Testing LCBs (Lithium Ceramic Batteries) || The Future of Battery Technology? 

VoltLog imagine a lithium battery

@@sfsaviation those are all lithium batteries. They are just different types, like lithium-ion or lithium-polymer batteries.

I think with more research to improve the technology that this will end up being the next generation of batteries. They are much safer than the batteries we have today. Especially with the rise of electric vehicles, I think this technology has great potential if it had some more research for improvement.

I would cut a salt water battery in half and drink any that spills 😋

@@Kyle17206 Someone correct me if I'm wrong but commercial electric road vehicles use othe types of rechargeable batteries because Li ones are a fire hazard and safety concern. Sure Li anything ones are used in forklifts etc but just imagine having one of these in your car, even a slight crash can cause a really bad and big metal fire Edit: I was a idiot of course road vehicles use Li batteries.

Martin Bennett it still helps that they don't have fluids or semifluids that can explode everywhere.

This technology makes me fear for the bullet resistant lithium batteries in whatever terminators Elon Musk cooks up by 2050 lol

How did I not know about this? 🤤

@@the44thcosmic_galaxy25 Some people watch a lot, probably too many, documentaries, which was where i learned about it a couple years ago, and it was already a several year old doc.

Look up salt water batterys....you can drink the fluid out of it while its running a light.

Have fun

bruuuuhhh, lol

They go off hey? Sometimes take off 😂

Are you from samsung?

It's a feature.

At school: Highlight the important text 2 minutes later: Green paper

mwalsher IKR 🙃🙃🙁🙁👍😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

go watch some diodegonewild for even more salt!

3 smokiest electronic youtubers 1.diodegonewild 2.electroboom 3bigclive SPECIAL:greatscoot

Did GreatScott mentioned that he didn't like BigClive's video format? I know this has nothing to do with the comment but since you mentioned clive here in scott's comment section.

@@lowercase_ yeah. I know but sometimes he create a lot of smoke almost in all battres that he made. And also i include him becouse it looks dramatic.

lion and lipo batteries are commonly shipped completely discharged and sometimes advised to be stored in that state to preserve lifetime. Ive seen some demos of shorting them flat (no protection) and recharged with no noticeable problem. edit - correction: some old manufacturers advice to store Li-ons nominally flat (0% SOC), not actually discharged. The following posts establish Ideal SOC for storage is about 40%. The general point Im supporting, including a link, is that very drained Li-on batteries may be completely recoverable, especially if not left for long in that state.

Yes, I know. We all know that happens, but I am asking about these new ceramic batteries. How do they hold up with that?

More people think it is a big problem - thats why GreatScott disguarded them.

@@adymode I know. I work with batteries as a hobbyist. I still have some very old fully charged cells laying around, fully charged and they have little to degrading in capacity. The problem lies in recharging. When you recharge or discharge a battery is the time where it is under the most stress and thus slowly degrades. This might be completely mitigated when we use solid electrolyte batteries. But we won't know unless somebody tests it! We need to know if we are to power the mobile world with battery power. Phones, cars, heaters, you name it. All are very susceptible to combustion if under extreme stress. This could be solved by a solid electrolyte battery. When batteries like this were announced I was extremely sceptical. I didn't believe that to be possible. Frankly the electrolyte material is different than from what I have been told, but I digress. You can't even imagine my excitement for the new technology. Devices will finally be able to have safe batteries, I am not talking about just the Galaxy Note 7 fiasco, but many more devices that are supposed to last a long time and be reliable.

wtf? li-ion normally stored with 60..70% charged.

leviosar

Keramic

@@Mickocarbomb as if any name could be more german than "reichert"...

Sir A Mic..sounds like a bad rapper

@@forbiddenera "Sir A Mic..sounds like a bad rapper" says "IdealSound & Performance" :P

"New mocrophone?" No. This is patric

I really love your channel! keep up with the good work!

So when’s your next video

The first 3 peapole who reply to this comment 1.Me 2.Brandon bruke 3.DMion

Make new videos you lazy bum.

epSos.de i agree

Just make em fatter???

LIPO is giving you much more current, so it is no direct replacement.

I think the fact that they are safe is that they lack the power capacity of the LiPo

But without getting dangerous

or capacituuur

Why you wanna kill me?

@@TheHuntermj xD

*liver failure has joined the chat*

Rather Crude!

Ceramic

raezad badduwees.

computer generated voice.

@@mattikaki nope he is german

Keramic

Well, when cut/punctured I would definitely not recharge them. WIth all the other scenarios, there is a chance that the battery could still work. But I would replace it (my opinion).

Can you safely do the test? At least for science?

Bro why does it say edited 3 days ago if this video just came out!?!?

