[TF2] Knockback Weapons 

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every time you jump using the FaN as your third jump and not combo-ing first jump into FaN for massive height it physically hurts me

2:12 Fly Away from Raid Shadow Legends

Niche references only you can understand? How dare you assume i haven't listened to the entire GG song lost on repeat

FaN and loose cannon: fun but impractical Scorch shot: oh yeah that has knockback

man didnt even have it in him to clown the shortstop shove

5:22 “Uh, I can explain- BLAH”

he is ALWAYS in a discord call

I came into this expecting to say something about the Loose Cannon (my most used and favourite demo weapon) but I heavily disagree with the Scorch shot Segment. It honestly, genuinely, isn't that good. It's annoying sure, but the Flare Gun and Detonator are both better. Hitting 90+ damage flares with the regular FG is so much better than the measly damage the SS deals and using full afterburn damage as apart of it's damage is almost dishonest. There are soooo many ways to mitigate afterburn that the person you're fighting must either have a broken keyboard or incredibly unlucky. Against Heavies the FG is better in almost every way too since a Medic can't out heal the burst damage (like he almost certainly can with the SS). You also can't understate the Detonator's mobility, it gives Pyro so much more than the dinky little jumps the SS provides while still giving you AoE afterburn on groups. You don't even have to aim with the Det, just right click when the flare is near people. Even the SS needs to hit SOMETHING to explode. For the Loose Cannon I'll say that it's probably the worst demo grenade launcher. Double donks are very fun but they're not a big enough reward for the skill required to hit them. Thanks to how TF2 handles explosives a double donk might not even kill a light class for christ's sake. Hitting a Scout for 122 and dying because of it will make you wonder why you even bothered learning the thing in the first place. It especially sucks against mini sentries often requiring 2 shots to take one out. But it does have onnnne really good use against turtling engis. Since the cannonballs travel through buildings you can double donk an engi while he hides behind his stuff.

12:18 Song name is Extras if anyone was wondering.

2:13 He's using the FAN model that breaks sometimes happens when you double-jump(finally someone noticed)

did not mention loose cannon jumping, hybrid knight with the loose cannon and the tide turner is so much fun

Did not expect that elphelt theme loose canon clip, was kinda dozing off and it woke me up so fast

Thanks Opal, now I want to buy a Strange Mannana Peeled Loose Cannon and name it "NEW FUNKY MODE"

i'm not gonna argue about whether or not the scorch shot is annoying to fight against, but i do genuinely think you're overhyping the weapon to be more than it actually is. you say very hyperbolic things about it being the best flare gun/"best of every world for pyro," having the strengths of every other flare gun, that it does "literally everything you could reasonably ask it to" but none of this is actually true. you refer to it as the 'jack of all trades' flare gun but the ending to that phrase is "master of none." it may technically be the "easiest to use" but the damage is ultimately not as good as the stock flare gun or even the mannmelter, which can deal full crits (the former against burning players no matter what). its crowd control and especially added mobility really isn't as good as the detonator, which can also be used to remove sticky bombs. sure, the scorch shot is the easiest flare gun to spam, but there are so many options for spamming in this game that it feels very silly to single out this weapon. you say you keep using it and that you 'kind of have to' but i suggest you play around with the other flare guns some more, especially the detonator, which the scorch shot is almost entirely outclassed by. it has added knockback compared to it, but literally everything else about it is worse than the detonator. i feel like if that were used as often as the scorch shot (and paired with the phlog as often) then that would be the scapegoat flare gun everyone talks about.

Regarding what you said about the minicrit scorch shot afterburn, its actually even worse: hitting someone already burning makes the duration increase to 10 seconds with a flare, so it does 100 damage from minicrit afterburn

I like your detailed descriptions of everything. It makes it really easy and enjoyable to listen to these videos while I’m working. Keep it up!

I named my strange scorch shot "I'm not apologizing".

A-posed spy jumpscare 8:19 😮

“Honey it’s time for the totally original ‘Scorch Shot BAAD’ opinion for the 2,456th time!” “Yes dear…”

I like how Scout actually uses the release lever on the Force-a-Nature. So many video games just have you grab the barrel and yank it like you're actually breaking the gun in half

hot take: the loose cannon is the most annoying weapon in tf2 with a crappy scorchshot pyro you just get set on fire every now and then, with a good scorchshot pyro you get bounced around a bit, with a crappy loose cannon demo you get completely stopped in your tracks and movementlocked for seconds per ball with 4 balls at a time, with a good cannon demo you just die or get sent back to your spawn doors because no amount of knockback resistance is gonna work vs a double donk

8:20 that spy jumpscare when he dies scare the sh*t out of me man💀

I love the use of the PSG song at the start of the Force of nature segment

Anyone that makes guilty gear reference in tf2 video is peak content

21:35 doesn't the detonator also have that trait though? I'm not gonna sit here and claim that the scorch shot is well made or anything, but that's making it out to be even worse than it is by claiming that it has a stat that has no reason to be there, even though it's just staying consistent with the other explosive flare gun

The force-a-nature on hightower:

I was not expecting to hear Elphelts theme in a tf2 video lmao

The 3 most fun weapons in the game, the Force-A-Nature with it’s unique mobility and playstyle, the Loose Cannon with very satisfying hits and rewards for getting good with it, and the Scorch Shot, that you shoot from across the map and stun lock some heavy in a corner with while on the other side of the map.

