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As a woman, I feel we are often colder sleepers than men. I really liked the Paria pad and actually did a review on it, but don't feel its R-Value is really 4.7. I have since picked up a Nemo Tensor Alpine, and its R value of 4.8 is more spot on than whatever system Paria has (or hasn't, it seems) used. Appreciate you featuring Paria products, I agree they are solid budget choices and their customer service is great. My husband and daughter have the Thermodown 15 degree quilt, and they love them. Thanks for the research and comparisons.
Hi Sue! I think in general you are right about women sleeping a bit colder. I’m also a warm sleeper in general! I don’t have a lot to compare the Paria pad to, but I am hoping they do astm testing at some point so we have a direct comparison. The estimated r value may be a bit high, as you pointed out. I have heard good things about the Nemo tensor alpine! I also have the 15 degree quilt! Other than the coldest temps in winter, I think I’ll be using a quilt from now on! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to leave a comment! Truly appreciated!
Nice review. I’m a cold, cold sleeper, so I needed an insulated sleeping pad that will definitely keep me warm at night. I’m cheap, but I didn’t cut corners on my sleeping pad. I opted for the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm. It’s expensive, it’s rather noisy, but I’m old and decrepit. Also, I wear hearing aids, so when they’re out it can make all the noise imaginable and I won’t be bothered. But, thanks again for your review. I enjoyed it.
Thanks Tom! Ya, I’ve learned just how big a difference getting the right pad can make! A better sleep at night makes everything about the trip go more smoothly! I typically sleep warm, but I might be taking this Paria even in the summer because it isn’t much heavier than my summer pad! Thanks so much for watching!
I have the Paria XL and love it, I definitely don't think it is as noisy as other insulated pads and it has beld up to a lot of abuse, very happy with the cost for this gear! Nice review!
Yes! Another Paria fan! Seriously, this thing is AWESOME. When I was testing sleeping bags on it I had planned to check the temp every few hours, but slept for 6.5 hours straight without waking up. That has never happened to me on a sleeping pad before. So I am LOVING it! And definitely less noise than other pads like you said. Thanks so much for watching!
I use a regular summer pad (Klymit Static V), with a sheet of reflectex under it during the winter. Since R values are additive, I end up over 4.0, and I can confirm that it keeps me warm below freezing. Plus, it gives me some confidence that I won't freeze if my sleeping pad deflates during the night (BTDT). Combined weight is comparable to a winter pad, and I can go lighter in warm weather by leaving the reflectix at home.
This is a great way to do it! You may have noticed in some of the shots that I took a Z lite to put underneath the Apollo Air. Like you said, that adds to your overall R value and the additional weight isn't bad. I've never used the reflectix but have heard of others doing the same. That stuff probably weighs nothing, so worth it for the additional warmth! Thanks for watching!
I’ve had the paria pad for over a year now. I’ve slept on it for a total of 25-35 nights and it’s a great pad. Paria really knocked it out if the park and for such an incredible value
Thanks, Adam! I could not agree more! If I could only own one pad (which sounds like a terrible scenario, but we'll roll with it) it would be the Paria Recharge XL. SUPER comfortable, and warm enough to get me below freezing but still not super heavy. Seriously they crushed it! Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment!
The Paria XL recharge is back in stock! :) just got mine, very comfortable!! Thank you for the amazing videos!!! You convinced me to get this sleeping pad and their Thermo down sleeping bag
Thanks, Brittany! So glad it's back in stock! I'm not sure what the issue is that it goes out of stock occasionally. But always seems to come back! Paria makes great stuff and their customer service is even better! Thanks so much!
Great review ! I've had the Gear Doctors pad on my list for a while and just started looking into the Paria recharge XL when I saw your video. I am convinced that the paria would fit my needs much better. Outstanding review. Thanks for your time.
Thanks Brook! Ya, the Gear Doctors pad isn’t bad, but it will be collecting dust unless I have someone that needs to borrow it and I’m using my Paria. The size and insulation are big difference makers and the customer service amazing! Thanks so much for watching!
Ex-military here, used a bit of everything in the Service from sleeping in the buff in a steamy jungle to 2/3 cut down closed cell foam. Not anymore. Used Big Agnes Pads for 14 years now, few others too. Currently using a Big Agnes 20"x66" Petite for 3 Season and the 20"x72 heavier insulated model for winter. Looking at trying some Sea to Summit models soon.
I just ordered the Paria XL, and your video makes me believe i made a good decision. I'm really looking forward to take it out for my first winter overnight trip. Hope it will keep me warm, even sleeping in the open air. Nice video, likable personality, keep it up!!! Greetings from Germany :)
Thank you! I definitely think you made a good purchase! One of the most comfortable backpacking pads I’ve ever slept on! (And I’ve slept on a lot…). I have wanted to try sleeping in the open air. If you have a good bag I think you’ll be golden! Thanks for your kind words!
