Hello Everyone, a lot of questions were posed, some with answers, some without. On this video I try to explain why the right questions are not one that relate to plot devices, because whenever we go into one, like deeper into it we are going to end up having fillers and also we are going to end up complaining about how some detail of the detail was not explained. I also discuss why there was no better ending, yes you might be right, another ending might have been appealing for fans of one character or another, or appealing from your own perspective, in terms of your personal beliefs, but this is not your story, you are not writing it, there are multiple messages, more than the ones I mention on this video and they are what the writers aim at delivering. Just trying to bring some realism to the table here. Thanks to *Lisha KJ* for her comment, it was the most consolidated comment with the most consolidated questions, mostly thought provoking, even though I kind of asked the same as I watched. Apologize for mispronouncing your name early on, put it down in my notes with a double “e” that is why and then realized half way through remembering it being with an “i”. Finally, there are the answers to all the questions many have asked in the comments, and I am going to add one piece here that I seem to have forgotten to mention, being right about something does not mean you are good in general, the End should never justify the Shitty Means.
I know we got off on the wrong foot in a previous video, but I have to say, awesome job on this video and wrapping things up so nicely. That being said, I think Clarkes punishment will go further than just not being able to transcend, I see Jordan and Hope together, Octavia and Levitt, etc, but it looks like she wont have the chance to feel in love again thus she will always have that emptiness & probably regret for the rest of her days and for those of us with ptsd and anxiety which I imagine she will be left with, that is going to probably be her own personal hell. Also, I think about Madi and as you said, not being able to see her again, watch her grow, will be a long term sorrow of Clarkes even if she does understand that Madi's reasoning for not returning was correct. All in all, I think it was a bittersweet ending to it all. Thanks for all your videos and sorry again for getting off on the wrong foot before. 💯🖤✌
I don't think anyone has claimed this as "their own story". I for one accept this as someone else's story but all I am saying is that it ended poorly for someone who has been a fan from the beginning. Period.
Finished the series yesterday and my only concern is that mankind willingly chose to leave their bodies and send their minds to a place created by a species where there would be no pain and no death, and everyone was fine with that. Rewind a couple seasons and you get exactly the same arguments for entering the city of light, and it was seen as a totally unnaceptable thing.
Your point is still valid in the end there really wasn’t a choice I was transcend or die alone. I mean think about it the entire last season they’re going against the last War and transcendence they even kill Bellamy over it. And then, in the very last episode everybody seems to want to and chooses to transcend. It’s just wrong in the entire transcendence and then was a mistake for the message they wanted to provide. It’s just a shitty way of doing it.. my true ending that I wish to believe which is also true is that the entire series is the human race going extinct. :0
@@bunnypr7135 it’s counterintuitive lol. They all go to extremes trying to survive post apocalypse and all of a sudden end up getting judged by beings not even human.
Raven seeing Abby at the test I think it brought back full-circle what Abby said in the first season when she was talking to Kane. Kane said “ I want the human race to survive “ Abby replied “ I want to make sure the human race deserves to survive “
I think becca saw the judge and asked not to be tested yet because she knew the human race wasn’t ready yet that’s why she was scared when she came back through the bridge saying we are not ready
The most beautiful thing was Murphy's story arc in season 7. He went from rebellious survivor to a responsible imposter who was willing to save the faithful Sanctum folks who were never part of his tribe to begin with. Being an imposter and talking his way out was his special talent after all. Showing care towards people beyond your inner circle was moral of the story, a contrast to Clarke.
For most seasons, if there was an option to save everyone Clark would try for it, like mount whether before Lexa’s betrayal (season 2), or the night blood solution, before the Azgadian king and Abbie’s betrayal (season 4). Of course motherhood narrowed Clark’s priority’s later. Even than she saved as many people in Sanctum (season 6) as she could.
Murphy and Octavia imo are the only characters with a coherent and cohesive evolution throughout all 7 seasons and are two of the only chararcters who actually had a good story and ending in season 7.
One of the things that truly killed me about this season finale is that they imply there’s no afterlife. We have spent a lot of time hearing “may we meet again”, but the truth is our characters won’t ever get that. I especially get sad when I think about Lincoln’s death scene, him kneeling in the mud and wishing in Trig that “may [he and octavia] meet again”. That will never happen now, and it makes me sad. Clarke will never see her mom and dad, and Wells, and Finn, and of course Lexa. It’s ultimately life without hope.
Yeah I agree all that built up to may we meet again then not too? Makes you question it. I did not mind the ending but it should have and could have been better
The big misconception amongst the fandom is that transcendence is like death or the afterlife. Nope. Basically the humans transformed into aliens that are immortal. Afterlife is still a possibility for humans which is probably why the dead cannot transcend because their souls are already in the afterlife. The transcended aliens do not need afterlife because they live forever.
I'm so conflicted, I enjoyed watching the finale, but I really don't like the transcending & basically ending of human life, I thought it would have been perfect for a restart on earth, where everyone works together and is powered by love for everyone & not just the people you class as friends/family
It is not the end of the human race, rather it is the next step in human evolution. The term « transcendence » may be misleading, it has no religious meaning: it is not heaven or hell. It refers to another state of being, a passage in evolution. I like the theory of the « Great filter » as an hypothesis to the Fermi paradox that some members of this community mentioned. The Fermi paradox is the question « how come we haven’t met other extraterrestrial intelligent life forms yet? », since statiscally the universe has had high probability of generating other civilizations before our own.
