex technologies, COTS works better in the long run (COTS: common off the shelf technology).
@PrograError
@PrograError Месяц назад
Open Source always works better in terms of maintenance, both in Software and Hardware...
@arielsanchezmora
@arielsanchezmora Месяц назад
So nice to see Paul! Love him and his website :) great website
@jvin248
@jvin248 Месяц назад
I found the best solution is build a ground mount solar array. Highest probability is your roof is in the middle of its lifespan and thus a Tesla Roof tear off throws away roof money or the solar install needs to be dismantled in a few years to replace the roof (roof conditions top home buyer fears lists). ... With a ground mount you'll lose some yard space and have to mow around it but it converts the project from locating contractors to do roof installs on second-story-high-roofs to a much more manageable DIY scenario. You can also create secondary benefits such as a back yard deck/pergola design, a carport in front of or next to a garage, or a low storage shed depending on space available. Property setbacks and whatnot will come into play.
@LordReginaldMeowmont
@LordReginaldMeowmont Месяц назад
In Florida, they won't insure your roof if it's a solar roof. That's killing the market with all the hurricanes we get.
@ScoobyFermentation
@ScoobyFermentation Месяц назад
Florida and California’s loss is my gain because I’m getting a killer deal on solar ($2.89/watt) because of lower demand this year. I priced the same system out a couple of years ago and it was about $3.20/watt.
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
do it yourself in the back yard using smaller cheaper systems... the roof ones are no longer priced even close to diy solar, which can power most peoples stuff in the home, esp florida... the battery systems now are so cheap and many market them with stackable options.. he had ads for them here 2023
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
also ,☝️ to add, and what i mean is.. dont tell them at statefarm or whatever that you have diy solar, its not going to be recovered by their policy as its NOT locked down, you can move it when the inspection guy comes, so it has zero do with them of its portable diy solar.
@LordReginaldMeowmont
@LordReginaldMeowmont Месяц назад
@@dertythegrower thanks, I'll look into that.
@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo Месяц назад
Pretty soon it will be very hard to get ANY insurance in Florida, regardless of what's on your roof.
@ersu.t
@ersu.t Месяц назад
I've never even seen a slate roof.. we consider metal to be the budget option in Australia. The other big issue with solar on the roof is the heat and the gap between the roof and the panels. My solar is sitting 100mm off the tile roof, the tile roof can hit temperatures of 80 degrees C. The solar panels also get heated at a loss of 1% per degree past 25C. Thats a 55% loss on hot days over 35 C. However we should have the option to increase the gap between roof and solar panels to help keep the panels cool. How does the Telsa panels keep cool?
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower Месяц назад
a metal roof company ironically ran ad yesterday.. it is because rich people get them as they are protected by 50 year warranty and low maintain factor
@carlwest859
@carlwest859 Месяц назад
Solar has so many unknowns, I've heard of 0.4%--0.5% and 0.75--1% loss above 25*C. So what is it? I purchased panels that are rated for 455 watts, and one day they were cranking out 570 watts each with reflection from snow on the ground. I installed ground mount panels to avoid the roof top eyesore, and that may be the coolest location with grass underneath rather than a hot roof.
@constancechappellhorne7436
@constancechappellhorne7436 Месяц назад
@@carlwest859 If the panels are shading the roof, how is it getting hot (except from heat from the panels)? Also, how would grass grow if it is shaded by the panels. More likely to get patchy weeds.
@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo Месяц назад
Anyone building a new home (or completely new roof) should put an air gap under the top layer of roofing. Similar to a rain screen behind the siding on your walls. Venting that top layer will help dissipate the heat soak from the panels. Regarding slate roofs, they're very popular in the Northeast USA, for people that can afford them. Slate was historically easy to get and obviously extremely durable, but it's VERY heavy and requires robust framing underneath.
@TinkerTry
@TinkerTry Месяц назад
Tesla Solar Roof has a 1" air gap underneath the panels, and some vents along the bottom and top edges for passive venting upward. This may help some, but I won't know for sure until we get into this summer of 2024, my first full summer with the system fully operation. Also worth noting that my town doesn't allow ground-mount solar, and my yard is pretty small anyway. - Paul Braren, owner of the Solar Roof featured in this video
@pgetti6
@pgetti6 Месяц назад
I think Matt’s roof has a bigger advantage in that’s it’s white. Meaning it’s reflecting light so should stay cooler in the summer months. It’s also stay cooler which is best for the solar panels.
@graysonsmith7031
@graysonsmith7031 Месяц назад
I was really interested in Tesla's solar roof, but after finding out about hybrid photovoltaic-thermal panels those are my new favorite. They increase the efficiency of the PV while generating such inordinate amounts of heat energy that installers recommend only a portion of your panels be hybrids since they can overwhelm just about any use case for that heat.