R3MIX MODZ Patreon early access I presume.

He's time traveller :D

Glad to hear that :-)

I try them at school haha

underrated post

Are you sure?

No it’s ceramic

Its not Dick its Duck!!

No! This is Patrick!

LOL

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well...

Tell her to go watch electroboom Mehdi got some booms in his videos lol

Thing about EV naysayers is that they argue that gasoline is safer... the same fluid that is volatile and can explode if your gas tank leaks after a crash. It also burns without external assistance like diesel would. A battery, on the other hand, can be designed to spit fire out in a controlled manner similar to hydrogen and natural gas. And once the energy is burned out (rather rapidly, I might add) it’s inert. Gas can pool around first (like underneath you) before catching on fire without warning.

Could we not use his same calculations as seen in the video and perform a scale multiplier? There would still be significant heat when punctured at the sizes you would need for EV capacitance requirements. We need more data here. Think thermal camera and mechanical trauma device that applies measurable force units.

It'll certainly generate some heat, but it won't be the explosive inferno you get when you puncture a LiPo battery.

@@BrokenLifeCycle Couple things here. Gasoline is not an explosive. It only explodes when turned into a gas "vapor" (this can only happen with compression or by heating it in a small confined space). If your fuel tank leaks, the gas pours out and is completely free of any compression and will simply burn rapidly. In order for a fuel tank to explode it would need to be almost empty, heated for a long time, and then you'd need to somehow get a spark inside without releasing all the compression and gasoline vapor. You could do this by jamming a sharp file into the tank and the metal scraping would cause a spark, but let's be real, the chance of this happening in a crash is extremely low because there isn't any chance that the fuel can be heated enough to cause the gas to vaporize. Especially since the car is using fuel as it drives which doesn't allow compression in the first place. All you get with an ignited fuel tank leak is usually a small fireball and a rapidly burning car. (This is very serious if the fuel tank leak is large enough to cause a huge pool of gas before it ignites. So don't think I'm neglecting the actual dangers). Currently the batteries they use in EVs are actually explosive, in the way that compressed gas is explosive. You should learn something about gas powered cars before dissing them.

Gasoline is a volatile liquid that can soak onto something before catching fire like lamp fuel on a candle wick. And when I said gasoline exploding, I meant when there's a concentrated mix of fuel vapours (due to its volatility) in the air catching on fire (from say, a stray spark from a broken wire) while in a mostly enclosed space (for example, the trunk of a car or the passenger space). Technically, this is unlikely to be a stoichiometric mix, so it's arguably more a deflagration than an explosion (bad wording on my part) but the fact remains. It's a fireball that can happen without warning. Hydrogen and natural gas are also explosive in a sense. However, those can be addressed by relief valves venting and burning in a controlled manner in the event of an accident. Plus, the gasses rise up and diffuse quickly rather than pool in something and allow the vapours to concentrated in a sufficient amount to combust. Batteries exploding can be addressed similarly with controlled venting. With newer battery technologies (like the one in the video), we might not even see this problem. On the topic of me not knowing enough about ICE cars... I've seen enough F1 cars pre-methanol turning into flaming wrecks to be concerned about it in my vehicle. While the risk is much lower because my vehicle won't be going over a hundred MPH and has its fuel tank in a much safer location, the risk still remains niggling in the back of my mind. After all, I don't think my truck has an automatic shutoff to the fuel line running beneath my feet in the event of a crash.

This battery is almost a decade old.

it's a watch battery

You’re never too young to learn

Truly Infamous hydrogen batteries hold a charge better and are the future. Ceramic just makes it lighter. In my opinion ceramic will be passed up by science

I remember grads complaining that their degrees in tubes was thrown in the trash can by transistors. I felt like a real genius taking all the tubes out of the tv to the drugstore and testing each until I found the bad one. Now Apple wants to swap out my entire motherboard...

Not for long...

Yes for like 30 seconds

Spot welding anyone?

Yeah but only for short time like spot-welding

spot weldin still welding! hahaha

But think about when there is a car crash. LCBs would be way safer to use.

But they will be a good choice for smartphones in future, due to the safety reasons

Assuming they can be made about as cheap as conventional batteries and that their power output/density can be comparable to regular LiPo/LiIon batteries, they could very much make their way into electrical cars, as not catching fire and/or releasing dangerous fumes is a rather good property to have in the event of a car crash or similar. Of course, that would imply that no new battery technology comes along which outperforms both these new solid state Li batteries and conventional LiPo/LiIon batteries on performance and power density

@@greatscottlab I agree with you on that. But cars won't sell with lower ranges. I hope these batteries evolve, that would be an amazing improvement to electric car safety. Small ranges and high charging times are two of the things that "stop" electric Cars. I really hope that in time these batteries get a better energy density, but it just isn't easy

@@simplylinn well for that to happen LCBs have to reach the same energy density as the currently used batteries, in which case I would agree with you. Once again, I really hope it happens, I just don't think that it'll happen soon

bobsagget823 unlike your shit channel

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@@Basement-Science well,some companies like samsung has idea of flexible phones.