A restart would have been the worst thing. I mean it means all of this was for nothing and even if you restarted people would still find reasons to fight and kill one another.
@usernameisunecessarily longyouprobablyreadallofthis they are back on earth not fighting. Remember they all transcended then they had a choice to go back to earth. So they would all realise there more going on. My biggest issue is the ending of humanity & not being able to have children
Bellamy dying was still one of the stupidest things ive seen since GOT s8, didnt accomplish anything and was completely unnecessary and he wasnt even wrong.
I know right! It didn't even save Madi! If he hadn't died everything would have played out exactly the same and if he had to die then they should have made it more meaningful! I didn't even believe he really died at first so I didn't cry and I barely felt sad but when the last episode ended it really hit me. When I look back at the series I feel sad and like it was all for nothing when before the seventh season I looked back and saw my favorite show that I loved.
Most killing is senseless. Clarke killed Bellamy because of her fear and his belief. The show stopped romanticizing killing and started telling viewers that there is no grand death scene when the killing is senseless. Even though he was one of the most beloved characters, his senseless, non-climactic death shows us that murder isn’t grand. It isn’t romantic. And it absolutely paved the way for end storyline to come to fruition.
That moment was among the top3 for me in the series. Bellamy had it coming ever since the massacre of grounders that were sent to protect skykru. He should've died with Pike. I liked the series overall, great story, great ideas, but the sheer stupidity of characters made me question a couple times, why am I still watching. Then I realized that those utterly blatant actions are used to move the plot forward, and made my peace with it, kinda. But still, probably Murphy was the most reasonable and likeable from the group that got to see the end, which tells a lot about the rest, lol. I get why ladies love Bellamy, but other than that, he was a piece of crap half the time.
They should've had the actor do a scene for the finale during his final episode. Maybe just a scene that showed him in a coma then his body transcends. Bellamy and his fans deserved better!
I'm actually pretty annoyed that Clarke really never changed throughout everything. It seemed like she went from one bad decision to the next with little bursts of doing something good.
I can see the religious allegory in Clarke being a Moses type figure whose imperfections as a leader ultimately denied her entrance into the promised land. As for Bellamy, I believe he would have been written differently and ended up on that beach had the actor Bob Morley not requested time away from the show. His character could have fought for humanity’s transcendence & be satisfied we made it as a species. The writers did the best they could with his time.
Yes, you’re right. JRoth actually said that Bellamy was supposed to be in the finale...not sure if he would have been on the beach....but here’s the link to that interview: screenrant.com/100-show-series-finale-bellamy-blake-cut-explained/
Not sure I see the Moses connection but I do see a connection to Buddhism as far as transcendence goes and the connection to the Tibetan Book of the dead (Bardo Thodol).
NiightDJ Monty killed his mother in real life (when she was controlled by the Alie chip) and in the City of Light, when he helped Raven kill the program.
But killing AT ALL is what makes you fail the test. The human race only transcended when every last human alive had stopped fighting. (This never happened before due to the different groups of humans previously being on different parts of the galaxy)
im a little miffed cause the reclaiming of earth means they just had to wait in cryo 100 years longer and none of this would have happened.... they only went to sanctum cause they thought the earth would never recover.
I think when Lexa said "you are a curious race" she meant that they were strange and unlike any other creature she's created, not that they were literally curious creatures.
I really feel like I’m missing the last piece of the story. I NEEDED to see ‘the other side’ ! how can Madi find love as a beam of light... with other beams of light? The fact we didn’t even get a peak pisses me off. All the other plot holes I can forgive but that ending only showing the living upset me.
The concept of heaven or transcendence is a very personal one, and has always been tailored to ones own culture/time period/beliefs. I think by leaving it ambiguous it allows us to interpret this “heaven” of sorts. And just because they beings essence are made of light doesn’t mean they don’t have body projections (think Lexa) to interact/etc. it’s like life without pain or any needs, like a perfect video game almost. That’s my take at least, I’ve studied Buddhism pretty in depth and I see a lot of cool references.
Why should Madi find love? She is still a child. The reason she did not come back was that Clarke wouldn't like her to grow up without anyone her age around.
I'm 50/50 with that notion. The Alexa avatar said she's part of their consciousness which made me thing of The City of Light. Theoretically in a set up like that Madi to fall in love and all that. However, if there's never any pain then does that mean she can't experience heartache either? Like the first person she falls in love with is it? They'll never break up or anything? Forever is a long time. Can they have children in this other place? If so, does that mean that childbirth doesn't hut because of the no pain thing? At the same time, it's nice for it to be left open to interpretation. I think that allows all peoples regardless of religion or creed to imagine the best scenario.
They knew that 7 was the last going into 5, I don't think it was too rushed, I think it was supposed to feel a little rushed, like in a "our life could end at any moment" kind of way
I don't think it was rushed, the final episode actually and I found that surprising felt like it was 90 minutes, even though it was 45, packed, but packed smart.
