Testing the New Empire Specific Tank Weapons | Planetside 2 Gameplay 

To be honest, me neither.

Anyone knows when will these weapons come online?

well im glad that they do finaly some good stuff for NC but i think they will nerf that gun sadly because all will cry. and its good that vs have such a shit weapon because they are op and on Cobalt they mostly team up whit NSO units so it is kinda op. So im glad that tr and nc have in vehicles the upperhand

​@@MangaSuchtixD *sad VS noises*

and that they suck and are useless as normal the ones TR gets. which i totally expected and happened.

Yep, if an experienced group of players get in those and know where the top hardpoints are, and if it can actually pen bastions like a colossus then this will make bastions very risky to pull in prime time. Which honestly isn't a very bad thing, it will be far more effective vs a defended bastion then an airball.

hunt the bastions with 10x nso lightning or chimera.....i see that already

@@LSF_Shan heh...my money is on the guy who just needs to left-click on the map.

Noting it won't have Bastion Hardpoint HUD indicators, it'll be very much down to "feeling out" where to hit. But certainly possible.

@@CAMIKAZE78 At least you won't have the problem of the colossus dying from heat damage like my laptop

The original Starsiege: Tribes shooter game solved this nicely. You had heavies with ballistic arc mortars, and scouts with laser designators. When they lit a target, anyone on their team wielding a mortar would see an aim point in the sky that would place the round on target. It forced teamwork and allowed long range supporting fire to be a thing. In later versions of the game it was replaced with a deployable targeting beacon that served the same function.

Or they could do what Battlefield 4 did with their rocked artillery vehicles. When you enter them, you drive around and position the vehicle, then switch to gunner seat and you look at a satellite view of the area in front of the vehicle with a crosshair that expands the as you shoot. The faster you shoot, the further the spread. And after the rocket hits the ground, you see an explosion indicator. As for how the game did laser designators, if a scout painted a target, anyone with any missile capable of locking on, regardless of if it was meant for anti air or anti tank, would be able to lock onto the target, even if they didn't have line of sight. They could then shoot the missile and the missile would track the target and hit it. I feel like PS2 could use both artillery and laser designators.

perhaps that could mean the few people who do use spotters become powerful

I do wish you could toggle between aiming directly and aiming by setting an elevation angle/range

this is exactly how magrider does not work and will lose every engage (you can only win with peek and shot strategy). Magrider dont have any close range figt potential.

@@georgestain2803 It does. I have the extra sideways boost and recharge. I dodge shots, even close range. But not ideal, I agree.

ahahhah I constantly see a lot of prowlers and vanguards and very few magriders. because the magrider is the best tank ... the tank is shit and this is a fact. its advantages are completely offset by the disadvantages. most players are not able to use it normally. the tank is normal only in the hands of a good player, but in such hands any tank is good. magrider is the weakest tank on the battlefield in most combat situations, alas. therefore, the vanu faction does not use magriders much, preferring lightning and harassing. this is the reality

@@ivannegrozni7692 VS are the best players. So that solves it.

@@rareraven Well, yes, I agree that VS has a lot of good players, but the technique is weak.

I'm honestly happy to have left this dying game. I truly wanted to give the devs benefit of the doubt regarding VS balance, but after seeing the Slicer and this sorry-ass cannon, I am sure nothing will change for the better in that regard. Sad, because PS2 deserves better than those current devs can offer.

I love how phrase 'getting the short end of the stick again' is illustrated by a clip of Magrider doing stuff @0:23

Yeah, we’re used to getting the short end of every stick by now.

@@missk1697 funny how people using mag always complain that their shots don’t go far.

good

it needs to be about 3x bigger.

YES

I'm not sure if having a 2.5 second reload infantry OHK tank gun with a huge crescent wave hitbox is a good idea. The Kingsnake can't reliably hit infantry at all, the JDX12 is like trying to lob a basketball at infantry, and the Larion needs two direct hits. Those three are clearly designed for an anti-vehicle role, so having the VS one be designed for an anti-infantry role would leave the VS without its own specialised AV option and increase its infantry farming potential at the same time, which is a double negative. I like the idea of "if more of the crescent wave hits the vehicle, it deals more damage", so long as it can no longer OHK infantry with a 2.5 second reload tankgun. Perhaps make it so that only the "direct damage" portion increases depending on how much the crescent wave hits the target? And then reduce the indirect damage accordingly so the weapon can't OHK infantry.

