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Testing the Concept of Spaced Armor 

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This is a quick test to explore the idea of spaced armor against small arms rounds.
And yes, I know the saw blades are not the same composition of steel. Thanks for ALL the comments pointing this out.
Also, HEAT rounds are a kinetic penetrators just like solid shot, or a sabot. The temperature they produce is below the melting point of steel. Spaced armor is Composite armor is Chobham armor. Deal with it.
Check out my followup videos:
Composite Armor: • Composite Armor: incre...
Spaced Armor Testing 2: • Spaced Armor Test 2
Sloped Armor: • Does sloping armor inc...
Rounds used:
5.56x45mm 55gr FMJ
7.62x39mm 124gr FMJ
Targets (25m):
3/8" solid mild steel plate
stack of 1/8" saw blades with 1/4" standoff
1/8" saw blade combined with 3/8" solid plate
Skip to conclusion at: 13:35
Note: All steel used is not armor grade, nor are any of the projectiles steel cored or designed specifically to penetrate armor
For more information on spaced armor refer to this Aberdeen Proving Ground report which documents their extensive testing:
www.dtic.mil/dt...

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@jth_printed_designs
@jth_printed_designs 5 лет назад
Different steel types. Only way to have an apples to apples comparison is to shoot through the saw blades in both the spaced and non-spaced configurations.
@halofan4646
@halofan4646 5 лет назад
He's just a new chanelle give him some slack
@bloodlove93
@bloodlove93 5 лет назад
@@halofan4646 He's just pointing out something logical and helpful to future content. Nothing wrong with that.
@mkoprc
@mkoprc 5 лет назад
I agree, steel comes in all kinds of qualities, depending on what task it should weather. Hence, there is no "best" sort of steel, much like there is no "best" spice. Good thought for future videos.
@havhavproductions8725
@havhavproductions8725 5 лет назад
Its also a brilliant demo of mild vs hardened steel for round penetration
@b-man2961
@b-man2961 5 лет назад
Steel has different densities as well.. They were all different, hardness as well as density.
@RightWingNutter
@RightWingNutter 5 лет назад
Clamping those saw blades together in contact, then comparing the penetration with the spaced arrangement might have been a better comparison.
@jackalmountain6523
@jackalmountain6523 5 лет назад
Check out some of my other videos. I did a follow up test where I tired that.
@iatsd
@iatsd 5 лет назад
How would it be a better comparison? The test was of the concept of spaced armour, not laminated armour or layered plate.
@RightWingNutter
@RightWingNutter 5 лет назад
iatsd, Similarity of materials. Saw steels and mild steel are alloyed and tempered differently. Clamping the disks together would eliminate the materials variable.
@TheTeehee11111
@TheTeehee11111 5 лет назад
yes, because the blades probably had a higher hardness than the mild steel
@ZombiesAteMyGF
@ZombiesAteMyGF 5 лет назад
Not when you're testing...... SPACED armor. Genius.
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 5 лет назад
Just another quick note on spaced armors; the space needs to be wider than the projectile's length to allow it to tumble within the cavity prior to connecting the main armor belt.
@PilotTed
@PilotTed 5 лет назад
That has only really been done effectively against modern darts (apfsds) with the Leopard 2a5 thatbi know off. Its pyramid like armor on its turret cheeks is actusly empty space to allow the dart to become unstable and bounce or shatter on impact of the actual turret cheeks. But this requires both the first plate of the pyramid and the turret cheek to be angeled.
@PilotTed
@PilotTed 5 лет назад
Which it was, if you look at the leo 2a5, the pyramids first plate was very angeled with the turret cheeks being angeled as well.
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 5 лет назад
Very true on a large scale (i can't remember how wide the cavity within the M1's armor is, but i know it's not really wide enough to effect modern KE rounds) but he was messing about with small arms and I couldn't help but notice that the gaps in his test piece were way too narrow to really take full advantage of spaced armor effects.
@PilotTed
@PilotTed 5 лет назад
@@jonskowitz spaced armor really is only really effective against chemical munitions, but it is still good against kinetic rounds. Your better off having 1 thick plate with 1 plate far in front of it. Besides that spaced armor does not provide as good of advantage as composite armor with kinetic rounds.
@PilotTed
@PilotTed 5 лет назад
@@jonskowitz in a way he used composite armor with spacing which os a good combination, as each saw blade is different so I'm sure some had different hardness which offered a composite like armor and the spacing helped even further. I believe most MBTs have space between a lot of the composite layers to give more effective chemical protection without sacrificing kinetic protection.
@Elthenar
@Elthenar 5 лет назад
I thought spaced armor was more to defeat HEAT rounds than regular solid bullets.
@mspicer3262
@mspicer3262 5 лет назад
It was, as soon as shaped-charge weapons were developed in 1939-40, the race was on to find ways to protect against them. Initially, the charges were not widely deployed, they weren't terribly accurate and there weren't good ways of delivering them to a tank in combat conditions (no rockets or gun-based HEAT until around 1941). The armoured 'skirts' were developed following experiences on the Eastern Front, and would cause the HEAT warhead to detonate away from the hull, with the gap causing the penetrator jet of molten copper lose most or all of its effectiveness. This is evidenced by the modern use of steel mesh instead of steel plate. Same performance against HEAT rounds, less weight.
@qbenalzaeen2052
@qbenalzaeen2052 5 лет назад
German tanks had skirts to protect against Soviet 14.5mm anti-tank rifles. Spaced plates were also useful against HEAT but there were very few weapons capable of delivering such a warhead until bazooka, which entered service in small numbers in late 1942. By this time many German tanks already had skirts because Soviets had very many 14.5mm rifle in service since early 1941.
@mspicer3262
@mspicer3262 5 лет назад
@@qbenalzaeen2052 - The first Panzer IV with the skirts was the Aus. H, which entered service in June of 1943. Coincidentally, the use of HEAT rounds for tank/anti-tank guns was accelerating during the entirety of 1942. Not to say that you're wrong, the Soviet 14.5mm AT rifle was a nasty thing to encounter in a tank. The main problem was they needed to hit at almost precisely 90 degrees on a flat surface to actually penetrate armour. Otherwise it was just a loud clang and the armour has a deep gouge in it.
@rodofiron100
@rodofiron100 5 лет назад
To the guy talking about the at rifles, tanks and anti tank guns were perfectly capable of fireing HEAT even before bazookas. If my memory serves the Germans had a HEAT round available for the pz3 as early as rommle going to North Africa. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewere
@Elthenar
@Elthenar 5 лет назад
@@rodofiron100 The first german HEAT round was for the PZ4 7.5cm, it debuted in early 1940. The Brits had the first HEAT round to see service in early 1940. What M Spicer said is accurate. Heat rounds existed but they weren't common enough to invest in countermeasures until 42 or so.
@toter-drache
@toter-drache 5 лет назад
It'd be comical seeing a guy wearing a Stacked Sawblade Armour Suit attacking me 😂
@bryanmartinez6600
@bryanmartinez6600 5 лет назад
Is this a remake of Hellraiser but instead of nails it's saw blades
@ThePadsta108
@ThePadsta108 5 лет назад
Not gonna lie, if I saw a guy running at me with sawblades strapped to him as armour, I'd run in the other direction. xD
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 5 лет назад
I'd just hope I saw him before he saw me.
