The 100 Meter World Record: The Impossible Mystery Of Florence Griffith Joyner 

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Plus the actual claim by another US athlete that he sold her drugs.

you say 'casts a shadow'. I say 'she cheated'

@@ssarmazi allegedly her heart issue was something congenital, allegedly she never knew about it. however, the other issues are cause for suspicion on drug use.

look at every profile arguing in favour of Flo, I wont say why they are bias.

It’s documented that previous efforts as a runner,were average times and no where near fast times.We know how she then attained world record times in the olympics? Unfortunately this lady then died at a young age and no medical doctor has sworn what she died of?

@@JenSumma Now at the top level you have to have a blood passport. That means 20ml blood samples every week. That is to monitor levels of hormones, precursors, metabolic products, stimulating hormones (like FSH and LH, both have key roles in men as well as women) and other things looking for changes over time that are not self consistent. It is a much more rigorous regime nowadays.

EPO is absolutely an in competition substance. Cyclists used it during the races to carry more red blood cells which should carry more oxygen. Furthermore, you are behind in your steroid knowledge. There are exceptionally fast metabolized steroids that can be used in competition during an event and will be out of the system quickly after,

@@metaforcesaber firstup you don’t seem to understand how EPO acts. It works by stimulating the bone marrow stem cells to produce red blood cells. This increases the number of red blood cells in the blood a week or two after administration. That increased level of blood cells will then last a couple of weeks. EPO is definitely a “training” drug as its effects persist long after the “drug” has left the athletes system. It is not an in competition drug, one that has to be taken on the day of competition to give its effect, like caffeine, adrenaline antagonists like amphetamines or salbutamol, or diuretics. A cyclist wouldn’t carry a syringe of EPO in their back pocket the way Tommy Simpson was found with 2 empty amphetamine tubes and one full one in his jersey pocket on the day he died on Mont Ventu. The same with the quickly metabolised anabolic steroids which again don’t have a biological action important in competition as they are antagonists of muscle building hormones which act by enhancing training stimulation rather than by changing physiological processes during an event. Unless you are confusing metabolic steroids, like cortisol agonists which still have their effects during recovery or prolonged exercise (several hours) and are utterly pointless for sprinters, with anabolic steroids. Besides which we were talking about the situation in 1988/89 where most of these things, including EPO, were not available and things like growth hormone and EPO were undetectable as they are indistinguishable from the metabolic produced hormones. Mind you if Flo-Jo was taking human growth hormone during the mid eighties she was lucky to die when she did and avoid the likelihood of CJD in later life as it was obtained from human cadavers and was often contaminated with prions.

@@JenSumma does your ex know you still comment about him and how his piss tests would scare YOU? doesnt make any sense. also the guy's came to a conclusion and has his own opinion. if you come away from this thinking nothing your brain is just empty

if she was taking peds so was all the other runners and she still beat them

possible doping

Several of them ran lifetime best times in that race.

Flying on drugs.

@@squatch545 you say that like the other competitors weren’t.

It's called cheating.

@@Listenclose2024 it would be very statistically weird for that to happen twice in a row and then never again, and the fact that most runners in both races pb'd by a big margin makes the side wind explanation a bit weird imo since it's still a disadvantage to runners

So why is flo Jo the only one who ran that fast? I mean did the wind not affect the other runners?

So what does that have to do with anything? Who cares you people will discredit her until someone breaks it then when they break it I hope y’all give them hell just like that did Flo Jo.

@@ronnieyoung2075I think the point was the wind took Flojo, who in 1988 was a 10.6 runner, to a 10.4 runner. It helped the other runners too but they were all much slower than she was.

@@CHEETAH69 I don’t think that’s the case. She is the only runner to pb in that race. Not even the world record holder , Evelyn ashford, prior to that race ran a pb

Amazing. Beautiful. Sprinting perfection.

And juiced to the gills

​@@rajendranadarajan8931not juiced at all unless you're talking about orange juice. Can't give excuses for people who are just great.

​@@rajendranadarajan8931prove it.

@@anthonyeames4678 Juiced with steroids!

Exactly! She’s at 10.54

She cheated. Just accept it.

Don't beat about the bush - they were all doping, simple as.

Women in the 80s where different 😅

@@trishennaidoo1309 I feel like there may be some real specimens in the generation today that we haven't discovered yet tbf

@@Solomon_C yeah probably but they will look like Powell in a wig and not like Women.

@@trishennaidoo1309 They'll have to be muscular and powerful for sure. A lot of super-fast and fast twitch muscles would also help, lol

Asafa Powell also has flawless technique

With that technical technique so call knowledge you got you should be the record holder

@@peterhall823 usain bolt had other advantages that overcame his imperfect form

If you go a little bit higher, David Rudisha had a pretty amazing stride, he looked so effortless in any race from 400 to 1k, but ofc is a whole different history sprints and middle distance

​@peterhall823 and Michael Jordan should be greatest gm but doesn't work that way.

