Testing Another YouTuber's Thermal Compound! 

Hey man thanks! I had a blast with this stuff and enjoyed the heck out of your video about it. Some people seem to be under the impression that we don't like the product but I think they've misunderatood the point of our test. We felt your video already covered its performance compared to other (commercial) thermal epoxy well-enough. Our test was just in response to our community's silly suggestion. For next time maybe I can make this more clear but I though by the time I took a hammer to the CPU it would be clear this wasn't a recommended application for this product!!! - LS Edit: one theory I had (after shooting) was that a much stronger clamp would give me more similar performance by squeezing out more of the excess epoxy. Unfortunately many of the "screw-down" type mechanisms that allow you to fine tune the clamping force are more prone to user-error. I wanted something brain-dead simple (and of course expendable haha).

i wonder if you can make some thermal paste with some liquid metal like galium alloys and mineral oil.

@@LinusTechTips Please do the internet a favor and send the rest of the epoxy over to Gamers Nexus so Steve can do an empirical set of tests on it.

@@Tailslol Sounds close to liquid metal minus the mineral oil

@@Tailslol Why not just use the liquid metal used in delidded CPUs?

Ahh Yes, Gamers Nexus has Joined the Chat

two titans meet... as it was written

underrated comment

I think Steve need to show how to heat up the CPU with a torch, rather than a hot air pistol!!!🤣

did you ever test this ?

Liking this for more visibility, let's do our part for the small devs

I want to see if LTT or Linus will even address this, or what argument will Linus use in the next wan show, to explain how what they this is totally legit and using adblocks is wrong.

Well said brother, came here to exactly say this. Using Ad blocker is piracy but this fine.

Replying to bump

bump it up!!!

in the end it shouldnt have performed THIS bad even if the ingredients were missed by half a blob

@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 Did you notice in both videos the resting temperature was 67/68?

@@greygunner no i didnt thanks for pointing that out i guess

How are u so early?

It was unlisted

@@CtrliPhones oh god i see what you did there

@RITA [FUCK ME] OPEN MY CANAL 🗿

@RITA [FUCK ME] OPEN MY CANAL Are there bots on youtube?

what am i a science man that reads?

why doesn't it just come premixed

@@jacobmeader8117 hardens when you mix it

@@jacobmeader8117 because its an epoxy. It chemically hardens when mixed.

An Epoxy is two liquids that once mixed become solid and that process typically is irreversible, to sell it premixed would be to sell a syringe full of dry cement effectively. some epoxy manufactures have a work around to this with a double syringe so as you push down on the plunger the correct amount of epoxy liquids comes out both nozzles but that's very likely beyond the scale of what Tech Ingredients can set up

Xenronnify thx

Damn... You made my Day:-)

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Maybe add gone wrong in brackets

Im dying

'Don't say "methinks" ever again.' - Peter Griffin

People that say methinks are neck bearded, fedora wearing, sword owning virgins.

@@crimescene25 Wrong. Only chads who made 4 touchdowns in one game and won their team the championship use it.

I was looking for a comment to see if someone noticed the CD

@@crimescene25 what you got against sword owners, huh? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JPN4gK9rOto.html

Well played.

Don't tell Apple, they might enter the desktop market.

@Zippydsm Lee As a guy who had to wrestle with his CPU for an hour trying to yank it from the motherboard... I don't

@@elsasslotharingen7507 i might get wooooshed, but apple does have a desktop

@@loganatori6117 r/woooosh

Kevin Ruan prolly a yt bot, better not interact with the comment!

"My goals are beyond your understanding" lol

make sure to leave some for yourself too, thermal paste is yummy

I then get in the bathtub to to make sure my body heat isn't increasing the pc temps

Linus never told you about the time he was a nurse and saved the syringes after drawer blood. What?!

Came here to say this. Sometimes his cavalier solutions are useful, but sometimes they are just dumb (this being one of those times).

for a RU-vidr, CC always means Closed Caption.

@@DarrenC_1024 Funny, I had no problem understand the context on the sentence when using the term 'cc' properly to describe the units on a syringe. The more you know ;)

Yeah, Eyeballs @ 11:30, you know what's up, Eh

It'd probably be a larger difference if the temps got higher.

@@TechnoMinarchistBall its like air cooler and water.