@toter-drache
@toter-drache 5 лет назад
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 😂
@Frigenguy1
@Frigenguy1 5 лет назад
Panshot!!
@jacknemo8021
@jacknemo8021 5 лет назад
are the saw blades not Hardened tool steel (O-1 or D2) and the plate mild steel?
@danshaw6759
@danshaw6759 5 лет назад
Jack Nemo exactly what I was thinking.
@dragonhuntarchery7506
@dragonhuntarchery7506 5 лет назад
I was waiting on some one to notice that and yes saw blades are tool harden steel.
@jnathannger8654
@jnathannger8654 5 лет назад
theyre certainly not hardened steel for fear of shattering in normal use
@scottwilliams6835
@scottwilliams6835 5 лет назад
The saw blades would be extremely brittle from the sides. Explains why the large one just shattered.
@brendonmoore3505
@brendonmoore3505 5 лет назад
Indeed.
@chmc9000
@chmc9000 5 лет назад
556 pen due to speed and smaller round. Smaller point of contact. 7.62 stopped due to lower speeds and heavier bullet. Larger point of contact. Good test on a budget.
@undeaddread
@undeaddread 5 лет назад
similar results in my tests using .22 vs .177 air rifle pellets, smaller round carries more speed & higher target penetration on tests uyp tp 100 meters, I havent tested the drop off on distances over this
@232nightowl
@232nightowl 5 лет назад
Should have used 7.62 NATO
@canadiankrispybacon1450
@canadiankrispybacon1450 5 лет назад
Chance Mcgarrah 7.62 heavier yes, but is using more powder!? I missed the distance, however it appeared to be +100m, more than enough time for the round to reach its velocity limits. Not the results I was expecting to be honest.
@justonlyme6121
@justonlyme6121 5 лет назад
Canadian KRISPY Bacon huh? The projectile is at maximum velocity as it leaves the barrel and slows from there. It’s not a rocket
@canadiankrispybacon1450
@canadiankrispybacon1450 5 лет назад
Just Onlyme could’ve worded it better...targets too close to the muzzle the rounds can have less of an effect or impact, or penetration...not a physicist but has to do with the stability I guess and not velocity of the projectile...anyway that’s how I understand it.. in other words the round needs time to sort itself out.
@lowercherty
@lowercherty 5 лет назад
Spaced armor is mainly for shaped charges. The space allows molten metal "flame" dart of molten copper to disperse between layers.
@bodyno3158
@bodyno3158 5 лет назад
Metal jet is not molten, it's still solid copper, but under extreme pressure, copper act like liquid.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 5 лет назад
Not entirely true ,spaced armour has been used since at least ww1 and shaped charges were not used until ww2. The initial development was based purely on kinetic rounds.
@chetpower772
@chetpower772 5 лет назад
soviet anti tank rifles where defeated with spaced armour in ww2
@WIIGGYX
@WIIGGYX 5 лет назад
@@cardiffpicker1 there was HEAT round in ww2 like the panzafaust
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 5 лет назад
@@WIIGGYX I know there was and I started that is when they started being used, spaced armour however was developed around ww1
@Gone29480
@Gone29480 5 лет назад
DAMN IT ! I thought he was gonna talk about SPACE armor.
@bc4458
@bc4458 5 лет назад
Thats why I clicked! lol the age of space exploration is coming and us space nerds are getting ahead of ourselves XD
@daniele.f.2963
@daniele.f.2963 4 года назад
LOL
@Jumptownwore
@Jumptownwore 4 года назад
Same. Click bait.
@stanleyalexander8793
@stanleyalexander8793 4 года назад
He got me too lol and I learnt something new at the same time.
@TheMrPeteChannel
@TheMrPeteChannel 4 года назад
I'm the 80th like!
@Intro2Love
@Intro2Love 5 лет назад
the brittle steel in front is like another style of armor called "ablative" armor which is made to be hit first and shatter to absorb the brunt of the hit! nice stuff👍
@henryruiter4186
@henryruiter4186 5 лет назад
The reason the panzer 4 had side skirts wasn't for HEAT(to some point ) rounds but for the Russian AT rifle witch was 14.5mm rifle I think.
@Senbei01
@Senbei01 5 лет назад
Yep. Largely because the main users of HEAT round during WW2 were... the Germans. Also, spaced armour was first used on French armoured vehicles during WW1, and was seen on 1930's British cruiser tanks, before the Germans started putting it on their Panzers (iirc). Edit: Well, that's certainly the reason usually given for adding skirts to the Panther tanks.
@rileyboulay361
@rileyboulay361 5 лет назад
when did he say it was for HEAT?
@henryruiter4186
@henryruiter4186 5 лет назад
@@rileyboulay361 he didn't have too because I was adding information he did mention in the video on why the skirts where put on the Panzer 4
@cpurk4457
@cpurk4457 5 лет назад
The purpose of vehicle skirts are to reduce the effectiveness of shape charges causing them to detonate before striking the main armor.
@Laplagaable
@Laplagaable 5 лет назад
Clark Purkiss The skirts in the Panzer 4 series weren’t intended to stop shaped charges, they were meant to stop anti tank rifles. So maybe not all skirts are meant to stop shapes charges
@mpk6664
@mpk6664 5 лет назад
They were originally developed to stop Russian antitank rounds. Nowadays, they can stop shaped charges from RPGs and potentially small arms.
@jangamaster8677
@jangamaster8677 5 лет назад
Not exactly. Tank skirts were first designed too stop anti-tank rifle rounds
@aroventalmav888
@aroventalmav888 5 лет назад
Same concept really. Blunt the initial dump of energy so that the pricey armor shrugs it off. Makes little different if it's a metal slug or a plasma jet.
@darrenjones3681
@darrenjones3681 4 года назад
I think your referring to bar or cage armour
@theduke7539
@theduke7539 5 лет назад
*cleans out shop* *finds bunch of old saw blades that aren't useful anymore* "What should we do with these? Throw them away?" "Let's shoot them" "Nothing else?" "We'll think of something."
@theduke7539
@theduke7539 5 лет назад
@phuc ewe me: Sees your reply Also me: it's up to 50 now Beeyatch
@kevingrove4379
@kevingrove4379 4 года назад
phục êwê This is practical research, am starting my saw blade house now.
@kibukun
@kibukun 4 года назад
This is what I do with all of my solid trash.
@taggartlawfirm
@taggartlawfirm 5 лет назад
What TYPE of steel are your plates? Mild steel? Hardened? Rolled Homogenous Steel? Cold saw blades are good quality chrome vanadium, hot saw blades are mild steel with hardened teeth. Your normal plate stock is soft. This protocol is a good test of concept as long as your materials are the same.
@calvinnyala9580
@calvinnyala9580 5 лет назад
In that case, the spaced armour can be considered as composite armour...
@Karuiko
@Karuiko 5 лет назад
Agreed. Especially when he was talking about how some blades were brittle and others were more softer. It wouldn't be a fair comparison.
@jrussell1832
@jrussell1832 4 года назад
The saw blades are high carbon steel and are heat treated. The test plates must also have the entire area equally supported to get proper & consistent results. Try putting a layer of thin but heavy rubber or 2 to 3 asphalt roofing shingles between the two layers. I think you'll be quite surprised! Good luck!