@@DoseofDirt I hope my bag does the trick. I'm using a SnugPak Elite 4, because, just like you, i like a good bang for my bug. Didn't want to spend the money on the highly advertised Carinthia Defense 4
@@z0di2k42 You'll have to let me know how it works! Ya, you can get good gear on a budget, just requires a little more research (and maybe some sacrifice in the weight department). Backpacking in Germany would be awesome! I've been over there, but just in the cities or driving between cities. But I remember the forests and hills--must be gorgeous in the backcountry!
@@DoseofDirt Yes, there are beautiful places here. Unfortunateley we only have about 3% wilderness in Germany, so it's very hard to find good spots. Most of the time you can not throw a stone, without it landing on a hiking or woodworking trail, lol
If I remember right, I think you mentioned those shots would have been helpful in a sleeping pad video I did almost 8 months ago! Thank you for that! I remembered the comment and made sure to include them! I think you're right, it definitely gives a nice reference instead of just numbers. Thanks for watching!
glad to hear i just bought the recharge double for me and my dog. I was packing two expeds that are for sure the best sleep you can get anywhere but at almost 4 lbs and the pack size of a vw ...Im getting to old to be carrying 35 lbs base. after i bought it i saw a bad review but it was from a outfitter so i blew it up and laid on it with my dog and it was comfortable but that been the extent of my test so far. we dont sleep in much under 15- 20 ° SO im hoping it'll be fine.for my first season with it im still going to take one of my expeds just in case as the last pad i bough failed on the very first nigh and thank god we had the exped with us.
"Pack size of a VW" 😂 I hear you though! My pack gets a whole lot heavier when I take the two dogs with me (50lb huskies). Smart of you to blow it up and lay on it before just taking it out. I think I mentioned in the video that my first Paria seemed to have an issue, but I messaged them and they sent me one the very next day. So far zero issues with this one and I used it a lot over the winter! It you want some additional warmth with not too much weight, I've heard a lot of people take some reflextix to put under the pad. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the double after you've had a chance to use it! Thanks so much for watching!
Thanks, Mike! I truly appreciate that! Ya, I've found there aren't enough good reviews of budget friendly options out there! but I'm cheap, hoping I can help others save some money and get good quality gear at the same time. Thanks so much for watching!
Sweet versus video Jeff! This is some great info for your followers for a budget winter pad! I don't do much camping below freezing and just bring my Nemo Tensor long/wide insulated for most of my other trips and it works out great. About 23 ozs, 3.5R value, SUPER comfortable and I got it at 25% off on REI so a total of about $135.
Ya, that Nemo Tensor is a popular choice! I think my brother has one, so was thinking about doing a comparison between the two. Always good to find a deal! Thanks for watching!
I have the Big Agnes and love it although just a bit more expensive but not outrageously more, also 4”, standard R value of 4.7 and because I’m a side sleeper I’m more comfortable with 25” wide, not too noisy. Had I discovered your channel earlier I might have gotten your favorite and save me some bucks, oh well, at least I do like the Big Agnes.
I own the Paria recharge XL as well and have taken it down to 25 degrees fahrenheit with a thermarest Qstar zero degree bag with NO issues! I just wish it was a few inches wider.
Dude this is a solid comparison and review. I laughed because I am the worst at mixing up letters when it comes to acronyms. haha I've had that Paria pad on my Amazon wishlist forever. I think the biggest thing for me in pads is width. As I know you have seen me talk about I love my Nemo Tensor, but man I wish I got the wide version. 20" is just not enough!
haha. Ya, for some reason I always struggle with the ATSM (even now I can't remember what the correct order is... 🤣). The width is a big deal. I would never go more narrow than 23. I wouldn't complain about an extra 2 inches on this Paria, but I've found that the width works well for me. I never feel like I'm falling off. 20" would definitely be too narrow for me, but I think I have a wider build (or maybe that's the holiday treats??). Thanks for watching, man!
I am planning on my first snow camping this year and concerned (only cause I haven't done it yet and new things are always a little scary). I am concerned I will be to cold! I have the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad R valve at 4.2 I think I need to get a liner to help add some heat. Great review
Hey Kathy! New things can be scary! But I'm betting you will love it! I know the XLite is a go to for a lot of people! Ya, a liner or even a closed cell foam pad underneath your Xlite would definitely help! Looking forward to hearing about your adventure on your channel! Thanks for watching!
Great video!!! I own both and used both in colder temperatures. I would agree with your findings about the lack of actual insulation in the gear doctor pad. I would estimate it at a 3.5-4 r value though. Keep the videos up
Thank you! Nice to know that we had the same experience so I know I'm not totally off my rocker! 😂 Ya, I think giving it an r value of 3.5-4 sounds fair. I'm tempted to cut it open to see what it looks like inside, but it's a good enough pad I hate to lose it! Appreciate the kind words! And thanks for watching!
@@LuisECP ya, I would put the durability of the Paria higher than the gear doctors. It feels more substantial. And for me the Paria is much more comfortable due to the length and width, as well as being more quiet.