@@WhattheGeek They spent more than half a season on a boring and irrelevant side story we, barely saw the main cast. Considering they had 16 episodes to work with this season was far from great. The ending was decent, it left me satisfied but also left me with much left to desire.
Russel / Shadeheda was really good this season. I thought his character as russel prime was quite weak and boring, and didnt think much of the actor because of this, but that all changed when I saw what a great job he did playing shadeheda
I think he was good in both roles, as a matter of fact starting as one and ending as another and delivering to completely different performances in quite the strong fashion was quite epic.
@@WhattheGeek I agree he did great, which I expect from him. I didn't like Russell's writing all that much, though, and felt like Sheidheda could have used a bit more fleshing out.
@@WhattheGeek This is exactly it. The actor was given particular roles to play; I wonder if he knew ahead of time that he'd be put in the role of Sheidheda and molded Russell specifically to be so much different. Either way, I think the reactions to each character was quite significant because of how masterfully he embodied each character.
It feels weird how the ending pivots away from the show's overall theme which has been doing whatever is necessary to protect the ones you love and the hope of a better future. While I do feel that yes Clarke can be punished for what she has done it just feels bitter to know that mankind will be gone and that eventually Clarke or one of her friends might die alone.
I used to be very sad and feel sorry for Clarke because she was judged guilty and sentenced to live alone. But now I see it differently. Apparently the transcendent race also has its own rules. If when transcending human consciousness is enhanced and there is no more war and evil, then I think there is no need for laws. Laws appear only when there is disagreement between individuals and a tool is needed to regulate behavior according to the will of the ruling class as well as to enforce its implementation. If Clarke transcends, I guess there will be another battle of hers to save humanity 🤣. I think transcendental people are afraid of that too. My conspiracy theory is that being superior is not necessarily easy to exterminate a species. Otherwise they would have exterminated humanity as soon as Clarke failed. They did not want to be the enemy of mankind and entered a war that was not certain to win, so they accepted to accept humans into assimilation of humans. They have the technology to make all humans become like them but they can't let the humans come back, if they go back, humans won't be able to reproduce because they're afraid of losing their technology or being retaliated against.
@@Nguoidung199yes I think the higher beings were afraid of Clarke because they were the only ones with the wisdom for not underestimate Clarke cos is a bad idea mess with the powerful Oneheda
After all the madness of the last 7 seasons, the finale boils down to the trials and tribulations of the human race as a whole. It's ironic because if we as a human race were to stand up and take the test of transcendence right now, we would probably fail.
We would fail because we are all separated by nations and race i stead of looking at the fact that we are all actually one species and should work together instead of separately with no ruler. Rulers cause separations.
Dr Dre I agree 100%. Modern humans are too engrossed in war, ethnic, cultural & country affiliations to see ourselves primarily as one human race. The test is for the whole species & we’d probably fail.
We would fail because the majority of us hate more than they love, and yes world leaders would probably try to make a deal to be the only one to transcend without their people, LOL.
I know it’s been a long time…but it’s quite funny and sad that the first person Clark blurred out in the finally was Murphy. Like I just started crying cause from season one No body needed Murphy. They treated him wrong, they never needed his help until the last min for him to do something dangerous and etc. but the min Clark had done the deed. The first name she called out was Murphy. The person she hugged in the final season was Murphy. This makes me consider that all along Murphy was an important character from the very beginning 🧡
I was a little irked about her having to be alone. Sure she killed Gadagan, but she had killed lots of people before. She killed him to stop him from talking the test and dooming everyone. She had no way of knowing that the test can't be stopped once it was started. Even still, that being didn't like someone murdering someone right in front of their face (understandable), but they could have just punished Clarke for a period of time and then let her transcend. Like she said, she not the only sinner among them. Then no one would've had to choose Clarke over eternal life.
I wonder if that would extend to not killing the other species on earth, the animals kill each other and thus will never transcend but nearly the whole of humanity has transcended
THIS IS LONG BUT HEAR ME OUT!! Everything went wrong when they decided to to destroy the FLAME. Bill have to find another way to open the portal. Clarke didn't have to kill Bellamy, Gabriel didn't have to protect Madi, Madi didn't have to sacrifice herself. I really think that by destroying the flame they destroyed the illusion for the prequel. All commanders were destroyed, when they should have transcended. The eternal flame was what united the stories and kept us tied to the plot. The FLAME is supposedly ETERNAL. The FLAME was what united the stories and kept us tied to the plot. I really think that by destroying the flame they destroyed the illusion for the prequel. All commanders were destroyed, when they should have transcended just like Emori/Murphy. The body may die but as long as the conciousness/mind is alive they could transcend right? The fact that the FLAME is the last tech Becca had invented, it is more advance than Primes' Mind Drives because it could hold and save multiple conciousness without killing the host. LEXA, the REAL LEXA would have transcended and choose to return for Clarke. Alycia already agreed to return, they should use that opportunity to give the fans what they want, after four years of mourning because of Lexa's tragic death. Having Lexa, Bellamy, Madi alive is enough to give everyone a happy ending. PS I don't know if I am still interested for the Prequel now that I know the previous commanders will just die in the end.
