TF2 Bug Busters: Sniper Bugs 

To celebrate this newest episode, I will be recreating Jarate in real life. Then i’ll drink it to test for authenticity!

Wait a minute... This isn't hit movie Bug Buster released in 1998...

I miss having the "stab stab stab" duels with people, seeing who dies to RNG or spams their taunt key the longest. Two snipers stuck in a stun pose, yapping non-stop "stab stab stab" for like 30 seconds then one of them dying is peak Team Fortress 2 gameplay.

I'm so sad you didn't mention the "stab stab stab" spam from two Huntsman snipers spamming G. Neither of them will ever be able to finish their taunt so they'll both just sit stunned saying "stab stab stab" over and over again until one of them stops spamming G

The Bug where the Jarate on the Cozy Camper became invisible at certain angles USED to be entirely true, but Valve fixed that one fairly recently.

Now we wait for the six hour long documentary “Bug Busters : Mann vs Machine”

So wait, if the Machina can trigger a penetration kill from shooting through your own teammate, and shooting through multiple enemy's can cause the unique sound effect to stack multiple times, then does that mean you could headshot 16 enemies through 15 teammates and trigger the sound effect even MORE?

8:08 sniper really just opened the gates to the underworld by ending 16 clones of him

I love how the Machina's multi-kill fanfare sound becomes the sound of a nuclear warhead exploding once it hits 16 kills

16:50 shonic tested something similar to who gets the kill first based on different weapons types. I think for hitscan like the sniper rifle it was always the player who joined the server first

If the huntsman can still attack while stunned, doesn’t that mean it’s a soft counter for the old sandman?

My favorite part about the Machina is when you sometimes hear the incredibly loud and repeated multi kill noise in the middle of a game. I hope that bug stays around forever (unlike the Wheatley Sapper voice line spam bug that is unfortunately now gone)

To answer your question at around 17:00 about why one player kept getting the kill, I believe shounic made a video analyzing this phenomenon. It has something to do with priorities of who joined first and it affects other aspects like teleporters too

The reason why the Sentry Buster's legs are the only visible part that gets Jarate'd is because its actually a Caber Demo with a seperate Bomb model

For the didgeridrongo taunt it's possible the flame particle is under the floor. It seems to appear a fair distance from the hand in other taunts and maybe sniper sitting on the ground with his arm pointed a little downward it could end up lower than floor level.

For the first achievement bug discussing shooting someone at the exact same time (~16:20), a youtuber named "Shounic" actually made a video discussing this topic. In general, he has many videos about how tf2 works in its calculations and whatnot. I'd recommend both that video and his channel in general. Extremely interesting. I'll see if I can find the link to video, but I'm kinda lazy so no promises. Found it. Video is named, "What happens if two people kill someone or each other simultaneously? (in tf2)" by Shounic The link is m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9NeknAtFkFg.html

If you land a headshot with the Sydney Sleeper while kritz charged or during humiliation, it will register as a headshot and even show it as a headshot in the killfeed. I wonder if that would let it contribute to the "Flight Canceled" achievement.

The only guess i have for the bug at 12:15 is that the game checks to see if you are holding the self aware beauty mark when its thrown, and if you swap to something different the game thinks “oh he doesnt have the beauty mark so make it throw the jarate model”

The huntsman arrow extinguishing upon entering water definitely used to be true, I used to see it all the time way back in the day, around 2011 or so. It didn't affect the arrow igniting people, but it looked like it was a normal arrow. The other bug that I remember definitely existing a long time ago was the bugle being held up one from the soldier video; he used to keep the bugle held to his mouth in first person until you let it go, and not put back to his side

Additional note; Being stunned also resets your action. So you can huntsman taunt dual for effectively an eternity just saying 'stab stab stab' over and over.

I just realized that the bread inside the jars for Sniper and Scout have miserable lives. Sniper pisses on you and Scout uhhh.... pours spoiled milk on you? Yeah.... let's just go with that.

A RU-vid named shounic made a video asking the exact question of what happens when two players fire at the same time, it goes in depth into the code and is really well made

i know another bug with the classic: while charging and scoped, if you inspect your rifle [ Default: "f" ] the laser moves around as if the sniper rifle is being inspected

I remember how half a year ago, when I just started playing TF2, I got dead reckoning achievement while playing with a sniper rifle. I didn't even know that huntsman existed. I don't remember exactly how it happened, but I'm sure this bug is possible

5:25 I feel like the real bug should be "sydney sleeper shots can sometimes decide not to extinguish burning teammates for no reason whatsoever"

All i know is, there used to be a bug where Huntsman Arrows would get stuck in friendly buildings and on destruction, fly out and destory anyone. I did 30k to a Hale once and to watch him instantly melt was worth it.

I remember the huntsman arrow being extinguished from water a long time ago, it was also only visual. So maybe that was fixed so that the arrow was always lit? Or my memory is going.

Time to rush to the wiki to fix all of them.