@magnumopus8695
@magnumopus8695 5 лет назад
thats not at all what spaced armor is for. spaced plates or cages are to prevent HEAT rounds from penetrating the main armor of vehicles. HEAT "High Explosive Anti Tank" ammunition is a shape charge, it uses an extremely hot focused line of molten copper to literally melt through armor, and has proven to be extremely effective at penetration. the counter to HEAT is spaced armor, by having a thin piece outside and away from the main armor gives the copper line of death time to expand and disperse its energy so by the time it reaches the main armor it just splatters across dealing minor damage. hope this helps your analysis.
@deutsch-amerikanisch8281
@deutsch-amerikanisch8281 5 лет назад
Copper Jet it's not molten, Other than that you good.
@D4cked
@D4cked 5 лет назад
Spaced armor against kinetic projectiles is a genuine use. In world war 2 panther had spaced armor installed specifically to defend against anti-tank rifles.
@jackalmountain6523
@jackalmountain6523 5 лет назад
Thinly spaced armor is for destabilizing low caliber hardened penetrators. It was used extensively in WW2. HEAT rounds are so much more effective at penetrating armor (because its an ultra high velocity jet of material, temperature has nothing to do with it, KE=1/2MV^2) that the spacing between the plates has to expand out to be effective (cage armor). Its the same concept for both. Modern APFSDS ammo is even better at armor penetration that the air gap in the spaced armor has to be replaced with exotic ceramics. This is all "composite armor" is.
@andythomason5576
@andythomason5576 5 лет назад
@@jackalmountain6523 It is true temperature has little to nothing to do with penetration. However, it has everything to do with the effectiveness of the round after penetration. This being said, having stand off or deferring densities of a protective barrier has been used for ballistic defense for hundreds of years. Not long after the cannon took to the field of battle did castle walls start being back filled with ruble and then a second hardened wall to stop incoming rounds. This battle of defense and penetration has been a tug of war for a long time. You even see it where hardened bunkers to defend against nuclear weapons are concerned. As it stands right now "Bunker Busters" that's a round designed to penetrate first, and then detonate after defeating yards of defensive walls and other underground systems. has the upper hand last I checked. Guaranteed though, it will only be a mater of time before this sea-saw goes back the other way. Iron curtain is the newest system I'm aware of but that was 10-11 years ago when last I heard of it. It had a lot of bugs to work out but if a Humvee was armed with a fully functioning Iron Curtain system, it could stop an RPG in its tracks less then 40mm from impact. Now I don't know how they will stop the heart attacks that will happen when someone sees an RPGs warhead sliced off by a laser curtain less then 40mm from their face but that's another topic.
@devin6220
@devin6220 5 лет назад
@@jackalmountain6523 Ceramics are used to defeat chemical energy munitions, not KEP. In the Abrams, for example, composites are used in addition to spaces. Steel-laminated depleted uranium is used to back the RHA. its purpose is to fracture the tip of an incoming KEP, thus preventing penetration and causing the rest of the round to fuse to the outer layer of the armor on impact.
@b-man2961
@b-man2961 5 лет назад
You need to have the plates fully immobilized, otherwise the flexing blades will rob the round of its energy, invalidating your test, Square four point immobilization or triangular three point immobilisation.
@Devileyeswvx
@Devileyeswvx 5 лет назад
also considering the difference in the type of material already invalidates the test. The material of the saw blades is a lot stronger than normal "mild steel" .
@wbnc66
@wbnc66 5 лет назад
it isn't a lab test for precise results..it's just someone dinking around with the concept of spaced armor.... if he set it up in a lab style test the general results (spaced plates decreases penetration)would be repeated.
@firewing1319
@firewing1319 5 лет назад
Plus spacing out the distance separating the plates by at least twice the length of the bullet. Gives it enough room to start tumbling
@dexter2433
@dexter2433 5 лет назад
i just hope his 5.56 can group better than this in real testing
@TheDirtFighter
@TheDirtFighter 5 лет назад
Isn't "the blades flexing will rob the round of it's energy" the whole idea behind a multi-layered armor system???
@senya6095
@senya6095 4 года назад
"Direct impingement PMAG adapter" Modern problems require modern solutions.
@erichenneman2553
@erichenneman2553 5 лет назад
I'm not sure if this has been commented yet but spaced armor is normally used to detanate chemical penetrating rounds (this includes heat and hesh she's also some very sensitive he shells). Spaced armor is not to stop kinetic penetrating projectiles (this includes solid shot, sabot, and any thing that uses kinetic power to push through the steel). So spaced protection provides very little added protection from normal rounds but can completely stop a hear shell. There are old 1950s U.S. training films explaining exactly how it works.
@davidfreeman2522
@davidfreeman2522 5 лет назад
Now you need to tell that to wot
@gsh341
@gsh341 5 лет назад
In order to accurately re-create spaced armor like you have on an armored vehicle, it would have to be 2 sections of metal separated by an approximately 1" air gap. What that armor is made of is another issue entirely. Some is hardened armor plate, some is plain steel and some others are aluminum. in your test it would have been a more realistic test to have 2 pieces of 3/8" mild steel bolted together at the corners with 1" spacers to keep them apart. As for protection from shaped charge warheads like are found in HEAT rounds like the RPG, that requires even more space so that the warhead will detonate far enough away from the vehicle to allow the highly focused shaped charge to spread out and greatly diminish the concentration of the blast. That's why armored vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan used "bird cages".