The prequel is what happened before, not what happens after, so the flame will exist there. Not sure if the end of a civilization IRL would make me not care about the history of said civilization for example. Get my point?
@@WhattheGeek For you maybe, but for us yes. What happened in the end still matters, the FLAME IS supposedly ETERNAL. They should have stick to that ideal until the end but they didn't. They decided to blow it up. The one thing that tied everything in the past seasons. Madi even mention that the commanders are real not just ghost or memory. They are LIVING MINDS inside the FLAME. Becca, Lexa, and the other commanders ALIVE. Becca even mentioned in the Prequel that THE FLAME WITH THE RIGHT MIND will SAVE THE WORLD. Another mistake in the end. Now Callie's MISSION to find the right will be in vain because the one who saved the world isn't a nightblood nor a commander. Now the two siblings will fight each other for THE FLAME, only to find out that Bill will use and *almost* kill a child in order to get the code. Get my point, Geek?
THE FLAME IS ETERNAL is the belief system that the grounders had created around it. Doesn't mean it was so. It could be destroyed after all and it was manmade. 2. Yes Becca and the other mind drives creators had wanted to live forever and that was why they created the drives in the first place but we don't always get what we want. Besides their methods were wrong. They had wanted to do this to the exclusion and at the expense of others, ordinary human beings, only to end up not transcending. But guess who did? 3. The flame did play its role in preserving the information that was needed to bring about the transcendence of ALL so in a way it was eternal. 4. Sorry it wasn't a happy ending for our main characters, debatable, but it was kind of so for all mankind seeing as that was the main reason for them being on the Arc in the first place, to preserve the human race. 5. I am personally looking forward to the prequel as it would explain how Becca and Cardogan got their motivation. No doubt from those superior beings in the way that they motivated Bellamy. Can't wait.
@@stellaiyimoga2878 FLAME IS ETERNAL is not only grounders belief. It's the tagline of the SHOW itself, Jason and the cast. The symbol of infinity doesn't make sense. The flame tied us from the early episode until now. Thus, the commanders(conciousness) inside the flame are ALIVE. BECCA, LEXA and other commanders. It's jot just "belief."
There should not be any portal stories at all, the series was based on the afterlife of war on earth which at the end after 97 years is habitial again. When the bomb wiped out the small land they think 10 years and back again but ended up woke up after 125 years they should have went back to earth as its more habital apprently.
The most upsetting thing to me was that the story line of the show was the survival of the human race and in the end they told us that the human race on earth would no longer exist after these characters died. A bit hypocritical to me
First 5 seasons were the best, then all of the sudden it started bringing in alien artifacts. The last episode of the being on earth doing a rebuild timelapse of 100 years would have been good.
They left it open. Transcendence is a choice. Could be after the credits rolled the whole human race comes back.. and in gratitude for them learning so much from humans their ability to reproduce is restored. Just saying. It was an open ending.
I just realized when Bellamy was on Etherea (sp?) planet, that planet is set in the future. Everyone had already transcended and that is why he saw the golden silhouettes and an image of Bill and his mother as the judge.
I've realized the last 7 years with this show people that watch it don't actually pay attention and will ask questions that were answered in the very scene they are questioning
I was not sure about them building shelter at the beach in the end, they can travel with the stones from bardo(bardo has ramen!) to sanctum and earth...so they have unlimited resources housing seems like a lot of fun at the end :)
It was most likely for “dramatic ending” storytelling/plot purposes having them be on the beach. You know....”In peace may you leave this SHORE.......until our final journey to the GROUND....”
My unanswered questions; 1) How did the Anomaly Stone/Portal make Octavia’s hand so old, and why didn’t that happen again? 2) What is Earth’s time dilation? 3) What happened to Elegies 3? As in, the ship and their crew mates? 4) Will we learn what happened to the Bardoans and the Eretheans? And what their race is actually called? (Unless Humans are Earthlings to them) 5) If Russel killed most of his group, how did Sanctums Population grow exponentially to what it was in Season 6?
1. Actually she got cured, probably a cure caused somehow by the move from one place to another and the time dilation, that was never clearly explained. 2. Earth = Sanctum Time. 3. The ship itself was never an important piece of the story beyond delivering people to Sanctum, again one of those things that is a plot device that I ignore and don't try to ask questions that would lead to more questions. 4. We know what happened to the Bardoans, not sure there were Ethereans to start with. 5. Answered by Ikran.
1. Because only her hand went to the other planet and when her hand went back to sanctum it had been many years past. Now it doesn’t make sense for like 50+ years to past in only a few seconds on sanctum but whatever.
I want to thank you for weekly work with this tv series that i have been watching and rewatching for 6 years, this jurney wouldn't have been so fun without your videos. Its really been a pleasure to have spent the waiting weeks just guessing what came next. Hope still catch other series that we can relate. Keep the good work! 👍🏼 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Glad you enjoy it! Gonna be doing more series as they come, ones that interest me. Also doing a rewatch of the 100 so will post videos regularly with my newly found perspective.
