Testing Football Manager Conspiracy Theories 

But when you have a field full of flying steamrollers then I could see physically weaker players getting a bit overwhelmed 😅

I mean, they have 20 acceleration, 20 pace, 20 agility, 20 balance, 20 strength and 20 jumping reach. They are faster than anyone else, stronger than anyone else and jump higher than anyone. 1 stamina doesn't make statues. They still have the agility of prime Messi, the strength of Akinfenwa, jump higher than anyone else, and even at 1 stamina they will be fast. When 1 player gets the ball, the only way the opposing team can only take it way is by clattering him, and that's if they can catch up. And that gets the freaks a set piece, and they'll win every single duel. I'm not surprised they found a way to get 8/9 wins. When you add 20 dribbling and the complementary attributes it makes sense they won the league.

It is a bit riduclous, but the match engine probably doesn't have the flexibility to actually have the teams effectively counter such an extreme team -- real managers and real players would absolutely be able to exploit the gaps in such a team tactically -- and so even if they lose the occasional points to set pieces and such, they'd walk over such a team most of the time.

@@pedroalexandrecorreiafigue2199 grab 11 of the most insane Olympians vs a team of championship footballers that can actually kick a ball the Olympians are getting destroyed it doesn’t matter that they can put run and out strength then

That is some bs and you know it. Take 11 top athletes that compete at the olympics and I'll bet my life they won't get a single point let alone score a goal in a whole premier league season.​@@pedroalexandrecorreiafigue2199

I think someone actually did a test a couple of years back with a team full of copies of Adama Traore

@@Draddar Yup 5 Traore dominated the EPL it was on Si forum and then they buried the thread and started warning people

Exactly, I hate it when people prove META attributes, but others stifle it as a conspiracy because it doesn't fit their narrative.

adama traore has 20 pace but doesn't have 20 strength agility or whatever other attribute. he's always the go to for this topic as if its a proper counter argument but a simple breakdown shows that it really isn't a point at all

Yeah as soon as Zealand said players with 20 acceleration, pace and strength didn’t exist, my mind instantly went to Adama. This should just be known from now as the Adama Traore test with amazing physical stats and dreadful technical stats.

its like saying a team with 3 toni krosses in the midfield is worst than shefield united, let that sink in, SHEFIELD UNITED, its like saying a team with benzemas as their striker options wouldnt score more than 20 gols, BENZEMAS not william osulas LMAO

Funnily enough, Zealand wants to claim that all is well, but he essentially proved what the bloke on Reddit wrote. IMHO the biggest problem with all of this isn't that *specific attributes* are meta or not, but the utter and complete disconnect of this concept with reality. Consider a defence that has 1 tackling, 1 marking, 1 positioning. A midfield that has 1 passing, 1 vision, 1 decisions. Wingers that have 1 off the ball, 1 crossing, 1 work rate. Strikers that have 1 finishing, 1 heading, 1 technique. And this team *wins* because they're all great athletes and have great dribbling. This is utterly ridiculous as a concept. IRL sports, all team sports really, work completely differently. Most players have a decent baseline level in *all* skills and are *great* in some specific areas. This is a completely reverse concept. A player can be great at a very specific skill and unrealistically dogs**t at everything else and still win. This is what bothers me.

@@abrkPL I didn't watch the stream, so I don't know if this was part of it or not, but you'd have to watch a match or two to see what the match engine is even calculating. It might just be one player pushing his way through everyone. If they were zipping the ball around Sarriball at it's best with those attributes, it'd be ridiculous.

​@@YevOnegin yes...and I did those tests. You can not see which team has 1 or 20 values for attributes. The gameplay looks total equal...stopped playing.

i mean freak moments have happened you cant really go by that alone. also this aint just being "great" at a very specific skill this is being a god physically like literally walking god physicality wise of course you would dominate players. Adama Traore has absolute fuck all technical ability and yet has played in premiership and for Barcelona... he is the closest example and even he didnt have 20's in all of these. also when they won they didnt have 1 in work rate

Physicaly is king in every FM

I still play fm 2012 and I can tell you it's been like this for years.

always has been and is literally the case IRL. its no secret that physical ability has overtook football for 99% of players and it takes a pretty much "freak" of technical ability to be the exception. best defenders currently in world are all physical freaks who are tall,strong and fast. Maguire is literally ridiculed for his slowness IRL again showing how much pace is seen even IRL as an important ability.