They would probably break easily if you bend them alot.

In drones....flexible attack drones!

@@RenKnight347 nah. Its still better in flexible cars if tesla makes it many people will buy it.

What lol

A good next project would be an Arduino-based device to cycle batteries while tracking capacity every time.

This was a basic safety test of the class of battery. Hard stats would probably come later using actual model numbers and corp. names.

It can be cycled for 2000times at 2 hrs charge/2 hrs discharge rate, capacity drop (recovery) can be over 80% of original.

@@chengpolun "2 hrs charge/2 hrs discharge" What is that supposed to mean? Do you mean 2c charge/2C discharge? The 2 hrs statement means nothing. Charging a 100 mAh battery for 2 hrs (at what current?) is completely different than charging a 1500 mAh battery for 2 hrs (again, at what current?). You need something other than time to classify charge/discharge rate.

@@NiHaoMike64 Chinese r/c chargers do that

That's going to take a while to get an answer lol

It has been a year. Still no answer lol

That's exactly what the plcb is lol

I think cost effectiveness is going to be the determining factor with these types of batteries.

you know the battery is thin if its literally thinner than the wire

Battery life going down? Change the bracelet!!

Maybe even integrated into the pcb itself.

"Kk" é BR?

@@luminumlx2604 instant reply but I don't know what to say \:

@@PawanSingh-cq5jl "instant reply" 9 hours later

Wow That Word ( *penis* ) Is Sh*t.

@waffeltek Are you 9 years old?

Thanks for watching. No, I am done with my Master.

Thunderfoot is not fodder, pleb

you think this is a real battery? you don't know that for sure.

It's over a decade old now, so not exactly new. As for being recycled.. Sort of? It's still lithium and a ceramic dust, the only problem is these batteries are rather weak compared to the common lithium batteries.

Is that why there are videos of people catching on fire while trying to vape with a l-ion battery? Over discharge caused by custom coils and under rated batteries?

@rogwabbit -- I don't know enough about e-cigarette battery explosions to comment specifically. However, in any application a Li-Ion battery can explode (the technical term is "vent with flame") if it is overcharged, punctured at a high state of charge, exposed to excessively high temperatures, manufactured improperly (poor production control) or have developed internal shorts (dendrites) due to overdischarge and then recharged. Note that recharging an overdischarged Li-Ion cell is not guaranteed to fail. Supposedly they can sometimes be brought back -- maybe with noticeable capacity degradation, maybe not. Personally, I don't ever try it because it's not worth the risk.

That's overcurrent right there, not overdischarge. If you get some cheapo batteries and ask them to give you 10A just like that... They won't like it, to say the least. EDIT: I'm referring to the vaping with custom stuff and the batteries exploding.

@@newmonengineering You're confused.

Prologium website.

Link?

@@everythingpony ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rdd1QqClVnY.html

they have added a link to his channel in the description. Also when his video is showing, a link to it appears in the top right hand corner (if you press the i button).

Why you need that

Why don't you? XD

amazing sound

Make a video about vacuum tubes.

@@pawel4066 yes, like who want great scott to make a video about tubes

It would be cool, but then we have to have bendy everything elses

They go in to graphane techlogogy. Samsung is not big in manufacture lithium batterys. LG Chem is biggest

@@Basement-Science it is expensive so far but not extremely expensive.lol, in fact the cell is already in roll to roll production mode and will scale up soon, at the time cost will be acceptable in EV application.

@@celeb18 "Samsung is not big [in the] manufacturing of lithium batteries." Are you crazy?!? That's like saying, "Pepsi isn't big in the manufacturing of cola, Coke is the biggest." One has nothing to do with the other. Samsung is a HUGE lithium battery manufacturer, just as Pepsi is a HUGE cola manufacturer. (I'm basing that all on the assumption that you know what you're talking about, and LG is a bigger manufacturer... Which doesn't matter anyways.)

Same question here. I hope that solid electrolyte batteries have way more cycles ?

hercion I looked up the website, it’s 500 cycles before it drops to 90% capacity.

@@thedronehorseman4713 that's rather good, isn't it?

@@hercion If the price is good, I still don’t know the price. They didn’t reply my email.

yup, that's basically short-circuit current

Usually they are surge ratings where you can do it for a few seconds only. The lower value if two are listed is typically the continuous current.

