That Time We Broke Up... Twice 

“A good man is a man who is led by the Holy Spirit.” Amen, Preston.

it’s so funny because Jackie appears to be so hard on the outside but Preston makes her all mushy 🤣🤣 i love it

"I don't think I went to God... I went to my thoughts" - - is all of us at some point.

"People don't care what you know until they know that you care." That's a word🙌🏾🙌🏾

Preston pulling the “she’s a runner, she’s a track star” has me weakkkkkkkkkk 💀

The revelation behind this comment “I wasn’t able to see you for who you really were until I led you with love” was beautiful

31:37 Preston: "A good man is not a good man in & of himself. A good man is someone who's being led by The Holy Spirit." Great quote❣✝️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯🔥

I love y'all. "I'ma keep pursuing you." May every woman get to experience that type of love. So sweet

The “I didn’t have have a daddddd” cracks me up everytime lol

My husband and I just celebrated our 35th anniversary. I thank God it was a happy time. The past 6 years have been the worst of these 35 years. I'm speaking for myself. It wasn't till I started to truly pray for him, show him true respect, and truly love on him that our relationship is changing for good. Marriage is hard. Being selfless is a struggle. But God!

Preston just really wanted to see mangoes 🤣

His pastor stewarded their courtship and relationship. That's what gave Preston the courage to stick around even when she rejected him.

There were moments in this story where I was like ‘those are definitely some red flags.’ I think a lot of times we see red flags in relationships and quit so it’s amazing to see how your faith in God helped you to get beyond them.

There is so much emotional intelligence & respectful engagement in this dialogue. Love to see it☺️

“I had a car and you had a bus ticket is sending me” 😂😂😂😂😂they truly are friends

I felt that when Jackie said “I didn’t have a Dad to teach me how to receive love from a man”.

This podcast is the best 😂😂😂 the way Jackie and Preston be cracking jokes on each other lol

the friendship part of marriage is so important! I think many do not realize this

The dad part was real relatable 😭

6 mins in and I AM JACKIE AND SHE IS ME. “I was SCARED!” 😂😂😂 sis I AM SCARED. The fatherlessness is real.

Pause, 33:42 “There’s a difference between hard things and toxic things!” 😮 I want to thank y’all for being so open and transparent. I am a newly wed and I have to admit that I was a little afraid going into it because all I heard was “Marriage is hard” “Marriage is hard” “Marriage is hard” And that shook me…I started to get frustrated and think like what does that mean??? You mean I’m going to have to deal my husband doing any and everything just because “marriage is hard”??? I wanted no parts. Lol. Then I got married and my husband, I mean I could not have imagined him up, I mean I had a list 😅 but God exceeded my expectations 🙌🏾 Anyway, I decided to take notes on what was hard so I can explain it to others who may have the same question. This is long so I’m going to only mention one. I came into the marriage with a daughter who really adored him, but didn’t know how to embrace him. She lost her biological father at age 5. We stated dating when she was 9. So I was all she had and she didn’t want to lose me. So as she saw him getting close to me, she wanted to reject him, even though she reeeeaaally liked him! It was crazy. So I saw his heart break over and over again, and him being patient, and kind, and loving, and now they are inseparable and now she prefers him over me! Which I can handle that. Lol. But our family is so blessed! But THAT was hard. 😣 So there’s a difference from dealing with hard things in marriage versus toxic behavior! Thank you for putting words to my thoughts. 🙏🏾 Praise God for you two!

Perfect example of love keeps no record of wrong; in spite of the pain Preston felt, you still loved Jackie and made up in your mind you're still gonna marry her. Thats beautiful love which is a gift from GOD!!!

"I don't think I went to God, I think I went to my thoughts" ~ Jackie. Sheesh!! I've been working on this.

Okay. I know this podcast is about your relationship and breaking up and whatnot but... Jackie, you worked at Wendy's for 6 years? That's what spoke to me. I keep on trying to fast forward to where I think my ministry should be. What job I should have by now. And here you are growing in discipleship and love for the Lord whilst working at Wendy's. That's shifted my perspective about the goodness of God. Thank you 🙏 Continue...

"Oh yeah let's talk about that, I was a victim there too"😂 this has definitely become one of my favourite episodes

This was excellent, I needed to hear every word. I thought I was unlovable because of my “anxious preoccupied” style but Jackie was clearly avoidant and God still called Preston to love her through her messiness. It just let me know I could be loved anyway.

