Teutoburg Forest 9 AD - Roman-Germanic Wars DOCUMENTARY 

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Great video as always, but I have a quick question: You estimate the figure to be 30,000 Romans with Varus yet there were only 3 Legions which would normally be approximately 15,000. How were those Legions made up? Also FYI you placed Tiberius in Crete and not Rhodes.

What is the logic(explanation) behind the name Armenius?

The man who dares steal these eagle standards shall loose his head.

they only retrieve 2 i think it was

Cheerful Pessimist LOL

So true😂

+1 Cunning

A SHARP and STABBING plan *Varus kills himself*

He was planning to sue them into poverty.

Pretty much!

@ParadoxInteractivePlay prote-old german i belive

Pre-Proto-Germanic and Proto-Germanic had evolved into the West Germanic, East Germanic and North Germanic Dialects by the Common Era. The Cherusci, were West Germanic and Ingvaeonic(Old Saxon/Low German, Old Frisian/Frisian Languages, Old English/English); ultimately forming into one of the contingents of the Saxon People(s), by 300 AD. They are lost to History after that. Cherusci, could come from either/or or both Ancient Germanic roots of *Herut(Hart/Modern English: Deer) and *Heru(Old English: Heoru/Modern English: Sword).

Usually, I hate to waste food for some random trolls, but, oh boy, I had a good laugh! Whatever you'd try to prove: In 9 AD the language the Cherusci spoke was a Germanic one (Pliny actually connected them with the Erminonic group), although it's considered Proto-Germanic, we may already assume slowly diverged dialectal forms (see Ingvaeones, Istvaeones, Erminones) or at least first traces of an early West Germanic. *Segimêriz (Segimerius), *Ingwamêriz (Inguiomerus), *Harjamêriz (Chariomerus) still show the Proto-Germanic ê, three centuries later *Hnôdomâri / *Wadomâri / *Suomâri, *Swâmâri? (Chnodomarius 357, Vadomarius 361, Suomarius 4th century), thus the process of the West Germanic lowering of ê to â might have appeared between the first and fourth century. Old High German is a term introduced in the 19th century, it describes a dialectal continuum which took part in the second sound shift (6th to 8th century) and obviously separated from the Old Low German continuum (Old Saxon, Old Low Frankish), within itself O.H.G never was a singular language, but still people mistake it, comparing it to the late standardized Modern German language (Dachsprache). O.H.G as well as Middle High German and in fact New High German have always been collective terms. The O.H.G period stretched roughly from the 7th/8th to the 11th century. (The 2. sound shift might have started in the 6th century, there's not much evidence though. Butilinius (*Butilîn) an Alamannic duke in the mid 6th century, in other sources the same name appears as Buccelenus (*Buzzilîn), which clearly indicates the second sound shift. It's considerable, that you'll bring up the so called Nordwestblock hypothesis by Hans Kuhn, who implies, that Cherusci as Chatti as well derived from an unknown people that might have lived there at the lower Rhine along the coast in modern day Netherlands and Belgium, probably 1. another nameless Indo-European branch or 2. a small remnant of a pre-Indo-European / Old European people. Connected with the Belgae people, who are seen as those candidates, during Caesar's time, he described the Belgae unspecifically as a confederation of mixed Celtic and Germanic tribes. For some cases, I find it quite interesting, that the Istvaeonic/Iscvaeonic group (which later built the ground for the tribal federation of the Franks) along the Rhine appears somewhat secluded. Whether do we know what the name of the Istvaeones ment (Ist-/Isc-, depending on the reading of the remaining medieval copies of Taciti Germania, in the Carolingian minuscle c and t sometimes had a similar shape, especially in this case c after the long s = ſ , the connecting line is usually drawn from the hook downwards) - nor do we know what exactly separated them from the Erminones and Ingvaeones.

@New Jones ,you act as if you hover above us all. Sorry to state, but your education is meaningless without understanding. Do you know the meaning of the previous statement, , or do you fail to recognize it?

They would respond with "Scheiße!" in Latin.

@@KapiteinKrentebol or merda

Ich bin ein Berliner

*Italian school Trip to Germany* Kids stay Out of the Forests!