@stormfire962imastarcitizen5
@stormfire962imastarcitizen5 Месяц назад
Matt Ferrell your system also offers other benefits like for instance I think you would have an easier time to upgrade your system then your friend would and you would have a better chance of getting parts for it from other locations and providers if needed as opposed to what your friend has since he must deal through Tesla.
@kevtheobald
@kevtheobald Месяц назад
Nice work Matt. Your videos do not feel so informercial like some other RU-vid channels. Many get sponsors and gifts, but many dance around if they are sponsored or if they got something gifted. I know it take money and resources to run a channel, but pretending your an unbiased reviewer when there is clear reason for bias and it is not acknowledged is just unprofessional. You seem to make a clear effort not to hide any possible bias and love that while you are comparing products, you are keeping as much opinion out and going with data driven results. Keep up the great work Matt.
@kevtheobald
@kevtheobald Месяц назад
@@gorak9000I do not read the comments, I watch his videos. I have seen 30 of them and never once heard him say "this is the best choice ever" or anything like that. Can you show an actual example of Matt pushing a product in the comments or is this just something you are pulling out of your...
@donchaput8278
@donchaput8278 Месяц назад
I live in Phoenix AZ so Solar is a no brainer and I needed a new roof. I went with traditional panels and was able to also apply the federal 30% to the area of my roof that needed to be replaced (not the whole thing). I tried to get a SPAN panel as well but at the time it wasn't allowed as the primary panel. I am really happy with my system here at 8KWh and with my efficient home I just need to add a battery which will make me basically net zero all year long. My current bill for a 2000sq home is around $50-150/month. I am going to get the new Powerwall3 at the recommendation of several installers in my area due to the quality, features and that other manufactures are discontinuing their products.
@DavidCheok
@DavidCheok Месяц назад
Went down the exact reasoning you did two years ago. My metal roof is about 40 yrs old now and I expect another 20 years more out of them. Have had my 18 kW running well for over a year now with about 22k kWh annually. With APSystems micros, replacing panels decades down when the technology changes or with failures will be easy and they are easily scaleable.
@WalterRiggs
@WalterRiggs Месяц назад
Solar roofing could have changed the world if Tesla had not squirreled their attention elsewhere. Looking forward to your fall update after the summer’s generation status are in!
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA Месяц назад
I disagree. Solar City, which it was originally, was failing. Elon basically saved the company by wrapping it up under Tesla.
@frederickheard2022
@frederickheard2022 Месяц назад
People who think Elon Musk is anything but a liability 😂
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA Месяц назад
If you're American, Elon showed us just how in bed our government was with Twitter. Just like banning TikTok, the government wants no competition with their prescribed narratives. They're after Elon, and have many different ways to neuter him. @@frederickheard2022
@kiddy1992
@kiddy1992 Месяц назад
Oh bugger off. Tesla didn't invent the solar shingles. They've been used in europe for a decade already with new houses. They just did an Apple and hyper marketed to the uninformed US market who are behind the solar news by like 20 years.
@14energy
@14energy Месяц назад
Those prices are crazy expensive when compared what Im paying over here in the EU. Im getting next week 10 KW solar panels with 11 KW EV charger with installation for 10k EUR. On top of that Ill get 50% off of that price subsidized from the government by the end of this year. Im really happy with this deal :)
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Месяц назад
Various things can be more costly in the US. Wages are also generally higher. He's also in a particularly expensive part of the US as well.
@14energy
@14energy Месяц назад
@@chickenfishhybrid44 true that but overall Im getting a sweet deal and executing. Bueno :)
@kenoliver8913
@kenoliver8913 20 дней назад
But it is not just Europe. Last December (summer in Australia) I had a 6.5kW system put in for $A3.5k (after about $1.2k in government rebates). That's about $US2.7k. And because of our weak currency we are used to most things costing a bit more here than in the US.
@dannybam6754
@dannybam6754 Месяц назад
I got a Tesla roof in 2021 and love it so far. They were a tough company to work with but the products are very good. Prices for them have gone way up since then.
@LeonardHoffer
@LeonardHoffer Месяц назад
We had 31 REC Alpha Pure 405 w modules added onto our standing seam metal roof. It uses a SolarEdge 11.4 w inverter. 15,400 kWh produced and 6000 kWh used last year. We have a GeoComfort 3 ton ground source heat pump. Just a great combination with the two systems.
@mikelacross
@mikelacross Месяц назад
As you said, your metal roof (sorry, I put floor?) should never need any maintenance & solar panels can reasonably be replaced + how long will the tiles last. Although 27kw is quite impressive.
@-JustHuman-
@-JustHuman- Месяц назад
The guaranty of the solar roof is 25 years, same as many other roof options have, some only come with 20 or 15 years even.