@ninjafroggie1
@ninjafroggie1 5 лет назад
Spaced armor is NOT meant to defeat kinetic penetrators such as sabot tank rounds or small arms fire. Spaced armor is meant to defeat HEAT (high explosive anti tank) rounds. Your kinetic round (namely the 7.62 bullet) did NOT penetrate 3/8" of solid steel plate, but it DID penetrate 3/8" worth of saw blades. If spaced armor provided superior protection or even equal protection vs Kinetic rounds, you would expect the 7.62 to only penetrate 2 saw blades and be stopped by the 3rd one at worst. HEAT rounds work by using a shaped charge explosive to create a jet of liquid metal plasma (usually copper), which burns its way through the armor plate and sprays the inside of the vehicle with molten metal, killing crew and potentially touching off ammunition. Notable examples of weapons which utilize a HEAT warhead include the German WWII panzerfaust and American Bazooka, and the much-more-common-in-Afghantistan Soviet/Russian RPG-7. Spaced armor defeats HEAT projectiles by allowing a path of less resistance for the exploding jet of liquid metal produced to take. Instead of detonating in contact with the hull, where the path of least resistance is the shortest route through the armor (and thus, into the crew compartment), the HEAT projectile detonates on the comparatively-thin spaced armor, and the jet enters an air gap before meeting the main armor plate. This allows for a majority of the force of the explosive jet to dissipate into the air gap instead of burrowing into the main armor plate. Spaced armor provides almost no value when faced with kinetic penetrators (any solid shot, from bullet to tank sabots) beyond the slight increase in total thickness of the armor unless there is enough air gap between the plates to allow the round to tumble, but in the case of vehicle armor this would require both an air gap so large and and outer plate so much thicker as to make the system un-viable due to both weight and volume. It was only useful in very limited capacity in wwII on German panzers because of the prevalence of anti-tank rifles like the soviet 14.5mm or the 20mm Ladi, man portable systems with kinetic rounds which COULD penetrate the 30mm side armor of a panzer IV, but they fired small enough rounds that a fairly thin plate could be mounted far enough from the hull to induce enough tumble that the round was unlikely to penetrate. Schurtzen was really only common to the panzer III and IV (and vehicles based on those hulls, such as the highly successful StuG), the Tiger and Panther tanks both had thicker side armor which protected against these weapons. Kinetic man portable AT systems have since fallen out of use, as they simply cannot disable, let alone penetrate, a modern MBT. The closest thing to them still in U.S. use today would be the M82 .50 anti-material rifle, but even that is only rated for engaging thin-skinned vehicles. You would have probably noticed that the M1A1 Abrams tank does not have external spaced armor, except on some vehicles over its most vulnerable areas such as the treads, and that only appears on M1A2's fitted with TUSK gear. This is because the composite armor of the Abrams contains air gaps backed by a ceramic layer (excellent for defeating thermal energy) as an integral component of the armor plate, essentially having spaced armor built in rather than externally mounted. Still, outside of the armor used in MBTs, spaced armor will not protect against tank fired (120 or 125mm) HEAT rounds, they're simply too powerful. It's only real use is to protect the vehicle against man portable systems like the RPG. An alternative method for defeating HEAT projectiles is through the use of explosive reactive armor, or ERA for short. ERA works by covering the outer hull of the vehicle with small blocks of explosives encased in thin steel plate. When stuck by a HEAT round, the block of explosives detonates and counters the explosive force of the HEAT blast. While much EASIER to produce and repair than armor with integral air gaps such as the armor used by the Abrams, Leclerc, Leopard 2, and Challenger 2, the downside to this system is the inherent dangers of both keeping large amounts of explosives lying around (which can have, ahem, *interesting* results when said explosives start to degrade over time), and also the sheer concussive effects of the blast when struck which can damage some of the less-robust outer parts of the tank and severely rattle the crew, degrading combat performance at a critical moment. ERA was commonly found on Warsaw-pact MBTs, but has since fallen out of favor due to these shortcomings. Russia's newest MBT, the T-14 Armata, does not use ERA at all. ERA is also unsuitable for light armor vehicles, as LAVs (such as your MRAPs, or BMPs and Bradley IFVs) can by severely damaged by the ERA blast itself, thus necessitating the use of space armor to protect against man portable anti-tank weapons on LAVs. I hope that I did a decent job of explaining the theory behind spaced armor for you. TLDR: Spaced armor is used to protect you from Hajis with RPGs, not from small arms fire.
@00hunter93
@00hunter93 5 лет назад
Thanks for spending the time writing out this comment. Someone needed to bring up that the armor is not designed for small arms but HEAT RPGs or other HEAT projectiles.
@adityabiswas106
@adityabiswas106 5 лет назад
Good info.
@Thenotfunnyperson
@Thenotfunnyperson 5 лет назад
Thanks for the douchbag diatribe. However, spaced armor is also practical for kenetic impacts as well. Wiki "spaced armor".
@prosozzty8164
@prosozzty8164 5 лет назад
Um, well. Leopard 2A6 front turret armor is designed not only to defeat heat but also kinetic penetrator too... It designed to break or snap the penetrator and get rid the kinetic energy. Cmiiw
@ninjafroggie1
@ninjafroggie1 5 лет назад
@@prosozzty8164 All modern western MBT armor is, that's why it's called composite armor. It's made to defeat both types of AT weapon....but it's not the air gaps that defeat kinetic penetrators, it's the layered dense material solid plates on the face and backing. The US uses depleted uranium in its M1A2's. It works because when the kinetic round encounters something even more dense than it is, the majority of the force dissipates along the path of least resistance, which is back into the round, shattering it. Back in wwII, when tanks used simple steel shells as kinetic AP rounds, those rounds could be shattered by mere face hardened rolled steel. The air gaps are included because even hyper dense materials like DU perform poorly against a jet of liquid metal plasma. There is no material that is effective enough at defeating both kinetic and thermal energy hits to serve as an all purpose armor, so tank designers built both dense hardened plates and air gaps with ceramic backing into a multi-layered composite design that could defeat both. External spaced armor like you see on LAVs such as an MRAP only exists to defeat man portable HEAT systems like the RPG, the vehicle's main armor alone is capable of defeating small arms fire and nowhere near thick enough to defeat any tank fired round, even with the spaced armor.
@kevinb871
@kevinb871 5 лет назад
This type of armor is most effective against HEAT projectiles and shaped charges such as is found in some tank rounds and RPGs
@GTAVALE
@GTAVALE 4 года назад
@Dika Vinci well the mrap is not a tank and an rpg is an anti tank weapon that can penetrate lots of armor, they might not fully stop the warhead all the time but at least they weaken it to the point were it does little damage most of the time
@felixcat9318
@felixcat9318 4 года назад
Interesting test results! I had no idea that spacing could make such a difference, nor that having a thinner face plate could so degrade the bullet's penetrative capability. Subscribed.
@pocampo100
@pocampo100 5 лет назад
the spaced armor is not for countering regular ammo. is to counter the jetstream of rpg's explosive head. and when its a mesh is to trigger it out of efective range.
@teeroux
@teeroux 5 лет назад
This comment. The purpose is to get a shaped explosive warhead to detonate away from the surface of the main armor.
@pocampo100
@pocampo100 5 лет назад
at the proper range. spaced armor will counter the effect for not been at the optimal range to do the most damage.
@Erpyrikk
@Erpyrikk 5 лет назад
spaced armor on modern vehicles is not meant to protect against shaped charges. its purpose is to destabilize incoming kinetic rounds. Cage armor or net armor do protect vehicles by tearing the incoming warhead apart (but if the fuse hits first you're unlucky). In ww2 you see some M4 Shermans with logs or sandbags as addon armor added by the crew, this might have had minute effect against AT guns but would actually improve the effect of shaped charge warheads like the panzerfoust or panzerschreck by increasing the standoff distance of those warheads. Modern shaped charges maintain most of its penetration capability even with 2 meters of standoff.
@mr.waffentrager4400
@mr.waffentrager4400 5 лет назад
Heat , heatfs and apcr also
@noctisumbra2749
@noctisumbra2749 5 лет назад
@@Erpyrikk It actually has better penetration at ~ 1 meter to 2 meters than it does at the standoff probe's range as it allows the jet to fully form before interacting with the armor.
@jamesgrossmann1799
@jamesgrossmann1799 5 лет назад
The spaced armor plating on vehicles is for heat rounds which have shaped charges that burn a line through the steel. The combination of spaces, dissimilar materials and explosives are designed to disrupt the flame cutting line into the armor and dramatically reduce the penetrating effect.
@RebelMerc
@RebelMerc 5 лет назад
Keep in mind that not all saw blades are equal. Some are hardened steel like the one that shattered.
@blackwoodsecurity531
@blackwoodsecurity531 5 лет назад
we'll just market it as 'composite armor' ;p
@jamesrunions4553
@jamesrunions4553 Год назад
The saw blades are breaking because they have been hardened. Its the multi purpose blades that are breaking because they are made to cut steel and wood so they have to be harder than the steel they're cutting.
