Testing Diamond-Coated Routerbits + Giveaway & Free Spreadsheet

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For some time now, I had a surfacing bit with carbide inserts and an 8mm shaft, which is a common standard size for router bits in the EU. I quite like it, and the manufacturer of it is Fraiser. So I had a look at their website and found some other bits for the CNC router that seemed to be very promising. And they also have an affiliate program. So I contacted them and asked for a few router bits. And in exchange for this video, they sent them to me. So yes, this was a sponsored video. Instead of a project, I first wanted to push the bits and my CNC machine to the limit. Also, I wanted to have cutting data that were made on my machine. For the future, that means I never have to guess what cut settings I need to use. I can just look them up. And that's what I did in this video.
Thanks again to Fraiser for supporting this video and making the giveaway possible.
Download link for my Excel spreadsheet with cutting data:
1drv.ms/x/s!Av...
you can download it, or you can also directly use online
Link to the test program: 1drv.ms/u/s!Av...
Affiliate links for the router bits:
German links:
*Hobelfräser mit Wendeplatten: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser positive Schneide: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser negative Schneide: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser wechselseitig (Kompression/ Nesting): www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnut-Schruppfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Konischer Spiralkugelfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralkugelfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Fräser Set: www.fraisertoo...
English links:
*Spoilboard Surfacing Cutter: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Downcut bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Compression/ Nesting bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut roughing bits (with chip breaker): www.fraisertoo...
*Conical Spiral Upcut ballnose bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut ball nose bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Bit set: www.fraisertoo...
Second giveaway hint: What is your project that you want to use the router bit for?
Enjoy the video!

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@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

The giveaway is over. I've randomly picked three winners. The winners are: Fran Maric, Michael Benthack and Lap Joint. I've replied to your comments.

@Zaptastic 3 года назад

#Fraiser Great video, these bits would work great in my router table for box joints, thanks for the spreadsheet. That looks like a lot of work, very much appreciated.

@tommysts1920 3 года назад

Fraiser bits, nice German name, like mine last 2 letters ending in "er" If I had a CNC machine I would use them to duplicate small projects to give away to friends and family :-) But, they would work great with my router table too! Love all your videos, and your English is wonderful! I wish my German was as good as your English!

@phrozenwun 3 года назад

Not commenting for the give away, just because your content deserves to be bumped up by the YT algorithm. Thanks!

@huskyrider360 3 года назад

This was a ton of work and I thank you so much, that you did this and provide the data for us!!! I think I will try the router bits for one of the next projects.

@OtherThanIntendedPurpose 3 года назад

very good comparative analysis on speed and material consumption. thank you. these are really cool bits. and the cuts looked great.

@sarahtompkins24 3 года назад

I do not have a CNC machine but I would never skip through one of your videos. They are full of information for future use and entertainment.. keep it up please.

@MrCurstesy 3 года назад

Does anyone else wish they were as focused as Marius? Every video I see of him gives me a little personality crisis...

@neygart1929 3 года назад

Ich wünschte ich hätte Platz für eine CNC Maschine. So bleibt mir nur danke zu sagen für deine unglaublich ausführlichen Videos und dir ein gutes und gesundes Jahr 2021 zu wünschen.

@brianknowles7130 3 года назад

Good to have you back. You've been sorely missed . ! We need your ideas and humour. Thks

@TheDeerInn 3 года назад

The 8mm roughing bit is fantastic, I don't have any bits that don't chatter. I did add two liner rails to my CNC Shark, which uses two polished steel rods, I couldn't believe how much flex they had in just a 900mm length rod. It had roughly 5mm of up and down play at the bit and could not be used for anything requiring detail, but not anymore, virtually no play at the bit now.

@theteenageengineer 3 месяца назад

It’s interesting that they make solid carbide diamond coated bits for routers. Usually machinists use solid carbide endmills because you can run them 2 to 4 times faster than you can for high speed steel. They are also the best thing to use if you have to cut something hardened. The only issue with carbide is that you can actually run them too slow, and any slight variations in feed rate or sudden movements means chipping the teeth right off. Because they are solid carbide you can probably get away with 10,000RPM 2500mm per minute for soft wood, and 7,500RPM 1900mm per minute for hard woods.

