Testing the exposure limits of Kodak Portra 160 film

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Another installment in the film exposure test series, this time with Kodak Portra 160 in 120 format. I was really curious about how flexible this film was compared to Portra 400, as I'm starting to shoot more of it for some personal work.
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@andrewapperley 3 года назад

I'd be interested in seeing the limits of Ilford Delta 3200

@victormacneil 3 года назад

yes please!

@nandecaetano3393 3 года назад

same

@O4KAST 3 года назад

@anonharingenamn 3 года назад

Yeees!

@MrAterianer 3 года назад

It would be interesting, yes. But since Ilford Delta 3200 is not a C41 or E6 film, there is no standard developming process for it. When I started using Delta 3200, I just developed it with Ilford ID-11, which is a very good all-round developer. However, the results with Delta 3200 were somewhat disappointing. Only after I switched to Microphen developer, Delta 3200 really started to shine for me. TL;DR: cool idea, but BW films heavily depend on development which makes an analysis more difficult.

@dmcphotographer 3 года назад

There's something so nice about how matter of fact your videos are. It's just really concise and easy to follow. Thanks for making quality content!

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Thanks for watching, Devin

@JamieMPhoto 3 года назад

Great stuff. I like Portra 160 more than 400, so this helps cement my hunches about it. Though 800 has been getting more interesting to me ... I'd like to second anyone calling for an ECN-2 film. Maybe 250D? Though maybe 500T vs Cinestill 800T might be functionally more useful for some and to see how much difference really exists because of the remjet.

@JesseSchroeder 3 года назад

If you're down to try ECN-2, would love to see an exposure limits test of Kodak's Vision3 series, 50D, 200T, 250D, and my personal favorite 500T.

@RewDowns 3 года назад

I second that 👍

@rolloffilm1996 3 года назад

👍👍👍

@RewDowns 3 года назад

If you don't want to invest in chems you can get true ECN-2 developed at Bellows Film Lab in Miami or Colorlab Corp. in Maryland

@sednasix6608 3 года назад

Agreed. Kyle really needs to test those Silbersalz stocks. Come on buddy. We need you to cover those!

@sednasix6608 3 года назад

@@RewDowns ooh thanks for that MD suggestion. That’s super close to me!

@Falcrist 2 месяца назад

I'd be interested in seeing a combination of under/over exposing and pushing/pulling. As in, pull the portra 160 by a stop (including overexposure) but ALSO overexpose it by another stop. So 2 stops of overexposure, and also different development time.

@voodoodownrecords 3 года назад

I'd also like to see how consumer grade films like Kodak Gold 200, 400 or Color Plus hold up compared to the professional films since I shoot these much more often!

@DasAnnihilator 3 года назад

Ilford Delta 3200 or Cinestill 800 would be really interesting! Also, it would be really useful if you put a little +1 or -1, etc on each picture to show how many stops over or under it was exposed. It would make following along a little easier, especially when you're flipping back and forth.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll do something like that in the future.

@VariTimo 3 года назад

Please do a CineStill 800T test with and without an 85 filter in daylight. Ideally you’d also make another row of test in a tungsten lit night scene. But daylight with and without the filter will give most people a very good picture of the film. I’ve been shooting it for over two years now (with an 85 filter in daylight, as you’re supposed to) and am absolutely loving the colors and contrast. The grain is a bit much on 35mm but I’m not blowing them up a lot, so it’s fine. Btw exposing it at Kodak’s original 500 ASA will give you the best results (that is 320 with an 85 filter in daylight on a non a TTL meter). And I think the lab scans give us a better reference point. Since most of the tests have been scanned on a lab scanner. Also please make sure that there is something to trigger halation with Portra 800 in the frame since it seems to be more susceptible to that than the other Portra films. And a tungsten lit night scene with Portra 800 would be really great because it’s by far the best low light film left. RIP Fuji Natura 1600.

@steve67-w9i 3 года назад

Please make one about cinestill 800t

@JohnTomasella 3 года назад

My vote is for Fomapan 100 to test.

@josephreidhead1639 3 года назад

I really want to see you do Lomochrome Purple.