You may of course be correct. However, many athletes continue competing despite illness and giving birth. Have you also considered other and obvious reasons why FloJo quit?

Don't forget the introduction of better testing at peds off season

Or that she tested positive and it was covered up after the massive embarrasment in the men's final.

Adding a third, which is her stated reason: she got sponsorship and business opportunities that paid significantly better and were less physically demanding than running.

Also she was already in her late 20s and had gone to two olympics. I really don't find it that suspicious. We're so used to the modern olympics where athletes compete for multiple olympics, people forget athletes used to burn out much quicker

And the 800 wr to

Both 400m and 800m records need to go

The 200, 400 & 800m were ran by drugs cheats, but it can't really be proven. The 100m can be proven that it should have never been ratified.

You watch Koch run her WR time and it’s just insane. There’s no way she wasn’t loaded to the gills with drugs.

Every Woman's WR from the 100-800m are equally worthy of scepticism! There's also the flat 3000m WR by Wang Junxia & a number of other Chinese athletes in Sep '93, as well as the Women's Shot Put & Discus WRs!

The report by Linthorne mentioned in the video goes into quite a bit of detail estimating the actual wind assistance during the race. It was much more than 0.05 seconds.

This is where I fall too. It just seems like some people can't deal with the fact that a record has not been broken for them to see. It will fall eventually and those people will cheer it on, but it won't take away the sheer brilliance of Mrs Joyner's performance and her mastery of her craft.

Okkkkkk, I Agree 👍🏽 💯

The year 1988 exposed may athletes in multiple sports doping with steroids and other performance enhancers. I believe Ben Johnson had his gold medal stripped that same year including Marion Jones soon after. It was the era of steroids and I believe many athletes got away with using it especially track & field, biking and baseball. We will never know exactly who and to what extent but we do know it was a major stain in sports history. It wasnt just the US and USSR but it was world-wide. From the lethal and fatal AIDS virus that instantly killed many to world-wide use of steroids that made people feel like immortals. The 80's was a crazy and epic time in human history especially in sports.

​@@Qdub34Her legal 10.61, which was the record until 2021, was still absolutely ridiculous. That 1988 season was extremely fishy, and her early retirement only supports that idea. But until proven otherwise, that 10.61 remains as one of the fastest runs in history, and it happened more than 30 years ago. And obviously, she has the 200 record still

Can say the same for Marion Jones, but she admitted to doping.

@@reginald8947 She wasn't nearly the runner FloJo was and she was twice as muscular.

WTF does your grandfather have to do with the controversy of steroids in T&F?

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Just because somebody dead don't mean they above scrutiny of PED use

@@ricki-bobby is your name actually ricki bobby 😆

@@ricki-bobby is this the real ricki bobby or a knock off ?

Steroids baby

@@Ishbikes. Steroids doesn’t affect technique.

@@IshbikesSteroids don’t help technique or speed

@@urtheboss1 steroids don’t help speed??? 😅 are you serious

@@Ishbikesthe person is talking about TECHNIQUE, nothing to do with steroids. Read S-L-O-W-E-R next time.

A guess ~ 20 or 30 years down the line there'll be incredulity 'we' were able to disregard common sense and overwhelming circumstantial evidence ~ but an acknowledgement that, in what was effectively a level playing field, it was a technical masterpiece. We will look silly; FJ will look 'just beautiful' albeit staggeringly juiced.

Exactly 💯 Flo Jo did nothing wrong, no PED, nothing. Her legacy stands on its own merit. She was just better than her competition, and her competition wasn't shabby either 🔥💪🔥💪

What a sad way to own a world record, setting the record controversially, dying controversially. It feels like she paid the price for cheating. You can fool us, can't fool God though.

​@@reginald8947Sad is all the wrong scrutinnay!!! She ran what she ran. When the runners are down in the blocks the wind is blowing into their faces! It also blows underneath a runners top when she lowers her head! The official standing behind them has his flag raised above his head and it too is blowing directly back in the opposite direction of the finish line! Meaning they ran into the wind or by the time the gun sounded the wind for 10 seconds had lifted and there was none to measure! That cannot be ruled out! The clock says 10.49 and that's what she ran!

@@Parker3Curry30 14:20 you didnt even watch the video. talking out your ass. also youre bias because youre black

That is the prettiest stride I have ever seen. Ashford was FAST but you see them from the front, easy to believe FloJo was REALLY FAST. Just beautiful to watch.