I love the German strategy here! No wonder children's stories make forests so scary!

No

Poor Augustus!

Only if you say it in Brian Blessed's voice. ;-)

Hello Pete.

Quintili Vare, legiones redde!

You think that was bad you should hear about the Romans who went there 6 years later to find the bodies, let's just say it was well documented

@@ciaranmck4469 you got sources on it ? I'd like to read it

@@shaun_177 timeline world history made a documentary on this battle (its mostly about stuff we found there in the modern day)

@@ciaranmck4469 cool ill check it out thanks !

@Default Name yeah mate no one asked

Not even close. :-)

Why couldn't he get those legions back? Isn't he the emperor?

If you count getting their corpses back as the next best thing, he won't be completely out of luck - watch out for that in the next germanic wars video eh? :D

lmao!

Perception 10000000

Good note!

Not to mention strong winds along with rain, which made the roman shields acted like sails.

Indeed. I don't remember if there were archers present there but if they were, the bows would have been useless as well.

Basically; the Roman legions were incredibly effective if they could fight in the open under good conditions. These weren’t good conditions.

​@@bkjeong4302 They were strung out and lost the significant advantage of the mass pila barrage, which did a lot to shatter the morale of the enemy. Though I never pictured the Romans as being inherently at a disadvantage out of open combat, after all, they had a LOT of experience in siege battles, which outnumbered open field battles by a wide margin.

See, I had no idea!

Not without reason, this was one of the best ambushes ever

Whoops

saved me the time of writing a comment to say that cheers

Malay Archer did an oopsie

Malay Archer *laughs in Minoan*

I see you everywhere

Molon Labe - Armenius, probably.

i was waiting for this :D

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7fqb3cPPfuM.html

They need a necromancer. But a Zombie Legion would be bad ass.

He was rumoured to have banged his head on a wall whilst yelling this

Yeah, I can see the similarities.

Arminius didn't escape. He was a Roman Citizen, and a commander of the same army he destroyed.

@@neutronalchemist3241 1. He wasnt commander, he was just advisor of commander 2. Scanderbeg also was a janissary and citizen of Ottoman Empire (muuuch more softer towards conqured nations than roman empire)

@@stevenpaddybwoy Arminius' brother, Flavus, served in the legion like him, he kept on fighting under Tiberius vs his brother, and was even granted a meeting with Arminius first than the battle of Weser. The two had to be separated by the legionaries after Arminius mocked Flavus' Roman decorations he gained during the campaign in Illiricum.

It‘s because it is basically the same story that got copied all over Europe. Literature and not history. It cannot be traced back from where this story originally comes from. Though it might go back to a core story that really happened it is totally unclear whether it goes back to roman times or not and whether it happened at all.

@@kikebautista2110 Yup, and in the long run it proved to be as effective as the Great Wall of China. Plus what imigration do you mean? The Gothic, Visigothic and Vandal invasions? :D

@@kikebautista2110 What I meant to say with the Great Wall analogy way, that the Romans built up a devensive line over territory hardly worth fighting for. The Limes may have been deffendable but it locked down many troops that could have been used elsewhere. I didn't mean that it was a bad fortification, I meant that ultimately, it cost way more than what it brought in return. As with any antique empire, it became a necessity for Rome to expand to keep the influx of goods the citizens desired. The further away they got from from the core of their realm, the less effective these conquered territories became (more on that later). Rome might have "had the might to conquere Germania" but that's irrelevant as long as they can't hold it afterwards, which was the case for a long time. Subduing that region would've been madness: the people there were most of the time self-sufficient and didn't necessarrily have the means/experience to join the Roman vassalage by trading of surpluss they didn't produce. Plus pinning them down, even integrating them would've taken immense manpower and funds. This is why the Empire so often colonised its outer rims by settling down tribes it had entered an alliance with. I don't agre with the idea of weighing short-term power against long-term sustainability. So immigratipn is a funny concept in this context. Wether you put apart ethnicities or those with or without citizenship, the kingdom/republic/empire had always been diverse. It is however not surprising, that as a nation grows and incorporates more peoples, it becomes more prone to fracturing along ethnic borders. Although blaming "non-roman" romans for the fall of their empire is sonething I find odd. Infighting had fractured Rome on multiple ocasions and I firmly believe that the only reason we are not looking on them with rhe same eye is vecause theye weren't the last such internal conflicts. There were numerous civil wars and political betrayals during the centuries, yet we only view the fall with such scrutuny, which I believe is unjust.