@TysonJensen
@TysonJensen Месяц назад
In what world does metal not need maintenance? Even pure stainless steel rusts eventually. Humans are kinda weird. Willing to believe anything if a salesperson is nice enough when they say it. Only after the deal's done do y'all turn on your brains to think about it.
@tlpineapple1
@tlpineapple1 Месяц назад
@@TysonJensen People are speaking in general. Yes, metal roofs, even stainless steel will corrode; however, the lifespan of a metal roof is SIGNIFICANTLY longer to the point where it essentially doesnt need maintenance. Its not that it literally doesnt need maintenance, its that these costs are so spread out that it feels like it doesnt.
@marceldiezasch6192
@marceldiezasch6192 Месяц назад
@@TysonJensen Metal roofs are extremely rare in the colder European nations. It's mostly ceramic shingles and those roofs can last 100+ years if there isn't major storm damage. So maybe not ideal for tornado counties, but otherwise it's great, easy to replace individual shingles if necessary, easy to add solar and pretty cheap.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Месяц назад
​@TysonJensen some of them offer a 25 year warranty or even lifetime.
@jacobbronstein1585
@jacobbronstein1585 Месяц назад
You need to do a video walkthrough all of Paul’s home energy setup. He’s living my dream. Like how off the grid can he be? What types of monthly costs does he have between charging the car and the house energy needs?
@russael001
@russael001 Месяц назад
I replaced my roof with traditional asphalt shingles, and I went with SunPower panels with micro inverters along with the SunVault storage solution in 2021. Here in Michigan, we don't have net metering anymore - we are on something called Distributed Generation. Basically, the energy sent back to the grid is given as bill credit, and it is credited 100% for both peak and off peak, however, we have a separate distribution charge that solar credit does not pay for, which applies to any inflow from the grid. For example, say I send 200kw to the grid but consume 200kw from the grid in the same month. The energy charge would be 0, but I would receive a bill of 200kw for distribution due to the consumption, plus their regular fixed charges. I didn't know that was a thing, but it makes me happier that I got the solar batteries. This means the batteries do pay for themselves with distribution charge savings. Instead of drawing energy from the grid at night, the batteries supply power to the house instead until they reach a depth of discharge set point (adjustable from 20 to 80%). I started with a 7.6kw system with 26kw/h of storage, and then upgraded to 10kw with 52kw/h of storage in 2022. This allows my house to remain energy independent for about 8 months out of the year, and I use up bill credit during the winter months. It is also powerful enough to run the house during grid outages to the point where we can ignore an outage, unless it is in the middle of winter. Due to fixed charges, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have no bill from the utility. Credits do not cover any additional services either, such as the surge protection program I signed up for (it's a meter socket surge suppressor that is installed by the utility... and then they charge a monthly fee.) Overall, I'm quite happy with the system and its performance. It has had some quirks with the storage system, but Sunpower support has generally been helpful. No issues at all with the panels or micro inverters, or their Hub+ load center.
@xcntrk75
@xcntrk75 Месяц назад
Surprising results and great video comparison!
@camejuanm
@camejuanm Месяц назад
Nice video! Imma watch this till the end even though I ain't gonna be able to afford no house
@UndecidedMF
@UndecidedMF Месяц назад
Glad you liked the video, but yeah ... housing prices are out of control.
@jts8053
@jts8053 Месяц назад
My current thinking is I am going with panels, but where I am building has a lot of trees and the array won't be on the roof. I plan on free-standing panels at the southern edge of the lot where there is open ground and a lot more direct sunlight. I also plan on owning all the hardware and not contracting with a company.
@nschubach
@nschubach Месяц назад
Your option is the best IMO. I have also been looking at getting an array to put on my parent's farm and I can get them started with a 14Kw array, 12Kw of AC output, and 15Kwh of battery for about $15k and there's no restrictions on the roof directions, cleaning the panels is easier, and you'll see a return much quicker. It's also expandable. I can easily add batteries down the line, which is likely better since the batteries are the pricey bit. Also getting them over time means replacing them over time when they wear out. Net metering sucks for them though, it's an energy credit that expires so there's literally zero incentive to feed back to the grid making the inverters I choose cheaper. I'd be using the grid to top off if the battery is low.
@roguea987
@roguea987 Месяц назад
My issue with Tesla’s traditional panels system is that I went with them in 2018. When they were transitioning between SolarCity and Tesla Energy. So, we have the very old monitoring system. it no longer functions and they don’t appear to be able to reconnect it. Our inverters are ABB inverters and not the newer Tesla branded models. Other issues with customer service around upgrading the panel and replacing the roof. If I were to do it again, not sure I would go with Tesla again.