@christianjobes5571
@christianjobes5571 5 лет назад
I'm liking this video just because he's encouraging the conservation of ranges
@shenyathewelder9695
@shenyathewelder9695 4 года назад
I bet a combo of spaced and sloped armor would make this guys day. I’d love to see it myself
@ArkonPT
@ArkonPT 5 лет назад
I need to study for the Thermodynamics Exam tomorrow, oh well, spaced armor it is
@blueassassin8640
@blueassassin8640 5 лет назад
The concept of spaced armor on tanks mainly was for HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) rounds because the round would detonate on the spaced armor then the extremely high temp alloy's would cool down while traveling through the air between the spaced armor and the tank's armor. Such tanks as the Super Pershing used very thick spaced armor which made for a nearly impenetrable front. 5.56 rounds are smaller then 7.62 however they are traveling much faster therefore managing a higher penetration the 7.62 has much more stopping power but due to its size it gives up its speed. If these two rounds were to hit a human a 5.56 will zip straight through the person creating a very small entry wound and a moderate exit wound. A 7.62 will hit a person and create a slightly bigger entry wound and a very large exit wound if it manages to exit the body. There is advantages and disadvantages to both 5.56 will give you an edge in speed and most importantly range hence why our military has a hard on for it. The 7.62 round will kill easier but whats the point if you cant hit them. Just a splash of my opinion.
@A8vscRrabbit
@A8vscRrabbit 5 лет назад
Great test. I wonder if more spacing between blades and......."new and improved fleece bullet stop" in a few sections between the blades would work?
@johnm7788
@johnm7788 5 лет назад
The outer layer of armour on military vehicles is for RPG's and explosive HEAT tank rounds if i'm not mistaken. Nothing to do with small arms fire. It's basically their to stop a direct impact, instead of blowing a hole in the side of the vehicle it destroys the thin outer layer or chain, saving the passengers. The RPG explodes on the outer layer of armour or chain and absorbs the impact, the inside thicker layer stops all the shrapnel. I remember watching a old documentary on the implementation and future upgrades of these, they had all sorts of ideas some even included infrared sensors that would detect incoming projectiles.
@67yankee1
@67yankee1 5 лет назад
My experience with wolf ammo is they dont equate the velocity or the thickness in the jackets of fmj projos as found in military munitions, which would explain the lack of performance in your test
@NotDumbassable
@NotDumbassable 5 лет назад
IIRC the spaced plates were not added in WW2 to increase armour protections against AT rounds, but rather to defend against hand held and portable devices which could, when firing at the right angle, penetrate the side and rear armour.
@vasili1207
@vasili1207 5 лет назад
Panzerfaust
@brodiealltop7620
@brodiealltop7620 5 лет назад
@@vasili1207 no this guy is right. Panther was given spaced side armor specifically to counter anti-mat rifles such as 14.5mm russian firearms.
@vasili1207
@vasili1207 5 лет назад
@@brodiealltop7620 yeah I know
@Agent_Smith_Official
@Agent_Smith_Official 5 лет назад
When you fired that first round I thought a ricochet smoked the camera guy
@sierrawhiskey5155
@sierrawhiskey5155 4 года назад
lol
@matthewrodriguez9746
@matthewrodriguez9746 5 лет назад
If I'm correct spaced armor is primarily there to stopping HEAT or shape charge rounds from penetrating the main armor, and it's recommended for that spaced armor to be a good distance away from the main armor so the round can slow down or completely change direction from air in between the two armor. For shape Charge ( HEAT) the space armor detonate the round causing the super heated shrapnel to cool off and lose penitation capability
@michaelreedx6823
@michaelreedx6823 5 лет назад
In that set up wouldn't they be more prone to break as nothing is supporting the edges of the saw blades.
@saltefan5925
@saltefan5925 4 года назад
Unless I'm very much mistaken, modern spaced armor is often used to cause shaped charge ammunition and possibly also squash head ammunition to detonate early. The lack of armor causes some of the shaped charge jet to disperse through the air and when it hits higher resistance in the armor proper instead of when it only has solid steel to impact.
@kiwischeisse
@kiwischeisse 5 лет назад
Great test and I love both of your rigs. One thing to comment on: Steel is not steel. There are plenty of variations out there with very different characteristics. The blades are usually made of very tough steel, whereas the solid pieces looked rather low key in term of hardness. Nevertheless, composite has proven its benefit big times all over the show - and steel and air is a composite. Like your videos, please keep going. Cheers
@garypulliam3740
@garypulliam3740 5 лет назад
Try this ... 3/8 plate, glue, 1/4 inch neoprene, glue, thin plate.
@imperialguardsman135
@imperialguardsman135 5 лет назад
that's oddly specific
@mephistowalzofficial9970
@mephistowalzofficial9970 5 лет назад
Constrained layer technique.
@talltale9760
@talltale9760 5 лет назад
Imperial Guardsman composite armor my guy
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 5 лет назад
Compositively.
@JustinCase-ey4ok
@JustinCase-ey4ok 4 года назад
Ive seen a couple of folks commented on the issue of steel types. Your plate is untempered or mild as stated. That will off some advantages as its much more flexible. Those saw blades are going to be equivalent to a 1040 to 1080, couldnt see the manufacturer and blade type so be more specific. Where the last two numbers in 1040 is a reference to carbon content of 0.40% its also a reflection of increased hardness. Where its not exact but 1040 is roughly three to four times harder than mild steel. From an armor perspective your best case would be to use both steel with a light weight dispersion layer between. Something like a 1/16th mild outlayer with a 1/4 gap filled a loose kevlar or loose carbon fiber insulation than a 1/8th tempered steel or even better boron silica armor plate would stop most anything outside of an AMR or other weapon designed for high amor penetration.
@nicholashodges201
@nicholashodges201 5 лет назад
So much salt for what is essentially a proof-of-concept test! First of all despite all the bitching about him doing it wrong, he proved the concept works, and works well at that. Second spaced armour has been developed and dropped several times since the 14th century when breastplates were made of 2 and 3 play steel plate. While not common several examples have been found in historic armouries such as the tower of london's collection. It wasn't until the advent of shaped charges that it needed specific spacing. What has always made it fall by the wayside in the past is a combination of ballistic tech outpacing steel tech, and until recently the difficulty of making it functional and mobile. Even w/o a large space it works by damaging the round in such a way that the second impact will cause the round to break apart and waste it's kinetic energy that way, instead of dumping it all neatly into the primary plate. It also works much better with lightweight or higher velocity rounds. As far H/E & shaped charge munitions the spacing is just there to prevent the gout of blast from fully reaching the armour, or in the case of chain link "armour" you sometimes see to prevent the war head from triggering at all. Calm down and get over yourselves, if you think he's wrong, film yourself doing it "right" and put yourself out there.
@BeingFireRetardant
@BeingFireRetardant 5 лет назад
I too am on a low sodium diet, and firmly believe in freedom of the Interwebs for just such purposes. The very reason anything ever, ever gets invented, is because some guy with a theory and some shop tools got creative. The fact that one of his tests was 7/64ths" off is mildly besides the point... Now, I just need to figure out how to thread my 18" diamond encrusted concrete cut off blades into my Molle straps...