@nolanlister194 3 года назад

What about some b&w films that fly just under the radar... Foma 100/200/400 & Bergger Pancro 400?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Thanks Nolan. I’ll keep em in mind.

@BeanzWarrior 3 года назад

Am i seriously the only one who thinks underexposure looks cool? That -4 shot with the grainy shadows looks beautiful to me.

@warwickwallace2699 3 года назад

Maybe a consumer grade film such as Superia or Gold would be a cool film to test?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Definitely.

@guilhermelucio 3 года назад

This video came out day late, hahahahaha. I searched for exactly this matter yesterday, I found a couple about Portra 400, so I just bought it instead. I'll give the Portra 160 a try next time

@MissMoffet19 3 года назад

Thanks for that Kyle. It'd be great to see a test in witch we can see how it would change the look of a film when over/underexposed but developed according to it i.e. 3 rolls one underexposed by 3 stops one normal and one over and developed them according to it so you would have to say to developer to keep it longer or shorter time in the developer. I have to do it myself too it would be interesting to see but unfortunately I have only 2 backs to my mamiya :/

@Vincent.Morreale 3 года назад

Who unlikes this ? I mean, why ? KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KYLE !!

@danielseale9636 3 года назад

Bots

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

😄 Thanks!

@liramarielandes7929 3 года назад

Why does "giving it more light" mean the ISO number goes down? Why is "One stop over" equivalent to the ISO number going down? A lower ISO means LESS sensitivity to light, so I am confused about this nomenclature. Wouldn't *less* sensitivity to light be equivalent to less light and so be "one stop down/under"? Forgive me, I am a beginner and it's not easy to wrap my head around the push/pull thing. Thanks :)

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Hey there, so, if you're changing your ISO so it's one stop lower, the camera is going to give you one stop more of exposure. Let's say that's via the shutter speed for this example. So, let's say you have ISO 400 film loaded, and you set your camera/meter to ISO 400, and you get a reading of 1/500s for your shutter speed as the correct exposure, well, if you now change the camera/meter to ISO 200, it's going to give you a shutter speed of 1/250s, instead of 1/500s, which will expose your ISO 400 film for longer, or give it an extra stop of light, hence 'one stop over'. Hope this helps.

@AlejandroMaagno Год назад

I wonder how this +1, +2, etc compares to pushing film. I think +1 would be similar to pulling film -1.

@AlexSmith-ln1tv 3 года назад

how about kodak ultramax 400 or gold 200?

@DevonWikstrom 3 года назад

I have a EOS 3 and shoot in aperture priority, to get the overexposed 1-2 stops look, would setting the iso to 100 or 50 accomplish this? Or set at box speed and set the exposure compensation at +1 and above?? I’m a newbie sorry if this is confusing.

@vikmanphotography7984 3 года назад

FP4 or Superia 400

@RichardStroffolino 3 года назад

Ilford Delta 3200!

@joebrown997 4 месяца назад

Hey, what boots are you wearing in the photograph?

@dan_s_higginson 3 года назад

Cinestill 800T 👋

@UglyCameras 3 года назад

Slide film next? Slower film always has less exposure latitude than faster film.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

I did Ektachrome already if you’re interested.

@UglyCameras 3 года назад

@@KyleMcDougall Nice! I should've checked the playlist!

@MrSkatebox09 3 года назад

cinestill800

@vlao 3 года назад

Lomography 800

@staticsequences7659 3 года назад

Look out hipsters, your secrets out on how you edit your portra for the pastels

@staaskirligitsis9577 3 года назад

Ektar 100

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Already did that one.

@jesusa.7064 3 года назад

It’s be interesting for a exposure test on Portra 800, seeing as one of the big draws to it is its underexposure latitude

@rolloffilm1996 3 года назад

Yes)

@UglyCameras 3 года назад

Portra 800 doesn’t have much latitude for underexposure, only one stop for pushing to 1600.

@gootyeriz 3 года назад

I have rated porta 800 at 400 and metered for the shadows and the results are great.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Coming up!

@7evive 3 года назад

@@gootyeriz and you dev at 800 or 400

@fpm1979 3 года назад

I suggest Fujicolor C200 for a future test.

@charliefm826 3 года назад

Would love to see a test of the infamous Velvia 50

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Noted.