@bobmeyer9173
@bobmeyer9173 Месяц назад
Great video, Matt. I'm just a bit ahead of you on the install time line. I needed to replace my asphalt roof in late 2018. I'm in central Texas, so a metal roof was an easy choice to make aesthetically. I also wanted a roof that would outlive me. I settled on an 11.4 kW conventional solar panel system that was installed as soon after as the weather permitted, in Nov, 2018. I started looking at batteries after the 2021 freeze here. I finally added 2x Tesla PowerWall 2 in Sept, 2023, using the same installer that did the solar panels. If I was building a new house I would definitely consider Tesla roof tiles.
@budsan
@budsan Месяц назад
7KW with 10KWh of battery would cost here 12.000€ on my country. It's still hard to believe these crazy prices from USA :O
@BLKMGK4
@BLKMGK4 Месяц назад
Laboir and insane profits. They make the permitting and inspection a PITA enough that most people hire it out and there's few enough doing it they charge crazy rates. My system in rural VA compared to a near identical system in Florida was close to double the price. Why? Competition in Florida vs here where few companies operate. I look forward to moving South and nearly off the grid soon!
@yt551217
@yt551217 Месяц назад
In WA, only a few have Tesla roofs been done and cost was exhorbitant. Went with metal roof and Solar Panels / Enphase microinverters. Very happy. No need for batteries since have net metering and very few power outages. Thanks for your interesting content
@dirtbikenrcman
@dirtbikenrcman Месяц назад
As someone who works a ton of heavy commercial/industrial one of the big questions for the decision is insurance coverage. If a panel fails and causes a fire what happens? I like your set up because it's metal and inherently more fire resistant.sure it might damage the paint but it won't burn. I'm %100 on board with the green energy movement I have gotten a large building an energy star but the legal aspect is a critical conversation.
@jamesallen8107
@jamesallen8107 Месяц назад
Late 2022 I replaced my roof with a new asphalt roof and added 14 solar panels. The roof replacement was slightly premature but it was aging and I wasn't going to install panels on the old roof. I liked the idea of the Tesla roof and its look, but with cost and delivery/install/availability delays, and the more readily available knowledge and equipment of the standard panel approach, I (fairly quickly) decided to go with standard panels. I have a considerably smaller house than either of the 2 in this story, but part of the reason for not installing more panels is some complexity in my south facing roof pattern and some large tree shading that technically are owned by the city (in the parkway between the curb and sidewalk). I hope to at least get them trimmed back some, which would at least improve solar output, but that's a challenge (again, the city does trimming on their own schedule). Consequently I'm only generating about 60-65% of my energy (even without an electric car or electric heat), but after federal tax credit and SREC money (eventually... long wait for SREC funds), the net cost is around $7k (solar, not including roof), so I didn't have to come up with a large amount of money and am getting significant reduction in my monthly electric bills, even so. I can imagine/dream that perhaps something like the Tesla roof will eventually come down in price some, and become more of a normal/standard roof sometime in the future (?) Initially I'd planned to get at least some battery backup, but the solar installer kind-of advised against it as not being financially beneficial given net-metering, although the batteries would have provided some outage backup... However, we have had few outages (it has been quite a few years between any outages of more than an hour - although could happen). While not as good from a climate perspective, a backup generator, even an automatic one, would be more cost effective, and in my case, and depending on weather, for an extended outage, the solar panels with batteries, would likely not provide enough power (multi-day outage particularly). By "depending on weather" I mean if you have an outage of more than a day due to a significant weather caused outage for instance, and you have cloudy or snowy weather, particularly if snow is covering panels, then the battery backup will run out and panels won't keep up with demand, which is part of my reason for saying a generator backup may be more reliable than batteries, particularly for an extended outage, and cost less money.
@xiaowei1
@xiaowei1 Месяц назад
Solar in the US is really expensive. In Australia I have a 13.2kw system for a total cost of just under $8000 ($5223 US) installed about 5 years ago after rebates. I'm installing a single 13.6kw battery which will cost $7,000 ($4,570 US) after rebates. The rebates for the solar are falling year on year, and would still be about $4,600 ($3,000 US) for a similar system today though the same size system after those rebates is now less than $7,000 ($4,570 US). The battery rebates are new, and will be $3,000 ($1,958 US). Of note, i can book in and have another 6.6kw to 10kw installed within a couple of weeks, as the red tape was solved a long time ago. The rebates on the batteries are more complicated due to the applying for rebates process (about 4 weeks), but they can also be installed fairly quickly. So for $15,000 (9,793 US), you can get a 13.2kw system with a single 13.6kw battery system all fully installed. As for a new roof, some quick research shows it's about $80 ($52 US) to $120 ($78 US) per m2.