Their humour is sooo...infectious. 😂 "You threw me under the Bus...pun intended...😂"

God told me she was my wife, and tild her I was her husband, I pursued her, we broke up. Its been 3months now.... please pray for me family 🙏

It’s the “he even answers our raggedy prayers!” 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

Me sitting under a mango tree as I listen to this not knowing it's flex to see mangoes hanging in trees. 😂😂😂🙌🏾 Seriously though, loved everything about this conversation. 😍💆🏾‍♀️

How do we got 4 kids Jackie giggle because yourrrrrr Preston lost it. 😂😂😂😂😂

The fact they're so transparent is refreshing. He admitted to not being a good leader at the time of their courtship, and she was carrying a wound during their courtship and how she identified it. The fact they were able to work through it and come back together. Honestly the conversation was so needed.

“I had a car and you had a bus ticket.. jokes on you” that was cold lmaooo so petty

Wow Preston is so humble in explaining himself to you and the mistakes he made innocently.

I feel so seen every time Jackie articulates her experiences

I was sent this by a friend after I told her my partner and I separated .. again. I prayed two days ago for a sign from God that this man was my husband my happily ever after.. 2 minutes into this talk I saw my sign and again a few minutes later. It’s such a simple sign and yet it was so intense. Thank you for being a part of my sign and giving such a beautiful message.❤

“I didn’t have a dad” had me laughing then the “she’s a runner she’s a track star” SENT MEEE🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 - Wife on Hubby’s Account.

I been married 26 years. I’m a few months from 50 yrs old. I’m in awe of how you two have articulated your story. Continue to do what you all do. You’re blessing many💪🏽

Jackie: I didn’t have a dad. Preston: 😂😂 The sensitivity meter is in hell at this point lol.

28:23 this part is so beautiful because Preston exuded a pure and true example of God by texting Jackie “I love you” even though she had previously “rejected him out of fear.” Often times, we are often the “Jackie’s” to God….running away from His love and not accepting or believing that we are capable of being forgiven by God due to our mistakes, traumas, flaws, etc. And God is so faithful that he never fails to show us that there’s NOTHING that we could do or did do that could ever separate us from His love, grace, mercy, and goodness! Such a blessing!

"God wants us to model a love that would open people so they can be receptive to the truth that we give!"🙌🏾❤

😂😂😂 the way Jackie said I had a car and he had a bus pass 😩😩 I love them !!

Jackie had me thinking I was living in another dimension when she said they started dating in 2021 😅

When y’all brought the Gospel in at the end… my God I almost lost it. If God first loved us, then why can’t we love each other?

this had me ugly crying but at the same time it was very reassuring in that it reiterated that the Lord is very intentional about the people who He places in our lives.

Thank you Preston and Jackie for this. This podcast was definitely timely. I praise God for you both and your willingness to share your story which points your viewers back to Christ and His word.

1. I just found you Jackie and Preston and I love you both. 2. I’m from the Go and so it feels like being at home when you called her G, Preston. I mean there’s many meanings behind G for me but still it felt like a pizza puff and Harold’s met Baba’s. So thank you. We don’t hear that in Houston. We also don’t have pizza puffs in Houston either 😂. Send help. 😂 3. I was living as a lesbian for about 10 years from 18-28/29. I was basically kidnapped out of Chicago because I was going to die there…and my dad threw me in the car and we drove to Phoenix. On the border of New Mexico and Arizona, I asked God to take all my sin and when I tell you in an instance, He changed me. It was beautiful. It was purposeful. It was my first liberation of many strong holds He has lifted from me because of the faith I have in Him. 4. I struggle. I cannot find the desire to date or to put myself out there and the adversary plays with my mind and says it’s because I’m truly gay and I’ll never connect with a man. However I know the plans God has for me and there are plans of hope and a future. My best days are ahead of me. So…..can yall pray for me? I’m 39, single, no kids and I am strong in faith but sometimes, I isolate and so here I am. ❤ Thank you all for your work and for being obedient in your calling and being a blessing to all of us. Nicole

Love this story! And Jackie, Preston loves you and God destined him for you!! that’s why despite the arguments he wanted to marry you, he loved you despite your flaws and shortcomings just as Christ loves us despite the moments we mess up. It’s not illogical for him to want to have married you, you’re worth it for him!! He wanted you for you! Beautiful to see that and see a man submit to the Holy Spirit’s guidance. Grateful to God for your podcasts and marriage! Glory to God for that!!

I definitely feel this. Praying for a speedy restoration for my relationship with my ex.