@@AvalancheZ250 i dont understand where this idea comes from that a tank shouldnt be able to easily kill infantry. i mean ffs, if ur getting farmed thats your own fault, not the tank. for years and years ive played games with combined arms and a lot of those tanks/vehicles would shred anything we have in planetside and things where fine. in the current game we have an over abundance of anti tank weapons. brainless lock-ons, jihad c4 players, anti tank maxes, land mines, anti material rifles(which were added to fight maxes, not vehicles), all of the air to ground weapons. but at the end of the day this new vs weapon will probably be weak against other mbts just like hesh is. which means you will get wrecked against an ap kitted tank(assuming they arent bad tankers of course). the magrider is not all that good to begin with. the new chimera ability/main gun will probably push the magrider to being the weaker out of the mbts.

@@thejunkmanlives chimera got +500 hp already, this tank will end up as overbuffed, but will never be nerfed, cos its not VS.

time showed us that alpha dmg and hard hitting guns are best thing you can get in planetside. NC get that yet again...

@@georgestain2803 you are comparing a 50 bmg subsonic bolt action against a minigun. TR got the biggest stick right now in tank vs tank. This new artillery gun has the shitties muzzle velocity and largest ark, good luck hitting anything non stationary further than point blank.

The NC one would be better if the devs added some kind of artillery sight to make the “artillery” part work better.

@@Cooldude-ko7ps A Light-assault laser spotting "Tool" would be even better though for actual Squads (y'know... the people who DON'T spend all day soloing)

NC cannon, just like the anti-damage bubble that is now used offensively rather than defensively, will quickly find it's niche carved by users, not intended by devs. And by niche I mean "short range burst weapon with DPS of an immobilzed Prowler but mounted on a moving platform with much higher effective HP".

So far i think slicer, lancer, and vortex are the closest in that regard

In the original game the Vanu mech (BFR) had a continuous beam laser as an option for one of its anti infantry weapons; it was not very effective but quite fun to use. A similar weapon could work on the magrider but could be hard to balance as it would be either too weak or too strong against groups. It would either need to be a burning effect or chip damage where the benefit is derived from hitting multiple enemy soldiers each firing cycle.

Honestly, I think it would be cool to have a laser beam style weapon for VS. I'm not a fan of VS weaponry, but even I have to admit the visuals of that, especially at night, would be awesome. Granted, after a few weeks/months of it it would probably get annoying real fast to be on the receiving end of just blue/purple streams of light blinding you...

VS can already climb in top of hill, containers and cliffs, why make it anymore broken.

i think giving it a fuck all damage weapons that just go BRRRRTTTT, like a vulcan laser cannon for the niche mowing down of infantry

As an NC Player only, ill support your idea of a railgun for the vanguard, some time ago the devs published an secondary for the vanguard, but am think than that guy wrel scrapped the the new secondaries, don't know what the devs are in their ideas but sadly the vanguard offensive power as been reduced, and need to be balanced again.

No because then it would be broken

@@braixendon5496 broken in meaning of balance or broken in meaning of engine mechanics? techically its possible, the main question is a power of punch, this can be sorted out. at this time seems we have only 2 choices: boring poor weapon or broken broken. the easyest way is just make dps higher but then it will be just another clone of usual gun with unnecessary gimmick.

@@noble_lemon imo, if it has a concussion effect that can affect vehicles as well as infantry it would be a bit too powerful. I think so at least

@@braixendon5496 i mean the impulse like from impulse grenades or when orbital link explodes.