@drewgraham7877 3 года назад

Great video! Enjoyed all of the data review as well. I always look forward to your videos as they have lots of amazing information. Best of luck on the give-a-way!

@fredrikpalm2739 3 года назад

Thanks for great videos! I have the fraiser flattening bit, and really likes it. Now I can use your cutting data to improve the speed of my cutting I would have use for the spiral bits for my bass guitar builds.

@gizmobowen 3 года назад

Amazing video Marius! I can't imagine how much time and effort you put into collecting all that data. I have an MPCNC that I'm still struggling with determining speeds and feeds. My 500W spindle definitely has less power than your machine and the stiffness is orders of magnitude less so I am really limited. I'd love to have a small diameter #Frasier bit for continuing on my journey but I don't know what I could make with it. Thank you for all your hard work and this give away. I like all your videos and really enjoy the ones that include your CNC router.

@daskasspatzle2396 3 года назад

Besides the random blue screen, i think that amazon boxes and "Pril" flowers together join different time periods and therefore are the foundation of a new style of art ;-) Thanks for sharing your work :-) Cheers from BG

@gsp911 3 года назад

Frasier could not ask for a better tester. Thumbs up, quality content as always.

@jasonshrieves4467 3 года назад

Wow, talk about money well spent for the bit manufacturer to give you bits and get such great data! I'm definitely going to get some when my stock of bits is depleted... but my CNC spindle only has a ER11 collet so only up to a 6mm shaft diameter bit. Thanks again for the info and inspiration!

@poptartmcjelly7054 3 года назад

Makes sense that the high RPM low feedrate generates more power consumption, because for the same amount of material removed the cutter has to make many more cuts. And breaking up molecular bonds between the fibers of the wood is alot harder than throwing the resulting chips off to the side. Also small chips don't clear as efficiently.

@saftbrain 3 года назад

I don't have a CNC so I am not entering for the giveaway but I am thoroughly impressed by all the work that went into this video and I also appreciate all your other videos, Marius! So I am leaving a comment because I feel a thumbs up is just not enough!

@romaniguitar 3 года назад

Thanks so much for the data, Marius, I really appreciate the effort.

@rasmuskurten8455 3 года назад

Thank you Marius for a very interesting and comprehensive video! Your time is precious, but oh boy do we appreciate it!

@peirob 3 года назад

You convinced me, I'll seriously consider to get a few of them :-)

@johnagorman 3 года назад

Thank you so much. I recently bought a cnc router and similar coated Amana bit. I wonder how they compare. Plus, I just got one. A variety would be fantastic. One of the markets I want to enter is accessibility, making things easier for folks that have disabilities. I'll start with things to assist both student and therapists in schools and homes. Then I'm also looking at the bike market. They are so very popular at the moment. I can several things to make. If successful, then i could upgrade to a beefier cnc router, lol. Thanks for the great info - cheers

@sdspivey 3 года назад

Good, now I have a chart for when I come sneak in to use your CNC while you're not home.

@k2OS 3 года назад

Wow.. that's a lot of work you put into this video.. I have been looking for a surfacing cutting bit for a long time, and now it seems I have found one :D

@MichielvanderMeulen 3 года назад

For the spindle stiffness I would not look into the mounting, that looks perfectly fine, but in the bearing arrangement. In the 3D model AMB provides, you can see the bearings probably are a set of 6002 type ball bearings, held in place with a circlip on the outside. For the inside I guess the two bearings are compressed with the motor shaft, presumably from the far side. This bearing arrangement has it's limits in precision (play). Angular contact bearings would be great, and they are even available in the same size: search for B7002-C-T-P4S. The trick with angular contact bearings is they come in sets, that pair to have a certain preload. There's a lot to find out if it could work in this situation, but I'm sure it would be a great improvement to the standard 6 euro bearings. Let me know, would be interesting to help. There's another way to improve bearing play and stiffness: shimming. I would suggest to shim in between the inner rings of the two 6002 bearings. Probably a few hundredths of a millimeter is needed. There are shim rings available, or you could cut them from thin sheet metal foil.