Steroids can't do anything for what you're talking about. She's the best for one reason. Her technique. It's separated her from the rest of her competitors. But let's not forget she also smashed the 200 M record. Flo Jo was flexible and Powerful with great technique. 5 ft 7 in and only 127 lb of perfection

@@charlesdee63your forgetting Ben Johnson and the Carl Lewis race. Steroids will improve your times. Flo Jo was not considered top tier till end of her career . Her gains would not come from new methods of training. The excuses of her physique drastically no changing would not come from 5,000 sit ups a day. Another thing is her acceleration would be pure power and not technique . Women run different from men. The anatomical structure of the hip, pelvis and etc., in males and females prohibit women competing with men’s times. I was running the best women’s times in the 11th grade. Isn’t it suspicious when she retired? Wouldn’t you want to try and best that record or the 200? Then upon her death you cremate the body. In the Black community back then… wasn’t a popular thing to do. Remember Barry Bonds and Mark MCGuire , as you age as an athlete reflexes, hand eye coordination start to degrade. Bonds became Ponce De Leon.

Absolutely 100% correct. Flo-Jo's real secret was her technique. She's textbook flawless. It takes a LOT of training to achieve that, PEDs help with building muscle, improve oxygen uptake, and decrease recovery times but they do nothing to aid technique. Only extremely repetitive training can do that. As a sprint coach I use Flo-Jo's videos as a training tool, showing the kids that this is what you are aiming for in terms of sprinting form.

Cut the crap. She was good in 84' and her form was definitely matched. It only takes a few minutes to research her PED use if you decide to seek the truth.

She was an okay-runner, always left in the wind of Evelyn Ashford. I was a sprinter, and we all knew that girl who was always the bridesmaid and suddenly became the bride was mad suspicious - even at the time. I didn't recognise her world record because I thought it was fake. Nearly 40 years of time have not changed my mind.

Gifted hard working and juiced.

It's not a documentary if it's one sided.

@@Qdub34 - I would agree, however, as a trained STATISTICIAN, I trust math! At 17:32 Chapter 4 shows how all the other competitors in the two 0.0 wind heats that day broke their own best records by a significant amount. Hence; we'd call this an 'outlier' of our data points, even considering standard deviation for good/bad days of racing. Everything else is pure crap, speculation, and/or hearsay. 📈📊💹📈

I agree with @GunnWrights, it's the wind. There was probably an error with the instrument. Flo-Jo was very very lucky! It was not drugs, all other suggestions are mere speculations and should be discounted.

People have the wrong idea about steroids. They think they are some kind of "speedy juice" that an athlete can take before a race to make themselves fast. It just doesn't work that way.

@@Qdub34 If not, what is it then? And what's the other side, just don't believe in anything?

she passed away at 38, and it was something odd like a seizure.

one child. a daughter. she died in her sleep of an epileptic seizure.

I remember it like you. Seems like a reach

She won the 1988 Olympics in September/October of said year. She then retired from the sport 5 months later in February 1989. She got pregnant a year later in February/March 1990 and gave birth in November. The “side implication” is definitely valid!

@@i1mzshe could have just retired because she won her golds and wanted to start a family with her husband

You know, you just don't want to admit it and ruin the illusion but you know.

@@basquat76exactly..Marion Jones didn’t even break the record. And she took 5 medals, she still didn’t break it juiced up. This is ridiculous, they know what happen. It’ll NEVER be broken because all the wind, the roids etc it’s sickening

Beautifully written

@@basquat76know what?

@@Ishbikessickening! You seem to have anger issues.

So basically we've been had. Looking at those flags move like crazy ( Including the one an official is holding at the start line) due to wind proves they lied. The record should be scrapped.

This is my question too, what were the other runners times, comparatively.

@@travisolson3018 there's a paper written by a university to the IAAF where you can read that, not only all the athletes ran faster in those QF than in semis or final, but that all but 2 (one of the Gail Devers, which prime would come in years after, and the other Evelyn Ashford, whose prime was 4 years before this olympic qualifiers), had their PBs in those quaterfinales. they ALL had their season best for sure and all but 2 had their personal bests....

Carl Lewis in that weekend in Indianapolis ran 9.78 on the 100 m with too strong tailwind ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MVRl8gihrHM.html. Flo Jo's sprinting technique = the bes ever , but most definitely the wind was blowing way too hard and most likely Florence doped big time. Btw Carl Lewis doped also like all the Seoul 100meter finalists !!

​@@bertuskamphof3132u saying all this with no proof of anything just throwing 💩against the wall hopping🙏it sticks🤦

Great point

He is the best even Athing Mu is on par to break record. His wife still holds the record in the heptathlon.

Yeah, the "sole" reason 🙄 💉

@razzendahcuben if you really believe that Jamaicans aren't juicing then you're plane stupid. It's nothing but entertainment these days.