@@noble_lemon oh shit yeah i meant to say impulse not concussion, forgor 💀 the word there… But yes, imo impulse explosions as a main gun is kinda scary

I wanna see the TR Prowler memes of barrels in all directions

-Happy NSO noises

It doesn't matter if it has slow reload nor it's about Velocity NC has best flank Long range sunderer destroyer all that matters And for VS they should have given some sort of Enforcer ML85 Cannon that would have been cool good for killing infantry or aircraft 🤷 similar of some sorts

I agree, TR with and so the best such got a weapon of mass annihilation, NC has a strong gun, but it is useless at a distance of more than 80 meters, due to the fact that NC tanks are slow, and the gun shoots not far and slowly it's just garbage, NSO got a sniper rifle and now they will camp, and everyone and so the campers from TR were infuriating, and they just spat in vanu, it feels like none of those who did this update ever played for a tank

@@sansgaster4877 They don't, none of the devs are armour players and the team is led by Wrel, a LA main. After using all these new guns in combat, the VS's gun is a joke, long reload plus charge means you will lose any straight up fight often before you've even got a second volley off, NC gun has massive drop off but once learned, is very powerful, Prowler is now broken beyond repair, Kingsnake plus Gatekeeper can essentially one tap other MBT's and the NSO gun is actually pretty good but it really encourages sitting miles away from the enemy and sniping, a couple of Chimeras with this gun can wreck enemy armour at 1000 meters, still though, it's on a Chimera, easily the worst MBT in the game.

Vote with your wallet and kneecap daybreak's income. Maybe THAT will actually teach them to respect the ENTIRETY of playerbase, not just one or two factions.

dont forget the tank that floats on water at its normal speed (also allowing it to fire while traversing water) and can also scale mountains and some buildings in order to better fire upon infantry. I know that there's always gonna be bitching about "this faction OP" in a 3-way asymmetricly-balanced shooter, but VS really takes the cake. Have you considered switching factions to a faction that has a trait you DO like? Because there's two other factions, and there's plenty of VS players who like their traits, myself included.

@@avaliantsoul5408 Floating on water is a downside. You can't take cover underwater on Oshur

@@mathiasvernet763 you cant take cover underwater either if the pilot shooting you has half a brain. except underwater, you cant shoot back. plus, you move slower underwater. and are susceptible to C4 should infantry drop on top of you. Sundies cant sink, so TR & NC armor columns are split above and below, leaving the sundies on their own while their accompanying MBTs and Lightnings are stuck below, unable to engage attackers.

No bullet drop is a huge w for the Maggy, going to make for some interesting trickshots.

You sure? Because that reload-speed means 3 shots fired for every 2? Except kingsnakes meme-tier dakka.

@@HateMachinist it’s an undeniable improvement in DPS over their other options which is definitely great, but the ‘piercing infantry’ gimmick seems overdone and makes no sense on an AV. toss that in with its sub-par velocity and i can’t imagine this thing fitting in without denial and effort. it might serve better as a HESH though, with the 1HKO against infantry. it’s hardly a bad weapon but it’s a joke compared to these other new cannons.

@@NormanNormalman yeah it does look like it needs a buff i agree. But maggies win by controlling the engagement, flanking and terrain-abuse. So adding a no-drop weapon with fast reload like that, which can also farm infantry? We might get surprised by that one.

@@HateMachinist Yeah. i’m hoping it works way better in live than it does on test, maybe they’ll have mercy on that… way too harsh velocity penalty. i think either way, even if it’s not better than the FPC i foresee this thing farming the hell out of sunderers and big fights. i just wish VS didn’t suffer so much for their extra gimmicks. this thing is my favorite of the bunch but it’s a sidegrade at best right now.

At least NC got a mediocre one like VS this time instead of getting the best deal again

NSO is also taking over the VS’ thing. I mean, now NSO has no-bullet drop weapons, which is literally the faction-specific trait for VS.

Interesting to know there's some effectiveness against a Bastion with this thing, cheers for the heads up mate!

What is that? You want more darkstar nerfs? We got you pal.

*Sad Vanu noises*

Gets a nerf finally and complains for months...relax. The VS guns are still op

I see this phenomenon in every playerbase. Players get used to OP weapons without any care in the world, and when the said weapons get nerfed fair and square, they suddenly have to use more skill, which is below their inflated standard, thus leading to complaining. Also, Beetlejuice was BUFFED, and then the following nerf did NOT revert the buff.

@@BattlebornReapers Majority of VS arsenal were and still are trash compared to other factions. Faction specific sniper, basilisk, anti material and others...they're trash nobody uses. Consistently lowest faction pop even before arsenal update

Vanu main. I love the magrider and I am an absolute surgeon with those cannons, but this thing... man.. Imma snipe me some fukkers, believe you me.