@vedranlatin1386 3 года назад

You made something really useful for many people, kudos to you As for 6mm vs 8mm I found the same thing when milling metal on my small-ish mill. For deep cuts, you should use the smallest endmill you can get away with in regard to deflection. My mill will do steel with 4mm and 6mm, 8mm is seriously pushing it and 10mm is completely unusable. I optimistically bought 50mm facemill hoping to use it on aluminum but no joy... it chatters like crazy even in plastic.

@DatumCAD 2 года назад

I don’t know if it may have already been suggested, but adding some ‘Splicer’ filters to some of the more commonly filtered fields on your excel spreadsheet would make it far faster to select the best configuration. Also, thanks for your efforts and quality content, really enjoy your videos.

@homezero 3 года назад

As always you have come through with GREAT content that is useful and entertaining. I want to thank you for the speeds and feed spreadsheet. This will be used a lot. I do not have a need to purchase bits at the moment but I am sure it won't be long. I particularly will be looking at the planer or flattening bit. I like this one a lot. Currently I have a Genmitsu 3018 CNC and use it for wooden artwork. I hope to be getting a larger CNC next year some time for creating larger work as well as a set of hold downs, cam clamps, Spoil boards with dog holes and such. I am sure I'll come up with more projects as well. I hope to start a RU-vid channel as well. You are inspiring with what you do. Keep up the great work. I'd love to try one of those bits out if possible. Thank you very much.

@garylarson6386 3 года назад

great video , first time people without experience dont realise the heat has to be in the chip at least with flood coolent you have a chance with light feed rates because of poor spindle HP, there are to many very light duty machines on EBAY that should only be 3D printers, spindle HP and rigiditly are EVERYTHING

@JerkerMontelius 3 года назад

It should be possible to construct a chatter detection sensor by measuring the vibrations in the cutting head by some kind of heavy duty microphone. This would have the additional bonus to to be able to detect if the router bit has broken.

@michaeljameson1046 3 года назад

Very comprehensive video I have my first CNC on order an axiom AR8 gunner need bits cheers thanks for your efforts.

@jeffwimer3969 3 года назад

Very well done. You are very close to a tutorial on how to set your own cutting parameters. Could you please do a video to help us all do our own testing? I have yet to see a tutorial on how to set parameters. Always appreciate your videos!

@marcoschwanenberger3127 3 года назад

Excellent video. Looking at the scroll bar of the unfiltered spreadsheet that was probably way more work than what you give yourself credit for haha! I'm sure alot of people will appreciate the cutting data, making their lifes a little bit easier, thanks to you!

@DrumNDive93 3 года назад

#Fraiser I have a slab/cookie that has been drying for quite a while. While I have been working on it with a hand plane to surface the top, it is incredibly hard to get that end-grain cut well. It is also Oak, so my plane has been needing a good resharpening every few minutes. If I had some sort of good surfacing bit, I would be able to make short work of the surfacing and move on to adding legs and finishing this huge table. And for making sure it is level, I plan on using your method of a router sled for surfacing large slabs. If I dont get picked, I will probably still end up getting these Fraiser bits since you were able to give such a detailed table for best results lol. Keep up the great work, Marius! Much Love and Merry Christmas!

@fuzzyep7103 3 года назад

Thanks for the video and chart this will get me started on my CNC, just finished building it, and help me adjust where needed. Currently improving a Gerbil wheel for my daughter her Gerbils as they demolished the original one :-)

@daily8150 3 года назад

The blue screen of death gave me a good laugh.

@greggarriss2062 3 года назад

Mahalo Marius for your hard work.. I used diamond coated cutters at Boeing but am excited to see them available for home use. Though now I consider 3mm a big cutter. I will see if Fraiser offers them here in the US.