Bob Kersee’s athletes were doped. That he was her coach raises issues of doping it doesn’t answer them. Daryl Robinson’s testimony was correct.

Joy ner

That is not conclusive evidence. That doesn't give a wind reading of speed or direction. Just saying the wind is blowing is not enough.

@@Qdub34It is additional evidence that the wind-gauge may have been faulty, because it read 0.00. Regardless of the wind's direction that has to be wrong. I agree it is not conclusive evidence of either wind-speed or direction, and of course I did not say that was the case.

so the wind only helped her time???

@@troyrodgers9790 the video clearly shows that most of the athletes benefitted. Triple jump record was not allowed, but 100m record was allowed??

Don't get why they didn't just admit the wind gage broke

it does.. the first two races were side winds... the last was a tail wind

The wind readings for the Men's Triple Jump (28:18) are also very revealing, as there was a grand total of 3 wind valid jumps in the entire competition, which sort of proves it was windy in the stadium on that day, and it varied between 7.0 and 1.0 m/s. As the Triple Jump runway is next to the home straight of the track, was it the same wind meter used for both the 100m and the Triple Jump? if so that would indicate erroneous readings for the two QFs in question. It would have been helpful, if at all possible, to put a time line against the jumps to build up a picture and to see what wind speeds were being record for the triple jump around about the same time as when the QFs were run. incidentally the Joyner in the Triple Jump was Flo-Jo's husband Al, I wonder what he thought about the 0.0 m/s wind speed recording?

this is what the speed of light looks like

Perfect doping lol

Her sprint form is perfect. 😤💪🏆

She could hold her fastest 10 m split times up for 40 m or a little more. Most men are lucky they can hold that for 15 m. It's all to do with her running technique. She had the best technique in the history of sprinting

Exactly.... her stride was AMAZING!!

All are fake and shameless lies, and that brainless born mental youtuber is the worst ever and She just ran at 33 kph 😂😂😂 which is totally nothing infront of real life hardworking fastest and strongest super hero women and boys (somewhat) in the world, and that dummy lady is nowhere near to an physically strongest & emotionally powerful will power having most determined and m beautiful iron lady or women in the world who are/is leading the life as a boss 😊

It's not the duration of contact but the amount of force by which you hit the ground that determines how fast you go.

Yes, she did. Her feet barely hit the floor, and her strides were wicked long.

shes way better than the cheaters in her time. I just dont know if shes better than Elaine if Elaine aint cheating

Facts.

My favourite is right at the end when he said even after Flo-Jo’s death her body was examined and tested and tested for the presence of a possible use of drugs or changes physiologically etc but nothing was found and she never tested positive either throughout her life. Flo-Jo is a freak of nature and some individuals have unusual genetic gifts. Just judging by how her fingernails grew to 12 inches and she had to cut them to size just tells us all. She was like an avatar who had something extra and her serious core training brought the best in her to that point (& she could have gone faster because it was just the beginning of having discovered the perfect sprinting technique). Note must be taken that she was actually training for the Marathon (1996 Olympics) when she developed epilepsy so it put paid to her plans. Her husband said she achieved everything she put her mind to.

Yes this channel is amazing. This dude deserves to be wealthy. This is better than professionally produced documentaries with huge corporate budgets. Again, to the guy who runs this channel, thank you for sharing your passion about athletics with us.

​@@kojoharrison630I am more convinced that a high wind reading gave her that unrealistic time of 10.49. There is no way that the wind speed was 0.0 on that day only for her race. The instrument was at fault and they were to petty to admit it.

@@kojoharrison630THANK YOU! I LOVE FLO JO JUST LIKE CARL LEWIS AND USAIN BOLT. THESE ARE ALL FREAKS OF NATURE LIKE THE RECORD HOLDERS OF THE POLE VAULT, AND DISCUS, SUPERHEAVY WEIGHT OLYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTER GEORGIAN TALAKHADZE FOR THE MALES. IT WAS ALSO TOUGHER IN THE 1980’S AS THET WERE AMATEURS WITH LOWER TECH. THE TRACK ENGINEERS OF THE PAST 6 OLYMPICS SAID THAT THE TRACK IS MUCH FASTER TODAY INCREASING THE TIME OF ATHLETES. EVEN USAIN BOLT ADMITTED THE TRACK TECH GIVES THE ADVANTAGES TO ALL THE ATHLETES TODAY. EVERYONE IS A PROFESSIONAL NOW WHO GETS THE BEST OF EVERYTHING

He has made that video. search.

All those 80's records were tarnished by steroids. The advances testing has weeded out the cheats, Americans and Europeans alike

Yup

And the much villified gwen torrence who also stated same.

I guess the wind blew only on lane 5 huh

De Merode, the chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, said Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use. De Merode said, Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing. The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion."