@nathanokun8801
@nathanokun8801 4 года назад
The lack of penetration of the heavier round, while the lighter projectile penetrated, is due to the minimal SHATTER VELOCITY of the second projectile type being exceeded, destroying the projectile before it could penetrate much, while the first design remained intact and penetrated cleanly. This is why face-hardened armor was invented in the 19-th Century to protect armored warships. By WWII, improved armor-piercing (AP) hardened-steel projectiles with hardened AP caps ("crash helmets" made of soldered-on steel of various kinds) had partially compromised such thick face-hardened armors, but the armor could still heavily damage the penetrating projectile and reduce many hits to mere solid-shot-type (cannon-ball-type) effects in the hit ship, which was greatly to be preferred to an properly-functioning, fuzed exploding projectile! Modern layered composite armors are designed to do the same thing to impacting modern anti-tank projectile effects, but these high-penetrating-power weapons need more robust defense than any steel layer can provide. Indeed, using layered armor (laminated or, better yet, spaced) where the first layer(s) can damage the impacting projectile and reduce its remaining penetration ability, is the primary reason for multi-layer armors. If they fail to damage the projectile or if they deflect it the wrong way (sloped parallel plates hit at a high angle can be counter-productive, for example), spaced armors are decidedly inferior to solid armors with a high resistance from side to side.
@thedungeondelver
@thedungeondelver 5 лет назад
The brittle plates rob the round of kinetic energy by ablating away.
@Alex-us2vw
@Alex-us2vw 5 лет назад
They are only attached in the center too which is unlikely in a real application. There is going to be flex in the saw blades between impacts dissipating energy before penetrating.
@zerg9523
@zerg9523 5 лет назад
Quick bit of material science... by spacing the outer layers a few things are achieved... it prevents shape charges from creating a copper jet at the required distances for optimal penetration... when bullets hit the outer layer they loose some kinetic energy instantly, but the main purpose is to cause deformation of the projectile so the surface area increases when contacting the inner layer... there are some smaller effect factors involved, but thats the meat of.
@peckerwood780
@peckerwood780 5 лет назад
Your standoff distance isnt enough. The plates need to be more than 1/4" apart.
@doncowboy6625
@doncowboy6625 4 года назад
they're to far apart. they have enough room for the plate to "get out of the way" of the bullet make the gap smaller so the plate binds on the bullet. and it should take less thin plates to stop the bullet.
@matthewbenson5913
@matthewbenson5913 4 года назад
Wait, you mean 4/8"? lol
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 5 лет назад
Some interesting variations that will continue to reduce penetration include. 1) Incorporating foam, spray rubber (like Flex-Seal), or cork in between the steel layers. The round will "bog down" and often be turned or angled (increasing frontal area of the round) thus deflecting along the steel plate. 2) Incorporating Plywood which will both deflect and slow the round in question. 3) Angling the plates so the rounds cannot impact at a perpendicular angle to the armor. Angling a plate by 30 degrees can increase the distance the round must penetrate by up to 50%. So an angled 1-inch plate will often stop a round that can penetrate a 1.4-inch vertical plate. Add water to the mix and really watch the penetration fall off. Water is heavy though.
@dumbcrumb879
@dumbcrumb879 5 лет назад
Fun fact, spaced armor is also what the space station uses to protect itself from micro debris going about 17500mph
@MartinMizner
@MartinMizner 2 года назад
Fun fact: it's made from Alluminium, like two 20 mm plates spaced by 10cm.
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 5 лет назад
5 minutes in and i have too much to say to be polite so, sorry, check your work before you send it for the entire world to see.. P.S. what a gorgeous shooting location you have and great to hear you actually care about keeping it that way, very much appreciated.
@nassersi
@nassersi 5 лет назад
anti-tank weapon uses shaped explosion to get thrue armor. Not body mass. Empty space between layers should break shapping and slide energy of explosion over bottom armor surface
@Astrocat-od5cy
@Astrocat-od5cy 5 лет назад
Spaced armor is meant to shatter or denormalize a solid round too. In fact the original spaced armor on Panzer IIIs were meant for Soviet Antitank Rifles.
@markdoldon8852
@markdoldon8852 5 лет назад
This type or armor isnt really meant for HEAT rounds, it's usually employed on light transport vehicles facing small arms.
@Guntank214
@Guntank214 5 лет назад
The science of armor penetration is complicated, but as a general rule velocity is more important than raw energy when it comes to penetrating steel. So the 7.62x39 failure to penetrate where the 5.56x45 succeed makes sense. A wonderful video that provides a very effective examination of the basic principles of spaced armor. Very well done.
@donaldgrant9067
@donaldgrant9067 5 лет назад
Do a test with the saw blade in front and the 3/8 in back and B-B's packed in between
@DETHdressedInRED
@DETHdressedInRED 5 лет назад
That's a great idea, like a sand bag but with a compressable soft metal and Kevlar on the inner layer.
@donaldgrant9067
@donaldgrant9067 5 лет назад
@@DETHdressedInRED Sand was my first idea.
@P5ykoOHD
@P5ykoOHD 4 года назад
I believe you could further reduce the amount needed if you give a different angle to each layer ... geometry would then be working for you in addition to the gap.
@j-rockeastwood2013
@j-rockeastwood2013 5 лет назад
Lol i though it was space armor. Lol that saw target looks like it just needs an axe handle. Get some zombie brains on it. Good vid. Thanks for your service.
@somedude3448
@somedude3448 5 лет назад
The point of spaces armor vs a single plate of equivalent mass in terms of stoping kinetic rounds is the the first plat disrupts the tragectory of the penetrator, making it tumble and deform a bit so that it is out of allignment when it hits the second plate. Thats why the more space the better, so that there it more room for the bullet to move out of alignment
@stevenrowlandson4258
@stevenrowlandson4258 5 лет назад
If the thin and thick plate combination was sloped would the protection be even better?
@jackalmountain6523
@jackalmountain6523 5 лет назад
It absolutely would. I tested sloping armor and it makes a big difference. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aSzVXsf8lls.html
@Spookey00gmailcom
@Spookey00gmailcom 5 лет назад
Yes, it would.
@michaelmorrison4201
@michaelmorrison4201 4 года назад
The strength and integrity of the saw blades significantly drops off the further out from center you get, probably actually making the round penetrate less because it is impacting a target that gives/flexes causing more of a tearing effect rather than punching through effect you would get closer to center, where there is solid support. Pretty cool video man, I wouldn't have thought to do that.
@reidhulshof3645
@reidhulshof3645 5 лет назад
The ISS and many other spacecraft use this as a cheap and lightweight armor for micro-meteorites
@OffTheHookVideos
@OffTheHookVideos 4 года назад
The International space station does not use a stack of old saw blades for armour
@whitescar2
@whitescar2 2 года назад
Again, thanks for the effort, but you're using kinetic penetrators against armor that was built to stop shaped charges. The air gap is there to deform the copper jet of a shaped charge (HEAT) warhead. It is of little to no use against kinetic penetrators. And as has been mentioned before, saw blades are likely hardened steel, because they need to be able to cut through stuff. Mild steel is very mild. So the comparison is not really apples-to-apples by any means.
@luggilu7864
@luggilu7864 5 лет назад
Spaced armor : made against shaped charges This guy: shoots rifle rounds
@ck9103
@ck9103 5 лет назад
The original spaced armor developed by the Germans was designed to counter Soviet anti-tank rifles, so I am assuming he's looking at it from that angle.
@little_lord_tam
@little_lord_tam 4 года назад
You know how the Leopard 2 can hold apsfds shells ? Because its one air conditioned boy
@luggilu7864
@luggilu7864 4 года назад
@@little_lord_tam yeah but in the Case of the leopard 2a4 it's the ceramics and the composition of the composite armor. In the case of the 2A5 and later variants its A the composition and B the angle of the frontal arrow heads.