@jeffklein602 3 года назад

I like their ability to plunge cleanly. The quality of cut is excellent, and maybe a bit above the bits and bits I am using now.

@claeswikberg8958 3 года назад

Great work on the excel sheet, as for the Bluescreen, "windebug preview" will tell you why, down load it from microsoft store, and load the minidump/debug file, and it should give you a good clue as to what caused the BSOD

@jims11762 3 года назад

I wish you could do a test on coated and non coated bits, to see if they really last 3 times longer? Maybe take some macro shots of the bits before and after. Anyway thank you again for another great video. Really enjoyed that. Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

@pinx3d 3 года назад

Marius, you certainly have a lot of time on your hands to to do a great test report

@flow0003 3 года назад

Endlich noch jemand der den C++ Editor fürs NC Code lesen nutzt 👍🏻

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

Mit Farbe ist das einfach VIEL übersichtlicher

@flow0003 3 года назад

Ich hab mir extra eine eigene Sprache erstellt die genau das markiert was ich haben möchte

@Blue_4-2 3 года назад

Merry Christmas! Thanks for all the videos in 2020! ⭐️😊👍

@etiennedewachter4541 3 года назад

I understand the testing you made, recording max speed without chatter. From steel machining, there is a called "economic" speed that is being used, meaning that overall life of tool insert is bigger with that speed, reducing overall cost. So called economic speed is lower than max speed you are mentioning.

@davidabineri908 3 года назад

Thanks for all this very good data. I can definitely use these in my cnc.

@rodpotts2666 3 года назад

Very new to the CNC game ,very expensive ,don't have very many bits. Would come in very useful. Thanks great demonstration.

@SavvasPapasavva 3 года назад

Very interesting video. Do you happen to know the acceleration rate of your machine? That can effect the cutting speed if the distance being cut is short and you can't get to cutting speed.

@dzee9481 3 года назад

Marius very well done video for your machine, I am curious if you do the same type of experiment where you ONLY do conventional cutting or climb cutting. I have noticed that where the bit is cutting in the same direction of the rotation of the spindle makes the edge more jagged if your feed is fast, smooth if your feed is rather slow. Chatter, one would expect at climb cut where the cut is going against the direction of the spindle.

@haroldchoate7497 3 года назад

Why do I feel unworthy of the tools you demonstrate? Great job, thank you. Merry Christmas,

@BobBurrow 3 года назад

#Fraiser I don't have a CNC cutter, however my router accepts the 8 mm shaft. One of the bits would be great for cutting deep slots. (The video really summarizes how much work went into producing the spreadsheet. Maybe you can do a part 2 with a harder wood. You might even hit the maximum power of the spindle with the cutting bits.)

@Kim-nn4fi 3 года назад

I would love to use these on my CNC.I will use the bits to make a new beter and bigger CNC macine.

@vesaruusunen5685 3 года назад

Thank you. Makes me to want CNC also. That would also need an another man cave :) Have a great Christmas.

@hansangb 3 года назад

Well done! I know how tedious it can be to collect and collate data!

@laubbub1960 3 года назад

Hi Marius, cool video. It looks like a whole lot of work. But I think the sheet with all this cutting data is worth it. And I'm so thankfully that you share it with us. But how long did it take you to do this test series? And how much material was machined? #Fraiser I built a CNC not to long ago. I'm still improving it and try to find good router bits. And of course these bits are great for plunge router applications. Next Project will be a cabinet with a lot of drawers to organize all of my screws and nails and other parts. Because now they are all in a shelf right now and it's a just a mess. So there will be a lot of grooves and rabbets to be cut for the drawers.

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

The testing was done over several weeks. Material consumtion...maybe half a sheet of plywood

@lint2023 3 года назад

Awesome data pack. Awesome bits.

@jasonshrieves4467 3 года назад

Thanks so much for making this video! Great information and something I've always wanted to do with my bits but never had the time. That roughing bit is epic.... I soooo want one! Is it available in 6mm???