The cooler was pretty capable for the chip tbh, it'd show more in a lower end cooler, however I think they're probably underestimating the thermal paste that's included with that cooler. Thermaltake's paste isn't *that* bad, not nearly as bad as that generic white paste you can get in bulk from Chinese ebay resellers. Stock thermal paste included on CPU coolers have even come a long ways in recent years.

Nivea creme = about the same

Air cooler = barely run AIO = 4.9-5.1ghz of bulldozer goodness. My PC when I decided to go with a 9590 a few years ago.

That boat sailed sometime ago, with skechy sponsers like Raid: Shadow Legends, Nice Hash, etc. And then there's the pointless tiles, and misleading tumbnails.

This

@@xicofir3737 Hence why Rain: Shadow Legends was dropped soon after the community complained on WAN show. As for Nice Hash, I believe they addressed them talking about Nice Hash in their Norton Crypto Miner video.

_And a Laboratory made for gamma scientists_

+ a short university degree in science later...

Diamond xD

I used to fix old overheating xbox red ring off death with artic silver.

You should have done **Factory noises**

The verge doesn't use screwdrivers, they hope their Swiss army knife has one.

At least he did not use "tweezers"

@@aloykatos They use fake news "zipties" and "tweezers" Gosh guys get it right..

@@Napster60 Don't forget the live strong bracelet

@@justsomeguy5470 And the CPU applicator tool that everybody definitely uses

Clearly you've not used much epoxy and learned that it works like buttered bread, where your mixing paper always lands wet side down.

@Millson Cleary all of what you said is true 🤣🤣

Gets glued to the floor

And ssd's kinda

He'll find a way

Lmao true

That's what I thought, soon as I saw 2 tubes to mix..

Thanks for pointing this out. Look at Linus's reply to Tech Ingredients on this very video on top and you'll see his response, before reading that reply, I was thinking that it was a new thing made for better performance compared to thermal paste, but it isn't, it is just thermal epoxy and they have marketed as something that performs better compared to OTHER THERMAL PROXIES, I think Linus addressed this poorly, and I'd appreciate it if you could confirm this, because English is my second language and I'm thinking maybe either I didn't pay enough attention or I didn't completely understand his whole statement. Thanks in advance.

Some people seem to be under the impression that we don't like the product but I think they've misunderatood the point of our test. We felt your video already covered its performance compared to other (commercial) thermal epoxy well-enough. Our test was just in response to our community's silly suggestion.

@@DeosPraetorian bruh use quotation marks or something

What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. Using a personal license for commercial use when they very well know they should have bought an enterprise license, and then blaming the rest of us for piracy because we don't want to get ads constantly shoved down our throats? Get fucked Linus.

@@Hypotaksen Yeah, I was about to unsub for the ad block "pirating" video, but decided against it Now? Yeah, unsubbed

@@CyberdriveAutomotive Have a good day sir

This

Also piracy infers to do something illegal, it is not illegal to use AdBlock software.

nah dude, i use to think the same, i switched to Gelid GC-Extreme and dropped 6-7c off of cured as5 (100% load) AND it doesn't cure, it stays tacky forever. i had a prob removing a cooler that was stuck to the cpu when using as5 and ended up (acidentally) ripping the cpu out of the socket, luckily everything was ok and no pins broke.

That brought me right back to my childhood

U and me both

I guess we're all just barbie girls in the barbie world...

but why was it still wrapped?

90's nightmares....

Why go easier route?

that’s a tech tip

he was increasing ambient temps around the cpu

@@LULU1422__ So that it heats up, turning the fan off does that as well

This

Step 1 Point bag towards CPU step 2 firmly plant feets on ground STEP 3 Instant cooling performance! step 4 PROFIT

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@@anithakandy2852 Jeremy Clarkson: 🥺

@@thalente8074 Then proceed to the spanner... ...with a hammer.

Adblock=Piracy Commercial use of software without paying for it=fine Linus=Tool

@Tango Crunch defending him?

This

Wait what software? this is a workbench that won't be used for production? so, using a commercial license makes no sense, they may have a commercial license but choose to do what they do with windows where you they don't activate on every install.

Does artic mx 4 taste better than noctua?

@Random Fandom Only one way to find out!

@@yuddpudd try not to die I guess

I.C. Diamond is the tastiest imo

I know, i feel i was click baited.. but not.