Curious, does Havoc work against PBs? If so, did the NSO weapon just become the PB killer?

@@greyed I'm having a brainfart right now what's a PB again? Player base?

So, NCs now can bombard PBs over a ridgeline? :D

@@greyed I mean, this is what this weapons sounds like it could do, but in practice I doubt it will be that effective at any indirect fire application. The Artillery on the Flash almost never gets used, and when it does, its in direct fire mode, rarely as indirect fire. I suspect the same for this new Vanguard weapon.

Oe YES

Or expands over the course of its lifetime. Make it into a wave weapon with pinpoint damage close and spread out damage the futher it goes

Please no, chargeup felt so bad on it when it was still the top gun concept. Magrider pilots have enough to worry about, fuck charging up too.

@@verdtre4573 good point. Maybe we can decrease that reload time, I'd be fine with it as is. I can snipe infantry with this.

just add a tool for infiltrators to paint targets and let the guns aim themselves

@@happyjohn354 that laser guide from bf3?

@@noble_lemon Yup

Yeah, the NSO needs to coordinate fire, but with 350 m/s hitting twice won't be too hard? VS wins on raw DPS though, because the reload seems pretty brutal.

That's because VS infantry is so good use that to your advantage. I recently started playing VC and its like night and day how good the infantry weapons are. Many have fire rate higher than the TR while having higher damage per shot as well plus no bullet drop? Jesus Christ I thought I was playing COD for a second.

oh boohoo the spandex wearing ''what is recoil and bullet drop'' faction gets shit vehicles. it's not like your infantry dominate or anything like that right ? You guys play the infantry game in easy mode stop complaining about getting fuck all in vehicles.

@@herocommand Hell there ESF is OP as all fuck

Feels like it has one use on the maggie and this is it. Sitting on a hill, killing deployed sunderers. Sad part is that that can also be done with the standard AP, i mean, the sundy isnt moving.

@@ChopSueyyy increased efficiency from slicing through the engineers and other spawns.

Same

Buy more bundles

@@incoherentpanda4925 I got most of them already, I'm talking about new content to bring players back

I wholeheartedly agree

@@animeloverdom6105 LORD WREL DEMANDS IT

I am so disappointed with what they are doing to VS...

Even I'm still playing this game right now, I have to admit their balancing crew is brain dead, last time was NC's AA gun, and this time is another completely unbalanced design (btw I have to say I HATE Newton as well, completely brain dead design compare with other araux guns in the game)

As another fellow VS 'main' I 100% agree with you though I have not exactly left the game entirely, I take breaks every now and then... but I have more or less left the VS faction entirely and play NSO with a sprinkle of TR/NC. Long before I gave up on VS, years even, I had already given up on the Magrider so its not really a surprise to me how utterly shafted it got with these new weapons either. Though it is a little surprising just in a "How can they be this stupid?" kind of way even if it was expected that VS would once again be the worst vehicle faction in the game just as it was expected that NC would get a powerful gun that inevitably loses to braindead TR supremacy.

Yup the speed plus no projectile drop just feels like hitscan at a certain point

Agree

Use it to farm infantry its better than HESH.

Granted. I love my lightning, but the only one of the batch I think I'd take is the TR. To me the lightning is the edge of the fight, stick and move, sundie spawn hunter. The NC version feels like it is for a much slower form of play, a Vanguard style of ply. VS doesn't really mesh with that since the DPS is too low. And NSO might work, but again, DPS suffers. It takes a lot to dethrone the C75 for that role. C75 - 333 dps JGX11 - 187 dps L2-100 - 400 dps LPPC - 222 dps L-VXC - 240 dps And just to complete the anti-vehicle comparison. L100 AP - 233 dps L100 HEAT - 230 dps Like Cami said, the L2-100 meshes the best with the Lightning chassis. The other 3 guns are at odds with the Lightning. Not saying they're bad, or don't have some use, but as a general case for faction specific flair, they don't beat the stock options.

I'm just gonna say: flying/hover tanks.

@@Sebastianooooooooo cope

Its 350 damage EACH so thats 1400 dmg per volley, but it has a long reload time with the chance of missing/hitting terrain on a barrel or two which significantly reduces its dps Luckily it is a very good cannon so im not complaining

The projectile needs to hit armor or ground to inflict splash dmg. It does not directly OHK infantry. It would be very nice if the devs added splash every infantry it goes through so it oneshots.

i wanted a AC main cannon like the trawler upscaled.