Lol when Clarke was shooting Cadogan in the back, I keep thinking back to when Clarke was admonishing Charlotte for killing Wells in season 1, "YOU CANT KILL SOMEBODY JUST TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER!" lol
@@jackyha9445 that is a different thing. Clarke killed Cadogan because of what he did to Madi. Charlotte killed Wells despite the fact that he hadn't done anything to her. It had been his father.
This was easily one of my favorite netflix series and I'm sad it's the last season. I wanna watch it over, but I have re watching shows i already watched. Clarke was easily my favorite character and she'll never be forgotten. I felt the tears coming out after finishing the show. " may we see you again ". I BEG they add one more season 🙏🏽🙏🏽
"Transcendence" should've just been humans being returned to Earth, except there is no violence, only love. And maybe just revive everyone who had died up until that point or something like that
in my opinion the whole season builts you a hipe for the ending and the finale let you down a bit.. they could deal with some stuff in a different way..
The problem is all of you guys want the ending you want, you do not want the perspective of the storyteller, which is just a no no, because you are not the storyteller. Now go watch it again while reminding yourself, "I am not telling the story, they are, I need to see their point, not mine" :P
@@WhattheGeek I'm not against the ending in case of storytelling.. Ofc it's their storytelling not mine.😅 What I'm trying to say is that it was a bit poor compared to previous finales for example that's what I'm saying with " could deal with some stuff in a different way" the graphics of the scenes, I'm cooperating with Tv series in my country at the moment and i can see some of em 😅
That is true, the finale was always meant to be the 100th episode, that is why they went back to the 16 episode model, The 100 a 100 episodes and also shows with a 100+ episodes have a greater chance at syndication so also a sound business decisions for WBTV and the CW.
"may we meet again" is a coping mechanism for dealing with losses and not to grief and get distracted by the death of anyone. We all know that they will never meet again with the dead, but they had hope, back when life was simpler
Probably Reese, however that is a question for the prequel, I did not think anyone thought that would be answered here, those are just prequel teasers/Easter Eggs.
really appreciate your insight, I would have liked to see more than just one higher being, it would have been cool if it was a council of judges instead of just one. Then they might have been able to show more role models to clarke like her father, or jasper.
It was a sweet ending. They chose to give up immortality so that Clarke wouldn't be alone. It is kind of sad in a way though because one of them will be the last alive and will have to live for some period of time alone since there are no offspring. Knowing how tough Clarke is she would probably be the last one and end up alone anyways. :(
I'd like to think at some point when they got old, they'd all pull a Jasper, what he did before 2nd apocalypse with the Jobi nuts. No one has to be the last one. :)
I think that not everyone decided not to transcend to stay with Clarke, not everyone had the same bonds with her. I think the one who decided first was Raven and Octavia, after that Echo and Emori decided to follow her, and then Murphy, Levitt and so on. Thanks for your dedications and your good content!!! I really love the final, a little bit fictional and illogical in some way but I’m really happy with the final product. Greetings from Colombia 🇨🇴!!!
@@WhattheGeek I think Levitt would have chosen for Octavia so he could have a life with her (connection to their short convo about extinction “I would have liked to live a little first”)
@J. S T i like your take on this. Sooo many unanswered questions like why and how did Bellamy see the shepard in a vision.... like the guy had superpowers.
I appreciate the discourse on bellamys death bring objective HOWEVER the writers and more specifically the creator decision to kill Bellamy was COMPLETELY subjective towards the actor who plays Bellamy...
Actually it was based on the fact they had to work Bellamy in, force work him because he wanted a break and they had to write him out and write him in again later in the season and still give him an arc, so it was not.
@@ACTIONSALAD just checked wikipedia- I don't think he's in umbrella. I just watched Umbrella before starting the 100. I think this could be the answer: "In early 2020, Morley and Taylor revealed that they had had a miscarriage while filming the final season of The 100."(wikipedia) - Amazing that Eliza could continue!
I really loved the finale. There were a bunch of holes in the final season, but the final episode was epic! The Polaris thing during Ravens part of the test makes me twitchy though; and now there’s talk on Reddit that it wasn’t Polaris, just a part of the ark we never noticed before? ...After the fact, I realized Raven wasn’t shipped with anyone, and she doesn’t deserve a lifetime without that kind of love 😢 Gaia and Indra too I guess, but Raven especially. My inner 12 year old girl is very upset about Ravens relationship status 😅
I noticed all the single people too. Nyla and Echo are also single. It didn't make sense for some of them to come back to Earth. Emori and John wanted to live forever together and could have if they didn't come back. And, is Nyla even friends with any of them? Why would she choose to live on Earth? Maybe she was following Octavia. Who knows?
Christina Fred Nyla and Clarke have been dating casually for years. Since Clarke was hiding from the title WanHeda w/ the red hair. Plus she was really tight with the Red Queen, octavia. Echo didn’t bother me as much as Raven for some reason.
Mari Huffman there’s a point in the finale, before you see ravens face or her talk with Aby that it looks like the ark with Polaris attached to it. But now some people on Reddit are saying it’s not Polaris, so I’m not really sure
Homie post the stillframe of Bellamy at his most hopeless and desperate, and slapped "HIT THAT BELL" underneath like a subtitle and I just now stopped rolling
At the last finale scene before the credits, did you guys notice Clarke drawing something???. Not everyone saw that, but It's from the pilot season ep 1. Clarke drawing a mural in her jail cell, thinking about earth go re watch it. It's kind of a full circle bittersweet.