​@@AEdavirginOther women in that race also ran personal bests. It says so right in the video.

Flo has admitted to using steroids in her past, and died from very suspicious circumstances at a very young age that is linked to steroid abuse. The common type of death in bodybuilding due to enlarged hearts due to steroid abuse.

it was the triple jump and the video shows that precisely

FloJo leap in performance in 200m is 6 tenths of second in 1 year. Unheard of especially from a veteran athlete.

Yeah but you have to also take into perspective the methods of training they used back then. During that time period, they still went by the belief that running on the inside of the curve helps you run a faster time when in today’s world it doesn’t, along with other techniques such as re acceleration. And despite that she managed to improve by .62, a margin of the WR that hasn’t been contested in even the 400 and 800 women’s WR’s. The reason why people like Usain Bolt did not care too much for world records was the fact that he knew as technology got better and new methodologies developed after his career was over. But yet it’s been 34 years to the day and yet the WR has been relatively uncontested with the exception of Elaine running a 10.54 that was she hasn’t really been able to back up since the day. Case in point is just it seems so unlikely that someone can break the record by that margin without other factors being involved

@@lynchdavid2194 Usain Bolt dropped half a second off his 100m times between 2007 and 2008 and no one ever accused him of anything. It's not unheard of at all. If you watch any of Flo-Jo's early races in her career she shows plenty of raw speed but her technique is rubbish, her arms are crossing over, her torso and head are wobbling, her knee lift is quite low. All things that are shifting movement into areas other than forward, which costs time. She still got a silver medal in the 200 in 1984 Olympics despite that so she had good speed. When she returned to the track in 1987 after a couple of years out she began training super hard with her husband Al Joyner who put her through a rigorous series of strength and technique routines. he obviously recognised her potential and set about trying to unleash it, which he clearly did. When you watch her in 1988 her technique is completely changed - she's almost perfect textbook form, which is VERY hard to achieve. She must have worked insanely hard to reach that level of perfection. There are pictures from her training in that era with a massive tractor tyre tied around her waist pulling it down the track, and running up flights of stairs over and over and over. Her training routine did not fuck around, that's for sure, she was hard core. It's also well known that she often trained at 400m, which increased her endurance in the 200, the 6 tenths improvement she made can almost wholly be attributed to that. There is another famous sprinter who did the same thing more recently and it worked insanely well for him too - the aforementioned Usain Bolt. If you want to improve your 200m speed then run some 400s. It works. I was a track and field athlete as a younger man and I still participate at my local club, I also do a bit of sprint coaching. I know very well how hard it is to not only achieve perfect technique, but to have done it enough times that it becomes muscle memory. It's almost impossible to achieve. Technique matters, and Flo-Jo was the best example of this by a good margin. She had singular focus and unbreakable determination. This is exceedingly rare even among elite athletes. The other more recent sprinter who springs to mind with excellent technique is Justin Gatlin. Yes he's had his drug problems, but watching him run it's possible to see how he achieves his speed - he doesn't have as much raw speed as most of his competitors but his technique is flawless and for him it makes enough of a difference. If you train hard enough and be extremely disciplined in your technique you can drop half a second in a year no problems. I could provide a list of athletes who have done the same thing. It's not uncommon at all. Some of the kids I've trained have dropped more time than that when they start training hard. I had one kid who went from mid 12s to mid 10s in a year and a half, and he wasn't even training every day so it's absolutely do-able and not unheard of at all. Did Flo-Jo use PEDs? I dunno. Probably. So did everyone else in that era. The Russians and East Germans had state sponsored programs, the GDR gave some of their female athletes so many steroids that some of them are now men. No kidding. They turned women into men with anabolic steroids. And yet Flo-Jo still beat them. At the very least all she did was level the playing field. Her true secret was technique. No woman has ever attained that level of sprinting discipline since, which goes some way to explaining why her record has remained unchallenged.

The most compelling evidence the race was wind legal was the equipment said 0.0, why ignore the equipment and the judges?

everyone there knew it wasn't a legal wind, and her improvement also means she was juiced.

I don’t run at all but the way She moved was sublime an absolute joy to watch

11 flat to 10.4 is insane tho you gotta admit that

@@YaBoiJern757 no its not.. bolt ran 10s and his record is 9.58 in 100m people just eventually hit their peak after a certain amount of races

Congratulations, with her style you are in your way to set a new world record. Except youre not, unless you use steroids.

@@Qkazamit’s still insane. usain bolt isn’t exactly a comparison of normal track abilities hahaha

Many people also believe that Donald Trump is the POTUS in 2023, but...

No. She died of a seizure.

stop lying!!! that was not her cause of death, she had a seizure while sleeping and the autopsy showed NO abnormalities, meaning no enlarged heart!!

thanks

the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.