@Gary York Hahahaahahaa .bone spurs ,draft dodging Trump .lol You do know Nixon was president when Vietnam ended …..a Republican crook just like tRump,the slum lord idiot. Fuck I'm happy I am not American.

oak jungle

How can a discussion about history turn into a political one? smh. Aufwiedersehn.

Rome 2 total war

@@jamiejamie9549I don’t think he is talking about those animations

Augustus and Agrippa, what a badass team did they create

@@MDud-pg2un They were a badass team in the ps2 game Shadow of Rome,how good that game was...

Marco Antonio wos Badass.

@@cristhianramirez6939 wheres the laugh emoji......everythings a video game or a netflix special with you morons....

So Aggripa was a Roman Elon Musk?

In your theory you forget the huns, which was the main cause the germanic tribes started to move southward at once. They feared the huns more than the romans.

Huns,Vandals and Visigoths actually came from further East. Also the Franks were German people who settled in Gaul and that's where France gets it's name from.

The Romans could’ve conquered Germania if they wanted, but the cost would be too high….unlike Gaul which was very flat and open, Germania was dense swampy forests with some flat plains for agriculture which is not ideal for Roman style of combat….Germania also didn’t offer the resources that Gaul did….plus Germanic tribes were far less untied and “civilized” than the gaulic people so Rome couldn’t use politics and alliances to assimilate the tribes nearly as well

Yes, If Rome had totally defeated Germania - perhaps Hitler would not have happened; but then Rome was already top-heavy and overstretched and would have collapsed eventually, as it did later. -

@@HartmutJagerArt what?

That's good :D

I prefer “Gaul has three regions” rather than Italy.

The Romans were dead when they lost their lost cohesion; Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!!

@@treyloizzo9233 I had to learn that at school, and recite it from memory. Gaul est omnis devisia in partes tres... and as there was an argument at the time about the pronunciation of "v", woe betide the boy who said devisia instead of dewisia. Thank the Gods for Monty Python.

🤣🤣🤣😂

@@frenchguitarguy1091 You are probably right.

@@user-hh8vi2rc6l The trees spoke a form of western germanic.

@AUGUSTUS If you are not an ally of Rom, maybe you're an ally of the Germanic tribes...!!

It is Alex the Rambler with more Hearts of Iron 4! :P

It helps when you have a traitor spy who can literally tell the enemy to walk into your death trap.

Except revenge was a bitch.

Forces of darkness at play here...

Hope you liked my hometown ;)

@@fynnwind2494 herman the german is his popular moniker, a treasured first name among the volk vty r.wachendorf

Hermann, we call him: das Herrmannsdenkmal built in the 19th century🙂

This channel is just the frickin bomb!!!

All of the battles will get covered, it is just a matter of time

@@dominiksucic2206 i totaly agree.

I hate to quibble Kisaji, but it does look like you did put it down in words!

@@siechamontillado I'm talking about my feelings when I said that

@@MalayArcher It's ok bro i'm happy to help whenever i can

That is Bosporan Kingdom.

And even in death, Livia would kill people for she would teach Agrippina the Younger her tricks before her death. Or at least that is what Dovahhatty would tell us.

lmao you are not alone. My copy has been sacrificed to the gods already

It’s okay guys we still have Rome 1 to play and love

@@NoahWeaverRacing Rome 1 is actually, still, a very good game.

@@NoahWeaverRacing rome 1 best game ever

@@NoahWeaverRacing Imperator Rome looks like a good game by Paradox coming out in march, not the like tw at all but kind of, maybe.

I haven't even watched it yet because I am at work. But it's getting a thumbs up anyway. Something to look forward to while I eat my supper.

Thank you!