Timing is everything, and this was right on time. God opened my eyes through this podcast that I am how Preston was back then, with my 16 yo niece now. In that I have been preaching to her on how to change her, instead of showing love to her to be open to truth. My intention has always been out of love for her, but in my own strength, which will NOT work. Thanks for the reminder to truly pray about it. Blessings!

Thank God He hears our raggedy prayers 😩🙌🏾

@ 29:32 Preston = "We was pure" Jacky = Kinda Preston and Jacky = "We was pure-ISH" I laughed so hard at that confession. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bless yall heart. This is why I watch yall podcast. Not because I seek the vulnerability. But because yall willingness to not paint a unreal picture inspires me to watch my tongue and be courages to speek out how I messed up aswell.

Jackie is me, I am Jackie. Recently started therapy and I also received that chart lol. It’s been really helpful. Also recently started dating this amazing man and I have to constantly fight the urge to push him away and run away.. it’s hard ngl. So encouraging to see it’s possible to work it out. Thank you so much for your transparency 🙏🏽

I love this conversation! The man can only become a husband when they depend on the Maker of the divine marriage. And thus the wife can open up to be be led. It comes to down to humility on both sides recognising the Power at work from God. Praise the Lord!

Wow, this is so encouraging and uplifting. I broke up with my husband twice before we got married, and like Preston, my husband prayed and listened to God and didn’t give up even when he had every reason to walk away… twice. Thank you for sharing your story. I thought my story was the only one, so it’s so comforting to know I’m not the only one who went through something very similar and how God continues to work in the unknown and in the fear.

That ending "bye y'all" was very important😂

As a wife of a husband that is becoming a pastor, it's getting really lonely and I've been in my feelings trying to be okay with not really seeing him often. Watching you guys brings joy and comfort in me. Giving me a message that it's going to be OK. Thank you and God continue to bless your ministry and BEAUTIFUL family ❤😊

“A good man is someone whose led by the Holy Spirit” 🔥🔥🔥

This really calmed me down about my breakup although me and him may never get back together this calmed me down that there’s hope I’ll find someone and look back years later laughing off of the past

The timing of this episode is definitely God ordained for me. I’m grateful to have heard it at this time and super thankful to be encouraged.

The ending sent me 😂😂😂😂 “how we got 4 kids can someone tell us to stop” Jackie: *no comment*

Y’all’s story is so relatable because I was afraid of my husband’s affection and intentionality when we were dating too…I literally ran away as he was divulging his feelings for me 💀 loved this one!

“We’re gonna see mangoes hanging from trees” took me out and I don’t know why 🤣🤣 2:00

The part where he sends 'I love you', broke something in me...What manner of love is that?!. Only in God.... Dear God, help me to love the way you Love me

I love y’all energy with each other. That is so me and my husband. We are best friends and play with each other and most people don’t understand us cleaning each other but it’s our love language.

"Get that outta you by my own strength..." and recognizing that God has to lead in everything. I'm in tears.

These two have captivated me April 2024. Much needed. To God be the honor and glory. 🙏🏿

Jackie and Preston are people of God for real 🥹🙏🏾 so life giving. Thank You Jesus

I heard a pastor say that God is always concerned about your own character first, not the other persons behavior to you. He is concerned about you first.

Beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing. "Correction is received better when the person has been loved first" 📌🎯

I love that Preston pointed out that "we're wholistic beings. Our physical being will affect the spiritual and mental, and vice versa." 🤯

Idk if anyone has said this, but i love how yall match each other and your home decor. The couch, picture frame and the pillows... just coordinating! ❤❤

One of the realest conversations I’ve ever heard on relationships. Thank you for sharing. Much appreciated.

@6:14 "She's a runner she's a trackstar" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Me and preston said it at the same time - And I laughed my behind off.

This ep is so good. Full of wisdom of longevity of relationship.

Relationships are work. You bring two people together with their different everything and it's work to have a successful relationship. Married 32 years! Speaking from experience.

A thinker and a strategist…that was so good! A reminder to Go to God first not my thoughts!