I agree. its a ghostly record

​@@user-zu8sl4lc4i A statement from FloJo and her husband, Al Joyner: “I know exactly what people say about me,” she said. "And that's just not true." I don't need to use drugs. If they want, they can come for testing every week of the year. I have nothing to hide." Her husband says all the talk boils down to jealousy. He said his wife's astonishing gains are the result of being "trained as a man." He added: “We bought a $150 leg exerciser and she did leg rolls every night. Over 20 pounds every night to add strength to your legs. She worked 12 hours a day.” Only those who have nothing to hide say so. Do 12 hours of leg training a day for months and you'll set the world record. 👍💪

doing it without wind and PEDs will make it all the more incredible

@@AlonsoRulesshe didn’t use PEDs

@@SedB101 🤣😂🤣

10.49 not 11.49

@@omniexistus I stand corrected 10.49 is the world record. I cant wait until the olympics to see if Shacari, Sherika, Sherry Anne or Elaine can challenge that world record that will be a fast race.

@@gabrieleriva651 if that is true it was never proven

What was the time for the second finisher? Flo Jo was well clear.

So were Ben johnsons

Not to mention all the high wind readings for other events that day.

Hmmm...

@@forrestgump3909 for sure, but even recently I've seen some 'high wind' races and the women had the same gliding/flying look as FloJo does in her WR clip. It's pretty obvious I think for anyone that's watched enough of these races.

Not really, she is mostly remembered as the doped runner with tailwind. That record time showing every time at any women's 100m is the worst part of any athletic event for me. Everyone knows that number should have been scrapped, but it was the 80's, no one cared about honesty, especially when it was an American breaking records.

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Dude, every single T+F athlete during the 80's was juiced up to the eyeballs. Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster". Olympic officials said that if they hadn't under rug swept DOZENS of tests, then 1/2 the gold medals in the mens sprint and hurdles events woud have been denied. Was she juiced? Probably. Was EVERY ONE ELSE? EQUALLY probably. What u wanna do? Go back through history and remove everyones records?` They asked 1000 top internation athletes, just a few years back, if they could take a drug right now that would 100% sure win them the gold medal at the next Olympics, BUT they would only have 4 more years to live after winning, would they take it? Over 70% said YES. You aint gonna stop the juicing, ever. Sad but true.

Pretty much. It's a shame too as she was an incredible athlete regardlessly, elegant and powerful. But she was clearly 'enhanced'.

@@tubey84 Her legacy would be far more enhanced if they decided to make that WR invalid. It is that performance, those of the other runners during those two fateful races that shroud over her more than anything else. She truly would've been better off without it. Saying that, her bank account probably disagreed.

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They could run a 10.53 tho 😂

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The next women’s 100m WR holder would be someone capable of going 10.5 or lower.

@@jwellsmediainc.4593 Other than in the men's 100m in the Bolt era & Flojo records normally fall by 0.01 so I'd say this is false. Like Carl Lewis had the record at 9.86 I believe at some point, someone ran a 9.85 years later, then Donovan Bailey ran a 9.84, I think that's the more normal trajectory. So the person to beat Elaine Thompson could run a 0.52 or 10.53, then someone could run a 10.50 or 10.51, it could be multiple people under 10.54 before a 10.49 is beat.

@@richardgallimore5976 In the men’s 100, since 1975 the average is about .03 with each improvement on the previous record. The women’s 100 is tricker, but in the same period, prior to Flo Jo the improvement was like .038, which rounds up to a 0.4 improvement. Considering if someone improves on Elaine’s 10.54 by at least .04, that would put them at about 10.5. And in the real world that person may not run an exact 10.5. I’m taking into account if that persons runs within .02 hundredths of a second of 10.5 which would still fall within the average world record progression prior to 1988.

This is my take. Her actual 100m PB without the wind aided 10.49 is 10.61, so she held that WR for 30+ years until Elaine Thompson Herah ran a 10.54 & Flojo is now 3rd all-time as Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce ran a 10.60. Her 200m time still remains & I'd say her 21.34 is slightly higher caliber than her 10.61 which makes sense as it's still the WR & last one was the first time that it's been under threat when Shericka Jackson ran 21.45. It also checks out that her 200m is as good as it is as she had crazy speed endurance (the 4x400m US National record is still from the 88 Olympics & Flojo was on that squad with a sub-48 split) +10.6x speed.

Flo Jo used drugs the massive improvement in times that happened between 87 and 88 just don't happen with just training. She never failed a test but that means nothing back then as it was so easy to cheat the tests back then.

@@richardgallimore5976 It's like you climbed into my brain and typed what i was about to. Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.

​@PimpDaddyStyles if Flo jo is a cheat so is Frazier Pryce nobody gets faster that late in a career.

