Testing Out The New Surtr 999 Stacking Changes In PTS 

For me the point of this change is now It allows you to use your one to gain lane pressure hitting the enemy god without missing on the stacks, so for me It seems like a huge Buff to surturs lane phase

This change is more of a buff to Side Modes I feel like. Cuz for example in Arena, Surtr would get 0 stacks, there is no way to farm them. Same in other modes where you don't rly sit and hit waves for 15 minutes.

Old surtr 200 stacks did 1000 damage, new is 999 max. He got nerfed by 1 damage😔

Really should just be uncapped. Stack forever; make surtr a continual problem in an hour long match and provide a pathway for usefulness late

This is why he’s my favorite strimmer he does the things *looks at script* that no one else can do. All while looking fine okay doing it. (Can I have my money now please)

Certainly a nerf for jungle surtr. Killing one jungle monster got you 5 damage from 1 stack. Now you get a max of 3 stacks, for 3 damage, from a single jungle monster. Stronger when boxing enemy gods, nerfed when just farming minions and camps.

Eagerly awaiting the upcoming KA shenanigans

I'm a colossal fucking nerd and I want to know these things, so I actually opened up excel to record and compare the stacking process in this game. Basically when fineokay got stacks, I typed the current stack count, and next to that on the same row a 0 or a 1 depending on if it was a last hit (i.e. qualified for a stack in the old system). Next to that I had a counter that tallied up the 1s (old stacks) up to that point to see how many fineokay would have accumulated. And finally, a formula that converted the new stacks to the old stack equivalent (just divided by 5) and another with this number divided by the old stacks fineokay would have got, to find out the percentage ratio. All this was repeated on each row, so I could see the progression. TL;DR ---> The match ended at 374 stacks, whereas the old system would have given fineokay 84 stacks. The "old stack equivalent" with the new stacks was 74.8, or 89% of what fineokay would have got with the old system. As long as you are just last hitting minions, the new system is of course less efficient, because you only get 60% of the stack equivalent. But you are also hitting enemy players from time to time and getting that same 60% equivalent instead of nothing (unless you get a player kill while the 1 is on them, but even then you get slightly more benefit with the new system). The stack equivalent ratio did go up and down this game (sometimes fineokay was just farming, but at one point he hit Vamana 4 times in a row), but the general trend was upwards. I'd imagine that if the teamfight stage lasted longer this game, fineokay might have stacked the 1 to slightly higher damage than before. Based on this (admittedly small) sample, I do think Hirez lowballed the numbers a little bit. IMO you should get more a little more stacks for hitting a god. You really don't even want to use the 1 on any minions except big jungle creeps, because Surtr's AoE clear is good enough. "But what if you just farm a million stacks off enemy gods"? Well then they are presumably dying in the process and you are winning the game anyways.

TLDR: For average Surtr players: Mild nerf For experienced Surtr players: Goes unnoticed - Potential slight buff. This balance change and its impact on Surtr really should be based upon typical scenarios you would encounter with him in a match. Basically we are trading a -2 damage per minion kill for the ability to gain +3 damage for poking/boxing enemy gods (the +1 damage for minion hit and +5 for god kill are irrelevant changes). That means this will shift Surtr into a more rewarding, aggressive playstyle. A typical scenario in lane where you would be ideally using your 1 on both minions and gods alike the changes are going to be unnoticed more than likely. You will be throwing your 1 on enemy gods to poke them when you can giving you +3 dmg each time. When you're unable to poke you should be using your 1 on CD when there are minions around for KB and to secure +3 dmg. Yes the dmg increase this patch will be 40% less per minion kill however there will be a 60% increase in dmg increase for poking enemy gods. This is where an aggressive playstyle with an emphasis on using your 1 on enemy gods as much as possible will actually be a slight buff to your dmg stacking potential. A scenario to put it into context: You leave your fountain and use your 1 to kill 10 minions and hit enemy gods 8 times (18 uses of your 1, sounds like a lot but truthfully isn't given its short CD) before returning to base to buy items. Pre-patch you would receive 10 stacks for the 10 minion kills with your 1 stacking at +5 dmg per stack totaling 50 extra dmg on your 1. Post-patch you would receive 54 stacks: 30 of which would be from the 10 minion kills and 24 of which would be from the 8 uses of your 1 on the enemy gods. This would equal a total of 54 stacks at +1 dmg per stack totaling 54 extra dmg on your 1. This would basically come out to about 10% extra additional dmg from your passive on your 1 (slight buff). These scenarios would likely have even more differentiation in the mid-late games where team-fights are more common and you would and should have high CDR and boxing potential. You should find yourself in situations where team-fights net you far more stacks from consistently smacking enemy gods with your 1 as oppose to using it on wave or camps when your 2 and 3 will likely clear both of which in a single use. However, with all this being said it's only speculative and we'll have to find out Tuesday if this deems to be true.