@@DoseofDirt castle peak ca, it's across from Boreal ski resorts. Part of PCT. I got the Paria 0° bag and the xl pad and they are so much better then what I had!! I am so excited to sleep better this trip. Just hope for colder weather 🙏
@@jessicawilkins7139 That is awesome!! My son (age 9) and i just went out this weekend. I had a laugh because we both had a Paria Recharge XL, he had the Paria 0 degree bag, and I had the Paria 15 degree quilt. We were all Paria in that tent! It got chilly and we were nice and toasty! Hope the trip is awesome! (maybe you're back already!)
Therm-a-rest Trail Pro is what I've used and it is amazing, though the pack size appears to be a bit larger. But there are a bunch of other benefits like it's nice feel, quiet fabric, and that it is semi selfinflatable.
Thanks, Pedro! Can't tell you how much I appreciate your comment! If there's anything else you'd like to see on the channel, let me know! Planning to look at some budget tents and budget quilts, among a lot of other things, in the near future. Thanks so much for being a part of Dose of Dirt!
I own this pad, and also their 30 degree quilt. I had to add an aftermarket extra strap to the quilt, but it works like a champ now. Great review! But I think it's actually pronounced PahREEahh. Like Maria. At least, that's what the actual company told me : )
Yes! I just used this pad and their 15 degree quilt on a trip last weekend! Both worked perfect! Ya, I've since learned that I was pronouncing it wrong the whole time... 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ Hope they'll forgive me for it! 😆
I’m in the market for a winter sleeping pad.. considering the Nemo insulated wide or the Paria recharge insulated.. also considering the Paria short pad.. I use a Lounge Dr bolster in bed to keep my legs elevated as it helps reduce leg pain when I sleep.. the idea of elevating my legs a bit on my pack while I sleep and spending less $ for a pad as well as saving weight is enticing too My health & strength has been challenged for a decade due to tick diseases and indoor mold.. so my finances are challenged too. It’s tough for me to get lightweight gear due to cost but also there is just no way my body can handle the cheap and heavy gear either so I appreciate all your videos about true budget gear (rather than other folks talking about “budget gear” that costs $200 and above!
I use a NEMO Quasar 3D Insulated sleeping pad (regular wide, $170) for my winter camping with an R value of 3.3, but I live in Texas so it (usually) doesn't get too cold down here. It's almost as comfortable as sleeping on a mattress and I go camping quite often, so I think it was worth the price. I'd probably just add a foam pad underneath if I really needed some extra warmth, but so far I haven't found it to be necessary.
Hey Rachel! I have heard the Quasar is SUPER comfortable! Ya, the foam underneath is a good way to get some additional R value without buying an entirely new pad. Thank so much for watching!
Great comparison on the r values so important and the valves. I use the big Agness air core ultra insulated. I use the air pump sack. Yes good deal on these. 17 ounces is super light! Bloopers 🤣😂
Hey, for just an extra few ozs I use a rechargeable mini pump to blow up my Paria Recharge XL...doing this stops warm air and all the moisture from your lungs fouling the insulation! It's so small you won't even notice it and it works like crazy!
I’m going to have to look into the mini pump! I love these big thick pads but get a little light headed before I’m even done blowing them up with lung power. 🤣 but the pad is so dang comfortable it’s worth it!
@@DoseofDirt Doesn't weigh squat, takes up zip room, and increases the lifespan of your pad and your lungs...I have a Stiffour and my daughter has a Flextailgear...both under 30 bucks and well worth it... there are a bunch out there on Amazon!
I have some Big Agnes pads that are NOT well reviewed. They don't list R-Value at all and are just called "insulated". It does not work below 30 degrees! I also can't stand the sound. It's good to see a clear winner from a credible source!! I wish I could use bloopers. None of them are family friendly! 😀😀
Bummer the Big Agnes don't work below 30. No wonder your a hammock guy! I know I keep saying this, but I really need to try out the hammock thing. Maybe I'll be more motivated now that I live somewhere with trees... 😂 You should start a private channel for the bloopers. they would have to be hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
I use Exped Downmatts, I have 9 and a Dura 8. R value is 7.8. I live in Alaska, camp and backpack f=downt to -30F with no heat source. The pad was 249$ and it was money well spent, it doe not go flat or leak at all, its quiet.
Hey Mike! I have heard of those pads! R value of 7.8 is INCREDIBLE! It would be overkill for me in VA, but DANG it must be comfortable! Might have to check it out just for kicks!
Hey hey! Thanks, Jeff! (excellent name, btw...) I am actually BACK! I started uploading again this year. Sorry for ghosting the last 18 months or so. I'm stoked to be back!
I’m just like you, want decent specs but cheap. Doesn’t have to be the best of the best but enough positives to outweighs the negatives. I have the recharge xl and love it
Hey Ryan! That's awesome! Ya, I think if I could only have one pad, it would be the Recharge XL! Comfortable, great dimensions, and has some R value to take you into some colder temps! Glad to hear you also like you Recharge XL! Thanks for your comment!