I think murphys vision of hell was basically plot development, you notice after that he is not just a survivor thats really the turning point in his story where he goes on to become a hero.
What about Bellamy not losing his memory when he came back from ethera? That was one of the biggest reasons people thought his trip might’ve been a fake simulation. Times slower on bardo so he should’ve lost it. Maybe just a plot hole?
Can u do a video on ethera The golden statues he saw, were they transcended ppl, and did bellamy meet the higher beings in form of his mother who he loved the most
@@lostinspace1036 Yeah, if we are talking about evolution here, there could be a whole new species to evolve after humans on earth/ in the "stone system". Like there were intelligent species before humans, and will be after humans. My theory is that the stones were created by the "beings" and are placed in "systems" across the universe
@@averyschlicher758 I'd say it's pretty clear that the stones have been placed in planets where life is viable specifically, perhaps across millions or billions of years, in order to test every sentient life form once they become advanced enough to translate them. The odd thing is, though, we still have no real reason as to why they commit genocide on such a mass scale. If it's fear they'd wreak havoc within the universe, then surely it would be better to cause a mass extinction type event that moves them back eras, so that maybe next time they'd be ready.
I am pretty certain still a simulation was at play with at least the Cadogan bit, this Cadogan thing makes Cadogan seem like a God or something which I refuse to accept.
I understand ur point but what people seem to forget is that this ending is implying that there is absolutely no afterlife at all in the way we are used to(going to heaven or hell after death or simply being reunited with dead loved ones...ect) only the living at the time of transcendence can transcend and potentially live forever after human life, that is the key difference from what almost all religions told us and it is what we have to keep in mind to fully understand this transcendence concept.
Same, it just seems so dry and unhappy. I don't want to live forever. One of the things everyone can count on is death, that something everyone can strive for is to die old and look back at a long happy life. It just doesn't seem right, transcendence, I wish the series lasted just a little longer so that the ones who came back could explain what it was like.
sorry but I hated how this whole season basically just had magic instead of advanced technology. Yes, it was passed off as technology but it was basically magic. Also this is an unpopular opinion, but Lexa was sooooo fan service. If its the person you love the most, or even your greatest failure it should have been Madi, Bellamy, or Abby for Clarke. She loved and cared about all of them and she thought she failed them all which lead to their deaths. I honestly think Jake would have even been above Lexa. She knew Lexa for like a year and most of the time she was angry at Lexa for her choice at Mt. Weather.
I did not care for Lexa appearing or not, I cared for what it meant to Clarke. Also Callie did not say it has to be your greatest failure, she said love, failure, or teacher, the "OR" being operative here, so honestly I am not sure if the complaint is warranted. Also being angry does not mean you do not love a person, so again not sure that proves anything. The season was mostly about tech, the other part is mean to be more symbolic to send a message. I am personally fine with it, as I always state it is not my story, it is the writers' and they wanna send the message they wanna send, if they deliver it right I am fine. But again your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.
I think Lexa makes sense from the teacher standpoint. She learned a lot from her on the show that we could see and most likely more from having the flame in her head.
Just finished the finale last night and my head is a mess. I loved the series, but we spent the whole time thinking everyone would meet again but then in the last season everyone kind of went against that with the transcending thing. They wanted a second chance the make the human race right but they end it instead. I don’t know if I’ll ever understand haha 😕
I was hoping everyone went back to earth and rebuild but ending the human race come on it makes me sad that they decided to spend their life on earth that they can't have kids..I mean what happens when they get old no one be their to take care of them.. and it be end of human race
@@lofiDigitalArt2 I think they wanted us to feel as if they were going to be the last species of the human race but a lot of what they did in season 7 went against everything they did before. There was no mention of transcendence until season 7 tho to me it felt like it was rushed
I think this finale was great and fulfilling. All of Clarke's friends choosing to stay with her than transcending was so heartwarming, knowing they owe her so much. But what do you mean they can't make offsprings?
@@caborabassa696 they won't transcend when they die either remember at the end lexa said there won't be ofspring and when they die they won't be joining us but none of them seemed to care so when they die that's it they just die.
@@caborabassa696 They won't transcend; they chose to come back. They'll die like anyone else. And they were seemingly sterilised on their return. Odd choice, tbh.
I have a random question concerning transcendence. “Lexa” stated that the dead do not ascend, but Emori did in the end. Since the show has established that each person has a consciousness code, I’m assuming such a code must be needed for the test givers to upload the consciousness codes of the living into their “transcended” collective mind. So if Emori’s physical body was dead, but her code was “alive” and she transcended, does that mean someone like Gabriel transcended as well? Gabriel died with a working mind drive still in his head so his consciousness code is still active inside the drive and living in his mind space. I would then ask the same of Ryker Prime (since we never saw his drive destroyed), Kane (floated but still on the mind drive), Simone Prime, Miranda Prime, Jasmine Prime, and Caleb Prime. Although they were floated and their physical bodies killed, their codes are still “alive” inside their drives. Does this mean they would transcend as well?? This has been a question of mine since they said the dead could not, but Emori did although her consciousness was still alive. I would think this same logic would apply to the other dead individuals that still have their entire consciousness codes inside intact mind drives. Otherwise, Clarke and her friends are not the last of humanity bc the ones I mentioned above would be stuck in their mind space either in the ground or floating through the cosmos forever. I would hate that to be the case, especially for Gabriel.
