Texas & Oklahoma or USC & UCLA: Who had the the bigger move? | First Take 

Lincoln Riley coached at OU for a few years and you don't know what OU is without him? Talk about getting caught up in hype lol.

USC is way better than recruiting than OU? Didn’t Oklahoma just win multiple commits over USC in July? And don’t know what Oklahoma is without Lincoln Riley is hilarious 🤣

Look, I know ESPN personalities base their opinions on what will stir up the most controversy and in some cases are just told what "their" opinion will be, but c'mon. This is just pathetic. They act like if you don't live in California, Florida, or Texas you'll never be able to get another recruit again. They also have a incredibly short outlook on how all this plays out. OU and Texas are bigger brands than UCLA and USC. There's no arguing that. Also, we don't know what LR is going to do at USC. How can you even say that? Plus, if we do assume that, then that means USC will put up about a 100 points a game, be the lesser physical team, and not be able to stop anybody on defense. This is all just so stupid and childish

USC hasn’t been relevant since UT beat Em in 2005

Texas And Oklahoma shared conferences and geography with several SEC schools. The Big12 itself isn't very old. The SEC footprint is a huge part of their recruiting territory. So them moving to the SEC, while big, wasn't unexpected. But USC and UCLA bailing on a conference they've been members of for almost a century, for a conference where, as of now, the closest school is Nebraska, was stunning. That was a truly left-field move, and will have more collateral damage by far.

I like Orshloskavinski, but UCLA and USC to B10 doesn’t happen without OU and that other school moving. Also what is OU without Lincoln Riley? Idk, just one of the top 3 most successful and consistent programs ever. And good luck with that “fertile ground”. The top interior Dlineman recruit in California right now is in the 400s ranking wise. Recruiting is fully National now, heck even defending champs, Georgia, can’t hardly get top Georgia guys to stay in-state and source top talent from elsewhere.

I'm not a Texas fan, but what is Finebaum saying "Texas hasn't had anything since Vince Young"? Has he forgotten about the years with Colt McCoy when they were in the BCS championship game conversation? If he said since Colt McCoy, I'd wholeheartedly agree, but let's at least be factual in our assessments.

Is Orlovsky seriously saying no one knows what OU is like without Riley? Not like there was 14 15 years of OU success with Bob Stoops

Even as a big ten fan the Texas and Oklahoma move is a bigger deal

Player's want to play in the sec.OU and Texas made the biggest move by a large margin.Look what its done for A&M

This is a complete cluster of a conversation. From the start when Paul demonstrates his inability to listen and doesn't know it's not his turn, up until the very end. 🙄

The SEC got the biggest brands in OU and Texas but the BIG10 expanded their footprint to LA and Southern California. So it’s basically which one do you see as more valuable brands or footprint.

Mad dog be looking at the camera funny when he not talking

Texas/Oklahoma > USC/UCLA

Do you know why ALABAMA and OKLAHOMA are the greatest teams year in and year out cause the eat sleep learn football they are not going to the most pampered state in our beautiful country witch is California here in Oklahoma we wake up at 4am and start working out same as Alabama and when we have free time we are not going and getting pedicures we are studying the playbook or working out so I don't know how you all think coach Riley is going to make USC that much better in his first season give him a few seasons but every USC fan is going to want him fired if he don't win the big one in his first 2 seasons and he is a soft coach he is a great offensive mind but the defensive strategy he runs gets exposed and burnt his defense is his offense and you all just say what you think people want to hear grow a pair and tell it like it is talk about all the players who thought he was some one else and found out he has no loyalty that is the hard truth and I guarantee CW throws the most ints in the pac12 he is a great player and a hard worker but now he is being pampered is he still going to give it his all only time will tell

In Football, brand rankings would be USC, Oklahoma, Texas and UCLA. College sports overall, UCLA, USC, Oklahoma, Texas. When you talk brands, you talk legacy, known through out the CFB and sports world.

Arch Manning is a 3-star.

Hilarious that Dan thinks we just have no idea how OU will be under Venables. He hasn't been a head coach before, that's true. But, he's experienced, coached with 3 legend HCs, won championships, beat Saban and Bama, and developed incredible talent. OU is a step up for him....but let's not make it sounds like this is something he might fail at. Venny's got this.

Wrong Dan! Oklahoma made Lincoln Riley. uSC beast? They have been irrelevant for years. Your talking California, not Florida or Louisiana or Georgia recruiting.

Riley was handed a team that was stacked... muuuuch easier to get good fast at Ou than USC based off how Stoops left the program vs previous coaches at USC lmao thats the big difference!

Ou and tex are way bigger brands then usc and ucla no one cares about ucla or usc lol

I don't think it's a fair comparison, the NIL decision was made in 2021. Nobody understood the impact NIL would have on revenue sports. That drove USC and UCLA away from the PAC-12.

