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Using THOR [or any high torque gun] on 1/2 inch lug nuts would most likely strip them. The Nascar gun limited torque in favor of speed. Notice where it sits at the 2-second mark in each test. 25% higher than its nearest competitor.
I used ru-vid.comUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
My guy, I bought an Ingersoll Rand 1/2" electric impact and it'll break your arm if you aren't careful. Claims 1500ft/lbs break away and I definitely feel it. No need for air tools anymore! Edited for a "
@@BriarHood lol one time I borrowed my buddy’s Milwaukee M18 1/2 inch and I went to use it one handed in my off hand at an angle and that sucker twisted my wrist like it was nothing lol I was alright tho
0:38 aluminum rims can't handle the inconsistent torque that steel rims could. On steel rims as long as they were tight you were good to go, even if opposing lug nuts were 50+ ft lbs different
We ran aluminum and magnesium three piece wheels in the grand-am series with these guns, not saying that they tolerated the torque inconsistencies better, I agree with you on the disadvantages, but they would stand up quite well for racing. We would have issues with wearing out the seats in the wheel faces from the steel lug nuts slamming to a stop on the faces before anything else, having to use a wire brush on a drill to clean out the old glue that held the lug nuts in place before the wheel was mounted to the car also accelerated wear on the seats. The reason why NASCAR forced the GT cars to run five lug setups in the first place is a much longer and deeper dive into racing series politics than worth getting into. Anyway the aluminum wheels would last several seasons but were treated as consumables just as the steel wheels were treated in the NASCAR stock car series. There was a batch of wheels that had cracking spokes but they were quite frankly being used by a team well past when they should have been retired and scrapped in order to save money, the manufacturer of that particular wheel did correct for the weakness in the spokes with an updated design but all the teams running the new designs were extra careful inspecting for a while until they were proven to be safe.
Aluminum is just so easy to work harden (means bending them once could compromise integrity because the more they bend the harder the alloy becomes and cracks will appear) unlike steel that has higher plastic deformation values where aluminum simply stretches too much or worse break off (say conrods)
Paoli wheel guns are intense. But they also need some seriously high pressure to run. No clue if our TTC boys have the necessary equipment to run them at full power
I bought the "street legal" version of this gun many years ago when I was first starting as a tech. LOUD is understatement. My brother worked in a building over a mile away from the shop I worked in and when our bay doors were open he always knew when I was working.
See if you can get your hands on the Joe Gibbs racing impacts that got banned a few years ago. Made every team have to use the same and or unmodded impacts.
Millions of dollars in R&D - for single race org's impact guns... Everyone complained about NASCAR "being lame" or whatever when the spec rule came in... but, seriously, millions of dollars into impact gun R&D, that's pretty sick from the nerdy gearhead's perspective(mine), but it sure as hell isn't great for attracting new teams to a sanctioning bodies' series. Any sanctioning body with half a brain would do something about that, it just plain isn't good for business(no one is showing up to the races to see the new Gibbs impact, so there's no real value in this for NASCAR).
@@RyTrapp0 I wonder if it couldn't be harvested, for the greater good of everyone... 🤔 There really is something to be said about the competitive spirit and drive of us, more specifically when paired with the ego of those who have millions of dollars. So perhaps allowing this unhinged spending, with the catch that they're only allowed the exclusive use of it for one (two?) year(s) after debuting, at which point: #1 The competitors all gain access to it, or perhaps to the design and specs, but maybe leaving manufacture left to each individual. The process is shared, just this like specific metallurgy or adhesives might be open. Same to be said for refinements. All of this would drive further competition to improve upon what's already made, all to better everyone in the long run. #2 More importantly, after... 3? years, such tech must make its way to the consumer space in some way. Either through the R&D financer's own company products, or licensing of it. Similarly, it cannot be one-off/limited-run or unobtanium in price. A sort of reverse of the old NASCAR policy of only racing what you sell to the public. (As for "who" has to bring this tech to market, the initial team or any team using it, is up for debate; if the former though, any substantial improvements would obviously merit that team meet the same requirement). In sure there's been similar already tried, or that there are plenty of flaws still in what I've said, but the point is to try and encourage that hey-day of Formula racing innovation, whilst not making it unfair for those who have the biggest financial backers. As close to "have your cake and eat it, too" as possible. _(apologies for any outstandingly bad swipe keyboard typos I missed!)_
This is an awesome example of an OG pit gun! You can see how the purpose-built Thunder Gun really is. Makes the beans in fractions of a second where split seconds always count. You don't need that in a regular shop environment, where longevity matters. Awesome to finally see some numbers on this pit gun. A huge "Thank You!" to Jonathan Fought, who was able to give you guys the shot you needed for this test! Have a good one!🏎🏎
My dad owned a garage for a long time. He said long ago they used their 1/2" gun a lot and had their air turned up to 150 or 160. He said they had to rebuild the guns occasionally. When I became aware of their tools they had several 1/2" CP guns and a 3/8" IR gun.