Honestly I love this one at 8:00 It’s like the better you do, the harder they cheer. With no limit 😅

the one at 14:15 also applies to botkiller flamethowers (at least from what I've personally seen) the head moves around very slowly another bug with botkiller flamethrowers is that the flame is missing on the weapon model

great video as always, I love learning about all these little quirks in the game and can’t wait for the pyro and engineer videos, the map bugs idea sounds great too and I would love to see it

Seriously I can't understand why you aren't at least 10x more popular. your content has always been very high quality and entertaining I really wish you the best with gaining the fame you deserve

8:02 ok but honestly if you collateral 6 players in a single shot you deserve to hear that sound

14:24 it is protecting itself from straining itself by moving slowly, its shielding the danger

The Sydney Sleeper in MvM has always had bugs with it, it used to have recursive explosive headshot that would be able to deal infinite damage. Which Sigsegv also has a video demonstrating.

0:43 "Lets get ready to bumble." oh god the cheese.

On the subject of how the game decides a tie breaker, shounic made a great video about how the game handles assists. I think for kills the game picks the player that joined the server first.

Weird sniper/spy bug I encountered. The headshot kill icon and the counter on the scoreboard is dependent on the shot dealing critical damage, not just on hitting the head. This means 2 things: - A Vaccinator or Battalion's Backup charge will make it appear as a normal kill regardless of circumstances. - If you receive a crit boost you can make them count the shot as a headshot even if under normal circumstances the weapon shouldn't have been able to headshot (this includes being too far in range for the Ambassador, not fully charged Classic shot, any sidney sleeper shot, unscoped shots from all non-classic rifles). Minicrit boosts won't work for this, you need a full crit. That's also why the Sidney Sleeper never displays the icon despite it being able to headshot since Blue Moon. This also means that a hypothetical sniper rifle that minicrits when it would normally crit would also be affected by this error. I haven't been able to test if strange versions of those weapons have their headshot kill parts affected by this as well. Fun trivia about this bug. The TF2 Wikia has blacklisted this bug, for some unknown reason, and regularly deletes any references to it despite it being clearly a bug.

So for the machina double tracer, that works mostly on maps like balloon race etc where the object you are on is moving quickly

I’ve noticed a bug not listed is when you taunt when holding m1 with the classic, the laser disconnects from the rifle, and stays until shot or swapping weapons

I've just starting getting back into TF2 again and I'm a Sniper main, so perfect timing.

I think what they meant with the Cleaner's Carbine one is when you use the worldview model as your first person pov

17:10 It's an emu! It's a ute! No, it's _Jarate Man!_

The jarate assist one reminds me of if you are doing the gunslinger contract and get an assist with the other player using their main weapon, it counts toward kill with primary, even if it was a sentry assist.

Man, videos of this quality deserve more success

sound based bugs like the machina one arent due to the rifle itself, but the fact the same sound is playing at the exact same time in more than once instance. usually, it's fucking hilarious, deafens everyone on the map and drowns out all other noise for a sec.

surprised the bug about sniper stretching out that one mushroom hat with his melee taunt wasn't mentioned anywhere.

i love this series

The Last Wave can be earned by taunting with SMG. Btw, You can unlock The Last Wave and Be Polite at the same time by taunting any special taunts, for example, The Schadenfreude. And Shoot The Breeze unlocks if you shoot dead ringer spy with SMG.

14:25 I'm sure that happens with all the jigglebones in the Loadout menu, at least it also occurs with the Botkillers

Bug: Headshotting 16 people at once with the machine clogs the gates of hell since so many people are dying at once that you can hear the screams of the damned

Wow, that Hitman Heatmaker’s feature was unknown to me the whole time. I waited until the bar was full every time I had it equipped

17:28 Was how I earned my Huntsman. Did not know about that bug, was on Degroot Keep.

Wait a minute....this isn’t my favorite 1998 comedy/horror film staring Randy Quaid!

I believe the cleaner's carbine bug about the misaligned muzzle flash was referring to using first person world view (cl_first_person_uses_world_model 1) and not literally looking at it as another player. I have not checked, but just something to note

At 15:17, where it mentions world view, it most likely is talking about using true view models, otherwise known as world view models, which is a command that makes your game render your weapons and (annoyingly) unusual effects on your own screen, which means you get some wacky images and sometimes annoying stuff happening like unusual effects blocking your screen.

Everytime I see this channels intro it gets me hyped

Shounic has actually posted like 2 or 3 videos just detailing what happens when you kill each other with hitscan weapons at the exact same time, and it varies a lot. It often favours the first person to join the server and for almost all cases it's consistent in which player dies.

16 minutes! That's the earliest I've ever been to a video!

19:03 yeah.. pyro is buggy but engineer oh boy, engineer has so many map related bugs, like being able to get an enemy spy into his teams spawn on a few maps, on badwater he can build a teleporter out of bounds, etc. heck for the past few scream fortresses most of the bug fixing the devs did after released was to prevent engineers from glitching out of bounds

8:08 R.I.P my ears and my earphones aswell

16:33 can confirm you can die and kill the enemy when both useing the default sniper rifle

The first one also works with the Meat Grinder kill taunt (Gunslinger default taunt). You reverse taunt-kill the engi if you're fast enough.