​@2017NationalChamps Frazer Pryce has been running low 10.7s for years, she changed coaches and hence the difference. Flo-jo's jump was twice Shelly's jump, not comparable

ALL of the athletes ran SLOWER in semis and finals than in quaterfinals, and semis and finals were {legally} wind aided +1.6 m/s and +1.2 m/s, whereas QFI and QFII read 0.0.... when they ALWAYS run faster in finals and semis than in quarters... and thats for ALL the athletes in those races, not just FloJo... thats not even statistically replicated. 10.61 was the real WR and makes perfect sense with here other times of 21.34 and 10.54 (+3 m/s). She was crazy fast, just not 10.49 legal fast.

@@ochoymedio78 if you’re saying they all ran faster in the other rounds than semis and finals, then you’re saying they lacked proper round management. This would also mean they ran slower in the final because they burned out, right? In that event, she ran a slightly windy 10.54 with 3MPS wind. So, with your logic, you’re claiming she was slower, but your explanation would mean she could run FASTER, not slower!

@@stevie586 not at all, I'm saying its statistically impossible that ALL athletes ran slower in semis and finals UNLESS the wind in QF was stronger, which it was for QFIII (5 m/s) and also for QFI and QFII (0.0???). Bad round management for everybody? C'mon... And besides, maybe you don't know, the finals (+1.2m/s) were on the next day.... so they were fresher and eager to run faster as it is ALWAYS the case for a finals in an olympic trial. Is evident that the wind gauge placing was defective for the QFI & II, so they moved it and started working properly again, as this video states. The 10.54 with 3m/s is totally logic with her 10.61 +1.2m/s. FloJo was a 10.60 fast, not 10.49 fast.

@@ochoymedio78 I think you’re manipulating the contents of the comments to claim a certain result, but you’re not making sense to me. It is not statistically impossible for them to run slower in the finals, because that happens all the time. Furthemore, if a person runs an extremely fast time never previously run, that person will tear certain muscle fibers which needs much more than just one day to recover! Anyone who understands how the body and recovery work knows this, and back then, people ran the rounds too fast. I think you’re doing extreme speculation on the wind. I provided excellent examples for comparison’s sake with the wind readings of Gail Devers. We see two examples of Gail Devers running certain times with certain wind…one being an identical time with 2.1 wind (hardly illegal), and the next being much faster than 3.0 wind, and here you are speculating 5.0 wind! LoL…that’s a very big difference and if you think she could run 10.60/10.61 legal and this was with 5MPS wind, with we all knowing she said she ran her absolute hardest here, that would be a time conversation of 10.38, not 10.49! Although I can agree with you there may have been more than 0mps wind at some point, you are grossly exaggerating 5.0 wind and understating her relent tremendously! I further support my statement by addressing her rounds in the Olympics, where let’s not forget, she ran that 10.62 Olympic record with 1mps wind not running her fastest. 10.62 with 1mps converts to 10.68 with 0mps. 10.68 with 2MPS is a legal 10.54. 10.60 with 2MPS converts to 10.46 in Seoul and 10.47 in Indianapolis. Either way, at worst, FloJo running maximum effort with 2.0 legal wind still puts FloJo at 10.4X either way! So, respectfully, your math isn’t mathing at all. However you got 5MPS wind and 10.60 legal best just doesn’t add up.

@@stevie586 1) you are wrong, show me ONE final AND semifinal where ALL the athletes run slower than in the quaterfinals, you said it happens "all the time"... ok, just show me one example FloJ semifinal was 10.70 with +1.6m/s and her final was 10.61 with +1.2m/s..all LOGIC 2) I never said it was 5m/s. I said that the QFIII had a reading of 5m/s AFTER they readjust the wind gauge which was in an evident, wrong spot, as suggested in this video also (0.0 reading in a windy afternoon where the triple jump had readings up to 6 m/s, and the QFIII had 5m/s??) 3) you are getting your own self confused with the wind and FloJos times. FloJos best legals times are 10.61 and 10.62 and both were wind aided +1.2m/s and +1m/s. And your conversion is speculative, she DID run with strong tailwind of 3m/s and got a 10.54 in the final. She was a 10.60 runner (with wind of 1/1.2 m/s) which is AMAZING and ahead of its time, just not 10.49.

🤣 "hurricane force winds"

9.57!

The head of the Olympic drug administration said it himself that 80% of the athletes were doping around that time. There's no mysteries to why no one has broken that record yet, if athletes are supposed to be getting faster.