The detonator can also clear sticky traps just so you know. (explosion only)

I knew the sponser was Raid from the laugh.

My idea for 'fixing' the scorch-shot would be to remove the delayed explosion on a direct hit and make it happen only when hitting map geometry. it would still be a versatile knockback and area-denial tool, but less frustrating / brain-dead. Fishstick's Bad Weapon Rehab did that (but removed the knockback and added full crits on burning players) while HiGPS' balance mod nerfed it's explosion radius and dmg.

The scorch shot is one I don’t use often, because flare punch funny, but making enemy gamers mad gives me a sadistic pleasure. I still won’t use phlog though. it is, for the most part, flamethrower without the airblast, and I live for the airblast

Shotgun jumps are technically engine jank, in the same way rocket jumps were. They used to be prominent in some early FPS, and became a staple that was intentionally left in. So in a sense it's like a callback to old tech.

Wasn't expecting the Mega Man X7 Flame Hyenard meme for the Scorch Shot's intro. Fitting, though.

Fun fact: as a person that literally mains with the force a nature, i must say that knocking enemies off a cliff is infact awesome

With the loose Cannon I will give a fun thing to mention: The damage from the Impact of the cannonball alone isn't that bad all things considered, doing 50 damage. This in of itself is nothing when a double donk is 131 or a direct pill on stock is 100 flat, but the cannonball also will travel through enemies, letting you do 50 damage to a bunch of enemies in a line, not taking in account the explosion or double donk crit. Like, you won't bludgeon a lot of people to death with it, but if you have a hallway full of enemies or an enemy up in your face, bonking them with the cannonball is pretty nice. also, the Loose Cannon can overcharge jump, but I am at 15:02 so you might mention that in a bit.

22:50 to feed my superiority complex!

20:13 Actually, if you hit a light class with the flare, the second bounce of it and they let the afterburn rough through, they WILL die in only one flare.

As a demoknight I FUCKING HATE the loose cannon because it just instantly stuns me and stops my charge

Little do you know, I deleted my Scorch Shot, so I CAN'T sell my soul for damage numbers

Scorch shot is really fun in MVM. As much as I love airblast in that mode, a sufficiently upgraded scorch shot can replace it completely.

Killing it with these videos, love this series

i tabbed out for 1 second and got jumpscared by elphelt's theme as i was thinking about it

you covered the FaN so well i’ve seen other videos talking about it but this one is defo the best i’ve seen

"some people might wanna watch the world burn but a true maniac likes to watch the fireworks" 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️

I'm the exact opposite, I love the Scorch Shot and never found fighting against it annoying but I got gripes with the knockback on the Force-a-Nature and Loose Cannon, mainly the Force-a-Nature's knockback in game feels really random where I can land a full pellet point blank shot and the enemy will move an inch but if I get grazed by a stray 3 damage shot I get sent to the other side of the map and the Loose Cannon's knockback being too strong, as the amount of times it's just completely nullified my movement is infuriating.

Elphelt mention

I’ve always thought the “Scorch” Shot should specialize in Pyro’s lesser damage method, Afterburn. What if instead of the explosive stuff and stun lock bs, we keep the knockback, but then amp up the Afterburn to the nth Degree, 10 Damage Per tick, Damages every half second instead of full second, lasts 15 seconds but loses it’s ability to mini crit. And despite firing faster, it reloads slower. Basically, making it a Molotov Cocktail Launcher!

ELPHELT VALENTINE REFERENCED 12:19

How to fix the scorch shot: Remove "mini-crits burning targets" and "destroys stickies" Give the splash's fire damage falloff with distance from the flare detonating ... Maybe give it bonus damage for how many players were caught in the radius, as a treat

I love the scotch shot, i have a kill streak one to

I like to call the force a nature the "Smart Boy scattergun". Also as a pyro main I must make my point on the scorch shot: despise the well deserved fame of being a no skill weapon, I found a new love in it when I decided to play aggressive with it. There are some really cool combo potential with akin to the force a nature wall locking. If you want to spice up your game with it, I strongly recommend you to try being really aggressive with it.

17:25 as far as im aware, u can't "double-tap" enemies with the detonator, since it explodes on impact

I did not expect a ptsd flashback to Megaman x7 from a tf2 video

don’t forget that a pyro can double donk themselves if you time it correctly

Reasons I, an aspiring Pyro Main, don't use the Scorch Shot: 1) The Thermal Thruster is way more fun 2) I need to learn how to aim 3) I have a painted and named Panic Attack 4) I don't like putting all my weapon eggs in one damage type basket 5) I respect the enemy team

Knockback weapons or as I like to call them, The "Wombo Combo" guns.