@rba42
@rba42 Месяц назад
This is exacly what is so remarkable to me. I paid 3,500 euro for my 4 kWh system. Of course it's not as much as the 17 kWh, but still if you multiply by 4, you're nowhere near the 55.000 dollar. And the 3.500 euro includes panels, installation, wiring, additional switchbox and an inverter.
@xiaowei1
@xiaowei1 Месяц назад
@@rba42 yes, mine was completely installed too for the $8,000 Australian, and now its even cheaper with less of a rebate. I don't understand why it is so expensive in one of the biggest markets in the world. Perhaps this is something Matt can do a video on, because it makes no sense to me.
@_digifish
@_digifish Месяц назад
Yup. Same reaction. I paid $11,500 AUD ( 7,501 USD ) for a 7.7 kW system - 6 kW Sunny Boy inverter and Sunpower Maxeon 3 panels 2 years ago. Something is badly wrong with the US market.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Месяц назад
He's also living in one of the most expensive areas in the country.
@DPowered2
@DPowered2 Месяц назад
There is a push in the US to not allow renewables to replace too much of other methods as well as profit motive getting in the way of progress
@fleshreap
@fleshreap Месяц назад
Rich people things.
@dakota4766
@dakota4766 Месяц назад
Get rich.
@tariq_sharif
@tariq_sharif Месяц назад
No... fossil fuels are cheap because humans (IE your a-hole politicians) have decided to subsidise that source (either through lobbying or corruption), it's a choice not to support renewables, not some sort of "law of nature " like gravity
@petergerdes1094
@petergerdes1094 Месяц назад
Which is unfortunate because over the long run solar panels reduce your costs (at least in states with net metering).
@freeheeler09
@freeheeler09 Месяц назад
Rich or poor, as solar generation technology evolves, becomes more durable, and drops in price, it’ll become further integrated with traditional roofing materials. And,, eventually every home needs a new roof. So, whether you rent or own, in the future, your roof will likely be solar.
@Tuskbumper
@Tuskbumper Месяц назад
Word. I'd like the idea of getting solar panels and paying a monthly price that's half of the electric bill. I feel like that'd be the easiest way to get people to start purchasing them Edit watched the rest of the vid yeahhh nevermind the roof and everything 😅
@Grumpollion
@Grumpollion Месяц назад
Like Paul, I needed a new roof (old asphalt one was 20 years old and losing shingles) and wanted a sturdier one (very high winds in my area), and my home also faces south (didn't want panels on the front). I like my solar roof, but it took over a year between order and installation. Since then I've had no issues with it. I actually could have done without the powerwall since I have 1:1 net metering and can use the grid as my storage, but I guess the battery backup could come in handy (though we hardly ever have outages here). Tesla would not install the solar roof unless I also installed a powerwall.
@SPR8364-0
@SPR8364-0 Месяц назад
I live in sunny Colorado in a small 1,500 SF newly constructed home. We installed a 7.4 kW system using standard panels on a metal roof that is facing almost due south at a 45° slope. The solar installation was $21,000, with a $7,000 credit for a total of $14,000. I’m pretty happy with the results so far. For the last five years, we have covered all of our electricity usage with just solar. We use approximately 40% of the electricity we produce (directly and indirectly). Our house is all electric (no gas) but we don’t have an electric car. I also don’t have any battery storage. Way too expensive for me right now and our grid has been very stable. Our system is designed to be able to add batteries in the future though. If we lose the net metering, I may look at batteries at that time. Just thought it would be interesting as a point of comparison.
@Real_MisterSir
@Real_MisterSir Месяц назад
For mass adoption it's still one very simple issue: upfront cost vs long term benefit. I know literally everyone in my family want to install solar for years- but no one has done it yet. And everyone I talk to have the same sentiment: upfront cost is way too high, and change in market in the future makes it so people don't see it as a big investment. You may throw down 100k for solar on your roof, but it actually won't add long term value to your house because if you decide to sell it in 5-10 years, chances are things have become much cheaper/better by then, so your heavy investment is now more a burden than a benefit. Every single time, people who want solar hear the upfront cost, and get immediately discouraged. Pricing vs efficiency just is not there, and it's been fairly stagnant for almost 10 years now which is crazy to think about. I mean, we aren't really much further now, than we were in 2016, at least from an individual citizen perspective. Solar is still extremely expensive and not that efficient, it still has very long-term break even potential, and it's still something extra you add to your home where you have to consider reliability and maintenance/tech support if things don't work as intended. Just a lot of extra steps to commit to something that to many people doesn't even make financial sense in the first place. For solar to be relevant, there needs to be much bigger government incentive to provide tax credits for green adjustment of energy on a personal level rather than just mass grid level. Solar needs to be cheaper, the end.
