The 10 Worst Cy Young Robberies of the 21st Century 

those are all 6-year runs but yeah, i agree

That 3rd Cy young was probably his ticket to cooperstown

It's criminal that he fell off the ballot after one year.

He could have even easily had 4. What a stretch that was for him from 2004-2008

She definitely had a point

I definitely agree about 2012 and 2016 (as the video says) but I didnt mention 2018. Snell definitely was lacking in innings and Verlander crushed in in K's (though Snell still had well over 200), but his ERA was 63 points better, 53 points better in ERA+, won 5 more games, WAR 0.8 wins better, I don't think the voters got that one wrong

Yeah if he puts in a full season with an ERA at or around 2 he's got a great shot

I predict a sub 2 era this season for shota ​@@homerunproductions162

@@homerunproductions162I wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t win it because he doesn’t strike out as many people as Skenes or Jones

I wonder if he won the Cy in 2005 (which he DEFINITELY should have) and 2008 (which he definitely could have) if that would have tipped the scales in his favor, even despite his "short" peak

That doesn’t mean anything overall stats are more important

Stupid comment

No hitters may play a role in the voters' minds in a close vote

@@canaanlocke4375 so your saying two pitchers with identical stats but one threw a no hitter you wouldn’t vote for the no hitter pitcher

@@kurumauzamaki2731no because the other pitcher had more strikeout and lower era and fip which I usually wouldn’t care about

Aside from their win/loss records, Felix dwarfed Price's season

Ranger is on a mission. Look out for Imanaga and Glasnow

Abolutely the worst

Good point, a lot of this vote is based on the final impression rather than overall stats (like I mentioned with Arrieta)

Well on my upcoming MVP robbery video, Ichiro may not have deserved that award over Giambi. Close vote

That's very true. The 241 innings probably were the tipping point

I agree Lincecum deserved the awards even in 2008. Santana just had a good case

@@homerunproductions162 yea true, Santana was so good during the mid 2000s I really liked him. Wish his career lasted a little longer

clemens in 1990 was robbed pretty badly

Dave Stieb is the greatest pitcher no one ever talks about.

They have their own awards but nobody really hears about them

If youre gonna give the award to Alcantara over Urias I think you also gotta give it to Wheeler. Its that whole performance vs workload balance and they were inconsistent from year to year

Yeah the top 2 on here are far and away the most egregious

Its so hard to pit a reliever against a starter and try to compare them. Britton was ridiculous, but i still think a reliever should only take it if there's no deserving starter. I also think the top 2 on this list are far and away the most indefensible

Looking at the 09 stats the vote was only separated by 6 points. Lincecum almost doubled his strikeouts, 37 more innings, better WAR, but Carpenter led the NL in ERA and ERA+, 24 points better. Tough call. Funny that year Wainwright got the most 1st place votes and ended up 3rd

I limited this to the 21st century, ill probably go back and do another video looking back further. Im sure the older ones are even more horrifying

@@homerunproductions162 just don’t acknowledge me lol I didn’t read the title very well😭😂 recommend making one in Nolan alone it’s absolutely insane

I'll look into it, i actually am not aware of specific Nolan snubs

I agree, Ryan has been screwed out of the CY Young more than any other pitcher.

Yeah there are some crazy ones pre-2000, there was one year that Kevin Brown 100% should have taken it. I may look at earlier years later on

@@homerunproductions162 The one I despise the most is 1990. Bob Welch was a career no.2 and not even the best pitcher on his own team, yet won Cy Young bc he had the most mickey mouse 27 win season ever.

Back then 27 wins was such an automatic Cy Young win they probably didn't even look at the stat sheet. Clemens had such an insanely better season

@@homerunproductions162 Its like if Kyle Wright won Cy Young in 2022, when Max Fried was the real ace of the Braves that year.