@eformance 3 года назад

The subtitle for this video: the most expensive way to make Birch paper :-)

@grumblycurmudgeon 3 года назад

Dude, have you ever SEEN the machines they use to cut the birch veneer BB Plywood is made out of? This is cheap at 500x the price!

@MattCaffell 4 месяца назад

isnt a cut rate normally measured in distance of the OD per minute. Larger Diameter cutter, the slower the spindle,

@grumblycurmudgeon 3 года назад

#Fraser, I'm building a 2-plane inverted jointer that allows for both the flattening of and setting angle of intersection for slabs on two axis simultaneously. Marius, I could kiss you! I've been waiting for someone to do a review of those Boss Beaver Bits in English (RU-vid's subtitles being what they are: "In corking, these bots tour [applause]"); as magical as they sounded, I wanted to really be able to comprehend what I was hearing. The fact that it comes from a maker I admire and whose skills I trust, well, frankly more than my OWN, even, was all I needed to hear. I'm placing an order as soon as I'm done writing this. *HEY FRASER! HEAR THAT? Good call on sponsoring this video. It's been up for 7 hours and it's already bagged you a couple sales!*

@DMonZ1988 3 года назад

#Fraiser is a really cool company. i bought my first bits a few weeks ago and they're suuuuuuper lovely. they shipped insanely quickly and i even got stickers, a pencil and some haribo. bit expensive, but if they have the bit i need they'll be my go-to company. highly recommended. i don't have one of these roughing bits yet but i learned some things here that make it clear how interesting and useful it would be for my next project: a small wiki house. really great video Marius, thank you!

@KunsthandwerkBenner 3 года назад

Hallo Marius, sehr aufwändiges Video und sehr detailliert. Übrigens, ich verwende deine Anleitung zum Bau der Schärfvorrichtung für Drechseleisen und verlinke selbstverständlich auf deinen Kanal ;) Gruß Stefan Benner

@chemcody5119 3 года назад

Merry Christmas to you and your family Marius!

@daviddickmeyer5231 3 года назад

Thanks for all of your extensive testing of these # Fraiser bits. I will be looking to use them on my new Onefinity CNC machine when it arrives. I sure enjoy your videos. I’ll bet your next one shows you beefing up the router mount on your Hammer! 😆

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

Kind of, yes

@JeffYantha 3 года назад

Another great video Marius! Those #Fraiser bits look great, I would love to get some for a work clamping system I've been working on, which was inspired by your CNC clamping solution.

@joppepeelen Год назад

450meter a minute ? should be mm or cm. i probably say something everyone already mentioned though. but great videos and great projects !! superb work !

@davidalan6701 3 года назад

I’d use the bits to carve wood/resin jewelry

@CNCSwede 3 года назад

I would need these bits for a future guitar neck project on my youtube channel 😊

@iPhonisti 3 года назад

#Fraser I would use the bit in my upcoming kitchen renovation. Also been looking for good surfacing bit for some oak slabs. Thank You Marius for great video and shearing all that info work!!

@nefariousyawn 3 года назад

#Frasier I used to tell my dad that he needs better bits for his CNC, but this video has convinced me that I need to just buy some for him. He mills Corian scrap to make things like switch and outlet covers, drawer pulls, etc. His cheap straight bits chatter like hell, and there is basically no chip ejection.

@johnniewalker39 3 года назад

Roses are red, My screen is blue, I sit here thinking: What the hell did i do?

@Tom-xl2ni Год назад

Amazing information. Do you have your GCodes hosted anywhere like Github? I am trying to learn EdingCNC.

@erikcramer 3 года назад

Cool i was happy with the flattening bit, maby ill get something to make a bowl out of the Mahogani i bought before all the shops closed over here. :D So i would be able to cut this at 395 m/min conventional or should i slow down for this type of wood :P

@Itslvle 3 года назад

If it wasn't clear to people watching your videos already, engineering is clearly your calling. :D I'm definitely saving this for later if I end up getting a CNC-router. The narrow spindle attachment to the Z-axis is quite puzzling. It's such an obviously flimsy solution that I can't imagine the engineers designing this could have missed that. It feels like it has to either be a non-issue because the first issue you pointed out ends up causing chatter much earlier anyway before the mounting becomes a problem. Either that or they deliberately designed a chatter inducing element to create a larger difference to their higher end models. I sure hope it isn't the latter. Do you have any plans on trying to stiffen up the spindle+mount or is it "good enough for now at least" as it really only costs routing time?