@@MrShadowRaiden Exactly , the best defenders are all fast. Think about Van Dijk & Rudiger etc

Physical is king in real life too. Is just that you need technical atributes in real life too, besides physical. Also the last test failed because Zealand change Natural Fitness to 1, that was a big mistake. Natural Fitness is related to fatigue mechanics that results in lower performance in games. In fact Work Rate, Stamina and Natural Fitness are on that category and that's why the test have them at 13 instead of 1.

Its even worse if you look at the other test they did. 20s on everything except the meta ones which all had 10s, the team of football gods got relegated being last in the league just cause they were a bit slower and didn't jump as high

Yes a team of such gods would likely be very succesful. There's several things to remember here: - They can always press high and always punt it long from GKs, meaning their technical deficit does not really matter as much. - When pressing high, they will catch up with the opponents playing through their press - The game assumes tactical knowledge for all players - 1 is the baseline in this game, but does not mean they cannot kick a ball to save their lives. They are just very bad compared to Pro players. But there's some CBs in first leagues that have

@@HappySisyphus0nah. That makes sense. The prem is the most athletic league in the world. Twinks would get literally crushed playing against world class athletes. Doesn’t matter how fancy your footwork is. Hence why older players who still have insane technical abilities cannot play at the top levels. Their bodies can’t physically handle it.

This isn't broken as these players don't exist irl and you'd never run into this situation in game. If a player has +5 physical stats compared to your league average they're never signing for you and if you're in the prem you'll never find anyone with 19s or 20s on all physical stats. And if you did, generally the game will also have their other stats be pretty high and so you'd expect them to be insane anyways

​@@gameplaytv1374you like the game but accept the reality, TECHINCALS DON'T MATTER IN THE GAME. it doesn't matter if you cant pass, shoot, defend, attack, etc, if you have physicals you can destroy the best league in the world, WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE

Yea meaning it's more than 9 attributes. So bit misleading.

@@GaganSingh-nx2yv It's very misleading

I don't disagree but I can see why the OP made that choice. If you want to test the 9, it's important that the players actually play. What I meant by this is let's say you have 25 players registered but all of them are completely gassed after the first few weeks, how valid of a test are you doing? Especially too if we consider injuries mean the injured player is out for longer. I'm not sure how I feel about the choice.

Exactly, if players r tired then they’d play below what they can physically so it’d kinda be against the purpose of the experiment

But that’s the whole point. He went viral on Reddit for implying that he ran a test that he didn’t actually run.

I think that could be a reflection of just how good the standards are in the Prem now that the physical requirements are quite high relative to other leagues

Talking about it as a CA thing is true yeah, but I mean in a realistic sense, if you compare a player who has amazing dribbling, finishing, and passing, etc. but was physically unable to compete with actual world class athletes to say a skills youtuber or fancy street player, then it makes sense. Those are people who obviously are better at soccer than the average person and some of them even win technical skills challenges against actual world class soccer players, but in a real game a team full of those guys would be unable to score consistently against a team filled with prem athletes as they would just get physically dominated and be at a massive disadvantage physically in terms of just running around the field or trying to defend or attempting to get to balls.

because a team like that would never be able to get out of their half. No threat of through balls/balls over the top means every team can press them easily, which means their great technique will still have issues as all will be played in their half. When they do play out of the press, they will have to run form the half-way line towards the opposing goal with 1 pace... It makes total sense

It’s not surprising, 10 in physical stats would make them the worst team physically in the league by far. Football is a full contact, physical game.

Literally not weird at all. Makes total sense.

Well, I guess since his last visit to FM headquarters Z never said a bad word about anything in the game, so I assume they have him now on the payroll so he wouldn't badmouth the game, as your statement was so obvious and I expected him to say that. Let's leave all of the four attributes on 13, and make meta ones 1 you wouldn't get a point, so yeah, the rest of the attributes are pointless. They need to overhaul their engine badly, this game became like Pro Evolution Soccer or FIFA on beginner difficulty.

@@ahmedhamzic9065 yeah, they defintely keep zealand on the roll even though he constantly complains about every game mechanic that doesnt work in every one of his streams. They defnitely see all that negative press as a good investment. Be for real.