4:48 I actually put this bug on the wiki! I can confirm that the infinite loop by holding M1 and M2 has something to do with if holding holding down the mouse is registered as multiple concurrent clicks or just one.

Can't wait for engineer bugs, There will be no shortage there. Here's a few that may or may not be on the wiki: If an enemy engineer places a teleporter exit against their spawn door and you survive being tefragged (either have over 1k hp, phlogistonator mmph taunt, or ubercharge) then you can both walk towards the spawn door together. Thin spawn door brushes can have teleporters placed through them. Severe server desync can let engineers place teleporters through cealings and in some cases walls.

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I actually experienced the Machina's bug with the second shot appearing when recoiling, but with the classic and its semi-tracer. It actually happened earlier today without me knowing why it happened.

I’ve had the jarate on the cozy camper go almost entirely invisible as of yesterday

When in doubt, blame lag compensation. Especially when it comes to resolving ties about who shot first.

I think the bug at 15 : 13 in the video refers to the console command that makes u see what everyone else sees but on ur screen

16:33 This has happened to me a few times before actually. It’s really cool when it happens.

Omfg how did I miss this!

The cleaner’s carbine one about muzzle flashes is a periodic bug with the first person world model, I think that’s what they’re saying for that but entry

I think what they were saying is from using a command(I forgot it) to where the player can see the world view in first person.

15:15 It could be talking about cl_first_person_uses_world_model 1, a command that allows you to see your world model replacing your viewmodel

6:47 this would also explain why EH damage seems to ignore resistances enemy bots have (most notably FoS heavies taking 150 as expected from it)

The 16 snipers when they die: summons satan

I encountered two bugs that wasn't shown here. For the Heatmaker, when focus was active, i was able to unscope. For "The Last Wave", I was only able to get it with the SMG/Carbine's wave, not any of the primaries.

This bumble was unBEElievable!

It seems nobody saw that in 18:28 sniper had the classic equiped in the bottom left model instead of the sydney sleeper

In mvm the Razorback + full crit resistance would cause a sniper being backstabbed to gain a bunch of overheal. This was patched (at least out of two cities, haven’t checked other missions) but apparently works on a server with sv_cheats enabled.

There were some achievements that I've gotten when not playing as the required class, one of those was pincushin but I dont remember the class I was

As far as I know, of you penetrate a Teammate, or not only shows the double kill icon but also if your weapon is strange, it counts as two kills on the count

The single employee Valve hired to update TF2 closely analyzing this vid rn

Once managed to get several penetration kills in a 2fort match, about 3 or 4 sound effects. Everyone was saying something about it in the chat (more about their ears) and I was dying laughing. Still chasing that high, always tempted to go machina when I see a conga line.

Yes map bugs!!! Id like to see some funny and wacky stuff done with them, infact, I recently went on to check out Hydro in casual and it put me and my friend once in a different spot in a map in which we should not be, and not only we couldnt get out, someone capped our point meanwhile we were standing on top of another one, we couldnt help our team in any way

for the Cleaner's Carbine bug, the poster probably meant the cl_uses_worldview command that was meant for VR.

I have managed to get a simultaneous kill with bullet based weapons before, however I only recall it happening on Scout. The Bug related to that one may be relative to the ping of the two players involved too.

I love the Machina sound effect glitch because it feels appropriate. Yeah getting two kills in one shot is awesome and deserves getting cheered for, but getting more kills in one deserves louder cheers to the same degree of how many people you killed. Yes I know it's annoying but if you ask me it's a dopamine rush like no other

I think the Cleaners Carbine muzzle flash misalignment comes from higher than normal firing speeds. I think I remember it happening in MVM when I upgraded it for the memes.

16:33 it can, it happened on some 2fort server i played, the chat went insane

3:06 "Wait a minute, if we're underwater, how can-"

3:10 I actually can confirm that this either used to be a bug, or still is and it just dependent on settings.

4:32 Wow, a free unusual effect!

I think killsphilup did the whole “if two player shoot each other at the same time who wins” in CSGO a few years back. I would think it would be pretty similar results

14:24 i think it applies to all weapons/cosmetics that use jigglebones

15:37 I had this via a soldier's rocket. It's in one of my TF2 videos.

Not sure if it says it on the wiki, but there’s a visual bug with Pyro head replacements and cosmetics such as the glasses on the That 70’s Chapeau. If the hat is in the first cosmetic slot, the head replacement (such as a Foster’s Facade) will show “over” the glasses, as if they were invisible lenses. You can fix this on your own by ordering the head replacement above the That 70’s Chapeau. If it still has the layering issue, just switch to a different loadout and then come back. Not sure if the same happens outside the loadout menu, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

Snipers killing each other at the same time - there is a video explaining this. If I recall correctly, some weapons (bullet based?) Hit target first if the player shooting them connected to the server first and other (explosion based??) Do it the other way, meaning if you connected last you will be rewarded with a kill. I don't remember this correctly but it went something like that.