This was also confusing for me..But I dont think Gabriel was there at the end & he was ready to die. So I'd think if he had the opportunity he would come back with the rest.. Maybe the consciousness needs to be in a live body for someone to be able to transcend. Emoris consciousness was in Murphy at the time.
That’s true. Especially if Gabriel had transcended, he was still ready for death to liberate him, maybe even reunite him with Josephine. Even though I am sure he would be intrigued by the knowledge this universal mind had to offer, I agree that he would want it to end as “death is life” were his final words. However, if there was no transcendence for those on the mind drives, Echo and Hope need to get ahold of Gabriel’s drive and liberate him from it. Echo also needs to do the same for Ryker as she was the one who killed him, granted he deserved it at the time. Sadly, unless they fall into a planet or fly into a star, Kane and the other primes are in a way damned until the universe grants them mercy and their drives get destroyed.
I loved the ending but I would have loved a moment in the end where we get to see them remember their journey. Especially through the loved ones they lost like Jasper, Monty, Harper, Lincoln, Abby and Kane. But the ending was still really good. I'm so sad it's over :-(
@@WhattheGeek No I didn't mean they should have brought them back, I meant the ones who made it to the very end should've had a moment to remember all the people that died a long the way ( the ones that meant something, i.e the ones I mentioned in the first comment). Hope I've clarified :-)
It was the best ending from their point of view and a good ending from mine, that makes it a perfect ending, because I want them to tell their story, not what I think the story should be, as long as it does not have me walk away irritated.
Do you think Cadogan will be a character in the prequels? It’d be kinda cool to see more of the origin of the disciples and what they first did when they got to bardo
I think that not everyone decided not to transcend to stay with Clarke, not everyone had the same bonds with her. I think the one who decided first was Raven and Octavia, after that Echo and Emori decided to follow her, and then Murphy, Levitt and so on.
I am not sure if you are asking me or commenting on the people who state that. I believe I was objecting to the statement on the video rather than agreeing with it.
Because she was in a mind drive and in an actually human mind so it’s different. Bellamy may and died and that was it, also the actor asked for time off so that could’ve been something to do with it.
I am already, and noticing new things with everything, including details of facial expressions that I never thought of not knowing back then what would go down on the next episode and then the next and all the way to the end. Will be posting thoughts on them.
@@m.c.martin Not "fake" but like a "spirit" animal it looked like a dog because it wanted to observe how Clarke would respond to yet another test of her character. Not a test for her to pass but a test to see if she was worthy of helping was Clarke worthy of letting the others go back to spend the rest of her mortality with.
Could you do a ranking on you’re favorite to least favorite seasons? I would love to see what you thing about the other seasons since you have only done reviews on 6 and 7.
@Eric V Mine is 2,4,3,5,1,7,6 I think season 6 is just average and it's just not memorable to me except for 6x2. Season 7 has some high highs and some very low lows so for me it second last. I feel like the show I loved ended in season 5. 6 and 7 just don't feel the same. For me they are an alternate reality where the sci-fi got turned to a 10.
We need a prequel to the series we need to know more about the arc,the grounders,mount whether,the primes,cardigan and his people we want to know more about Becca 😣
Now that I’ve had time to process, I’m really satisfied with the ending :) I wonder if the people of Etherea were able to transcend! And now planets like Bardo and Alpha will have this special mystical energy to it like Etherea did with those beings that transcended that were in the cave
I think the aliens on Etherea did transcend, but that would also require there were ever aliens on Etherea to start with which we never got clear proof of.
M-CAP is not torture unless people fight against it. This is stated by hope and Levitt. It was used to treat PTSD on disciples many times. Bellamy did not want his friends to be tortured but Clarke resisted when she was placed on it. It is also not fair to say he would have predicted Cadogan needed to go so far to extract Maddies memories since that was a especial case. Even Levitt refused to partake on it. If you make a case against extracting thoughts forcibly, ok fine that is wrong but you also gotta account it is for a greater purpose since at the end more than 90% of the people transcended and did not come back. Also I really wished Raven had seen Finn instead of Abbie.
Well yes the forcing people part is the wrong part, and a lot of crimes are done in the name of the greater good, and Bill Cadogan is no greater good person, he would have doomed everyone if he was allowed to take the test, not that Clarke did any better. Even if it were about the greater good, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is not right and in fact is absolutely wrong.
Clarke shooting Bill while he was trying to speak for the human race was one of my favorite moments in the whole series. I personally hate people with a god complex, and enjoyed how she told them(the "judge") to eat shit and die basically. It's been a couple years since I watched it, but didn't Bill basically set everything in motion so he can "save" the human race, from the mess he started in the beginning?