I think there's some confusion what 1 means in the scale. Every single player on fm has at least a degree of technical ability to play football, as they're in a football game. 1 doesn't mean has never kicked a ball before, it's relative to the fact they are a footballer. Presumably 1 is the kind of thing you'd expect from the worst league in the game, which is still a semi professional football league, not someone with no ability at all.

i doubt they have z on payroll, but some bias is defo in play here@@ahmedhamzic9065

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You had 20 dribbling ;)

To be fair only if you have the speed of an olympic winning 100m sprinter with the stamina of a olympic marathon winner, with the jumping of an olympic long jump winner and strength as good as any footballer ever its not unlikely that physical beings that dont even exist would make a great football team mainly as it would be hard to score against them, they'd be buzzing around the pitch like Kante x 10. Theres also a limit on how bad you can be technically at football, you can still kick a ball a bit and if you can do that and have the speed and stamina twice as good as your opponents then you will totally dominate them with running in behind and catching and pressing them. Hakimi Varane Van De Ven Robertson Makelele Rice Kante Nunez Vardy Gordon Imagine like that team just at their peak physicality and pace or stamina but dictounting their footballing ability and how hard it would be to score goals against them and then think these players wouldn't be near the physical monsters of those with 20 pace, stamina, acceleration, strength, natural fitness. Physical attributes do matter more than technical when you think about it, if Cristiano Ronaldo had no pace he'd probably be like Arnautovic or if Messi had no pace he'd be like Iniesta or Payet or something. They wouldn't be close to the players they are if they were just stiff and slow. Where as if Cristiano Ronaldo was a bad finisher he'd still score 80% of the goals he scored as he scored many goals as his movement and physical attributes got him into the box and many chances. Same with Messi if Messi's passing was poor he'd still get 100s of assists in his career just through his dribbling getting him into positions to set goals up all the time.

@@celticbarry9877 "Imagine like that team just at their peak physicality and pace or stamina but dictounting their footballing ability and how hard it would be to score goals against them and then think these players wouldn't be near the physical monsters of those with 20 pace, stamina, acceleration, strength, natural fitness." I guess pretty easy, since they will probadly made up there bad positioning but couldnt control the ball so that the skilled players get them and then they get a free kick because no technic just physical fight for the ball. Totti, Schweinsteiger and co there are many great player who aint physical freaks, also most prem team have good athletic abilities (i would say around 15), and all 20 doesn meant that you run a marathon in the speed of usain bolt for 100m.

@@celticbarry9877 the issue is not having a team full of physical monster being this good, it is doing this good compared to a team full of mental geniuses and technical Ronaldinho. "he scored many goals as his movement and physical attributes got him into the box and many chances." So you say having 1 placement, 1 flair, 1 concentration, 1 aggressivity doesnt matter to be in the box. Dumb take. You do not see mental when they play good, but then a defender has a half second deconcentration and everybody falling on him for this "goal leading error"

Agree. Like 1 finishing, 1 long shot, 1 teqnique and 1 first touch. How do you EVER score?

It’s not though? These stats can’t be done in the game. So why does it matter ? Completely irrelevant. So if you try to scout the player that doesn’t exist what then?

Why is this a problem? FM isn't played in theses extremes it holds no value to the player experience of the game itself.

@@ozgecko4050 Because it implies that these attributes are the only ones that need adjusting to actually rate the player? It's pretty simple. The average on these attributes will determine how good your player is. Unless further testing proves that say the adding of additional attributes actually matters. The dribbling example was pretty rough.

@@ozgecko4050 Thankfully tests with realistic players have been done and show the exact same trends so we can ignore this theory of yours.

How many 180-190 CA players like that have you seen in game? It clearly brakes FM system, the game isn't supposed to be ran in such extreme because they don't even exist IRL so SI doesn't need to make the ME and the system "understand" how good/bad this players are.

@@lourencoteles8414 That's total cop out.

@@DM-rc4yu Saying someone is coping out without explanation is a total cop out.