@@DoseofDirt thanks for the great review and comparison! And yeah it really is a bang for your buck pad. Honestly, anything from Paria is top notch, customer service is excellent. Overall great. And yeah I think the pad can get you down to 20ish degrees at the lowest with a good bag/quilt and the right clothes
Great review! Thank you. Looking at both of these. Currently Klymit Insulated Luxe XL + a closed cell foam 3/4in. But not hauling that very far. (And Klymit revised down their R values with ASTM testing). Subbed! Also looking at Klymit insulated regular or light. I dig the Static V baffles.
Thanks Jess! I haven’t tried a Klymit yet but I really should! I’ve heard a lot of people say they dig the V baffles! Just wish they made them a little longer than 72” (same length as the Gear Doctors in this video). The Luxe XL looks super plush! Probably worth the weight for how well you would sleep! 😆 Thanks so much for watching and subbing!
That's awesome! I think you'll like it! I had my eye on it for a while until I finally pulled the trigger. I've decided that 4 inches thick is the sweet spot for me. And the R value has been awesome for my winter trips so far. Let me know what you think when you get it! Thanks so much for watching!
Jeff, I’ve been going blind going through specs, dimensions, reviews, etc., and this review has really helped relieve my eye strain! Can you tell me your physical specs, so I can get a better idea how I might fit on this pad? I’m 5’9”, 150 lbs, and a rotisserie chicken all night long. Trying to determine if a 23” width is going to work, or if I need to size up to a 25”. Thanks for all you reviews! Much appreciated!
Nice! Ya, I agree that you should always wait for a sale! If you paid full price then you paid too much! Expecially this time of year! Thanks for watching, Arnold! Hope it was an awesome trip this weekend! Could have been cold depending on where you are!
Just got an Apollo Air that my son used this weekend in the Great Smokey's. He stayed warm and slept well. I used my Klymit Insulated Static V. I stayed warm too, but thinking about getting another Apollo Air to replace the Klymit Insulated.
Hey Guy! I think I would like the Apollo Air more if I were a little shorter (or it was just a little longer). I've been surprised at how well it's done down to colder temps so I'm not suprised it has worked well for your son! And it is LIGHT! I'm half tempted to cut this one in half to see what is in there. I saw on their site that they are planning to get ASTM testing done sometime in the future. Will be interesting to see where it lands on the R value spectrum! The Klymit insulated is another one I was considering getting, but the dimensions and thickness of the Paria seemed on the money for me. If you haven't yet, you shoudl try a night on your son's Apollor Air before you get another. It might be perfect for you! And I am jealous you were in the Smokeys! That is on the shortlist for me now that I'm a lot closer (living in VA instead of UT). Hopefully next year I make it over there! Thanks for watching!
I bought a gear docs apolloair when it was first marketed on Amazon. It had hair oil stain on it so had it replaced. That one didn't even half pumped up when two seams loudly popped. With its weight, price and claimed 5.2 r-value I was hoping it was going to work but didn't. I bought a accordion closed cell foam mat with an r-value of 2.1 and a Mountain Designs pad with an r-value of 3.2 and in a cheap 0 degree teton sports leaf sleeping bag I was plenty warm recently in 25 degree southern Utah desert sand. Cheap setup that I don't have to baby in the cold. I'm not just cheap but penurious.
Sounds like Gear Doctors may have some consistency issues! So far mine has held up alright with dozens of uses, but sounds like you got a bad one, which is a bummer. They may replace it again, but who wants to have to get a new pad every few uses (and not be able to trust it). Sounds like you've got a solid setup now! The Teton Leef is a good budget 0 degree bag. I actually own one as well! If it's getting below freezing or weight is a concern, I'll take a different bag, but the Teton Leef is great! Thanks so much for watching!
@@DoseofDirt Of course you know I may have got a bad pad but hold one of those geardoctor apolloair pads up to sunlight and see if it has any insulation. If there's only some exotic coating other than air I'll be surprised. I saw that the valleys or sealed seams have nothing to insulate. I suspect it will have cold air will migrate up from below no matter if there's any other pad underneath. I neglected to include that I had a rechargeable hand warmer in that inside pocket as well as two pair of socks on and a down balaclava for my noggin. 25 degrees F. is pushing the comfort limit of the leef without added helps. My old 15 degree down Marmot Sawtooth is about the same temp range while only 1/2 pound lighter. I've decided to do the hot water nalgene inside of a dry bag for my feet in the huge footbox of the leef instead of buying an expensive lightweight down bag and use my 850 fill eddiebauer down sweater to compensate for what the bag lacks. Anyway to each his own way to try what will work. Good luck in the future and Happy Trails
@@loudowning3393 Ya, you're right about the insulation in the Gear Doctors. I definitely didn't mean to come across as saying "this is an amazing pad, so you must have just got a bad one!" The Apollo Air definitely has it's issues, and for $100 I would want better quality, real insulation (as you pointed out), a larger pad, and more consistency. So I think you made the right call going with something else. It's amazing what you can get to work for you without purchasing super expensive gear! I used a closed cell foam pad, a cheap 2 inch thick inflatable (Sleeping with r value of 2) and my 20 year old Slumberjack sleeping bag below freezing. Just wore my coat and beanie in the bag and had an extra layer on as well. No reason to let the lack of expensive gear keep you from enjoying the back country in the winter! Thanks so much for watching and sharing what has worked for you! The same piece of gear doesn't work for everyone, so I like hearing from others what has worked for them!