I'm so happy about that change, getting stacks in assault was a pain cause everyone is just spam clearing the wave instantly. That will help a lot in side modes

this foo said "im stuck.. step bro" lmfaooo

"Oh I'm stuck", "step bro"

I’m assuming the morrigan clone would stack it up even faster

King arthur with qins animosity equinox archdruids exe when

"Step Bro! I'm stuck!" Hahahaha😅

this change also helps him a lot in other game modes, before it was damn near impossible to stack

😂 someone is going to get fucking slammed by an arch druid auto with his 1. Loyal's gotta edit a loud nuke when you hit it though

Kinda wonder how that new bow will work w izanami autos, if anyone has insight on that

This change really only helps in other game modes where you arent the one clearing wave

In conquest if you were focusing the stacking aspect this has to be a nerf, but then you gain more pressure in lane since you are more rewarded to hit the opponent instead of focusing on last hitting. Edit: It seems fineo summed it up in a similar way in the end :)

Do you think it might be worth buying wards early now because of bull demon?

Do you not rank up the 2 after the 1?

I disagree with people saying this is a nerf. Sure, you reach basically the same amount of damage, but HOW you got there is way different. With these changes you can box, fight in lane, gank, fight over objectives AND farm to get stacks, where as before you had to sit in lane for 20 mins afk farming minions to get that many stacks. Makes it so Surtr doesnt get punished in 1 stacks for being present the whole game.

its weird, because its overall less damage than before, just easier to get stacks, and i dont know if it will equate in most games.

If your cooldown is 5 secs and you’re getting 3stacks each time it would take around 28 mins of nonstop one usage 😭

Maybe he should get part of his 1 cooldown refunded if he kills something while its burned

So u can get 3 stacks by last hitting a minion and 8 if you do the same to a god? 🤔

As a Surtr main, I don't even know what to think about this... 🤣😭😭

Well, regardless of how it affects surtr, its more fun for me to stack this way so im happy

Hmm I don't know how I feel about this. It is better for casualy stacking I think but less worth going for or focusing on? The old surtr without a cap but reduced damage would make him 10x more interesting. I don't mind gods getting OP at the end of the game, this would change the meta a bit where late game gods are a high risk high reward thing. But idk

The stacking feels more natural but they gotta double the amount of stacks you get or something cuz there’s no way to get max stacks now even with a 50% cooldown build unless it’s been 50+ minutes in the match they actually made it take twice as long to stack

This is definitely not a nerf but a QOL change/buff. It felt like shit to hit the enemy god and not get a stack so now you do. The more aggressive you are, the more cooldown, the more of a buff it is for him. Simple as

So if you hit an enemy god, you get 3 stacks and if you kill him you get 5. A kill with your 1 is worth 8 stacks then?

Holy crap even though the dmg didn’t change is easier to get, this will make Surtr supp more viable.

Fineo I love Surtr so much but he feels so damn squishy late game no matter my build. Feel like I cant dive hunters/Mages I get hit too damn hard. Any tips?

Seems like a buff but only for late game and depending on how many stacks you get.

Maybe make the minion give 2 then 3 when killed?

If you have the golden shard and you 1, does that double stack it?

So you used to get 5 extra damage per stack up to 200 stacks which equals 1000extra damage at max stacks, now you get 1 extra damage per stack up to 999 stacks which equals 999 extra damage at max stack, so it isn't really a buff, the damage breaks even at max stacks, the only difference is how you stack now, I guess it doesn't just force you to last hit minions in order to get stacks but you can now getting them by being in fight and hitting enemies

@fineokay Warriors axe over bluestone? I assume bc of the nerf?

It's way harder to stack. Old passive, 1 minion kill equals 1/200th of full passive. Killing a minion now gives you 3 stacks. 3x200 = 600. Not even close to full passive.

(noob smite and noob surtr player) most massively needed buff to any god Ive ever seen, went from literally unplayable to really really good (also i only play assault or motd)

ya that might become annoying to play against, but it looks fun asf 😂

The damage change made this pretty pointless

Is there any way you can make it so we can't hear everytime you swallow hahaha

totem counts as a minion?

they couldn't of just kept it 200 and let us have fun

Surtr bouta be OP in slash 😭

I think it’s a good change but no one is reaching 999

Okay, fine

All they needed was to keep the stacks the same but give the stacks on god kills. make it actually rewarding to fight rather than just AFK farm.

Day 9 asking for tank olorun

That's really trash lol

Day 81 of asking for Crit Ymir when Smite 2 releases

I hope people realize how bad of a nerf this is. Yes you can build stacks much faster now, but the value is 5 times less. That is a huge drop off. Not a single one of you are getting even close to 400 stacks, I’m diamond 1 in conquest and in my best games I’m averaging 90-115 stacks in 30-40min games. That’s me, I don’t expect an average surtr player to even get 60 stacks while still being effective in game. 100 stacks now is 500 bonus damage, you would have to get 500 stacks in the update for it to be valued the same. That ain’t happening, you must be some bronze-gold noob to be in a lobby that would even allow it

It’s a buff, because surtr players will be happier and will smack things more! 🥹