@@lourencoteles8414 FM is supposed to be a simulation game. In simulation games, you do, guess what, SIMULATIONS. A great simulation should be where every variable matters. This game makes us think they matter, when in fact they don't. Even then, you're ignoring the point of the comment. It's not that they're 180-190 CA, its that they have those abilities in skills that the match engine deems "not important", while in REAL LIFE they do matter. My Newcastle team in their 5th season has 5 / 6 180-190 CA players and they're dominating the league. So what's your point about it being unrealistic? You're telling us we can't make a dream team of 180+ CA players because it will break the game? Is that how a simulation game is supposed to be? You tell me, going by your logic. Is having a team full of super athletes that can't even pass or shoot properly be in the top 4 a realistic thing then? (the 1st part of the test) Going by your logic, this kind of thing doesn't exist IRL. Yet that is the result of the tests. Check your logic, mate.

​ @yoyomama99 Having 5/6 180-190 CA players and dominating is clearly a skill issue. It has nothing to do with the quality of the ME. A team full of 135-145 CA can win you every major league and major trophies. This aren't super athletes, this are super humans, the game wasn't made to account for them. It's pretty easy to understand why.

Which is actually pretty realistic

​@@MarthaGiu physicality is hugely important to defend IRL for sure, there are plenty of exemples of CB, LB/RB and DM who compensate their weaknesses with their insane physicals and still play at a very high level. It still is really disappointing that a team full of players with 1 in tackling, marking, heading, bravery, composure, decision, positioning and teamwork doesn't concede more goals in the hardest league in world football, they should be constantly making mistakes. Just the technical mistakes after recovering the ball should cost a lot of goals with 1 first touch, pass, composure, decision, vision. Also 1 tackling should results in plenty of yellow/red cards, I wish Z had shown the cards stats in the vid'.

And anticipation. Ngolo Kante, but with anabolics.

what people don't realize is TECHNICALS ARE COMPLETELY USELESS, not that they are less important, they just have no use. the match engine is broken

The duality of football: defending =close the space, attacking= open/ create the space. Having tall, strong and speedy men to cover/sit on the spaces is definitely logical.

Because they all have the same attributes rotation and position changed would happen more often meaning a larger variety of players and positions played

@@charliedickson3480 No because their positions wont have changed, the AI wont play a striker in defence or vice versa even if they had the same attributes, they will play them in the positions they naturally play which wasnt changed.

@@tajj7 yes, but the whole squad is the same, so Eg Salah will get the same minutes as Ben Doak and so on, so not one starter

@@tajj7 case and point

@@charliedickson3480 Nope cos reputation as well.

Yes a team of such gods would likely be very succesful. There's several things to remember here: - They can always press high and always punt it long from GKs, meaning their technical deficit does not really matter as much. - When pressing high, they will catch up with the opponents playing through their press - The game assumes tactical knowledge for all players - 1 is the baseline in this game, but does not mean they cannot kick a ball to save their lives. They are just very bad compared to Pro players. But there's some CBs in first leagues that have

If you aren't a freak athlete, those stats matter more. But yes, since the technicals need physicals to be useful, phyicals matter more. Considering how much the game has evolved physically, I think it's realistic. Maybe slightly overdone, but realistically in the right direction

Honestly, there is a serious argument to be made (and a very very hot take) that finishing is literally irrelevant as an attribute. Not in FM, but in the real life game.

@@The_Guy_You_Love_To_Hate I would somewhat agree in FM, but not in real life. Because to me its very clear who has got very good finishing abilities, those that are mediocre, and those that are just bad.

​@@langletprolet8378 I was under the same impression too. Frankly, I still can't get my head around it. But the premise is as follows: We have xGoals, which take every parameter under consideration, except the player himself. So it measures what an average player would do at a shot. Now if finishing is a thing, that would imply that elite finishers such as CR, Lewandowski, Benzema and others, must be way above that average, meaning that they should overperform their xGs, because if not them, then who. Turns out, with the exception of Messi, every other elite striker (in a span of many seasons, not just one) scores what their xG say an average footballer would. Most of them were at best 1-2 goals/season more than the expected and at worse 1-2 goals/season below that. And the takeaway was that in the end, a striker's ability to score goals is dictated not by their accuracy, but with their ability to create good chances for themselves, utilising their speed, their dribbling, their positioning, basically everything they do before they take the shot. Because when they do shoot, in the long run their conversion rate is the same as eeryone else's, the difference being that the average striker is unable to make the shots that they do and score the goals that they do.