2005 Rose bowl Vince Young 2009 Rose Bowl Colt McCoy

Does Dan know any OU football history? 😂

USC will continue to get humiliated and I can’t wait to see it. Lincoln Riley taking Alex Grinch with him was the best thing that could’ve happened to program at OU. If Ohio State didn’t want Alex Grinch that should tell you something

This ain't even the question we need answers to right now... What is happening with the pac 12

Please, how people always forget that usc was 4-8 last yr and getting Riley was a huge loss

NIL favors schools in large markets, and the Big 10 now have Chicago, New York, and LA.

All four of these teams won. Huge. The SEC media market is incredibly powerful with ESPN powering them. Big Ten is right there as well but they have the wider reach from coast to coast. UCLA and USC made the biggest jump in improvement because the Pac 12 network is absolutely garbage and their social media team is led by a blind person. I'm just excited for the changes. I love it when tables are flipped.

The absolute disregard for Oklahoma is hilarious. They've outperformed all three teams for decades and are pushed aside.

Coach Deion Primetime Sanders is about to be legendary the Coach of JACKSON STATE TIGERS 🐅

UCLA is going to the Big 10 for basketball and USC for football

Seriously? Texas and OU to the Sec is wayyyyyyyyyyy bigger. People hate Texas so much that they stop thinking logically. Texas will be back sooner rather then later with this move to the SEC. Oklahoma has always been relevant in college football.

It's gotta be USC/UCLA. You have to take this from a NIL standpoint. To have the LA market is huge, not to mention all the talent that is in California. The reason why USC in particular hasn't been as good is because they aren't able to recruit their in town athletes. They have been going to the SEC/BIG 10. With NIL now, the opportunity to make millions as a student athlete and what LA has to offer, they should be able to attract talent from other states + plus keep more of their in state recruits. LA is great once you have money and the NIL provides that.

i was a fan of Dan until this very moment.. to act like Riley was the savior of the program is pure insanity!

People seem to forgot UCLA was at one point ranked in the top 10 in the nation last year, beat USC by 30 on the road and was a few plays away from beating Oregon after having College Gameday at UCLA. Obviously USC is the bigger program historically but let's not act like UCLA is irrelevant. They've been better than USC recently.

Crazy Texas is less than UCLA because they were 5-7 last year, but USC suddenly world beaters after going 4-8, where'd they find this guy? USC 6-6 max this year, Texas 10-2 minimum.

The Sooners have been a great program for a long time. The Longhorns haven't done much in a long time. UCLA has been an irrelevant football program for ages. USC was a storied football program. I would choose the UT and Sooners over the two California schools.

Definitly USC-UCLA….. west coast schools now playing in the Midwest? OU and Texas actually will get to rekindle some rivalry games with Missouri, Arkansas, Texas A&M, and fit more into the SEC….. usc and ucla just don’t belong in the pac 12

Texas, OU is the bigger domino because of that didn’t happen the college football landscape wouldn’t have changed at all. So not only did the Texas OU move change the way college football looks today it completely changed it and now the SEC has the two biggest money making schools in its conference. The LA market is huge but I think people forget Texas generates more revenue than USC.

The bigger move money wise is obviously OU and UT to the SEC. The bigger move in terms of changing the world of college football is the USC UCLA move setting the stage for the first national super conference and ultimately ruining college football.

Hysterical Oklahoma is completely out recruiting USC so your hypothesis is wrong... Riley went to USC because it would have been an easy conference for him to dominate he is not happy about having to play Ohio Wisconsin Penn state Michigan state Michigan....

Y’all really think kids are going to go to USC knowing they have to go play in the freezing cold for like 4-6 games.

Also, in 5 years, OU got worse every year. i think Lincoln will be massively successful because of NIL and recruiting, not because he is an actual great coach.

230 (UCLA/ USC National Championships VS 106 (texas/oklahoma ) not even close now add the TV market and academics…. C’Mon!!! even a hillbilly can figure it out.

Venables is on pace to have a better class at OU than Riley ever had. I get ESPN has to pump USC up desperately. They are so in need of any team in the California market to matter again. It’s not even a debate though Texas/OU are by far the bigger additions. I mean I don’t even know how this is a debate lol. Oklahoma dominates in just about every sport, and Texas does in everything but football lately. The SEC isn’t losing its crown as top dog anytime soon.

Lincoln Riley is an awful coach. He took over when Stoops gave him a powerhouse team and cost them the title in 2018 with his horrible 2nd half play calling against Georgia. He has no clue about defense, plus those soft west coast players won't be able to go to the Midwest in the winter and win games.

Let me ask, would usc fans sell out a stadium if they lose 2 games in the first 8 games? I could see both ou and Texas doing that but usc fans are a little more fair weathered so just depends if usc can even win and ucla is just there lets be honest

Yes Jesse, I couldn’t agree more. But all the OU naysayers are in for a surprise. A friend in Alabama told me there’s mumbling talk in Tuscaloosa about OU’s recruits and the radical change in culture. And Brents defense at Clemson manhandled the SEC teams very well didn’t they?