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

yes, I'll use a spacer piece and another bolt to close that gap

@FritsvanDoorn 3 года назад

Very interesting subject. Well explained. I leave the give away for others. Thank you.

@lacerta1984 3 года назад

They called crisps in the UK!

@mojitomaker 3 года назад

Fraiser - I want to use them on my Lowrider to make single sheet furniture for schools.

@mattheld4219 3 года назад

this is way too complicated for me, but I appreciate the thought and time you put into it.

@aztecnology 3 года назад

I have a lot of CNC projects that could use some Frasier love!

@TheE9climber 3 года назад

#Fraiser I would definitely make some mortises and tenons for a nice chair with my #MariusHornberger samurai router jig. Also looking forward to having my own CNC hopefully soon and utilizing your spreadsheet!

@Mcphilsmith 3 года назад

#Fraiser interesting to see the chips. I’ve historically only gotten dust, so I must have my feeds and speeds wrong. Or just bad tooling. I’d like to make some of my projects again with better tools to see if I could be more aggressive.

@tommeaney7284 3 года назад

#fraiser wow you can really push those bits, just moved onto downcut/compression bit on my cnc these would make making the childrens signs and toys finish so much better. Great video, thankyou mate.

@craftandconstruction3359 3 года назад

Time to build an enclosure for your CNC =D

@MultiKlompen 3 года назад

7:22 That means, you cut 0,2mm wide and 35mm deap?

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

0,4mm stepover was also possible (that's in the spreadsheet)

@lostinalps7955 3 года назад

As usual, great video with a lot information. Thanks for that. #Fraiser. Some bits to make templates on the CNC for my next project: a bench ;). Have a good Xmas.

@zbynekchmela7778 3 года назад

#Fraiser I’d use it with Samurai style jig for cutting mortices. Next project is to finally built some nice stiff workbench. Thanks for the video. I feel fed with feedrate information.

@basti_makes592 3 года назад

#Fraiser Project: CNCed plywood furniture. The 35mm flattening bit is amazing, I tend to push it a bit harder at 15krpm, 9m/min feedrate, 2mm depth of cut and 32mm width of cut, and it still performs amazing. Their uncoated inserts for it also leave a pretty nice surface in aluminium ;)

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

Wow, very agressive settings. How much power does you spindle have? 2.2kW?

@basti_makes592 3 года назад

@@MariusHornberger 3,3kW, one of the bigger teknomotor spindles. I guess the real tool limit is the 8mm shaft, with a higher depth of cut I get chatter at least in plywood. I should have bought the tool with the 12mm shaft in hindsight.

@TomLeclerc 3 года назад

#Fraiser I would use it for maiking drawers using a jig on my router. Great video Marius as always, thanks for the efforts you put into that data.

@grantnlee 3 года назад

#Fraiser Great details. I need more science (not guessing) behind determining my speeds and feeds! I'd love one of these bits for the cutting boards I am making. Love your work - thanks for sharing!

@chrishicks1763 3 года назад

I noticed that all of the cuts were done on plywood. I know plywood is challenging in its own right. However my question is, How do those bits do in hard wood. Harder of the hard woods like purple heart or jatoba. I ask because these are ones that I use. they will wear out a regular bit fast, even good carbides to last as long in these. What are your thoughts? Love your channel by the way.

@MariusHornberger 3 года назад

I wouldn't use the max. possible settings from plywood for these hardwoods. I'd try about 75% stepover (compared to max. possible in plywood) and chip load not below 0,05mm

@robgordon6494 3 года назад

#Fraiser I would love to try these bits out on my new Onefinity CNC! Learning to do 3D carves and those bits look very impressive! Very thorough video, thanks for taking the time!!