That's something I was wondering too. before we knew that Gaia was on earth, people theorized that it had been thousands of years due to time dilation, but now, that can't be true, so idk.
Great Q&A about the finale, I loved it! I think the dog may have a symbolic purpose too at the end. his reaction toward Clarke where he show that he is just happy to see her symbolize the non-judgemental attitude of dogs toward humans(on the condition they treat them well of course) the dog dosen't care that she killed or commit a genocide, she never done any harm to him so he love and follow her unconditionnally :)
I get having a personal opinion and fine, but coming to the defense of bad story telling only leads to that type of story telling becoming normalized. I love this show so much, but objectively, this ending was bad. Like in terms of thematic consistency, pay offs, the overall message etc. From a story writer's perspective, it was riddled with flaws. People aren't just "not seeing the bigger picture"
I agree. I actually binge watched this and finished the final show this morning. The weird turn in the radiation room with Raven that leads the audience to think she has done no wrong... but indeed she had. Which, I don’t need to point out the many ways. Leaving Clark to bear the sins of everyone else was a boring move on the writers part. I was curious about the flash of Clark drawing on the beach. Almost like it was an easy out to say “it was all a dream” but then it flashed back to the beach. How weird. So they took a lot of lazy“outs” on the ending. I do like how the 7th season explained so much, but the last episodes left me disappointed that I wasted that much time on the series. In actuality the flaw at the end shows the lack of forgiveness that keeps wars and pain going.
And that proves what? Also the choice to take the test was mankind's or well the person who represents them. Once it started they cannot choose to stop it. I don't think I ever said anyone but Cadogan chose to take the test.
One of my favourite shows until the last season. I can’t wait to watch it over again sometime but at the same time I’m so conflicted about the ending and final season I don’t know if I want to again lmao
TBH, I actually liked the ending..I was expecting timetravel or a simulation which I wasn't looking forward to. So the transcending wasn't bad. Raven, Octavia & Murphy being the heros at the end & everything not being about Clarke made the ending really enjoyable for me
Well, such is the nature of a story about pushing survival pressures to its limits: Either you end the story with extinction, making some believe the survival fight was for nothing (spoiler: perhaps it was about coming to this conclusion that breaking out of the pointless cycle is the goal?); or you restart the cycle, with the likely expectation that it will never end. That’s what would have happened if they had ended the show after season 5. The latter would have made more sense plot-wise, because the last two seasons were a big mess of contrivances. However, ending after season 5, with the discovery of a new planet, would merely have felt like a conclusion. Because chances are, the survivors would have behaved the same way on the new planet as they did on Earth. And once you’ve watched season 6 and 7, you know that’s precisely what they did.
I still wonder why Becca didn't just calmy explain to Cadogen what she had learned when she went through and rejected the test. Why did she have to freak out like a crazy person and get herself killed. Did something happen to her when going through cause I don't recall anything, Unless I missed the explanation?
because becca knew that he would try n go back and take it right then . Cadogan himself said that back then they weren't ready but they are ready now . Becca was willing to risk her life to in high sense , save humanity . By never giving him the code or telling what she saw she would have and did stop him from ever opening the portal . humanity would have kept living normal lives, having kids, love, death, etc. they would never transcend but they would also never face a gem 9 extinction. had she told him ? humanity would have died right then . no 100
@@knomocognac Yea true her not telling cad is smart. But at the same time she didn't have to completely freak out. Lol she could have been more calmer and secretive about it then and worked with callie to destroy it or figure out another way of not letting him get the code. instead of going crazy and causing a scene. idk lol i gota rewatch it again sometime.
Becca knew that humanity wasn’t ready because it had just blown up in the first prime fire, I think she panicked at the thought of the test being taken and humanity failing
I am guessing what she could have seen in there to make her freak out is not one judge but the entirety of humanity, well the ones ALIE killed anyway and she felt guilty about. That would be freaky shit, if you already feel guilty AF over it.
Thank you for making this. I did go back and watch the last 2 episodes and noticed that Emori & Niylah were on the beach at the end. I missed it the first time.
1.Was Jasper right or wrong? 2. For Clarke shouldn’t Bellamy, Finn ,Jasper , monty take her test because they were basically killed because of her and they were one of her closest friends and I think it would have made a lot more sense that way because all of them were with her at her weakest moments 3. Did they do better 4. Was Bellamy right to choose the shepherd over his family (even octavia)
1. Jasper was kind of right, even Clarke knows it, why do you think she mentioned the genocide and pulling the lever without being asked about it. 2. Well it is either your greatest Love, your greatest failure or your greatest teacher. It could be 2 or 3 of these if one person can represent all, like Callie mentioned she is with Cadogan. Lexa at least checked one if not two of these boxes. 3. Yes ending that battle, Octavia having changed, Murphy having changed, Indra realizing she enabled bloodreina, Raven realizing the error of some of her ways, all of this was doing better. 4. It is never right to do the wrong thing even if for the right reasons.
I would just like to say the judge person said they can’t have offspring but they do have the embryos on Bardo technically it would be different this time as humanity would be reborn in their image but the ending is just up for imagination after the scene closes to be honest