Might be. Mine say 100c with burst at 200c, which for my 1.5 Ah pack, that would be close (4x motors at 35 Amp each, depending on prop it can go way higher). So I'm only at its continuous rating when putting the power down, I don't know if it could power bigger motors without excessive Vdroop (its fine right now, lets those motors scream!). My favorite pack for micros is 70c rated (not sure if its burst or constant), and based on how many 12 amp ESCs I seem to blow up, I'm probably around that mark, so 4x12 Amp = 48 Amp, with a 0.55 Ah battery. My display is showing it only drops 2v on a punch out (from 12.6v fresh charge down to 10.8v at full throttle punch out till I run out of video reception drag racing or hit the 400ft legal altitude limit).

typically, high C rated batteries are lower capacity for the price, and if you get a 1Ah at 100C, it has the same current as a 5Ah at 20C.

He calls a fast-charge C rating of 5 "a step in the right direction". None of my LiPos have a higher charge rating than that. In fact, my 60c batteries can only be charged at 2c. I'd say that 5c charge at this early stage of the technology is absolutely amazing.

Shape has no effect on how much it weighs. I'm pretty sure that Teslas use an array of the Lithium Ion (cylinder) cells. Even in the video scott showed that the downside of the safe batteries is they hold less charge for their volume and weight than Lithium Ion therefore making them heavier comparably.

That low c rating makes them almost useless

My new smart helmet has them so if we stack theres no chance of a battery explosion with our heads inside it

@@joedirtpig814 wait no there is so much use for a low C rating

@@darvinde you're not wrong i could see them in cellphones in a few years considering how power efficient they're becoming, as of now they leave much to be desired.

@@joedirtpig814 Yes you are absolutly right. In the internet it says a smartphone needs 100-500mah, and as you said if you develop smartphones more energy efficient and if you develop the battery to drain more amps it would just be perfect with a safe battery, because no battery today in smartphones is safe. If any battery gets damaged, it catches fire. Some other cases would be: -Smartwatches -Some Microcontroller Projects for education, so it's save to work with a battery for beginner/schools even for intermediate people. -Wireless earbuds/headsets If you use battery's that you can bend, there are even more use cases.

Haha......good idea

It could be your "Achilles" heel.

+roidroid I wouldn't quit your day job to become a comedian.

German accent… 😂

Nah you're thinking of Cody's Lab and his bletch.

He's German. We say it like that

Ceramic is a Greek word and derives from kéramos, which is the plaster, and kerànimi (κεράννυμι) which means mix (verb). Germans also pronounce it keramik.

@@burningbanana6213 Interesting. Indeed in german it is with K, and the Greek one is with k. Weird, because in many languages it is with C, not just English. Polish, Spanish, Italian, French, all start with C. I checked few other languages, and it is somehow half C, half K, without not that much patterns.

in Indonesia, we say "ceramic" with "keramik"

No, both are correct technically so either are fine, stop being so anal about it look it up in a dictionary.

It's pronounced Uranus not Myanus!!

mwalsher You would be correct to say that if he was speaking in German, however he is speaking in English so it's a soft C sounding like S as in "sound". And before you complain that correcting him is rude: most people I have known on the internet who don't have English as their first language are very happy to be corrected so they learn how to pronounce English words correctly.

mwalsher KERAMIK.

Thanos Corp.TM sheramick

+Galbi 1000 However there are certain words in English that use a Hard C like a K. Many of those originated in Celtic or Gaelic, another form of Celtic. And note Celtic is pronounced Keltic unless the Scottish football team. So generally you are right but not always. Then we can get onto the American and British pronunciation of words.

@@I.____.....__...__ But... He's speaking English.

mwalsher You would be correct to say that if he was speaking in German, however he is speaking in English so it's a soft C sounding like S as in "sound". And before you complain that correcting him is rude: most people I have known on the internet who don't have English as their first language are very happy to be corrected so they learn how to pronounce English words correctly.

@@ledzeppeman accent

Bouncy, do you know what an accent is?

@Martin Luther mexican?

səˈræmɪk: www.macmillandictionary.com/us/pronunciation/american/ceramic

Bro why does it say edited 3 days ago if this video just came out!?!?

Rakesh Chavan r/foundthemobileuser Also it is r/woooosh with 4 "o"s

time traveller

Mortal CumBat!

First time I heard that pronunciation, is something like toh-mah-toh vs tomato?

@@0Raik No, he's saying "Ceramic" the way they do in German "Keramik". He also said "Achilles" in a rather unusual way (to an English speaker), which I assume is the German pronunciation. I'm sure the only reason people mentioned it, is that his English is ridiculously good...