Scorch Shot can indeed one shot light classes, hit them with a direct, they get hit by the bouncing flare thus taking mini crit, wait out the full afterburn and bam. They dead unless they extinguish themselves

ngl i absolutely despise those who are good with the loose cannon soooo much that i would instantly leave a game if i notice one

There should be a new flamethrower that has increased knockback/airblast and ammo in exchange for a damage and after burn reduction.

All cannon users are secretly Serious Sam fans.

I've always felt like a decent rework for the Scorch Shot would be to make it so it doesn't do any damage on its own other than setting whoever it hits (directly) on fire without any explosion for splash damage, but also applies a special debuff that lasts as long as they are on fire that causes them to take mini-crit damage from fire weapons. This way you'd need to actually have good aim with it and it would be a setup weapon for you to get in close with your flamethrower after tapping an opponent with your scorch shot. It could also have really good utility in other ways, such as teaming up with a second pyro to perform a combo, or even lighting an ally Sniper's huntsman so that they can do mini-crit boosted damage with their arrow on body shots.

You forgot the shove

I actually don't also use the scorch shot almost ever despite pyro being my second most played class because it's genuinely his worse secondary. The detonator obsoletes it in almost every single way, even with the phlog. Detonator is way more consistent for building mmmph and the higher mobility is a necessity

I'm a pyro main and I love the scotched shot but I try not to use it to much as it can be a crutch. But the moment one good sniper shows up it's coming out, but never nerf it.

the scorch shot doesnt deal mini crit afterburn. thats false. and the detonator can also destroy stickies

I feel the scorch shot's AoE size and sticky-desctruction should be given to the detonator and its own reload be slowed.

12:26 is guilty gear strive a niche reference??? I am so deep in my fighting game tgirl circle that I don't realize most people don't know the guilty gear soundtrack immediately???

Even Fortnite loves the Force of Nature. The Dub (an exotic shotgun in Fortnite) is basically just the FoN in Fortnite

the scorch shot 1 shots light classes with a combo and full afterburn.

I heard "non damaging utility" in the pyro section and briefly thought it was an intentional jab at the gas passer

also guys remember to always combo the loose cannon with a shield and a good (fast switch speed) melee like the stock(or the pan) because if you double donk a soldier , a minicrit from the charge will like barely kill him and stickies won't because it's easier to combo dd into charge , or just double double donk that guy

12:25 omg its extras from guilty gear strive!! :D

loose cannon be like: *dopamine*

12:27 niche references SMH I would recognize extras: elphelts theme from guilty gear strive ANYWHERE

holy elphelt

Me using the Winger, Atomizer and Force a Nature (fly high little scout)

The my fav weapons.I think knockback on all weapons is what make it so satisfying and impactful to shoot at everything.

"Extras" is a pretty good pick! I'm more of "Drift" kind of guy myself, but 3rd season Strive tracks have been pretty solid so far. Can't wait to hear what the next two will be. Friggin' love the FaN though. Definitely not as reliable as stock but the knockback and 2-tap kills are always a fun time.

scorch shot is fun because you can harass snipers for virtually no cost and to me that's a good thing

The scorch shot is a good weapon for me but the other players is want the scorch shot becomes a detonator 2.0 but the question is why? If you think a nerf o rework the scorch shot and remove a simple one of the state of this weapon the result is a another detonator, that include if the remove de bouncing or knockback or the stun mecanic the scorch shot is becomes to detonator 2.0 or flare gun 2.0

scorch shot can kill sniper, engie, and scout with one hit + afterburn if they dont heal

When it comes to the scorch shot I will forever stay by the opinion that giving it the equaliser treatment by splitting it in half (one flare gun for bounce and the other for knockback) would probaby be the best approach. I really wish I had a knockback flare gun for combos and stuff without feeling like evil incarnate by holding that monstrosity of a weapon.

22:44 And I'm sure you do too *chuckles in Flare Gun* Maybe some viewers Not me

Any nockback where you can't surf is the problem (loose cannon and scortch shot)

I am a pyro main I do not use the scortch shot because i like the skillful nature and higher damage of his other flares

oh god the facestab at around 12:30

"fly away" reminds me of an anime made by drunk people

wait... why has nobody thought of making the scorch shot projectile slower?

Watching you point straight down the Force A Nature jumps hurts me. If you run fowards, look down at a 45o angle, then fire just as you jump, that gets you the most amount of height.

22:45 HAH, NOPE! I USE THE MANMELTER CAUSE I AM A FILFTHY CASUAL. B) or, ya' know, a shotgun or the detonator (Det Jump For Life) or gas passer if I am playing MVM

i see loose cannon and just think "why are we blocking?"

No one is going to talk about the double double donk at 12:47?

Fyi the detonator also removes stickies

12:51 filthy

I prefer the force of nature to the scatter gun

You forgot the alt fire for the Shortstop.

Am i the only one who hates being two shotted by a scout who ran into you in a straight line with F a N? I get it, you got ambushed and scout is a flank class but its really annoying just to fly away, get desoriented and then die to a guy that just saw you for a second

Im kinda surpirsed you didnt mention you can also rocket jump with the loose cannon by cooking the cannon ball all the way till it explodes in the chamber, which is pretty useful on hybrid knight