@kkon5ti
@kkon5ti Месяц назад
That is a USA problem though. Elsewhere people dont move as much, and also have way cheaper options for solar. It‘s so cheap that 1 kWh of solar power costs about 0,02-0,03€ (if it were sold at its own price)
@Real_MisterSir
@Real_MisterSir Месяц назад
@@kkon5ti I'm not from the US tho, and I have family/friends in over a dozen different countries both in NA, Europe, and Middle East. Everyone say the same. Upfront cost vs long term gain just isn't beneficial, it's financially more sound to just invest that money into something that actually grows in value, rather than the opposite.
@Bobrogers99
@Bobrogers99 Месяц назад
All I know is what I read on the Internet, and my impression is that the Tesla equipment is in frequent contact with company mainframes, and that if there is a prolonged widespread outage and internet fails, after a period of time the Tesla system will shut itself down. So to me, there's an issue of control. I would also have a concern about repair and replacement of equipment if Tesla should suspend their roofing business. Standard solar panels and equipment are more likely to maintain availability.
@MarcSpctr
@MarcSpctr Месяц назад
That is not how it works. Just cause there is no Internet access it doesn't mean the Tesla cars will refuse to turn on or the Solar will refuse to produce electricity. Like wtf ???? That is valid for products that need to be turned on/off remotely and goes through companies servers to do so. Like IoT devices. In which case they will not work. Like Automated Lights/Cooling, etc if not made sure to run Offline, they will stop working if internet goes out. Not the Car or Solar Panels.
@Bobrogers99
@Bobrogers99 Месяц назад
@@MarcSpctr Good to know.
@EdwardRomano
@EdwardRomano Месяц назад
Your concerns about Tesla are valid. I'm very happy with my solar roof, but had a bunch of issues with the install. The fact that I was building a home seemed to make things worse. One example: Tesla had trouble committing to a date without seeing the exact locations of penetrations, for a roof not built yet. In the end I had to pay for a regular roof...and then rip it off 6 months later. I was locked in on cheaper pricing from years prior, so it was still worth it. I'm sure they are getting better, but don't assume the roof replacement savings are there just yet (especially for new construction)
@1diggers1
@1diggers1 Месяц назад
Holy CRAP! I'm glad I don't live in a cold area, that electric consumption is mind blowing to me. 500kwh is super high for me.
@scottrobinson3847
@scottrobinson3847 Месяц назад
Wow!! That’s a lot of power to break even and that’s if you pay cash.
@matarael
@matarael Месяц назад
That’s what I was thinking. On the low end of my power bill, it’ll be 35 years to break even. Yes it looks amazing, and I wouldn’t have to worry about blackouts. But 35 years? The technological advancements over that time to finally break even. I’d want upgrades by then.
@thomaskim3128
@thomaskim3128 Месяц назад
@@matarael Definetly not worth it. I had my conventional solar system installed in 2015, and I'm about to break even already. In a few months, I will have free electricity. Anything Tesla is a money pit. I bought a Tesla Y in August 2023 for $58K, after all taxes, today you can buy the same spec Model Y for about $49K - the depreciation is crazy.
@GLJosh
@GLJosh Месяц назад
I have looked into Solar for my house in the middle of Illinois. It would take between 10 to 15 years to see a complete return (5-year span is dependent on style of panels and changes in energy rates). Thus, making the potential of a decent return as long as my family doesn't need to move over the next decade.
@madcow3417
@madcow3417 Месяц назад
FYI my 10kW Tesla Powerwall+ overloaded and shut down because a 500W gas furnace's blower motor turned on. That's what their tech support told me. A 2000W UPS never had a problem with it. Powerwall is NOT recommended.
@marceldiezasch6192
@marceldiezasch6192 Месяц назад
500w? Lol, my cheap DYI setup can handle a 4,8 kW load off of battery power. That's pretty standard if you use BYD batteries.
@firstlast-cs6eg
@firstlast-cs6eg Месяц назад
Still the issue of heat both for panel efficiency and lifespan in terms of power production. Seen a video with someone showing how active cooling on PhotoVoltaics cost less energy than it helps produce, even when it's not that sunny or hot out. Lower heat can help with energy efficiency even down well past freezing. This also very much effects PV lifespan. PV raised up above a roof allows air to travel under the panels providing a bit of cooling (though I worry/wonder about how much the energy absorption of a medal roof plays into this) If the PV are tiles, there is no way for air to travel under the panels for cooling.
@petercrizer6102
@petercrizer6102 Месяц назад
We have a 50 panel 17.6 KW system on the shore of CT, and love it so far, (a little under two years, so I don't have enough hard data to offer true numbers, IMOHO), two Tesla batteries.