@rolloffilm1996 3 года назад

It’s be interesting for a exposure test on Kodak vision 3 50d or 250D

@lukemntgmry 3 года назад

Do a cheap filmstock! Like colorplus or pro image or something

@ClaraPNAraujo 3 года назад

Ohh that would be so nice!

@josephomalley1526 3 года назад

Ask politely maybe . . .

@alberte58 3 года назад

Please test Silbersalz35 500T (repackaged Kodak vision 3 500T film)

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Been eyeballing that film!

@Zetaphotography 3 года назад

Id make a Vote for Eastman Double XX BW. Other suggestions of 800T (Vision 500T) film are all good but lets not all forget thats a $12 roll of film to just shoot for fun. Something like this is easy to tell or ask someone to go spend the money and time to shoot. Not sure why each photographer doesnt do this of each film to truely understand how film works. I will try this next season for my top 5 films and see what I like to shoot. I picked up Double XX of eBay for cheap. Currently on a nice batch of expired Reala 100 that looks amazing as day 1. Thank you for what you do.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Thank you. 🙏

@danielseale9636 3 года назад

Hey Kyle, what computer monitor is that you're using? I'm having trouble getting accurate colors even after calibration so looking for a better monitor.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

It’s a LG Ultrafine 5K. Absolutely love it.

@ChrottosNorway 3 года назад

In the right conditions Gold 200 can look great, but I'd be interested in exactly where its limits are.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Agreed. Gold can be a great film.

@kurocamera 3 года назад

what about testing consumer films? you've tested all professional / expensive films, it would be interesting to see how ultramax 400 / colorplus 200 / superia 400 differ from professional film stocks.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Noted!

@jontiffinphoto 3 года назад

Back in the day of film weddings, cir. 1993-2005-ish, as a 1st asst., my mentor, a Brooks graduate would rate Portra 160 at 100 and not pull processing, run 800 at 800, and 3200 as 3200 (only 12 frames from the balcony of the darkest churches).

@Flying4Film 3 года назад

Khalik Allah shoots Portra 160. He shoots it at night with available light which I'd imagine he's having to push it. The colors and contrast in his work is brilliant. You definitely should check out his work.

@KylerSteele 3 года назад

Im interested to see this test on a film that is also pushed or pulled. Think it could be interesting seeing which exposure looks the best in conjunction with changing its development time

@fabiocastellari7308 3 года назад

would love to watch a test of Cinestill 800T

@mikej243 3 года назад

You should tackle a budget film! kodak gold, colorplus or fuji c200, superia xtra to name some.

@FILMFRAT 3 года назад

Awesome tutorial! Really appreciate it! I make filmmaking related tutorials as well. Any support would mean alot! Thanks again

@standarduser7105 2 года назад

Rollei RPX 400 is a lovely B&W. It’s like Ilford Delta 400 but it’s different.

@murraykriner9425 3 года назад

Shows how forgiving most of our modern film is to more accurate metering in these pro-level cameras. Kinda hard to go wrong unless your shooting the higher speed films in near daylight conditions. Great video. Thanks.

@familygonzcartwright 3 года назад

I would want to see a exposure test of Kodak vision films. You can find it bulk loaded and it has nothing to do with Cinestill. It would be nice to know how it works because we all know the real stuff is better.

@luchinooliveros2469 3 года назад

I would love to see a latitude test comparing the film processed in C-41 vs ECN2 especially since there are now home ecn2 kits

@scoopold 3 года назад

I always end up watching these videos even though I'm getting on youtube for another reason. Thanks for posting them. I'd be interested in Fuji C200 for sure.

@jklphoto 3 года назад

As a pro medium-format film shooter for 20 years, I agree. No surprises. Important to note that your description of light meter technique may have eluded some viewers. With an incident meter, simply place the bulb facing toward the camera for 3-dimensional subjects, taking care not to block the light. The bulb averages both highlight and shadow side to yield an 18% reading. Might have been interesting if you had taken a reading in the shadow area. That's technically the correct place to meter for negative film. Have you done a video on Reflected vs. Incident metering technique?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Thanks. Your description is definitely a little more clear. And as mentioned, this was favoured towards the shadows. Haven’t done a video on the different types of metering, but I plan to.