As a warpig myself i already know that is boutta happen

Oh ya how's PaleTiger doing nowadays? Haven't seen him in like a year.

I hope at this rate we will soon have mechs

hahahahah funny farting into space... the magrider is such a good tank that the vanu faction hardly uses it? or because the tank is shit? you all praise the magrider so much, but in reality, the tang is shit that almost always loses to all enemies. up the mountain and shoot from afar. because nothing else remains so weak this tank on the battlefield. just look at how many tanks of which faction are always on the battlefield and it becomes clear that the magrider is shit.

@@ivannegrozni7692 You need to "get gud" the Magrider is difficult starting out but once you learn it its easily one of the hardest to kill tanks in the game.

I would have though something like a lightning gun would be cool an anti infantry weapon that arcs between clustered infantry.

@@happyjohn354 magrider will still remain a difficult tank in the game, you just learn how to use it. but other tanks are still much easier to use. it still won’t become better than others. on a magrider tank, even in simple situations, you need to think about how to get around its shortcomings. as I wrote earlier, the magrider has strong advantages over others, but also the same strong disadvantages.

@@ivannegrozni7692 Its called having a high entry and skill celling ya its hard to get into it at first but once you master it you can do much better than the other tanks

In PS2 you get one guy for driving and main gun, second guy for top gun turret. NSO Chimera has extra seats, but since those guys can't repair and are exposed, it is not such a banger. (I like to sit on those seats for lazy launcher kills tho)

So i just hopped in the game after a while today and saw the weapons did drop at some point and i have to say I'm quite happy how they changed the Vanu weapon into a charge one. Even though there seems to be no dmg difference between shooting single three times or the charged tripple, at least not me testing in VR training against frontal Vanguard, the ability to hold the charge, unlike the Lancer, makes it an incredible synergy with the Magriders flank potential. On the downside to achieve the tripple burst you have an incredible long charge time so you better hit all three shots or rely on slower dps single shots and in both cases you got that medicore reload speed of 3.5 seconds. On that note i feel it's rather balanced because even if you have that incredible burst those gigantic plasma? blades are really easy to spot and after you reloaded you're either down to single shots or, if you decide to take that long range flank f.e, you disengage to charge again which obviously gives the opponent a somewhat good time to relocate, repair and/or fight back and to calm your mind, that burst does roughly the same as damage the Kingsnake, 25 dmg less without any modifiers. At anti infantry it excels against it's counterparts but i'm not sure overall, the blade shape gives it a very big horizontal hitbox which makes it easy to hit but even then i couldn't even oneshot an Infiltrator wit a head shot in VR training so in any case you'll need at least two shots to kill infantry with direct hits. Sure the three round magazine makes it less punishing but you have that 3.5 second reload, always, and if you shot two on infantry and forget to actively reload you're left with one shot which probably brings you happy vehicle noises from your next opponent. for the Kingsnake it's still: DAKKA. which is great which is nice, i somewhat wished they would have like bring it down to two two-time bursts, or at least an alternative fire mode, which would make it more versatile. I mean two cannons on each side - you know where I'm coming from. Aside from that it's really what you expect for TR, am happy with that. NC well DMG is great and that's what you get & love while having the only gun which indirect dmg applies on vehicles is interesting in itself but you have to know that to not ask yourself why the lightning variant has more direct dmg than the MBT one :D NS okay yes there is a higher dmg option there but dude ti be able to shot through an armor convoy and snipe down that low hp tank taking cover behind others is an Incredible ability so ye now i really like ALL of the new MBT weapons, thanks for having me

I hope they nerf the new TR cannon, because now if you turn on the prowler shield, then with the new cannon you will be able to destroy the vanguard, with the vanguard shield turned on,

@@sansgaster4877 thats what also ill thinl about that new barricade of the terran tank and that quad cannon would smack a vanguard with ease

@@taerkasten5090 Two Prowlers literally destroy lightning and a Vanu tank in 1 salvo, while NC tanks need to drive up to point-blank range and attack from behind, the new TR cannon allows you to destroy everything (including aerial vehicles) at extremely long distances