Eh that cpu is worth less than the metal it's made of

Well, actually if you have a cheaper tower cooler, for example my Be Quiet Pure Rock, and I had like a 3600x which'll be powerful enough for a few years, and the epoxy would be absolutely perfect with conducting heat, i'd be gluing it on. For the gained performance, it's not such a bad thing. Heck, I bet for just a little extra you could sell it with the cooler afterwards

@@Bloodray19 why not spent the surplus price for this epoxy on a better cooler?

If you're going to epoxy on a cooler, then you seriously should think about de-lidding it anyhow.

for consoles tho? 😎😎😎🤔

That is so true lol

yeah, just stop the fan for a few mins to get it to heat up

Praise

Praise

Ikr

Hahahahah lmao

Linus: "No YOU broke it!"

Time stamp?

@@berat700_ 10:08

@Ahmed Shuaib thank you

You’ll make your way… Releasing the Title of God of Pak-Toe does not mean I abandon my people of the plain… For I will always be your King of Angels and Demons, and She will always be The Queen of the Forgotten, The Lost, and those whom did not give into Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, or any of them SEVEN DEADLY SINS… Also, I am no longer The Commander for you must learn to command your selves, your souls, and your symbiots, and the SOLIDS can be guides, or The Solids can work as one with these EVIL SPIRITS and since we know there are TWO Type of Light, we The Society of nonmason will follow the Light of Truth - Justice - Wisdom while the FREE MASON Lodge Members will follow the Dead Light of Lies, Conspiracy, and Collusion...It is said, there is a TIME before the CEMENT Dries, and we are all stuck with the MACHINE PEOPLE and their NEW WORLD ORDER, so I would destroy all 5G Eugenics TIME LOOP Technology and Mechanization before these 192 U.N. FLAGS kill all We The People of the HUMAN RACE… If you want (COVID19) to be gone, and the make it be gone for the Animals do not have to WEAR A MASK unless it is the Muzzle on a raging Animal, and though we Flesh and Blood and Bones People are THINKING Animals in Corporeal Temporal TEMPORARY Carnal Bodies, do you wish to allow FRAT BOYS and FRAT GIRLS to live off your TAXES as Welfare Babies whom always tell you what to do cause their Daddy or Their Mommy is a FREE MASON Judge, City Council, School Board, or Preacher of this or that RELIGION in your home town that also makes them kids of Church People WELFARE BABIES whom live of the Donations and Gifts to Church Tithing to say: We Speak for IN GOD WE TRUST, and we will send you off to WARS to murder other nonmason be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Baptist Shiva and Sunnite, and all the rest.?.?.?.? The no longer give many to any POLITICAL PARTIES or RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS Just as Christ Jesus showed the BANKERS run the CORPORATIONS that run the Religions and the Governments!!! After all, do not the CORPORATIONS Tell you to put on that SLAVE MASK EMPLOYEE, or you will not have a Job???? Do not these CORPORATIONS make the Weapons of Murder for your Military People to kill we the Tax Paying Citizens of our lands be we Dark to light skin no matter our Eye and Hair Color???? Then while should we go to these U.S. FLAG Hollywood to Bollywood TV Commercial ORGANIZATIONS - AGENCIES - ESTABLISHMENT when without our Welfare and Money no COMPANY can push We The People around!!! The CORPORATIONS did not make our FLAT Duel Earth called Mother Heaven and Father Earth, and all things from Perfumes to Gold and Silver to Diamond to Gems to Seeds bring for the things we need without INSPECTION or INSPECTORS saying, I need to Take your Temperature and do a Corona Beer Bat Snake TEST up your nose….. The longer you belong to the STOCK MARKET the longer you remain a SLAVE - Servant - Subordinate to Rapist, Pirates, and Thieves… I have learned many things in my life walk as The Teacher, and Christ Jesus Returned in the Flesh and Blood and Bones of an MORAL MAN with connection to the Esoteric World of the All Mighty Source of all Creation and all Destruction, and that is only a FOOL would want WAR when we can share the land, the sea, and the air as we once did when we were all Tartarian, and these Chaldean had no way to take our land, and air, and seas, but now we find ourselves trapped in THE DAYS OF NOAH over and over while Nuclear ATOM BOMBS caress the ICE WALL of our Celestial Sphere, and Trump and Putin and Xi put 5 Megaton Weapons on Jets and stand alone FLYING DRONES controlled by The EDISON Machine of FORCED LABOR Technology in Santa Barbara CALIFORNIA USA… Johnny Exodice End to the UNITED NATIONS [International Mafia] at mewe.com/i/johnnyexodice [///|||\\\] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Write In President dafuq

It's his covid beard.