I do this at home. I have a little baby wurth gun that I regret buying. If I need to crack something tight I'll set the compressor pressure from 110 psi to 170 psi and piss the neighbours off. Certainly won't do that with lug nuts though 😂
Seeing a lot of comments about "...if you don't torque down multi-lug aluminum wheels evenly..." as the reason why NASCAR 'had to' switch to single nut wheels when they went to 18" - but GT/touring car racing, such as the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge series, still exists guys and they use multi-lug aluminum 18" wheels. And they typically have multiple pit stops per race that include tire changes using nothing more than an impact, no torque wrench in sight. And many series still race the high banks of Daytona(...for part of the lap on the road course...), with that immense side loading of the wheel & tire. That's not mentioning all of the street cars out there on big aluminum wheels, with lug nuts that were just zipped on with an uga duga gun, no torque wrench to be found. And they typically don't even get checked for 10s of thousands of miles, most of us just take that stuff for granted. The whole "aluminum will fail if not torqued evenly" claim is feeling pretty weak.
@@ruikazane5123 What money and how dose NASCAR benefit from this? NASCAR has just joined the 20th century with the new car. They were the last major racing series in the world that still use steel wheels, and five lugs.
@@Hazel-the-Amazon "New" is how. New regulations. New rules. And anything new costs money and they would not do this unless they can recoup it in one way or another
@@ruikazane5123 They recoup it by viewership. By people thinking NASCAR isn't an ancient series. By people not switching over to F1 or another sport. The cost of selling alloys and equipment, if NASCAR ever saw a dime (unlikely) would be almost nothing compared to the viewership they would gain or lose over a change like this. And from what I've seen NASCAR fans are incredibly excited over the change and viewership is likely to spike from it. Its the same moving from a live axle to independent suspension, people just didn't feel NASCAR was in touch anymore so NASCAR remedied that for more viewership, again to the excitement of fans.
Do you think you guys would test cordless ratchets? It probably wouldn't be that exciting but I'd like to see if claims match actual torque. If so I'd like to send a snapon
Well rusted parts being basically the only reason you need high power at all (outside big trucks and large scale construction) that’s quite a big exception, definitely not the case most of the time. speed doesn’t matter at all in any application I can think of other than racing so really dynamic would be the exception and max torque the rule
@@CarbonatedGravy Actually there is another place you want dynamic torque and that's aviation. A lot of the stuff we deal with isn't under the same amount of torque and with some things you end up having to take out a lot of fasteners. I've had panels and fairings I've pulled off that had me taking out hundreds upon hundreds of screws. It is in this case I prefer speed every time because even if whatever tool I'm using does not have the torque I'll go through and break it loose by hand so I can come in and zip everything off.
I'm a mechanic on a GT3 race team and we just recently got 2 paolis (the ones with the bias switch on top) and man those things rip our single lugs on and off with no problems, it's pretty insane
@@seitenryu6844 They make 1/2" drive hydraulics and claim about 500 ft lbs. The 3/4" drive units claim about 1,200 ft lbs max. Either of those would be totally within their test rig capability.
So no surprise there. It does what it was made for. It's optimized for being quick, not ultimate torque. The bolts on a race car are usually not rusted stuck... ;)
They had teams "tightening" only 4 of 5 [and 3 of 5] lug nuts. Races were won and lost by some [and others] taking chances that affect the entire field.
@@stans5270 Not just the field, but the spectators too. A loose wheel on the track has been fatal in more than one incident in the past. But the single nut is no guarantee that won't happen.
A unique sound from a unique tool, for a once unique sport. A noise that will forever be iconic to the very concept of cars to an entire generation of enthusiasts. Another way NASCAR will never be the same sport people fell in love with...
Oh man to see you guys rock a nitro tank would be on the level of excessive that most men only dream to be at. In other word I confidently speak for many when I say, oh f- ya man, bring on the F1 goodies. Bet you'd be the only one on the tube to actually test one
Changing to a single lug sucks. Part of the wild card part of NASCAR was the lug man doing his job correctly & quickly. It could mean the difference in he messed up & that's just human.
Guys us circle track asphalt racers can get NASCAR nine inch Ford rear ends from last gen car for really cheap shocks springs and tons of suspension parts and drive train parts so cheap now for asphalt latemodels sprint cars outlaw latemodels andodifieds from the NASCAR teams directly or second chance race parts in Mooresville they have everything that race teams don't need they sell it to second chance for cheap then us racers get the parts dirt cheap. 900 dollars worth of break pads I got for 75 bucks that had 3 laps on them from Bristol and fit in our calipers for local asphalt cars lots of the last year gen parts we can adapt for asphalt latemodels and local classes. Check out second chance race parts for tools and equipment NASCAR teams can't use anymore will be dime a dozen for sale at second chance anything to do with oval racing they got it for sale even whole chassis and cars from last 10 years that are legal for arca racing or even as a chassis for vintage NASCAR races cuse the body just had to look vintage chassis can be new or old that doesn't matter just the body they care about
Pit crews use special sockets not like a normal impact socket. You don't have to be perfectly lined up with the nut. At least that's what I've been told.