@luggilu7864
@luggilu7864 4 года назад
@@ck9103 true, however, the main intent behind the shürzen on the panzer 3 and 4s was to prevent shaped charges from penetrating, the fact that spaces armor or even barbed wire attached to a vehicle could stop solid rounds was a welcome side effect.
@little_lord_tam
@little_lord_tam 4 года назад
@@luggilu7864 I know how this armor type works. The a 7 has this arrowhead so when a apfsds shell hits, it will lower the tip down *inside* of the armor so the angle of it changes before the shell hits the main body of the tank. It just sounds so curious using air as a strong legit armor 😂
@arwood111
@arwood111 5 лет назад
I had some old 1/4” mild steel and used it to back up my rifle berm. I took 2 sheets and set them side by side. My 5.56 would zip right through one plate but after stacking the sheets there was no penetration unless I repeatedly hit the same spot. I think the first sheet deforms and absorbs velocity limiting penetration.
@dsandoval9396
@dsandoval9396 4 года назад
11:15 "...oh, we got a nice little bulge there..." Hehe, that's what my girlfriend says.
@matthewmacius1328
@matthewmacius1328 4 года назад
He goes on to say “nothing too big”, does she say that too ;)
@dsandoval9396
@dsandoval9396 4 года назад
@@matthewmacius1328 unfortunately no, she just stares at my crotch a starts laughing.
@FlyboyHelosim
@FlyboyHelosim 3 года назад
Has your girlfriend got a nice little bulge then?
@dsandoval9396
@dsandoval9396 3 года назад
@@FlyboyHelosim yeah right... ...I WISH! It would add a little spice to the relationship. Hey, as long as she/he looks cute little Sandoval Jr. don't care.
@jozefkovac7036
@jozefkovac7036 5 лет назад
An interesting question is layered armor vs. spaced armor, when those are hit by solid penetrators. Layered armor is doing worse than solid plates, according to ship armor analysis I read some time ago, but in case of layered armor, which takes more space, it could be different. The initial layers could remove the ballistic cap, deform the projectile and can also turn it sideways, lowering its penetration potential.
@scottd9448
@scottd9448 5 лет назад
You should have used thin mild steel sheets, spaced and totaling the equal thickness of the mild steel plate. That's how experiments work. But I like the video and have subscribed.
@supergeek1418
@supergeek1418 4 года назад
Penetration primarily depends on velocity. The AR is much faster than the 7.62 * 39, therefore more penetration.
@knightartistic9493
@knightartistic9493 6 лет назад
You deserve more likes and subscribers. Nice video
@panosonic8208
@panosonic8208 5 лет назад
agreed
@loganarmistead7377
@loganarmistead7377 4 года назад
The reason why this happens is because the initial loss of kinetic energy is larger then a sustained loss of energy. So by putting multiple plates together you’re making multiple losses of initial energy then a sustained loss like you’d see in a singular plate of body armor. This can also be seen in a cars ABS system when you’re braking hard, your brake pads keep tapping the rotor and making initial losses of energy.
@jackalmountain6523
@jackalmountain6523 4 года назад
antilock brakes, good analogy. additionally on each successive impact the surface area of the projectile increases bringing more armor into contact with it, increasing resistance. Point impacts become more diffuse impacts
@AlexLee-dc2vb
@AlexLee-dc2vb 5 лет назад
Tempered steel is going to have completely different ballistic performance that’s mild steel
@CZ350tuner
@CZ350tuner 5 лет назад
The skirts on German tanks were to premature detonate HEAT projectiles as well as hyper velocity anti-tank rifle projectiles as German tanks had quite thin side armour (Pz.III = 22mm. / Pz.IV = 30mm.). Compared to the T-34 (47mm.) and M4 Sherman (38mm.) the German panzers skimped here on protection. Homogenous steel armour also contains nickel (70%), chromium (2%), vanadium (1%), copper (5%), Molybdenum (1%). Chrome - vanadium steel spanners and wrenches are probably the nearest practical analogue of homogenous armoured steel when it comes to hardness. During WW2 the training tanks, that never saw combat, were made of mild steel and were tagged with a big red warning triangle stating that they were unarmoured, in case involved in live firing mock battle exercises. Prototypes, such as the first M4 prototype, were also made of mild steel.
@qbenalzaeen2052
@qbenalzaeen2052 5 лет назад
The skirts on WW2 German tanks were specifically developed to counter Soviet 14.5mm anti tank rifles.
@MrSmokey72
@MrSmokey72 5 лет назад
Its to protect against shaped charges not bullets.
@mungo7136
@mungo7136 5 лет назад
Depends on design. Original Schurtzen was used to protect against anti-tank rifles as is destabilized bullet prior impact on the main armor thus greatly reducing its piercing ability. Same could be applied today. Mesh armor, slat armor etc. on the other hand are supposed to either prevent the HEAT warhead's detonation (through damage or "gentle" deceleration) or reduce its penetration ability by damaging its geometry. Other types of the spaced armor may be designed to interfere with penetrating jet of the HEAT warhead and thus increasing the protection. So there are more than one reasons to use this type of armor.
@killerbern666
@killerbern666 5 лет назад
and shaped charge will penetrate no mater what material is there 😂
@iatsd
@iatsd 5 лет назад
@@killerbern666 But shaped charges are designed to work across a specific depth. Place a plate out from the main armour and you will rob the shaped charge of a lot of energy as it detonates on the spacing plate and never pens the main armour. That's why a lot of modern shaped charge rounds have double or even triple warheads: they're specfically designed to defeat stand off armour and ERA blocks.
@killerbern666
@killerbern666 5 лет назад
iatsd yea thats true
@mungo7136
@mungo7136 5 лет назад
@@killerbern666 depends on material. When you disrupt penetrating jet you you defeat it.
@DirkVaughan
@DirkVaughan Год назад
It’s like someone let a kid loose with a gun and a camera and shot some metal in uncontrolled experiments.
@sawic87
@sawic87 5 лет назад
its not made to protect from bullets . spaced armor protects from RPG
@b-man2961
@b-man2961 5 лет назад
I think you'll find RPGs are shaped charges! solid core is different and most often fire from an anti-tank cannon, RPGs don't need to be as fast a projectile!
@GuyDawson
@GuyDawson 5 лет назад
The energy of a bullet is its kinetic energy which is 1/2 * m * v^2 - the squaring of the velocity means that speed is the critical factor and what gives the faster 5.56 the edge over the 7.62, especially at short range.
@kade426
@kade426 5 лет назад
Spaced armor is for stopping shaped charges.
@huaahhggg9507
@huaahhggg9507 3 года назад
So the spaced shield on the space station aka a Whipple shield is for stopping shaped charges in space? Stop regurgitating unverified bogus facts to try and sound smart.
@kade426
@kade426 3 года назад
@@huaahhggg9507 the whipple shield is designed to stop hypervelocity mostly micro sized objects. They are grains of sand and the occasional small debris but not a stabilized object purpose built to penetrate. It's more like a phone scratch protector than all stopping super armor.
@KJRUSS0
@KJRUSS0 5 лет назад
Velocity beats armor, hence why the AR wins against steel. However, the extra mass of the 7.62x39mm makes it more effective against concrete, retaining more of its mass as it crushes its way through instead of shattering, which is why more people often associate the AK round with greater penetration.
@indyjons321
@indyjons321 5 лет назад
The International Space Station uses spaced armor. Edit: Pun not *originally* intended, but now is.