@_liminor
@_liminor Месяц назад
if it takes a public person reporting on a bug x 2 -- it's not a good sign imo
@Marti-234
@Marti-234 Месяц назад
It probably wasn't a bug, considering it's Tesla we are talking about.
@gksargen
@gksargen Месяц назад
I recently got a quote for a Tesla solar roof, and my decision to not do it was based on two factors: cost (200k) and the low confidence/trust in the installer. 18kW system with 3 powerwalls & Span...$200k! 😢 The installer is the only option in the area. Ended up continuing the dream without taking the next step.
@waltertoki1
@waltertoki1 Месяц назад
This was a terrific video. I have 9.1 kw Solar panels installed on my San Francisco house since Sept 2023. This cost $21K after tax credit. I estimate that I will get an average of 3 hours effective sunlight so I should get ~10,000 kWh per year. I am grandfathered into full NET metering from PGE and they charge nearly $0.50 per kWh. I drive a Tesla and I plan to install a ducted heat pump for my house so all my energy costs will be fully covered.
@ohary1
@ohary1 Месяц назад
Nice video. I put off solar for years mainly due to the tree canopy, particularly since 2 of the four most interfering trees were located on neighbors land. And even though those two trees were mostly overhanging my land, I wasn't sure if my neighbors would react. So when I had to take down 2 massive white pines in the front of my house (my rear roof faces nearly due south), I figured I'd take down the other 4 and go solar. I installed a 7.7kW system on the rear roof, and they were able to fit all 19 panels on the main roof wihtout having to go onto the garage as was originally planned. I flipped the switch the first week in January, and it being a cloudy month and low sun angle, I wasn't sure if I had gone big enough as I noticed the shading form the leafless trees caused more shadowing than I estimated, but now with the sun angle clearing most of the branches and the increase in daylight, I've turned the corner and am now starting to produce more electricity (averaging about 20 kW/day over the past 10 days) compared to my average consumption of 18 kW/day. It'll be interesting to see if I can bank enough kW to get me through winter, if not, I will add a few more over my garage, which my setup will allow for. I put a lot of cash up front realizing I'd get the 30% back from the fed, and $1k from the state in the form of tax credits. I also took out a 5 yr loan for the remainder of the cost which is only slightly higher than our typical average electric bill, but hope to pay it off even sooner.
@jcarman
@jcarman Месяц назад
People spending 100k-300k on solar is patently insane and is a reminder that solar is anything but "affordable".
@Dan-uh9sg
@Dan-uh9sg Месяц назад
Solar should be affordable, but the installers are price gouging like crazy in the US, even on standard panels
@lyledal
@lyledal Месяц назад
Holy cow, these costs are eye watering! Paul's setup cost as much as an entire house in a whole lot of places. Your setup would be a good chunk of an entire house though. Essentially, normal folks aren't going to be getting anything like these setups anytime soon. Ha! And that was Pauls *downsized* home? Love it!
@timblanche4153
@timblanche4153 Месяц назад
The cost of standard solar panels (incl. installation) in North America is rediculous. For example a medium sized 10KW system *installed* in Australia costs around $10K AUD (or about 0.58c USD / watt). And that's before any government rebates. The panel markup and labor cost the installers charge in North America is extortionate.
@alihms
@alihms Месяц назад
@timblanche4153 USD580 per 1kW is very cheap. Does this price include storage batteries as well? I am in Malaysia and recently installed mine at equivalent rate of USD 786 per 1kW (no batteries - sell excess power to grid).
@Iceeeen
@Iceeeen Месяц назад
@@timblanche415310k aud = 6k €That's around what I payed for a 9kw system 2 years back as DIY in europe. Panel prices have dropped significant since then. Would probably be able to do the install for 1-2k€ less today.. No way in h'*ll I pay the prices announced in this video, nor for solar roof or the small battery's. For couple of grand and you can get a used examplebig leaf battery and hook it up to the inverter, software is on github how to.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 Месяц назад
Well, Matts system is premium with batteries. You could easily cut that in half by just installing a more basic system with nearly the same kw.
@andrewt9204
@andrewt9204 Месяц назад
Just his solar panels and batteries cost exactly as much as my single home rambler... wild.
@charlestaylor3195
@charlestaylor3195 Месяц назад
I want mine installed on the ground. I have a big backyard. This day and age nobody uses their yards for anything necessary, and I've noticed new homes aren't built with big yards anymore. The only thing I do with mine is wear out lawn equipment. And I definitely don't want to use it for storage. I could build a house and rent it out, but there was a time when I was a maintenance guy, and I will never do that again. I haven't looked into it, but there's probably a limit to the number of panels you can own, if not I'll be set. There doesn't seem to be much info without some damned obligation of some sort. Great video Matt, your info really helps, thanks.