It’s like Zealand said in the video, it’s complicated. Agreed about technique. It actually explains a lot of things that have frustrated me in my FM experience. Guys on 17+ finishing blowing half their xG for consecutive season, or

@@Fortunaatp You’re right it is complicated but in my humble opinion a full team of players with 0 passing should not EVER be winning PL or anything for that matter

Nah this is a really bad analyse of the situation. The 3 stats that mean the players don't get exhausted after 5 minutes and actually put in a half hearted attempt to win the game . Shouldnt be the only thing stopping a team with that many 1s from winning is stupid . If all but 10 stats can be put to 1 and the premier league is a walk over ..

Dude is completely biased, he cant accept whats in front of his eyes no matter what, even when his own test proved its 100% true.

It is dishonest though. You can't spend the entirety of the introduction separatingthe attributes in two groups, saying how you will highlight the importance of nine specific attributes and say that these alone are the game breaking ones and when it comes to explaining the experiment you create a third "group" of attributes and the only "screen time" (or, well, text... space?) they get is literally one word. Context is really important and our minds can be easily decieved to omit the the word "almost", just like people omit the second "the" in the classic reading experiment that's been circulating the internet for ages (and happens in my comment too). And this misunderstanding is not one that produces similar results, but wildly different ones that don't even help the original assesment.

please stay away from science, you clearly don't understand what a controlled test is

​@The_Guy_You_Love_To_Hate if he didn't increase those other attributes then the test is defunct. Those attributes literally allow the players to PLAY games, having 1 natural fitness means that every play will either be injured or will need rest for 3 weeks after1 games

@@EEVNS-er6ys ...thus disproving from the get-go the whole point of the experiment, clearly written in the post's title with caps that "ONLY 9 ATTRIBUTES MATTER".

its understandable to be in denial when you find out the game you have spent countless of hours that is supposed to be complex just boils down to 13 numbers

I completely agree

If he showed the truth it would negatively impact him as a content creator.

And even worse, he is like "wow you can't win the PL with only 9 stats set to 20!" Also him: "See ? Now that I added 4 stats to 13, i'm winning the PL !" Then remove dribbling and... oh, almost relegated Me: So you are saying that only 5 stats really matter, instead of the 9 announced ? But also saying that the match engine is perfectly working ? 🤣 The funniest thing is people saying "there is no player like this in game" But if you reduced those 20 stats to like 15 to 17 and keep other 4 stats to 13, well you kinda get a perfectly realistic newgen, and he'll be almost as good as in the test..

They have played football before. A rating of 1 indicates a very basic ability to perform the task within the context of football. Saying 1 has no value would mean that a player with 1 pace or 1 acceleration would be incapable of movement. They'd be VERY slow but they would be able to run.

This team doesn't exist! The ME isn't catered to "understand" players like this because there are no players like this.

Would be interesting to see what the 9 attributes players would do in the championship rather than premier league

@@lourencoteles8414 Multiple tests with closer to reality or entirely realistic players have been run that disprove this theory of yours. Trends are still the same.

@@lourencoteles8414 But there is players with every physical stats to 15+, especially if you play a lot of season and have newgens, and even more if you know how to train your own player, which the IA doesn't Which means that those "perfect" players doesn't exist, but some close to it does, and they'll still break the game, and they don't need to have an especially high PA tho

He's insanely biased towards FM and the staff that works on it. Either that or he genuinely thinks a team that can't pass a ball would not finish with 0 points in any of the major top flight leagues in the world.

​@@raphaelbarreto2486The game pays his bills. If he says it is trash what does he do until the next patch?

its really not that deep @@michaelh878

Riddle me this. How many players have you encountered that are similar to the ones in the test? FM isn't catered to "understand" such extremes, they don't exist IRL, so why would FM even test this type of situation if it will not happen in game?

@@lourencoteles8414 Except extremes do not matter as same tests with realistic players have been done and show the exact same trends. Stop burying your head in the sand.

Usain Bolt is just a sprinter. He does not have that stats. First you don't run just in a straight line in football, but even so let's give him 20 pace and 20 acceleration and that's it. The team they created will win every physical duel, It doesn't matter how good you're on the ball if you don't have physicals you just can't play. That's why people retire from the game, they still have all technical attributes is just that their physical attributes sucks... Physical attributes are king in real life football, but technical attributes also matters.