@jklphoto 3 года назад

@@KyleMcDougall pro labs serving the portrait/wedding market used to backprint our proofs with numbers from their video analyzers. A trained operator adjusted for film density (which let us know if we were properly exposing our film) and their changes to each of the RGB channels before hitting the (optical) print command. Grossly overexposed film always had some color crossover as you see today. Today, if a commercial lab scans your film, they make those same decisions and deliver (usually) a JPEG. That file has some flexibility in-post, but nothing like rescanning or reprocessing a digital file. That's why I think of color negative film as the original RAW format.

@parkermillican 3 года назад

Lomochrome purple!

@randomgrenad346 3 года назад

We need this. Such a great film stock.

@skywithoutend 3 года назад

would definitely be interesting to see how variable iso stocks respond to over/underexposure!

@terrywyse 3 года назад

Very timely. I just completed my own exposure tests about a month ago using Ektar 100, Portra 400 and Portra 160. Across the board, all these films responded best at +2/3 to +1 stop. I had the model wear a black dress with folds and the shadow detail just popped at +1 stop.

@neilkothari6777 3 года назад

Cinestill 800T

@deltadave44 3 года назад

Lomography Metropolis...I'll even send you a roll to test with...

@nateeames6826 3 года назад

I'd love to see you test Ektar 100, Kodak Colorplus, Fujifilm C200, or more slide film options.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Did Ektar a while ago.

@JonnyRobbie 3 года назад

The fact that you see the same underexposure characteristic is because how ISO speed is calculated - from the 0.1 over fog+base which is deep shadows. So every film rated correctly will behave almost identical when it comes to underexposure by definition.

@_parkphoto 3 года назад

In your professional opinion... Do you think if I took Portra 160 and rated it on-camera at like 320 and had it pushed 2 stops in development - so like 640 - (since I do want to overexpose it by a stop but want some more sensitivity from it); do you think that would work well?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Sorry, Austin. Can't help you with this one. I don't push/pull film often, and have never tried to also do something like this with overexposure.

@chriscorey5164 3 года назад

How about some love for Ilford? FP4+, maybe?

@JTobiason 3 года назад

I forgot how much I liked Portra 160. This is a great reminder.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

It’s definitely a nice film.

@forrestgreene1139 3 года назад

There's something moody about -2.

@999Cisneros 3 года назад

This is great thanks. I would love to see a video comparing Kodak 800 and Fuji 800 both in 35mm and 120mm. Thanks

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Porta 800 is coming up.

@benelgar-white1174 3 года назад

Since you have a spot meter, on future videos could you use it so measure the difference between highlights and lowlights or at least a couple of reference points. A scene can easily have 10 stops of dynamic range within it so it seems crazy to not use the spot meter function when referring to highlights and lowlights in a known environment.

@csorgotom 3 года назад

Would love to see Kodak Colorplus 200 or Fuji C200

@geoffreycoonen5540 3 года назад

Exposure test of Adox CH100II or Silbersalz 500T would be so nice! :D

@TheLosingTeamXP 3 года назад

I’d love to see some blue hour/night time tests! Struggling to understand calculating reciprocity failure compensations so knowing what wiggle room I have would be very useful Maybe some ultramax 400?

@DogsandFilm 3 года назад

Maybe something with Adox HR-50 or 160

@photog1529 3 года назад

Would like to see an exposure test on Ilford XP2 Super if you get a chance...seems to work well in shadows.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Noted!

@drummersanonymous Год назад

I accidentally shot Portra 160 at 400 ISO and haven’t gotten it developed yet. Was wondering your opinions on pushing it a stop or two, or if it will matter much since it is already underexposed by 1.5 stops, and how much pushing it would help.

@danieljimenez1989 10 месяцев назад

Push it one stop

@lewisjones7732 3 года назад

Love these tests, helps me out a lot. If you could do a test with Fomapan 200 that would be great!

@rowanobrien4027 3 года назад

Kyle, I love these videos and I know that you shoot mainly medium format but I was wondering would you be able to exposure test a cheap 35mm film such as Kodak colour plus or Kodak gold

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

For sure. A lot of requests for those.