I also got the apolloair from amazon. The pumpsack was leaking air, wrote them a few months ago, that that arrived damaged, still no response. Haven't used the pad yet (only blown it up once to test) as it had gotten too cold for me. I bought it because the price to R-value ratio seemed really good, but I have gotten douts about that being accurate.
@@monamarples9264 Ya, it's hard to say without them doing the actual testing. I will say that based on my use this winter the 5.2 seems high. But combining it with my thermarest Z lite I took it down to mid-low 20F. I'm surprised they haven't responded yet. I would maybe try messaging them on Instagram. That's how I got in touch with them before. Frustrating when you try out a product and then can't get customer support!
I just came across a brand I haven't seen before that you may want to review. UST, they have a self inflating pad with an r-value of 6. Currently on sale for less then $100.
Stopped at the dimensions. Sleep is the most important part of backpacking. If you get a good rest on such a small pad, I’m jealous and happy for you. Just know that there are 30” pads that better suit stomach sleepers or those who toss a bit. Yes it’s a weight penalty, but a good rest is worth it.
Thank you! The dimensions are something that so many people don't think about! I have been thinking about picking up an even wider pad (25 inches). But I'm also cheap and can't find anything that is 4 inches thick and 25 inches wide for less than $150! But one of these days, maybe I'll shell out the money and get a wider pad! Thank you!
I tried the sea to summit either light xt extreme (r 6.2 I believe) good for me till about 10-15 F. I switched out to thermarest xtherm ntx (r 7.3) I had no problem with this pad at -17 F last week. Sea to summit is alot heavier but also alot more comfortable, but warm to weight ratio just isn't there... both these pads are 200 dollars though
Hey, pro review Jeff! But the real question is, who has that laser aim at the beginning of the video that hit your beard with the snowball. That was a good throw!
Hi Jeff. First off, your beard is great but looking scraggly. Get a trim. 🧔🏻💈✂ Secondly, my current winter sleeping pad is the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir® Camper Wavecore and it kicks butt! Honestly, I do have that pad. (the only sleeping pad I own and I've never winter camped with it.) It's got a R value of 2.5. What winter camping I've done, I've used an Outdoor Vitals Aeries 20° in a pod configuration with a 32° or colder sleeping bag in my hammock. I am contemplating trying a winter tarp camping trip. Will use my existing pad mentioned previously. Supplemented with a ground tarp, reflective emergency blanket, then the pad, then a wool blanket and either a sleeping bag or quilt for the appropriate temps. (I will be testing this set-up before any planned hike.) Now, I'll unpause and continue with your video.
Customer service is important. I've heard nothing but good things regarding Paria's customer service (and their warranties). My Therm-a-Rest pad is 25" wide and I feel that my arms are going to fall off when I sleep on my back. Not sure how I would feel on a narrower pad. As mentioned before, I am a hammock camper so worring about pad width is new to me. It doesn't help that I have broad shoulders. I am getting back into tent camping some so I have options for when hammock camping is not ideal. Before hammock camping I had about 10+ year break from camping and before that I car camped in a tent with a cot (30" wide) and before the cot, I had the old style laminated canvas type sleeping pads and I have no recollection of the width of those.
Ha! I appreciate it about the beard! 🤣 Sounds vaguely familiar... 🤣 Don't worry, I got a trim last week! Sounds like you should have a solid set up for your test. I'd love to hear how it goes. The wool blanket has to add some serious insulation that you just don't get from other materials. I'd really like to try some hammocking and/or tarp setup. Thus far I've been all tent, but I have to think a hammock would be super comfortable!
@@Doc_Watson I haven't slept on a 25 inch wide pad. I'm honestly a little afriad to try it for fear I won't be able to go back. So far the 23 inch wide pads have worked well for me. It's interesting because when I just lay on the pad I also feel like my arms are falling off, but in a sleeping bag or under a quilt, I've just never felt like that. And I think I spent most of the night on my side (but also some stretches on my back). a 30 inch wide cot sounds like a dream! Thanks so much for watching! I look forward to your comments!
@@DoseofDirt I think I did well with my choice of pad. Not the lightest or the cheapest. Name brand, on clearance was over 50% off and came with an electric mini air pump. 76x25x3, 2.5 R value and 39.9oz (pad, stuff sack, repair kit, & pump w/out batteries) 28.2 oz pad alone. This backpacking tenting stuff is new to me. I've only car camped tented in the past. I don't plan on going ultralight. I wanted a pad that was wide enough for me and thick enough that I could have it really soft. I do not like a firm mattress. (One of the reasons I love hammock camping.) The problem with the cot is that you are up off the ground and you need insulation under you. I use a thick blanket under the sleeping bag and then full the empty space under the cot with gear to minimize airflow under me. But that's car camping - a whole different animal.
@@Doc_Watson ya! Always wait for a sale especially on the name brand stuff! I agree with you on not going ultralight on the sleeping pad. Sleeping well is a big priority, so I’ll deal with and extra pound on my sleeping pad if it means a better sleep!