@@astonedcanadian533 Well Covid best be around forever... Otherwise we willl go back to: Linus grow a bread.

As I wanna be Linus Iv grown mine as well...

A grew a beard months before anyone started to do that around me. Even the King (who is not around me, and I dont personally know or so) started to do it after me.

respectfully disagree.

Well linus isn't known for his amazing pullout game.

After doing something like that my CPU I replaced it and the MOBO* granted I know for a fact the CPU pins were bent to hell and back and there's no way I was going to go through and individually bend back each and every one. *Just in case there was a loose pin or something in the old one I didn't want to fry a new chip.

My first build had an FX and an r9 270x innit. Too bad the PSU/Mobo died in the move. Miss the ol' space heater. Still kickin around just wont post. Seriously though, my teenage bedroom was always like 5-10F hotter than any other room in the house.

@@sovietbear3024 I've got a PowerMac G5 with two dual core cpus, and it is litterealy equivalent to a space heater.

@@sovietbear3024 My first build also had an FX 8320 and a r9 270x xD, the GPU and the mobo died, but the CPU it's still working haha, and yeah my bedroom was way hotter than any other room.

@@sovietbear3024 I ran an FX 6300 and 2x R9 270x CPUs in XFire. The thing seriously kept me warm in the winter when I would play GTA IV until 1-2 am. Now it is my high school best friend's wife's computer. The thing refuses to die despite changing hands 2 times now. The only changes it has had is it has an SSD now and I removed 1 GPU because of XFire support slowly dying. For what it's used for, the thing still runs well. I'm impressed it's still useful nearly 7 years later, especially knowing the FX line.

He started mixing up such a minute amount that the scales wasn't very useful. If he'd done it all in one go the scales would probably have worked though. From what I saw of the original video from Tech Ingredients they did apply the epoxy much thicker that what Linus did. That's also understandable as the components they used doesn't have a flat smooth surface like the CPU and the Cooler Master HSF, so it has to fill larger gaps and the slightly porous surface on that ceramic resistor.

@@blahorgaslisk7763 look at the scales on the syringes @ 1:00 there's no sane reason for not using at least that much out of that whole syringe, also the larger amount you use makes the measurement error relatively smaller so you'll be getting closer to the recommended 1:3 ratio for an accurate test

@@vola-2899 tech ingredients replied to this video and said the application looked OK

This *was* on a CPU that throttled at a fairly low temperature. I've had CPUs that didn't throttle till 95 C, which is where the real difference would show up.

This isn't thermal paste. This is thermal epoxy. They aren't intended for the same use cases. There is a reason thermal paste doesn't normally glue your heatsink to your cpu, because it doesn't have to. Thermal epoxy is for when you can't attach a heatsink conventionally.

Well the performance paste didn’t throttle.

Do the test again after a year or so. Most likely then "garbage thermal paste" would be way worse at that point.

Wrong CPU, and two degrees on air just for paste means a lot. When you have a delidded CPU under water, paste starts to matter a lot more.

But can you trust it after watching this?

Yes! I absolutely love that channel, it was great to see this on LTT even if it wasn't amazing.

@@oldbatwit5102 Linus compared it against thermal greases and not thermal epoxys, so the comparison isn't fair.

spakecdk except that tech ingredients claimed it was better than arctic silver which is a thermal PASTE

@@markirving6397 artic silver thermal epoxy is available on amazon uk

*werewolf Edit: c'mon man, I know it's a typical spelling issue, but I'd rather point it out so he learns how to properly spell it and stop spelling it wrong in the future. I myself am not a native speaker too. That's how we learn...

@@andrive cmon man, this is a global platform. basing from the name, he might not even be a native english speaker. dont be that guy

@@andrive he isn't. He is a WAREwolf, get it. NVM.