When did Mad Dog came on ESPN lol?

Oklahoma and Texas is a bigger move USC and UCLA to the big 10 doesn't happen without that move.

What is OU without Lincoln Riley oh idk maybe 7 time National Champions

OU is fixin to educate the world on who we are!

And another consideration. USC and UCLA will be spending much more time traveling than being in mostly on the West Coast. And that is a big change.

Being a USC fan since a little kid because my brother is an alumn and took me to all the games back in 1990/2000s I think this is awesome 😎 👏🏽. Sucks that USC hasn’t been relevant in over 10 years but this is nuts 🥜

Texas is the biggest brand out there!!!

This lone college student in grey behind Paul is getting his 15 seconds of fame

B10 both LA schools stop playing

The BIG definitely won this considering UCLA and USC is ranked and OU and Texas not ranked talk about what have you done for me lately…

FAS kind of dazzled look in the middle and a drunk New Yorker on the right. That's ESPN talent

ucla in the 90s and late 80s was wayyyy better than SC

Why must they insist on playing the canned music in the background every time someone starts talking…

Not sure 🤷‍♂️

We don't know how Riley coaches....lol....he was handed a Ferrari at Oklahoma....and only got worse.....

Lincoln is not as good as venables . OU will be a national championship team soon

Dan is right ✌🏼✌🏼💯💯

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Not even close lol OU and Texas

Arch Manning has yet to prove himself. Only by name.

That's false USC was relevant every year Pete Carroll was there. Period!

The coach don't make the team the player's who are student athletes it takes more than a coach to win games the student athletes put in the work to become a great team OU already has there team that wants to play the best game in the world and get a degree all in the same 4 years and wants to play for OU and not go get soft in SO CAL

Don't know whose worse, Paul F or Mad Dog...it's pretty close.

University of South Alabama needs to jump to the ACC or BiG12

SEC by far with Texas and Ok. Big 10 Overrated. With Texas Money not counting new NIL $, Finebaum will quickly discover that they can make A&M chump change if they wish to get into a bidding war with Jimbo. The historic Texas vs A&M rivalry was for Texas like Auburn and Ala in SEC. That will be great Media Push for SEC. I can see a few years down the road an SEC game day in Austin.. with 111000 expected for a Texas vs A&M game.

USC and its all jerry McGuire "Show me the money".

Ppl have to realize that SEC expansion is for football & money, while B1G expansion is for tv markets, academics, money, recruiting areas then football. SEC playing checkers while B1G playing chess because they know most of the top talent is already in SEC country so for their football it’s about alumni, tv markets & brands not winning Nat’l Chips.

do they answer?

The PAC12 and BiG12 gotta merge together. Too bad they'll be without USC and UCLA if they do make that conference merger move. The BiG10 actually should have went after Clemson UNC NC Stata and Duke. That way the SEC could pick up FSU and Miami

I agree with mad dog

Oklahoma and UT's 7-Win Steve will be SEC's whipping boy....While USC actually had a winning record vs the BIG-10.... ✌✌

Best more texas and Oklahoma. Bigger move usc UCLA's. Literally they going to have some long distance away games.

Wow these people are detached from reality lol

USC n ucla just because that’s about woman’s n mens basketball n football

Was this a comedy skit?

Lol Wow these are some idiotic takes right here. Texas is the most profitable brand in cfb and OU has been the more successful team out of the bunch for a while now. To act like USC and especially UCLA has been so much more productive than UT is a stretch. Quit acting like LA is some football crazed city. Both of the LA schools attendance average was like 1000 people per game. Also, we’re projecting the impact of the moves in the future And it will not benefit anyone more than Texas.

Seriously?

I agree Oklahoma and Texas is no USC and we don’t know what Oklahoma will be with a new head coach but we know what Lincoln Riley can do and USC is a better destination than Oklahoma big power move by the big ten

The only good thing about the Big Ten expansion is now they have a decent chance of getting a baseball team to Omaha.

FUCLA is just riding along for the joy ride. They're good in Football twice every 8 years. 🤣

Dan O. Come on man. Coach Venables and staff will recruit and win better & more than the usc Skittle shitters. You can already see it this year in recruiting. Venables first year and already out doing tbow. smh 🔥BOOMER💥

Since when was UCLA relevant

This segment was terrible. And it was particularly because of the topic.

Riley won with stoops players lol ..smh

Mad Dog and Acho have the hottest and most annoying takes at ESPN 🤦🏾‍♂️

Mad dog is super annoying.

Lincoln Riley won 85% of his games but who did he play? USC and UCLA are trash😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

What😂 You get PAID 4 this Comment!!! Yall are a Joke Trick😘 USC get some O.U.

Get molly off of college sports plesase

Texas and OU much bigger. USC and… yeah, is only big due to the footprint being expanded. Everything is about money these days, clearly, so all you have to do is look at revenue of the 2 vs the other 2 and the question is answered. Garbage takes

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