Yeah no doubt, i dont think Kershaw slam dunk deserved it, but definitely had a strong case

You could have easily chosen Lester over Scherzer, but I think Hendricks was better than both of them

@@homerunproductions162 That’s a good point, the cubs three horses that hear were all incredible, esp the professor 🤓

Let's see...Ryan put in 30 more innings and struck out a stupid amount of batters, but his ERA was 47 points worse. Ryan also had a better WAR. I could see the argument but I still may have gone Palmer

that's a sucky reason to lose

That's a hot take, most baseball people think the hyper focus on W/L pre-2010 was the real travesty and I would agree. Why should lesser pitchers with better offenses get rewarded over better pitchers with bad run support? After all the award is for best pitcher, why should run support have anything to do with it?

It’s true, most baseball people (front office, coaches, agents if it works to their clients advantage), do agree W-L records are not as reliable a predictor of future success as ERA and Command Ratio. It’s also true that every starting pitcher worth his salt, with the possible exception of deGrom, believes Wins are the most important thing. They take the mound in the 1st either tied or ahead, their mission is to maintain that lead or tie, and get as many outs as possible. Win the game, celebrate afterwards with your actual teammates, not theoretical average replacement players. Baseball writers aren’t scouts. We don’t need them parsing abstract stats after the fact, trying to determine who the “best” pitcher was, the CYA should go to the most successful pitcher. Did you know that in 2018, the Mets were double digit wins over 500 in the games deGrom DIDN’T start, and four under in the ones he did? In 2010, Felix Hernandez gave up 17 unearned runs. Few if any reached base on an error, then scored on another error. Burnes had a great ERA, but pitched 18 fewer innings, and had 9 fewer wins than Urias, whose ERA was also under 3.00.

OK. I rewatched this and here’s the flaw in either your underlying premise or mine. We both agree IPs, AKA outs, are the context in which other starting pitchers’ stats are placed. You believe ERA is the most important thing, because starting pitchers can’t control what their teammates do or fail to do. Randy Johnson’s 14 losses and deGrom’s paltry 10 wins are sanctified by their glistening ERAs. You also give them bonus points for strikeouts which have already been counted as outs. Their added value or lack thereof will be reflected in runs allowed or IPs. You believe WAR is a valid stat. I believe ERA is a secondary stat, actually tertiary, as it absolves pitchers of their unearned runs allowed (Errors are closer to hits than outs). I believe in the mission, which is to get at least 15 outs, by hook or by crook and allow fewer or the same number of runs as your team has scored. I believe pitchers who win games BECAUSE they get support from their teammates are the greatest thing. At least on this Memorial Day weekend, you and I will always have Ranger Suarez.

Ok, you make an interesting point, and wins do imply a good performance and super important these days - a DEEP performance where you control the outcome of the game. But you can also track that by looking at how many innings theyre putting in which I put a lot of importance on. I think pitcher WAR is just one stat to consider, I don't put much weight into it. For me it's all about preventing runs from scoring so judging a pitcher is way easier than a hitter where OPS is probably the best one but there's a good argument for WRC+ and other stats to get the full picture...but for pitchers it's all about preventing runs from scoring and the other pieces will fall into place. Maybe they should have an ERA and RA for people who think "earned" runs are overrated

@@homerunproductions162 , and for me, it’s all about preventing the tying or go-ahead run from scoring, and getting at minimum, 15 outs. Games are self-contained events, where only wins, losses, and no-decisions are possible.

Hmmmm, as of right now, let's go with Wheeler for NL, and Skubal for AL

super cooked

someone ever tell Lyles that pitching is like golf? the lower the score the better...

Pedro had a good case minus the innings gap

Absolutely right, but I think 30 innings is a lot, 50 innings is a mile, 80 innings is just an insane gap

So, in YOUR opinion, who got robbed?

@@homerunproductions162gerrit cole 2019 and verlander 2016 everyone else is justified (maybe when Robbie ray won he’s a fraud that should of also gone to cole )