Given the debate in the comments a follow up video does seem appropriate! Fingers crossed...

Not if you could speak German

The only mistake that Varus should be credited for is his failure to ensure the area had been properly scouted. Certainly commands were given. But think; how do you, the commander, know that your subordinates failed to be thorough? Answer: Once the ambush is already underway. This channel's account of the events is heavily lopsided and clearly stems from Tacitus (who wrote on the subject up to 150 years later) and was moralistic history. It was heavily embellished and contorted in order to fit his narrative, as was the rest of his work.

Yeah.. it's much more frightening for the new recruits and this battle is their first(and only battle)

@@goodcitizen3780 I mean he killed himself rather than lead his people to safety, or go down fighting. committed

@@warrenhammer7262 We can't view his actions through the modern lens. That would be ridiculously ignorant.

mg juju this was actually a good one

In terms of numbers Crassus actually faired worse, but then, the Parthians were a foe the Romans actually took seriously.

Same, but this is far better and obviously devoid of silly love stories.

@Arnold Wilson Because he knew he would die.

Is it good or just drama?

@@donlansdonlans3363 its got both. More drama than action. Everything builds up to the Final clash. Its worth a watch, for me personally I just wanted to hear latin in a non church setting so that was really intriguing. Its worth a watch

@@donlansdonlans3363 it’s alright.

Pretty good show I’m on the Last episode

@@walter9899 I finished yesterday, enjoy it mate!

@chetnoMAN It doesn’t have any agenda against Rome nor does it say bad things about them, it mostly focuses on the Germans

@chetnoMAN How can you watch that beautiful and tragic scene at the end of Varus' life and think that this is biased against Rome? He was made out to be a betrayed victim more than a cruel bad guy.

@chetnoMAN I actually did myself... rest easy General Publius Quinctilius Varus. Mors vincit omnia 😥.

You mean Germanic Forest, not German Forest. Germany is modern, not ancient concept.

Gets better. :-)

This is GERMANIA!!!

Thank you! Yes, the forest is still there, which is great news to us all. :-)

@@KingsandGenerals You're welcome! Yes, and it has a great museum too! :)

It is not true, that this forest has "still" the name "Teutoburger Wald". The roman chronidt Tacitus called the battlefield "Silva Teutoburgiensis". In the year 1616, the historian Philipp Clüver just took the name from Tacitus and gave it to the foredt where he believed that the battlefield was. It was the "Osning" which he called "Teutoburger Wald then eventhough archeologists have proved the battlefield is "Kalkriese", which is not far from that forest but not in the forest itself.

Different perspectives from different sources is amazing

Roma invicta after teutoburg forest hahaha

@@johnnywalker1333 they did get their vengeance

My new favorite RU-vid channel is called "Voices of the Past." Their videos simply recite primary sources from ancient history (while showing relevant images.) I find it fascinating to hear ancient people talking directly to me- like I'm in the room with them.

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 I can't find it, would you care to provide a link ?

Thanks, more on the way!

Thanks for waiting patiently :-)

Kings and Generals you have no idea how wide my eyes just went when I saw your reply 😂

Dennis Jeppesen check their playlist

Yes please!!!

The scale and intrigues of those wars make everything else after look amateurish. They knew how to do war on eachothers. Arguably that was the last time Rome actually had competitors and not resistance..

@h ey I was actually talking and pleading for the diadochi wars. And the fact that the first collides of Hellenistic kingdoms with Rome made things even more fascinated.

i was wondering about it too, since the other narrator for this channel only narrates the war of the diadochi series.

Thanks!

@@KingsandGenerals what the.... okay,i did not expect that :")

:D

Haha Panzer Divisions!!

Ghost Division

Thank you :-)

Thank you very much! We will!

the statue is boring; I recommend visiting the "Kalkriese" Historic Museum in Bramsche. Many archelogic relicts found on the assumed battlefield (there are several theories where the battle actual took place) are shown there.

Working on it!

VASILIOS BOULGAROKTONOS!!!!!!

Basil II is the best Roman Emperor

@@dieselface1yeah he pretty much restored roman power

Good!

Thanks! Good point, will try to improve!