I just want to say you two’s relationship truly shows the BEAUTY of the gospel! God bless you both! I truly love this podcast & yes I’m the one who eats snacks & watches RU-vid lol. Thank you for yes & obedience! May the Lord continue to enlighten, encourage, & uplift you both 🤍

Thank you both for this “real”discussion on real life stuff! There’s not enough of it by those leading in church. It took me too long to realize that I was the walking wounded too long and wouldn’t take accountability. Wounded makes it hard to love, hard to relate. Therapy also has it’s benefits. (anyhew) I’m happy to see you both got through the issues and made it this far, GOD is our help. Truth is you both wanted to change and that’s a fact. I’m a mature woman that’s proud of you both. STAY TOGETHER!!!❤

😂❤I love the authenticity! I need real ministers in my life who show their realities. Too many ministers only show the good, like being a Christian will stop struggles and make everything perfect. Thank you both for being real!

Oh man😂😂😂 it's 01:17am in South Africa and I can't stop smiling, after laughing😂. As always, you guys bring powerful conversation that our Christian communities somehow shy away from. Thank you for listening to God🙏🏽 From beginning to end, you just kept it coming😂 I can't with you...I'm still waiting for the answer at the end Jackie😂, nah just playing❤❤❤Love y'all

1 thing for sure, he not only loves her, he’s in love with her. BIG difference! Reason why he fought for her. Let this be an example men, when you’re in love with a woman to pray and ask God for guidance, wait patiently and then obey His guidance; no matter who was right or wrong. The question is, “Do U see her as your wife, the mother of your children?” If the answer is clearly yes; then, ask her. Ask her to be your wife. He knew her ❤, but struggled to get in. WARNING!! Make sure its God talking and not lust, sex, or convenience.

The way "Lord, I need your joy" just resonated with me. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

“Yeah I didn’t have a dad.” 😂😂 Never related to dark humor more. “I shouldn’t be laughing at your fatherlessness.” 😂😂

My husband of 5 years, 2 years coming up in marriage are separated We agreed to attend a weekend to remember in November, our anniversary month I've been praying and searching for podcasts about marriage Christian based by couples Your podcast with the couple that mentor in the weekend to remember My heart started to open and soften I felt Joy and relief Hope and belief of Hope I called my husband to share and he is watching now Praise God and bless you 🙏 🙌 💖

This is excellent! Such an edifying, funny & yet mature discussion. Loved it!

She did have some healing to do. I think the start of the relationship brought that up to the surface. I can definitely relate. We ask God to clean our hearts and sometimes God uses people to help us see our hearts so we know what to bring before Him. How can our hearts be clean if we don't know what's in it or what healing we need. God wants to clean and heal our hearts. You guy's story touches my heart! Seeing God at work in your relationship is awesome to see!

I so love this side of you guys ❤

Their relationship is beautiful and so centered around God and their relationship with God I love it

Flamin the *sin* off that boy with the Radio Shack roasts 😂

I love how you all pressed through. Marriage is definitely work. I was just giving the Lord an earful when your video popped up and caught my attention. Thanks!

Man oh man was this a timely message. The Holy Spirit convicted me from this for sure. Thank y’all for your obedience.

“Everything that was hard dealing with issues with you, God was showing something in me” WHEWWW this conversation was so good! Your story portrays how Jesus loves US❤️

ABSOLUTELY, there are levels to the anger of a man and there is a specific aggression that women tread lightly..

This talk was about ALL relationships. It says a lot about the necessity of learning to forgive before marriage and of becoming the person who can solve some of the things we're asking God to do. People in a Godly marriage know what it takes to make relationships work, and I thank you Preston and Jackie for your wisdom and transparency that helps us heal all of our relationships.

I love y'all! This conversation was edifying, hilarious, and helpful... thank you.

I had a similar experience with an ex…but after the break up (and me not being able to process….or understand my emotions enough to express them verbally as well), our “reunion” was infected with passive aggressiveness and rejection towards me…due to the hurt I inflicted onto him. We never recovered after that. It felt like what I did (breaking up out of frustration/fear) was unforgivable to him in a sense…when I really just wanted to be met with love. I wanted to be seen past my brokenness and through the eyes of love. This just proves that God really needs to be the center. God is the one who guided Preston to lead with love…and not the hurt cause by Jackie’s rejection. To know someone loves you and can process through those difficult situations (and doesn’t switch up because of those bad days), is a love I feel we all would like to experience. This was a beautiful episode. I’m thankful I found this podcast.

Love this episode! Love the friendship, the humor, and transparency

"Lead with love" was everything for me. I started not to to listen to this podcast because of the title, buy you two dropped so many nuggets and wisdom on this 40 minutes. It has been one of those moments for me. You all gave words to my thoughts and some struggles. Praise Jesus🙌🏾!

I love this. ♥ Fun fact: I shared a flight with them a couple months ago from Atlanta to Houston