@@geodacs as the guy above said this is an international platform. Dont be that guy. Nemoj biti taj lik

@@darkomilosevic1659 He... He was making a joke about the warehouse... C'mon man don't be that guy.

Best point made!

lmao respectably after the end result

ROG is so crap aswel

Do not quote on me on this, but I do not believe I ever saw Aorus during AM3 and AM3+ time period. Asus/ROG, Gigabyte(Not Aorus) and AsRock was pretty much the standard for those builds back in the day.

Sponsor and Content are separated

@@LocoMe4u What's bad about ROG? Also, *as well, and Louie never claimed AORUS is bad, so "as well" doesn't make sense. What is your favorite?

Xray Gaming thx. Under A Bridge Too Far, I think that ASUS, Gigabyte, ASRock and MSI are all great motherboard manufacturers. If you think ROG and AORUS suck, well then you don't need to get one if you don't want. I currently use an AORUS motherboard, and it works great. I'm generally neutral when it comes to buying a motherboard. I get what fits the budget, has the features I want, and has good reviews.

At least I hope LTT acknowledged it in the next wanshow.

@@xicofir3737 Linus is a known scumbag, do you really think he gives a shit?

He has a legal obligation to pay for that software, he runs a business. It's not a garage project anymore where he could maybe get away from this.

@@supra107 Absolutely agree.

@@puzzlejinx Not about you no tofu meatloaf.

You should see what he did to his Cartoons' cd!

Yeah, It would probably hold a bigger value than that PC to a collector :/ At least eventually.

Jeg er ikke sur.. jeg er skuffet

I loved that album when I was a kid. Ahhh the memories!

Barbie girl...

It’s like Linus takes older hardware for granted!

It's a sexual joke i think

I've been holding up for 25 minutes now Can I now stop

RJK7 no

@@shitpostcentral8744 my fingers starting to hurt :(

me too. one of the first CD's I had as a kid.

As a kid, this & my Chumbawamba cassettes were the first I ever bought at Sam Goody on my way to rent a movie at Blockbuster 🤣🤣 Crap I'm old!!

What is this? Don't make me start spamming "last time I was this early, Snazzy still used a MacBook" crap on ur videos now! 😂😂

@@LinusTechTips that is bruh moment

@@LinusTechTips no balls you wont

Yes

@@LinusTechTips Lol

my imediate reaction was nooooo not on the Aqua album.... yeah its one of my guilty pleasures

:D haha, same here. Doctor Jones. also Barbie Girl. still rockin till today

It's looking for this comment!

Happy boys and happy girls will be. Mmm, yeah, so haaaaaapy.

Roses are Red was my favorite

Cryo glue

I paused the video just to confirm my eyes hadn't played a trick on me hahaha

@@leocompany BARBIE girl!

I'm just laughing at the fact that they had an Aqua CD just laying around in the office

@@Samvitch i did too

@@KylerJones and the fact its been sealed in there for over 20 years haha

Yeah, that was exactly the use case I was thinking of is on something like a Pi where regular paste won't work well. The other option is thermal adhesive tape/pad which is much much worse than this. What would be interesting is to see a third party test vs arctic alumina which is the general competing product. Thermal epoxy isn't really that expensive though so I am not sure why he claimed it was expensive, I definitely wouldn't want to try making it myself though for the low cost of it.

Agree

100%

OMG, yes. I came to the comments section just for this.

True dat. 8.1Ghz

If I had a penny for the amount of FX and AM3 chips I was able to get working again I'd be swimming in a tub of psuedo copper zinc coins.

Danish group, Aqua :D

I had a VHS tape of them

Yes the CD stood out 😄

I still have it in a box somewhere :)

ok boomer

Same but I got the cooler master ml240r. It's dope for $80 and I don't go over 50°c

@@butter5694 Yeah, I got a cheap $20 cooler with 4 heat pipes and a 80mm pwm fan and dont get past 52c until its 85f+ in my place at 4.3ghz (4.0ghz quad core in the summer)

Pfft peasants: FX-9590 @ 4.7 Ghz (Stock speed) with an aftermarket cooler - Still hits like 69ºC under heavy load, and I've seen max of 76ºC

Me too! But not stock cooler. FX-8350 on water cooling clocked at 4.8 GHz on all cores since it was new. Temps never over 60C.