@maxrownes7914 3 года назад

I would love to see a video on Fuji’s c200 film, very difficult to expose for the shadows sometimes so it would be interesting to see if overexposing that film might yield better results.

@agylub 3 года назад

Max Rownes don’t expose for the shadows- expose for correct density of the diffuse highlight to achieve true tonality and light the shadows

@tonyzhu403 3 года назад

Classic Tri-X 400, please.

@cool2rule2 3 года назад

Provia 100F!

@justinhensen5266 3 года назад

Would love to see Tri-X or Delta 3200

@filipecostapt6427 3 года назад

Fomapan 100 (or 200/400) and C200 would be great

@pidgepagonis 3 года назад

please do acros 100?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Noted!

@Noltababy 3 года назад

If you shoot 160 at 100 to overexpose it, do you develop it differently?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Nope, develop as is.

@edscannell1019 3 года назад

Hi Kyle....great work as usual. You say you typically shoot portra 160 at 100 iso so just curious do you tell the lab you’ve overexposed the film?

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Hey Ed, nope. No need. Just process as normal.

@edscannell1019 3 года назад

Kyle McDougall thanks so much Kyle...I’m never sure weather or not to mention it. Keep up the great work...I’ve learned so much 🙏

@practicalimagination0909 3 года назад

Expired film exposure tests.

@camerachica73 3 года назад

I love Portra 160! My favourite time to shoot it is a sunny late afternoon/evening and I normally rate it at either 100 or 125. The colours are beautiful.

@jenserwig1707 3 года назад

I am starting to like 160 better than 400!

@georgebirddrums 3 года назад

Nice! Very interesting. One stop over looks great. Would be nice to see something outside of Fuji/Kodak/Ilford maybe something from Adox/rolei/foma. Although the obvious choice might be a 100 speed BnW like Acros or tmax.... Provia? That really didn't narrow it down did it 🤦‍♂️

@nelsono4315 11 месяцев назад

back in the day Kodak VPS 160 was my go-to film for portraits. I exposed it at E.I. 80 and got excellent results. I'm getting back into film and was wondering if I could shoot Portra 160 at 160 or 80. Looks like 100 is a safe bet. Thanks for the video.

@pabloemiliohernandezsada2210 3 года назад

cinestill 800t would be great

@MarcEstrella 8 месяцев назад

Hey you mentioned in this video that you usually shoot Portra 160 at 100 which I do with 400 and 800. I rate it a little lower so that I over expose. But, with pushing film do you shoot 160 at 320 or 400 then push it when developing? to my understanding, Pushing is shooting for example 400 at 800 then telling my lab push 1 stop or 2 stops if I shot it at 1600, correct?

@godscola 3 года назад

Lomography 800 please! It's my favourite film stock in 120!

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

I do have some here in 35.

@godscola 3 года назад

@@KyleMcDougall I've heard that Lomo 800 in 35mm is different to Lomo 800 in 120, that would be another great test comparison!

@LuisMartinez-fr6kd 3 года назад

Please shoot Provia 100! It’s such a popular and affordable slide film, would be interesting to actually see where it’s limits lie in terms of blowing out highlights and crushing darks/shadows. It’s also marketed as a slightly more versatile slide film, wondering how much that really holds up.

@KyleMcDougall 3 года назад

Noted!

@DecentGatsby 3 года назад

*Street Candy ATM400*

@calebjergens 3 года назад

Thanks so much! Love these tests. Cinestill 800

@andrelambert_ 3 года назад

do Kodak Pro Image 100

@clarhettcoalfield3616 3 года назад

Rollei Ortho 25 plus B/W Film would be interesting. Thanks as always Kyle. Cheers.

@mkshffr4936 Год назад

Ilford Ortho 80. 😇

@AlvesDarlann 2 года назад

I’m a beginner in film, when he says 1 to 4 stops over does it mean the iso setting? Like 160 normal, 320 1 over, 640 2 stops..?

@mattiashaggstrom2049 3 года назад

Ilford XP2 Super is an interesting film which Ilford can be shot at 50 to 800 ASA with the same development time.

@y34r 3 года назад

kinda like under-1 looks, Did the same with portra400 and loved the result. Portra line might seem like a cliche but it really is very versatile filmstock!