Doesn’t that just say more about the level of the league, how important certain attributes are and how well you managed to take advantage of those attributes though?

@@Thealan93 Perhaps. I'd be genuinely interested to see how many goals he would get in a Premier League team. From corners alone I'd guess 10+ and wouldnt be shocked to see him hit 20. The guy is a 2 1/2 star player in a League 2 side so I'd guess no more than 1 star in a Prem squad. His attributes are just perfectly aligned to do exactly one job at a world class level.

@@jackmcgarrityhe would prob score more than a striker with 17 finishing long shots dribbling technique’s even if we gave them 10 accel/pace

​​@@jackmcgarrityA lot. Had a striker average a goal every 41 minutes off his 19 jumping and he wasn't even the person I aimed for from set pieces as a defender with 18 jumping was better.

@@jackmcgarrity Olie Palmer scored 22 goals in the PL with Wrexham for me in FM22, mostly coming off the bench. A goal every 60 something minutes if I'm not mistaken.

If you have 10 outfield freaks of nature who are as fast as Bolt/Noah Lyles, as strong as an NFL LB, can change direction like Tyreek Hill, can go to full speed as quickly as the fastest sprinters in the world, and can dribble like Messi, that team would dominate any team just based on athleticism in real life.

Alright then, look at the other test, why a team with 20s on everything and 10s on the meta attributes got relegated? A player with 20 passing always giving the best pass to a player with 20 off the ball and 20 finishing should score in most cases, but they get relegated somehow@@nicholasmello9855

@@HappySisyphus0 Because they don't have the athleticism to get in said spots, just like it would in real life in the premier league.

@@nicholasmello9855 he redid the test with no dribbling and still got 70 points in the hardest league in the world. search FM ARENA PLAYER ATTRIBUTE TESTING on google and see the results. stop the coping, game is broken

This are extremes. You don't see this in game.

Literally disproves the original premise. He mentioned these stats as most important and the others as useless. If these stats impact the performance heavily, it literally makes these stats just as, if not more important.

There is a difference between having a minimum requirement and being important differentiators at higher levels. This showed technicals have no minimum requirement, those key ones have a min requirement and may or may not matter to increase beyond that and that physicals dominate over anything else.

If you look at FMArena's player attributes testing, they've done pretty much that

He knows it for sure, it's just not worth a video. lloujo did made a short about it though

The transfer glitch is such a non issue. It's a single player game. You can modify the game however you like. The stat thing is a whole engine fault so having a vid on it is more important.

​@@Topolinhoit's not a only single player game. I have not played the single player since fm21

@@matthijsvroonif you decided to use it on online games, that’s on you

@@matthijsvroon you’re trolling right? Multiplayer is so unstable and slow lol there’s no way in hell😂

That's why I basically ignore the in game potential ratings (I prefer not to look at CA/PA). My recent youth intake has a goalkeeper who has 5 star potential but his current attributes are terrible. I'm talking about 1s and 2s in key areas Having played the game for many years I know that even with the best coaches, the best facilities along with playing him in the first team he will never become a good player. His base attributes arent good enough to give him the chance to improve

yeah like a midfielder can have 140 CA but does not have passing or vision.

@@mattnottm8363 if i may ask, what are GKs key attributes? Like the most main ones

@@langletprolet8378 Reflexes, Agility, Aerial Reach, Jumping Reach

I agree with this. Going way back to FM2010 I had a LB who I was tempted to replace every season, as overall he had no stand-out attributes, yet routinely played well and ended up with over a n average 7.00 rating. It's weird how getting told by your coaches that he's your worst starting player, yet still does well on the pitch, can effect your thinking though, so you're always on the look out for someone who looks better attribute-wise. Years (in-game) later I had the same thing with another LB. I paid big money for him, my coaches think I should replace him yet he plays well, including getting PotM in the last Champions League final. He's better on paper than the earlier guy yet still has just a solid look about him, rather than looking a standout in his attributes.

Zealand is delusional as fk, FM is his life, he equates it so he cant accept dude done test right and results are completely correct lol.