@slanew
@slanew Месяц назад
Love your vids, how you examine lots of numbers and make great breakdowns. I just wanted to clarify: Marques didn't get the software bug fix until he reported it to Tesla, and this was long after Paul got his fixed, is that right? As in, Paul and Marques got the bug fix individually applied, but only after individually reporting it, rather than Tesla rolling out a bug fix for all users?
@erik7853
@erik7853 Месяц назад
Its still pretty expensive, here i can get 36 560wp solar panels with all the cables and roof mounting gear for €7200, an 15.6kw deye inverter (sol ark eu equivalent)for €2000, 4x15kwh lifepo4 48v for €10k/ that makes like 19.2k or 21k USD. not including labour but that woul likely add around 6k USD
@jfolz
@jfolz Месяц назад
If memory serves correctly 15 kWp cost roughly 30k installed --- back in 2011 that is.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Месяц назад
He's also living in one of the most expensive places to live in the US. McDonald's workers where I'm at in the US, start at $16 an hour.
@jaidarling8855
@jaidarling8855 Месяц назад
Tbh I should think it would be also important to include long term cost comparisons such as the comparitive life spans of your respective battery solutions and how much they will cost to replace when that time comes. Also including the life span of your panels to his "shingles" which I would assume have a particular life span of their own and how much that will cost him compared to your replacement costs.
@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo Месяц назад
That would be great info, but nobody knows the real answers.
@tomkelly8827
@tomkelly8827 Месяц назад
I bought used solar panels. 4KW for $1300 Canadian. I flashed them together so they could act like shingles for the roof. So the solar panels are the roof for my woodshed. No leaks. It works great! So cheap too! Lead acid batteries store my power. They cost $2200 CDN. So I live off grid with very little generator use except for deep in the winter months for a little over $5000 CDN (with wires and charge controllers and inverters). With our snow loads here I really like my panels on the wall better though. I never have to sweep snow off of them in the winter. So I like my solar roof but my solar wall is my preference.
@joebullwinkle5099
@joebullwinkle5099 Месяц назад
Really great to see how both you and Paul came to different decisions in terms of which solar roof you decided to get. One issue I would’ve liked to have seen more info on is the software integration differences between the Tesla set up that Paul had with the integration of batteries and EV chargers And your situation and what are the differences in what your two different systems offer in terms of software integration and usefulness?
@Johannesvogell
@Johannesvogell Месяц назад
I am impressed how expensive solar power in the USA is. I have paid 20.000 € for 9,66 kW and a small battery in Germany.
@marceldiezasch6192
@marceldiezasch6192 Месяц назад
Yup and your contractor still easily made a 6k profit for ~40 man-hours of work. 150 an hour isn't bad for a handyman, lol. Now imagine how much the contractors in his video made...
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Месяц назад
He's also living in one of the most expensive places in the US.
@senhalil
@senhalil Месяц назад
That bug not getting fixed for everyone one all at once, or making a come back is very "convenient"...
@13minutestomidnight
@13minutestomidnight Месяц назад
Yeah it is convenient...but it's also completely realistic for software bugs. You wouldn't be able to tell if it was sloppy programming, a random mistake, or intentional. It could be any of them and there's not enough information to judge that (as far as I know, but I could be wrong).
@robburns1ne
@robburns1ne Месяц назад
In calculating the costs of solar, you should not only deduct the rebates, but also the present value of the cost of electricity you will not have to pay at Massachusetts rates (over for example the next 25 years). Also with so much battery storage, it may be that net metering is not for you. You might do the calculations to determine whether dropping net metering and going with time of use rates might save you far more. With so much battery storage and on-site solar, you might never need to pay high intraday rates and always get the deep discounted off-peak rates to recharge your home batteries.
@EatonZ26
@EatonZ26 Месяц назад
On Tesla's website I priced out my house using Tesla Solar roof and Tesla Solar panels....the cost difference is massive even between the two Tesla products...
@alexwalker2582
@alexwalker2582 Месяц назад
.....my entire house cost $168k.......
@ThreeLetterChop
@ThreeLetterChop 28 дней назад
I wish I could get a place at that cost here, hahaha.
@destroya3303
@destroya3303 Месяц назад
What a convenient "bug" for Tesla
@sanctusletum8522
@sanctusletum8522 Месяц назад
Never contribute to malice that which can be attributed to spaghetti code.
@span_io
@span_io Месяц назад
We're so glad that both Matt and Paul decided to install SPAN Panels in their homes to monitor + manage their energy! ☀🔋⚡📲
@agps4418
@agps4418 Месяц назад
i used flexible, lightweight, cheap chinese solar panels for my place and it's delightful. it works, it's not expensive, so basically it's cost efficient. my place is in the remote papua village, my panels total are around 800watts, and i'm planning to triple it
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