I bought the Apollo pad and ended up sending it back. I'm a short woman, but I felt like it was so narrow, I was going to roll off the pad. The recharge xl has been on backorder for a while, but hopefully it will be in stock soon so I can try that out.
If the Gear Doctors felt too narrow, you'll love the Recharge XL! Honestly one of my two favorites pads I own (and I own a lot...). For some reason it goes on backorder every few months. It happened when I was trying to order one and I sent them an email. They were able to tell me when they would be back in stock. Hope you're able to get your hands on one soon! Thanks for watching!
@@DoseofDirt I finally got the recharge xl! It's the best pad ever. Ended up cutting a foot of length off and resealing it with a hot iron and it's holding up great. There's a lot of insulation inside.
@@olympic-gradelurker you did WHAT?! That is awesome! I don't think I'd have the guts to do that with one of my pads! 😆 I've been wanting to cut one open just to look inside! That is awesome!
I have the Gear Doctor pad and a much more luxe Thermorest for more car camping. The Gear Doctor was hard, really hard, to sleep on and stay asleep so shopping for a new solution.
Great comparison! I've been researching and looking for a warmer sleep pad. I added these two pads to my watch list. The last two years, I've been using the trekology ul80. I like it, but need another pad for when it's colder out. Like you, I want good quality gear that doesn't cost a fortune. Have you heard of or tried lixada titanium pots? I have the 750ml and love it.
Hey Greg! The Paria is very similar to the trekology in size and thickness. If I could only have 1 pad, that's the one I would choose because it is like the trekology in a lot of ways, just warmer. I REALLY wish Trekology would just make an insulated version of UL80! I have not tried the lixada titanium pot. I have a toaks and then bought a budget brand (redcamp) to compare. They both seem the same to me! Another example of how you don't have spend a fortune to go light and enjoy the back country! Thanks so much for watching!
I have the Boundless Voyage titanium 750 ml pot, I like the handle that comes out and locks like the trusty Stanley that many of us have with the advantage this is titanium. The little inexpensive French press inside thingy you see in many systems works like a charm in it, Amazon sells it on by itself too. Love that pot.
@@DoseofDirt check it out in Amazon looks smaller than the trusty Stanley but holds more liquid, I’ve been using it even at home for over a year with no issues whatsoever. I think is like $34 now, still a great price. Boundless voyage and Basingo carry a lot of good quality titanium at very reasonable prices.
I hate paying more than $50 for any piece of gear but I've had poor success on cheap pads. I just ordered a Big Agnes pad for $104 so I hope it's a little better result. I was having to bring too much extra materials to compensate for the lack of insulation and comfort on the cheap pads.
I've just started researching these sleeping pads, and when i see the R-value, I'm wondering... Those big 4x8 pink foam insulation boards you can get at Home Depot for about $50 advertise R10 value... Is that the same R-value as these? So I could theoretically just get one of those and cut them into smaller pieces that will massively outperform any of those fancy sleeping pads that cost hundreds?🤔
Thanks, Alejo! I'm glad you found it helpful! Just took the Paria out again this weekend it it performed like a champ! Love that pad! Thanks for watching!
When you combine an inflatable pad with a close foam pad...does the R-value stack or is there something of a trade off? I (in my ignorance) assume that they would...so...since most over-night hikers bring some sort of foam pad (i've yet to see a hike-tuber do an overnight WITHOUT an additional foam pad) wouldn't that boost the overall R-value of your set up? Does something like a "footprint tarp" also reduce the grounds ability to sap heat...ultimately giving you another...I donno...fraction of an R-value?
I've read in a few different places that when adding a foam pad to the inflatable, the r values are additive (so the thermarest z lite would add something like 2 to the r value of the inflatable). I've tried it on a few trips, and it definitely works (and is more comfortable!). I just slept on the Paria down to 10F (-12C) this weekend. I was alright, but any colder and I would definitely want the Thermarest with me. Those things are just so light and so easy to strap to the outside, why not take it if the temps might dip? Makes sense why so many people carry them, like you said! I've heard of some people getting reflectix type stuff to put under their sleeping pad and that helps. something I've been meaning to try, but just haven't gotten around to it! Thanks for watching, man!
Great review! did you place the insulated foam mats under the sleeping pad for your test? Do you think the Gear Doctors would be fine at 25F right on the tent's floor?
Hey Francois! If I was taking the Gear Doctors out in 25F, I would probably take my thermarest Z light foam pad as well for the additional.R value. Part of that is because I always plan on 10 degrees colder than the forecast (so i would plan on it being 15F if the forecast is 25F). But if the forecast was 35F, I would be ok with just the Gear Doctors pad (no additional foam pad) knowing that if it got colder I could layer up a bit if needed. Thanks so much for watching!
Had to google translate this. Thanks for leaving a comment! I'm glad you found the comparison helpful! Thank you so much for watching! === Translation of original comment (according to google...): "Good comparison guys Thanks for the tips Very useful"
Did You stack the uninsulated one while testing it with a really good and insulating folding mat like it was in the video? That can explain how it held up.