Idk. Great video, but i'm not really a fan of the swap. I enjoyed the 5 lug pit stops. Seems like more of a challenge. I get that the uni-lug is faster, but watching put crews work was always hugely entertaining. F1 stops just aren't as fun.
Interesting that Formula 1 is also getting larger wheels, going from 13" to 18" this year. Have had single lugs forever, with guns powerful enough to rip your arm off (or strip the splines of the nut.)
Well, at least will still hear the Italian guns in the Xfinity and Truck series. Then when Nascar mandated that gun a few teams started playing around with the gasses and then Nascar had to regulate the gas.
Try buying another one, I want one for home and work. I should have bought two when they were available! And he says the pit gun is basically not available for purchase, but showcasing one himself...
Nascar just isnt what it was. Its all ads, politics and no cars. I remember back in the 80s when the cars were at least TRYING to look the same. Now, the same plastic shell can be either a Camaro or a Camry. Really? Its a sport thats not meant for car people anymore. And F1 again...not a sport for car poeple that like to own, build, drive, race, restore or do anything with a car they own. Soccer has more appeal because it is more similar to kicking a ball made of balled up rags than any of the motorsports today.
"street legal" like there's some law preventing anyone from buying/building one.. 🤷👉👌 If you want some real horsepower check out the one inch drive version with the six inch anvil. Makes that thing look like a child's toy.
Great video, I especially like the breakdown to see the internals. This illustrated why I always hated working in shops where guys had the street legal and had to brap it all the time. Loud yes, powerful? Meh. I still have my original Mac composite gun from the early 00s. Made in Japan precursor to the qtimax stuff, found its first real match with the new Milwaukee 18v full size guns. Thanks for the honesty in testing.
Nascar is honestly shite, it's left, left again, another left, left. Touring, F1, endurance, banger, all better forms. But, I'll admit the tools are pretty bloody good.
The NASCAR Impact is the same shit with guns really, unless you're a cop or military you can't get certain toys. Well unless you're with NASCAR the unneutered thunder gun can't be bought retail.
I know IR was a NASCAR sponsor for decades before the Thunder Gun. Anyone know what guns the crews used before the Thunder Gun? I wonder why they didn't sell the real NASCAR version TG? I get that they would not want to warranty it but I bet they could have sold a few even without a warranty.
I'm not going to say anything anout my company but we get ingersol rand impacts for industrial applications all the time. The dealer rep knew I drive asphalt latemodels and that I go to races where we have live green flag pit stops so he gifted me 4 nascar pit guns and man it's so nice. I run two of them off of bottles with nitrogen in it so that way you can fill tires with nitrogen and run the guns off the compressed nitrogen bottles. My volunteer pit crew loved it we ran live pit stop practice in my driveway and we got it down to 15 seconds all 4 tires with wide 5 hubs. That self aligning socket we use makes huge difference so you don't gotta lift off the trigger
It's interesting that your Outro screen is showing all LH thread bolts and nuts. Excellent comparison and build on the IR. I'm glad you guys showed up. With Real Tool Reviews falling off the map, you were needed here! Cheers! Zip~
Why would you even test it if you don't have the right criteria to run it it kind of is an unfair Comparison go rent a 2000 PSI nitrogen tank and get a regulator
So, let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. The gun that NASCAR uses is designed in such a way that the anvil swings around and allows them to remove/tighten without the gun losing any power while guns we use have to build that power back up if used in the same manner?
The nascar guns where designed for speed and limited torque setting, the anvil is designed as a spinning weight. (Think of it as a wheel of small hammers) The more common street guns have a anvil set up that is like a single large hammer being swung and hits hard at one point - thus being slower to start but having more overall power
Some people have never watched DTM / BTCC / F1 all these use aluminium alloy or magnesium wheels with single a Center nut. Also people don’t understand physics a 30-32kg 18” steel wheel going 150+mph coming off is going to be a lethal weapon that WILL rip thought the fence and walls
Yeah, but plenty of previous IMSA and current Pirelli and GT World Challenge cars and GT4 cars running 5 lug aluminum 18" wheels without issue for years.
So.. correct me if i’m wrong here but is this not what we saw with the w7152? Massive dynamic torque out of the gate but plateau once it hits the 500ftpd mark as if it’s saying “this is all you should need in a 1/2 gun” ?
The loss of the 5-lug wheels is a major backstabbing of pit crews of the past. There is now no way to compare pit times from different eras. Shame on NASCAR.
Hell yeah, you actually got your hands on one. This is awesome, can't wait to see what else you manage to find. It'd also be cool to see how these run on nitrogen, especially if you get a Paoli gun and you can retest this one in the same video. I love this channel, thanks to you I'll be switching from my stubby Aircat to an Astro Onyx Nano and also be picking up an Astro Onyx Thor for a full size gun.
mac at one time sold a nascar lug socket that was made in-house. the nascar socket isn't a true 6 point, more like a 6 point spline drive like GP 1/4 in drive impact sockets inside