@@kozmeetorez When Evelyn Ashford ran that German women down in the last leg of the 4 x100 relay, it came out that those Germans were doping . So it is possible that everyone was , or the US were training better ?? if you watch that relay on YOu tube 🤣Evelyn was BEHIND the german and smoked her out 🤣

@@kozmeetorezshe was definitely doping

Not without proper context. I ran track for years and my mother was a track coach/former track star who trained sprinters in the 100 and 200 specifically.. I say all that to say.. nobody on planet earth is dropping a full .5 seconds off their time in the 100 that late into their career. ESPECIALLY a woman. They age out of their athletic prime quicker than men so to see her fluctuate .10 seconds from 11.06 to 10.96 for her entire career and then run a 10.49 is pretty much impossible. You can only reduce your time so much in such a short race. It makes more sense to say she was doping than she wasn’t.

@@Itsxmusic flo jo her autopsy showed zero signs of it and they tested her for everything.

It don't matter what you think! 😂😂😂

@@stephenwilliams7200 It are not?

Agreed

I think Shelly Ann price definitely juicing 😂

@@ericstroud8189 Maybe oranges.

It already has an asterisk.

Same. I was doing regular 9.4s at 18, but chronic athlete's foot forced me to quit. If it wasn't for that, we'd all be asking "Usain who?".

@@lew115 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 I hear that! 😂☺️👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Was in the 8's

@@jamespeter86 That's crazy!

Just so I understand, you ran 6 100m sprints and averaged 10.39? Six? All under 10.4? And all within .02 seconds? You ran track almost your entire life. You were faster than every girl (and every boy unless you were going to school with world class sprinters) Your coach had you run 6 times to ensure he was seeing it right, so I assume that was first time you ran in front of him? It sounds like you participated in a lot of track meets or at least a couple, if you ran track almost your entire life. What were your times in those meets? You have an amazing story.

Exactly! Why does it matter what the reading was? She was the fastest woman, PERIOD!

It was wind aided therefor shouldn’t exist and she was on roids…. Get over it and watch this video evidence of it

@creoletatted8790 There is absolutely no valid evidence of neither wind nor roids. If anything today's Fraser is so obviously roided, going back after pregnancy and at her age going from a normal sprinter to suddenly become a multi medalist

@@Mimi-mo9np look at the distance between her and everyone else and look at her flawless technique. She was and still is the golden reference for a sprinter, simply amazing

@@andreamantovani5354 did you watch the video???? It read no wind but you can literally see all of the flags blowing like it was a damn hurricane lmaooo Then right after the race you can see the damn commentator shirt and collar blowing up from the strong wind 😂 But the wind meter read ZERO wind???? Where’s your common sense? You also had sprinters ran personal best times that race ironically lmao Then after she broke the record bc of the high wind and and lack of steroid testing she IRONICALLY retired bc the very next year steroid testing was finally being utilized lmaooo Why is there so many coincidences and irony’s?? Her ex husband even came out saying she was roided… an ex sprinter came out on her as well! She died from a heart attack at a young age in tip top shape? Roid usage!

21.41 now. She definitely has a good chance of beating it with the right conditions.

she needs some help you know what i mean@@BadBrucey

@@simonepedron9299 😝she really does

It seems quite possible now. The main thing is staying totally healthy when you're placing such intense stress on the body.

Greatest cheater.

She has the most perfect running form ever

Imagine Elaine with a perfect race filled to the gills with steroids and a 5+ m/s tailwind…

Nobody cares, Elaine is a slow turtle now. I don’t want to hear her name again.

Um she was pretty muscled too

JJK is Jackie joiner Kersey.. I’m confused

Comments like this irritate me. Admire her form all you want, but it wasn't winning her races or breaking records UNTIL a specific six month period around 88. Like, come on man. This hero worshipers revolting.

Another video I think said her time was probably more like 10.8.

That's not really how it works. Look at the women's field event world records and compare it to modern day performance.

@@TheOriginalGankstar Not the point I was making.

@@firelordplayz "most likely a lot less potent than any of today's legal stuff" - this is not the case. Nothing legal today can match the potency of the effective illegal drugs of that era. The most stark evidence of this is found in the women's field events.

You are incorrect, mainly because anabolic steroids could not be detected until 89. And this kind of doping especially helps women who can grow men-like muscle and bone structure in a limited time. It is like antibiotics in medicine, once in a lifetime invention. Once anabolic steroids were banned, it was hard to match that level of advantage.

Unlike flojo, Pryce has been consistently running fast times throughout her entire career, running multiple times below 10.9, and there have been multiple cases in her career where she could've run 10.6, but the wind was always against her An example can be when she won in 2013 running 10.72 in a negative wind She was always on that breaking point of finally running 10.6

That happened in the 2024 male 100m as well. Doesn’t say much

@@explorertoad8882 they got PBs by 0.01 or 0.02 seconds in an Olympic final where their adrenaline would have been peak. This is the quarter finals of trial and as explained in the video there were multiple bests by way bigger margins

😂😂. Go to bed