Hey Arka! In some of the shots it may have shown a foam mat because I occasionally take one when it's going to be super cold, but for all the tests where I recorded temperature, etc., I did it with no foam pad. I just had some other footage from trips where I did use a foam pad underneath.
Beginner's question: if I'm on a budget and willing to create an year round system, can I get just one high R-value pad with a decent cold weather sleeping bag and for hotter days, just change the sleeping bag for a lightweight cheaper quilt?
Yes! If you're on a budget, definitely get a higher R-value pad and it should be fine year round. Might be a *little* warm in the summer months, but to me it's easy to shed heat by taking my quilt/bag off and just laying on the pad (even though it is high R value). One that is warmer than the Paria that I've been using recently is the Big Agnes Rapide SL. If you're willing to pay $50 more (it's $150) then this one is probably a bit warmer. But if you're not going below freezing and don't sleep cold, the Paria would probably be alright. I think you've got the right idea for a year-round system on a budget!
@@DoseofDirt I was looking at the rapide SL. I'm 6'1" (1.86m) so I think I'd need the longer one which is almost double the price of the paria. I'd be willing to pay, just not able 😅 I'll probably invest more in day hikes before buying a sleep system for camping. It is still too expensive for me right now. I'll also be looking at used gear. Maybe this way I can find something.
Thanks, Garry! One of my good buddies has an Exped and loves it! It looks like Big Agnes and Exped both have some great options! I'd love to get my hands on them and test them against the Paria. I've only tried a vertical baffling once and didn't love it (looks like all the BA and Exped pads are vertical baffling) but I want to give it another shot. Maybe next winter I can pick up a few of these and do another comparison! Also, their websites are both really helpful in finding the right pad you're looking for! Thanks so much for watching and for your comment!
Oooh, dang. I hate to hear stuff like that. I'm glad Paria took it back after you had a bad experience. Their customer service has always been excellent.
@@parfproductions1826 Of course! Thanks for watching! I've been thinking about doing a video where I cut open one of my Paria Recharge XL pads to see what's in there to support the R value they claim (which I think is optimistically high, btw). I just can't decide if I want to cut up $100 like that 😂 We'll see if I go through with it!
@DoseofDirt I believe it just has a thin layer of insulation adhered to the top. I hear you $100.00 is a lot to destroy. I'm waiting for REI to put their Helix sleeping pad on sale again. I missed it last year. Crazy price around $60 .
Curious if other brand pump sacks work on the Paria pad. Specifically a sea to summit pump sack. Anyone know the diameter/ fit of the recharge inflation valve
@@DoseofDirt wow that's awesome dude! I've been in contact with Paria customer service and they couldn't confirm the size unfortunately. I have the Thermodown Quilt and it's awesome! Love their product so wanting to test out the pad. Awesome content by the way. Steller reviews!
@@luiscastro2761 Just measured mine and it is about 0.75 inches. I tried fitting my pump sack from the Gear Doctors, but the nozzle on the Gear Doctors pump sack is too small. Wish I had some more pump sacks to try. On a whim I checked Paria's website and found that they have a pump bag for the Recharge. Here's a link (hopefully it works): www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/sleeping-pad-recharge-pump-bag?_pos=1&_sid=182ab88db&_ss=r It's $15, but if you already have a different pump sack hopefully that would work so you wouldn't have to buy another one!
In the market for my first air pad. I've never really been drawn to them as they look finicky and fragile. But everyone keeps telling me I should try. I'm coming from typical self inflating pads,
Ooh. I would be interested to know what you settle on. There are a lot of good pads out there! My favorites are 4 inches thick and at least 23 inches wide, and have to be 5-6 inches taller than me. For summer I like the Trekology ul80, but for colder months I like the Paria (yellow one in this video). Good luck in the search!
@@DoseofDirt honestly, I'm 👌 close to buying the RECHARGE XL. But, I'm in mew Zealand and shipping is a bit of killer. Also, have been looking at the Unigear Campfy P3. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how they compare. Also have seen almost NO negative reviews on the Paria exceptfor one, where he slammed it for being cold?, which makes me nervous that these are all shill videos, haha.
@@beezwaks I have heard others say they like the Unigear Campfy P3, but I haven't tried it personally. Interesting you saw a review slamming the Paria for being cold. Was it the Recharge XL model? For me personally it's been good, but I do sleep warm. You can definitely get pads with higher R value, but you have to pay double (which maybe you already are with the duties, etc. What a pain!). If sea-to-summit is easier to get for you, they have some great pads that are also 4 inches thick. I haven't tried them because they are more expensive, but I've been close to pruchasing one a few times!
@@DoseofDirt yeah it was. A quick search will find it he goes through a few budget options. My plan is to have a foil lined foam mat underneath it always coz I cant afford to pop it if im spending that much ( even as a budget option its alot for me). I plan to use inside a surplus gore tex bivy, with an old swiss surplus bag, under a Tarp. In cold wet rain forest of Aotearoa New Zealand. Occasionally it may get to -5 C. Will the XL keep up if I have a wool blanket too?