@skaardd
@skaardd 5 лет назад
Yeah but only because the velocities of the impacts the ISS takes is soooooo damned high that it allows for the usage of spaced armor due to vaporization I think. Like we are talking way way faster than a bullet.
@iSkude
@iSkude 5 лет назад
J o k e
@Bramon83
@Bramon83 5 лет назад
GOT HIM😅😆
@indyjons321
@indyjons321 5 лет назад
I just realized the irony of the ISS using "spaced armor." Lol
@Bramon83
@Bramon83 5 лет назад
@@indyjons321 I thought that was the joke lol.... Didn't know your were serious 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆💀💀💀💀💀
@sunflash304
@sunflash304 5 лет назад
Spaced armor is designed specially for heat (a simple google search will show this and I’m also USARMY Eod so I get extensive training in this) cage armor or rpg nets on modern vehicles crush the cone preventing the shape charge or jet from fully forming thus reducing the capability of penetration and even half an inch of air prevents a lot of power from them. the cones on heat rounds are made specifically for that round to do maximum damage any shorter the jet won’t fully form and longer it losses it’s power immensely
@mr.wrongthink.1325
@mr.wrongthink.1325 5 лет назад
Test it with more distance between.
@garryowen8673
@garryowen8673 5 лет назад
Just a heads up the amount of dead space is just as important as the type, and thickness of the armour. The space laminated armour on the old m3 Bradleys is 1/4-3/8 hardened steel then about 1and 1/2 ins of air space then several inches of aluminum armour. If the air gap isn't large enough it has very little effect.
@randelldarky3920
@randelldarky3920 5 лет назад
Laminating hard and softer steel is also a good way to neutralize a round
@CunderThunt87
@CunderThunt87 5 лет назад
Well the main thing the spaced armour is used for on vehicles like the panzer iv H is to defeat shaped charged muntitions ( things like rpg and panzerfaust) by activating the muntion creating the molten copper jet before it actually hit the hull armour, so it will penetrate the vehicles less or not at all.
@LoneWolfZ
@LoneWolfZ 5 лет назад
Those Wolf rounds are crap. Most decent AK rounds would go through that plate I would guess.
@jimmydavis550
@jimmydavis550 9 месяцев назад
You need a space of at least two and three quarters of an inch to give enough time for the projectile to tumble and or break up. The blades with the tungsten carbide tips have a lower brinell hardness but marginally heavier weight.
@CFABN267
@CFABN267 5 лет назад
Direct impingement, p mag adapter. *like
@SocialistDistancing
@SocialistDistancing 4 года назад
I would have liked to see the saw blades packed tight, and then do the ballistics test. From past tests I have learned that space between materials wasn't as affective against small arms. I've found that they fair better when packed tight. Having said that, and without reading the document that you had mentioned, we are looking at laminated armor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like you just rested the saw blade against the 3/8 steel. To me, I'd didn't look like there was a gap, as in the saw blades test.
@m1ckyg21
@m1ckyg21 5 лет назад
This isn't a very good test, you tested a 3/8" vs a different type of steel in saw blades. Should have used saw blades clamped vs spaced
@michaelanderson3096
@michaelanderson3096 Год назад
Place rubber between the spaced steel armour.
@MrMZaccone
@MrMZaccone 5 лет назад
"Brittle" steel usually means hardened steel and that's what you want to disperse the impact before capturing it in softer medium. Early "trauma plates" were often just hardened steel to break up the round so the lower mass, reduced velocity fragments could be captured in the soft aramid fiber armor behind.
@BlackWarhawkjfhraurg
@BlackWarhawkjfhraurg 5 лет назад
Spaced Armor was designed to counter hollow charge projectiles like HEAT when shoot by "Hard Ammo" the gaps between the plates are almost irrelevant.
@turbocat8329
@turbocat8329 5 лет назад
No, the original spaced armor on panzers was originally intended to provide additional protection needed to stop russian anti-tank rifles, although it was of course later found that it also was effective against heat rounds.
@tusk3260
@tusk3260 4 года назад
Can you do a top 10 tank armor? Example: Slope armor, depleted uranium armor, spaced armor, explosive armor, titanium armor and so on And what kind of 5.56mm and 7.62mm bullet tips did you have with both? Or what colour tip?
@tankerspam5884
@tankerspam5884 5 лет назад
Isn't the whole point of spaced armor (especially on MRAPs, maybe not so much here) to stop against HEAT/Shaped Charge projectiles?
@JimmyCrawford
@JimmyCrawford 5 лет назад
Yup, pretty much. It's there to trigger RPGs and the like. So you're fine unless someone had a 40mm bofors laying around!
@JohnDiabol
@JohnDiabol 5 лет назад
Well, the Germans in ww2 used spaced armor initially to defend against Soviet 14mm anti tank rifles firing regular AP bullets.
@kylejohnson9636
@kylejohnson9636 5 лет назад
The 7.62 is a heavier round and travels slower compared to the 5.56 that's why it didn't go through the thick steel plate
@Travis01
@Travis01 5 лет назад
I'm sure the use of cheap Wolf ammo compared to IMI ammo definitely makes the difference too.
@clewerhillroad
@clewerhillroad 5 лет назад
Cool experiment.! Battleships of old used to use what was called a thin "de-capping" plate of armour designed to distort and reduce the effectiveness of armour piercing shells before they penetrated through to the main armour layer.
@ambercelisium1546
@ambercelisium1546 5 лет назад
The saw blade is just ending up acting like the ceramic of your normal body armor on that last one. It's deforming the projectile as it goes through and it's shattering is just aiding in reducing the power overall before the backing catches it. Fun fact, ceramic can be better at stopping projectiles if sandwiched between two steel plates which is commonly found in actual tank armor.
@btlxguitars7606
@btlxguitars7606 5 лет назад
It's the larger cross sectional profile that's stopping the 7.62 from penetrating as well as the 5.56. With the narrower round, the energy is concentrated in a smaller space, so it's more likely to punch through. In the same way a nail with a sharp point will punch through a surface than a blunt metal rod will
@nairdacharles9492
@nairdacharles9492 5 лет назад
Simple as it was this was one of the most informative penetration demonstrations i've seen. Wish he'd thrown in some 9mm tests on the saw blades too.
@interman7715
@interman7715 5 лет назад
Nairda Charles 9 mil would be flat out scratching the paint.
@jackalmountain6523
@jackalmountain6523 5 лет назад
I tested it and a 9mm round would only out a good sized dent in one saw blade
@nairdacharles9492
@nairdacharles9492 5 лет назад
@@jackalmountain6523 Might stick a blade or two under my shirt next trip to Detroit.
@rodofiron100
@rodofiron100 5 лет назад
The spaced armor on German tanks was designed to make HEAT and shaped charge weapons detonate before hitting the main armor. It had little effect on non explosive rounds such as standard AP. It would stop a bazooka type round for instance. Bullets Being solid non explosive wouldn't be effected as much by spaced armor.
@Church449
@Church449 5 лет назад
Well, spaced armor, externally at least, was made to protect from shaped charge or HEAT style projectiles. It would detonate the round before co tact against the actual vehicle and lessen or nullify the effects of such shells or munitions.
@I_am_Diogenes
@I_am_Diogenes 5 лет назад
7:13 What is the flash near the target ? It is noticeably after the round strikes the target , I had to rewind to make sure I saw it .
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