@@michaelyo874I don’t think it was about the test being wrong, it was simply he misread the “almost” part, which meant he actually didn’t initially do the correct testing.

He did the test right, he just, intentionally or not, misrepresented what he did with what he posted

just say you don't understand english then xd, he said multiple times that the guy did the test right, but was misleading about it

I don't understand how you got to that conclusion, he said multiple times the test was right!

Yes, but he doesn't want to admit that the match engine has been exposed

@@raphaelbarreto2486 honestly even I was hoping that theory to be fake

What are your tips?

@@langletprolet8378 4 in the back at least 2 midfielders the rest doesent matter. Get player with Key atributs like a defener with 10 marking 10 tackling and half descent physics they are cheap and realiable. with this i got Avenir ( luxemburg) to win the champions leauge. Got Tura Medlorf in the Bundesliga with strait promotions vom Landes,Ober,regio,3 in to the 2 Divsion. Evry postion has a highlitet area this schould be minimum 10 or higher the rest is bonus. Thats how i do it.

Why was the original post deleted? Just pro censorship nazi reddit mods?

Plus Zealand already covered Squirrel Plays whose app weighs acc/pace #1 at every position because he based his research off of fm arean, genies scout evaluator and the chinese game developers. Kinda shows he has no idea what Squirrel Plays app was really about

I think its funny how people who critized the test ignore the part in which literal gods of football got relegated just cause they are a bit too slow or don't jump as high

Always have been 🌍👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

I think thats why everybody is freaking out especially the FM youtubers bc its kinda like saying its all a sham. Or shammier than we thought. We all spend too much time analyzing players with 1-3 pts different in finishing/tech/dribbling/etc and get huge boners when our wonderkids go from 12 passing to 15. While they do all still matter its just not as important

@@CimbomFanFiction the point of the testing is not that those attributes are not as important, is that they are USELESS. in this video, zealand tests the team with 1 in technical and mental and he got 70 points. he does the same but now with 20 in passing and 2 key passing mentals and the team suddenly got points??? what is the point? firstly, how can a team with 1 passing, 1 vision, 1 dribbling, 1 first touch get off a press in the premier league in the prem?

​@@CimbomFanFictionplease check FM ARENA PLAYER ATTRIBUTE TESTING on google and see that most of attributes doesn't matter at all

@@gabrielfrancisco5661 maybe it was just 1 player after another trying to run by themselves to the goal using those physicals but again, with drybling on 1 it seems stupid. I guess with finishing on 1 but 20 strength when they get lucky to shoot at the goal and not the GK, it's a goal. To some point it makes sense that physicals are more important because that's how it is in modern football but they went too far with it.

Football Manager didn’t exist in 2001

@@dylanrimbaud3193 yes it did, it was called championship manager though.

He did, he is biased towards the FM developers and doesn't want to admit the match engine was exposed. Either that or he genuinely believes a team that can't string to passes together would succed in any top flight league.

@@raphaelbarreto2486 It would be pretty bad for him and his channel if people knew the truth.

Why would you want the match engine to cater to this very specific and impossible situation? We've known for a while that physical stats are the most important. Wild that the engine bias is this crazy but it literally doesn't impact anything. If you're not in a top league you aren't going to be able to sign a team of players with every single meta stat 5 higher than the average of the league you're in. If you are in a top league then if you did find such a freak athlete, you'd assume they'd be insane anyways. Remember this whole situation is balanced because worse players typically develop stats that are related to their role first. So to find a player that has all of the meta stats developed highly would suggest the rest of their stats are also pretty high.

​@@bogus1896 search FM ARENA PLAYER ATTRIBUTE TESTING on google. you are going to see that technicals and mentals (except anticipation and concentration) don't change the performance, while physicals change a lot. IT'S NOT ABOUT A IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION, its about the game being broken and not working correctly.

They never change those and the match engine changes every patch so it's highly unlikely. For example jumping is (very) important for every role and position now but it is only highlighted in a few.

He did watch some of the games

him and his blind fanboys just think about the super athletes and forget about the rest and most important fact

I like how the edit left out the part where he first spent an hour saying how there is no way the test is accurate. Mocking the creator of the post about the "obvious mistake" they had done setting up the database and then pretends the post was massively misleading because he skipped reading past the title of it. All while name dropping the lead dev at SI being "his friend". Huge ego over being good at a very simple video game. @@gabrielfrancisco5661

It has been done, those physical attributes are the most important for every single position, no matter what.