Just upgraded from an 8350 50-54c in summer, 280mhz fsb 17.5x multi, 1.392v, 4.76ghz on water.

I think he presumed it would've been dead after yanking it out of the socket twice. Still, that kind of tech gore hurts.

@@SyphistPrime Bulldozer deserves it.

And there was little difference between that old crap included with the cooler and the Noctua. MX-4 is basically the same and cheaper. Don't be a fanboy when it makes you pay more for no benefit.

​@ジョージ様 and the MX-4 could cure corona

You’ll make your way… Releasing the Title of God of Pak-Toe does not mean I abandon my people of the plain… For I will always be your King of Angels and Demons, and She will always be The Queen of the Forgotten, The Lost, and those whom did not give into Hatred, Jealousy, Envy, or any of them SEVEN DEADLY SINS… Also, I am no longer The Commander for you must learn to command your selves, your souls, and your symbiots, and the SOLIDS can be guides, or The Solids can work as one with these EVIL SPIRITS and since we know there are TWO Type of Light, we The Society of nonmason will follow the Light of Truth - Justice - Wisdom while the FREE MASON Lodge Members will follow the Dead Light of Lies, Conspiracy, and Collusion...It is said, there is a TIME before the CEMENT Dries, and we are all stuck with the MACHINE PEOPLE and their NEW WORLD ORDER, so I would destroy all 5G Eugenics TIME LOOP Technology and Mechanization before these 192 U.N. FLAGS kill all We The People of the HUMAN RACE… If you want (COVID19) to be gone, and the make it be gone for the Animals do not have to WEAR A MASK unless it is the Muzzle on a raging Animal, and though we Flesh and Blood and Bones People are THINKING Animals in Corporeal Temporal TEMPORARY Carnal Bodies, do you wish to allow FRAT BOYS and FRAT GIRLS to live off your TAXES as Welfare Babies whom always tell you what to do cause their Daddy or Their Mommy is a FREE MASON Judge, City Council, School Board, or Preacher of this or that RELIGION in your home town that also makes them kids of Church People WELFARE BABIES whom live of the Donations and Gifts to Church Tithing to say: We Speak for IN GOD WE TRUST, and we will send you off to WARS to murder other nonmason be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Baptist Shiva and Sunnite, and all the rest.?.?.?.? The no longer give many to any POLITICAL PARTIES or RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS Just as Christ Jesus showed the BANKERS run the CORPORATIONS that run the Religions and the Governments!!! After all, do not the CORPORATIONS Tell you to put on that SLAVE MASK EMPLOYEE, or you will not have a Job???? Do not these CORPORATIONS make the Weapons of Murder for your Military People to kill we the Tax Paying Citizens of our lands be we Dark to light skin no matter our Eye and Hair Color???? Then while should we go to these U.S. FLAG Hollywood to Bollywood TV Commercial ORGANIZATIONS - AGENCIES - ESTABLISHMENT when without our Welfare and Money no COMPANY can push We The People around!!! The CORPORATIONS did not make our FLAT Duel Earth called Mother Heaven and Father Earth, and all things from Perfumes to Gold and Silver to Diamond to Gems to Seeds bring for the things we need without INSPECTION or INSPECTORS saying, I need to Take your Temperature and do a Corona Beer Bat Snake TEST up your nose….. The longer you belong to the STOCK MARKET the longer you remain a SLAVE - Servant - Subordinate to Rapist, Pirates, and Thieves… I have learned many things in my life walk as The Teacher, and Christ Jesus Returned in the Flesh and Blood and Bones of an MORAL MAN with connection to the Esoteric World of the All Mighty Source of all Creation and all Destruction, and that is only a FOOL would want WAR when we can share the land, the sea, and the air as we once did when we were all Tartarian, and these Chaldean had no way to take our land, and air, and seas, but now we find ourselves trapped in THE DAYS OF NOAH over and over while Nuclear ATOM BOMBS caress the ICE WALL of our Celestial Sphere, and Trump and Putin and Xi put 5 Megaton Weapons on Jets and stand alone FLYING DRONES controlled by The EDISON Machine of FORCED LABOR Technology in Santa Barbara CALIFORNIA USA… Johnny Exodice End to the UNITED NATIONS [International Mafia] at mewe.com/i/johnnyexodice [///|||\\\] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++