Hey Jeff, I noticed you haven't posted to RU-vid or Instagram in a while. Hope you're healthy and doing well. I enjoyed the content you've posted on RU-vid. Creating content all the time is exhausting. I understand and respect if you're stepping back from it. Anywho, hope you're doing well.
🤣 haha! Thanks Evan! I guess I like to think that cheap guys just do a ton of research to make sure they are actually getting value for the money. I think the Paria rivals some pads that cost twice as much, but the Zpacks triplex has no equal (in my mind). There are more expensive tents out there, but the Zpacks was the best value for the money for me. But we all approach our gear choices a little differently. Thanks for watching!
@@DoseofDirt yes. I find it funny you call it a 4 season pad lol up where I live in the Canadian rockies I need a r value above 6 to winter camp. But I have been looking into trying the recharge for a spare summer pad.
@@evanhammond7305 Ya, all depends on where you live! I can get away with R value less than 2 in the summer. If it's going to be cold, I add my therarest to the Paria to get R value over 6, but often the Paria is enough.
@@DoseofDirt yeh the difference here is the ground. It can be -7c in the fall I'm fine with a 4 r value but +5c In the spring need a r value of 6 because the ground is still frozen.
@@evanhammond7305 Ha, so you probably only get a few months use out of anything with an R value less than 3. So my late fall pad is the same as your summer pad! 🤣
Thanks, Coleman. All about what the priority is! I can see myself still occasoinatlly using the Gear Doctors if the goal is to go light. Hard to beat 17 oz at almost 4 inches thick. Thanks so much for watching!
I had both of these pads and would definitely NOT recommend either of them for winter camping. I've used these both at temperatures with a low of 3 degrees Celsius and I felt the cold through the ground on both nights!!! I've used my Sea to Summit comfort light insulated pad which has a lower 3.7 R-value (ASTM tested) at temperatures down to 1C and didn't feel the cold at all! My guess is that if they're ASTM tested then they would only be around 2 R-value. Absolutely misleading descriptions from the manufacturers of these pads... If you buy a sleeping pad then make sure that it's ASTM tested. Gear doctors make a pad with NO insulation and give it a 5.2 R-value rating!!! Give me a break! 🤦🏼♂️
Thanks for adding your thoughts! Ya, I think the 5.2 R value is definitely high. That is one of the reasons I prefer the Paria over the GD. I have used the Paria below freezing on several occasions and it has worked well, but everyone sleeps a little differently. If it's going to be too far below freezing, I add the Thermarest Z Lite for some additional R value. I do wish that all pads were ATSM tested. I think some companies (Paria included) try to give a best estimate, but others do seem to inflate the numbers which is annoying. Thanks so much for watching!
@@DoseofDirt I wasn't having a pop at you if it seemed that way but I wasn't, sorry for that. I was just p*ssed after spending my money on both these products to find out they are way off the mark! I got in touch with Paria after using it the first time and told them that I felt the cold through the pad at 2C and they advised me that I needed to use a foam mat underneath when it reaches that temperature as it's not meant for those temps!?!? 🤷🏼♂️ I live in the UK so too much of a faff to return to the US plus cost. I bought the geardoctors one after hearing lone wolf 902 rave about it's 5.2 R-value on his channel only to find out it has zero insulation in it! 🤦🏼♂️ It's the same with sleeping bags too! Companies can put whatever rating they want on them and its absolute bs!
@@GrizzlyGaz Hey! No worries at all! Definitely didn't feel like you were taking a swing at me! I honestly appreciate when people add their thoughts and opinions in the comments section, especially when they may have a different view point or experience than I do. I think it only makes it easier for people to make an informed decision, so truly appreciated! I do really wish all pads were astm tested. I think smaller companies struggle getting that done because of the cost, but I think a lot of companies making cheap pads just don't because then they can inflate the number (this makes me mad!). I'm actually going through this right now where a company sent me a pad they want me to review that they say is 'insulated' but so far I haven't been able to get specifics of what it is insulated with or how much insulation is there. It's also not astm rested. 🙄🙄 Have you found a cold weather pad that works for you yet? It's so hard to find one that isn't close to $200!
@@DoseofDirt no not yet pal. Saving up for a thermarest xtherm for this winter. But at the moment I'm using the sea to summit comfort light insulated coupled with one of those thin foam reflective pads like what you'd use on the windscreen of a car. That does the job down to -5C, it doesn't get much colder than that in the UK. But looking to lighten the load with an xtherm as the sea to summit large is just around 780g off the top of my head plus the foam pad which is not much tbh but it's also bulky taking two pads. I always take my dog with me too so I'm then carrying 3 pads in winter! 🥵
@@GrizzlyGaz Xtherm will be amazing! I'd love to pick up one of those. I'll have to eventually. Crazy how light it is with such a high R value! I hear you on the dogs! I sometimes take my two huskies. Thankfully they stay pretty warm, so i just bring a thermrest z lite I cut in half, but it is a lot of bulk!