Speed (pace and acceleration) specifically are the most important

search FM ARENA PLAYER ATTRIBUTE TESTING to see the results. spoiler: technicals don't matter

... oh. Playing FM20 with Milan, 2057. While I use the star ratings because i do not peek at CA/PA, i didnt expect what you said to make so much sense. While there will be outliners (my current DLP is 35yo, pace12sta10str10, and had ~7.48 avg ratings for 30+ matches total still), i unknowingly prefers to sign pacy 5* SCs. Need to get a pacy CB next season~! Thanks~!

Which is hilarious because Zealand already showcased Squirrel Plays app which is compeltely based off of fm arena, genie scout and the Chinese developers all saying speed is #1

I've been playing since CM 99/00, physical attributes were always more important than technical and mental attributes. This just means FM values them more.

I agree with you to an extent. This is why some players in youth football dominate, due to being unusual physical specimens for the age group - it's like they are 17-year-olds playing against 14-year-olds. As they move up to men's football the advantage is lessened and more often then not they don't make it - unless they have actual footballing ability.

@@johnniea4684 Yeh very good point, we have seen players pull absurd numbers in youth football because of a big physical advantage that can often lead to them not even making it professionally as they hit adult football. This I suppose would be similar, it would be like a putting a team of low level semi-pros men against an elite academy U15 team or similar. We also see U23 PL teams struggle in the paint trophy against L2 teams as well.

@@tajj7 Exactly.

There maybe just isn’t enough scaling for the low end technical attributes. A Sunday league quality player would not be able to use their skills - it would be like Bolt when he tried playing football they just couldn’t string any passes together.

Wrong assumption here. 20 doesn't necessarily mean the best of all world. 20 means among the best of all football players in the history. So, Usain Bolt has more than 20 pace. Michael Phelps has more than 20 stamina. Vince Carter has more than 20 jumping reach. Mike Tyson has more than 20 strength. FM attributes are varied in footballers' context. Do not compare apples and oranges together. Best metaphor here can be a team of pro runners (but not best like Usain Bolt) can beat half of the premiere league on daily basis. And if those pro runners have also jumping and dribbling skills, then they can win anything in football according to FM. And this is ridiculous.

It appears you? They say only 9 attributes matter which is clearly dishonest. They try to make the post more dramatic than they are. And they are all listed at 20. These aren’t normal circumstances so either way it’s irrelevant

@@ozgecko4050 it would be relevant if the goal was to make a template of the skills to prioritise when buying for certain positions or testing how important natural fitness is because I will never know lol

@@ozgecko4050 Talk about burying your head in the sand, LOL!

Interceptions are far more important than tackles. Also pressing faster means worse passing from opponents.

agree. but check FM ARENA PLAYER ATTRIBUTE TESTING on google. see that most of attributes don't matter for the match engine. pace and acceleration weights the most

It matters because the game still massively overrates physicals, so any player with high physicals will do better than they would irl.

But players with 15s in physicals exist and shouldn't totally dominate players with 10s in physical if they have terrible technicals.

what about when zealand redid the test putting 20 to passing and key passing attributes and there was no liverpool player in the assist leaderboard?

@@gabrielfrancisco5661 KDB can get tons of assists by servicing a physically dominant goal scorer (Haaland), but imagine if Haaland had 1 finishing and 1 heading. How can KDB get lots of assists if his great passes aren't converted to goals often enough?

@@ErolCanAkbaba well, then if we look at the team with 1 technicals and 1 mental who is scoring then? own goal? the players are scoring. they have 20 passing so they should get some assists, but they don't. actually, they get 70 points with 1 passing, 1 decisions and 1 composure. they get 50 points with 20 passing, 20 decision and 20 composition. what is the point of this change? i get that there is rng but at least it had get a little bit better right?

Adama has dogshit mental traits irl. These guys can anticipate like Maldini.

It has only 1 league loaded so it goes very fast.

Could be an interesting competition. What is the lowest CA team that can win the league consistently.

But also much worse than the u16s of a fourth tier Swedish team which no, I don't think would be much better than the average player playing with his mates in the park.